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Ex Inferis (m)
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@bigbrovar
stop saying IE is hardwired into windows simply because it does not give you the option to uninstall it. it is a first party app, you shouldnt expect Microsoft to just give you the power to rip it off; at least it allows you to set up your default browser same way it allows you to turn off all first party apps from their default status to use 3rd party apps. the DEFAULT PROGRAMS control panel allows you to turn off Messenger, Windows media Player etc.
microsoft has never insisted i use IE and nothing else; consequently im free to use wotever browser i desire from Safari, Opera, even FireFox (yeuk!)
and no website insists you absolutely MUST use IE or else, so what are you talking about? if IE rankles you so much, why, turn it off! the option exists in TURN WINDOWS FEATURES OFF setting under PROGRAMS AND FEATURES.
i dont see where its wrong to include first party apps in an OS, Apple offers Safari built in and "hardwired" into OS X, but that doesnt mean you cant use any other browser of your choosing.
also, any website or applet designed to wreak havoc on any OS will do that via the default browser, it doesnt matter which. Firefox is not secure because it isnt "hardwired" into the OS, its secure because of the way it handles popups, phishing scams, plug-ins and applets. these are the browser-based loopholes moden malware use.
if the majority of online browser-based malware tend to exploit IE more, it means IE is the most widely used browser and also the most web-standards compliant.
im not defending MS, im simply stating obvious facts. the way you post some noobie will get the impression every windows user is shoehorned into using IE with no choice.
so in sum, removing IE entirely serves the same purpose as not using it and installing another default browser entirely.
besides, i absolutely hate firefox.
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bigrovar (m)
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@Ex Inferis
No u didnt , i was actually reading having a cup of tea while reading your post , my bad , cause i almost split tea all over my laptop , the things u say coming from u , i dont really know where to start , but i will really u , first i need to clear my head
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Ex Inferis (m)
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bring it on, bro.
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Dual Core
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spill some blood, brurvs! I'm the security man and gates are locked so cops aint coming in to catch ya fighting. throw the punches yo!  Bigrovar, beat Ex inferis for me, k? He thinks i'm not firing on all cores  killim dead yea  **rushes to the pop corn store** |
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oyb (m)
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^^^^^^^^ and here i was thinking i was the only subscriber |
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Dual Core
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^^^^^^^^ and here i was thinking i was the only subscriber u want pop corn? |
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Ex Inferis (m)
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can i join you guys? here, scoot over OYB, your lard ass is flowing into my seat.
<crunch, munch, slorp, gulp>
this fight looks interesting, my money's on the better looking guy, that Ex Inferis fella.
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blackweaver (m)
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no fair Ex, you're supposed to be in the ring not on the couch
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bigrovar (m)
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the fault does not lie in the browser itself, it lies with Active X which micropwsoft uses mostly for WGA. the reason firefox is touted is because it can better handle such frameworks than IE.
remember i said earlier that most modern malware are plug-in based.
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i do not agree with this. sure, certain apps may call the browser in order to redirect for either tech support or registration purposes, but they always call in the *default* browser, which could be anything, not necessarily IE. this does not mean such apps need IE or any browser to function, just for auxiliary services.
I think we quite agree that IE is a flawed browser (to be fair i have not tried 8 so things might have changed) but what even amplifies this flaw is the way its hardwired into windows , Infact with windows xp things are soo bad that Both IE and windows explorer are almost one and the same. in fact both have shell integration which fuse them together as one application add to the fact that it will be almost impossible to remove Internet Explorer doing so would cause Some applications that depend on libraries installed by IE to fail to function, or have unexpected behaviors. things like The Windows help and support system will also not function due to the heavy reliance on HTML help files and components of IE. (not sure if this also affect vista) it is also not possible to run Microsoft's Windows Update or Microsoft Update with any other browser due to the service's implementation of an ActiveX control, which no other browser supports. , although such Integration has its advantages but from a security point of view the disadvantage out weigh its advantage , The Modern trend in application design is to have each application run in a sandbox environment hence ensuring that: 1. that a compromised application cannot cause damage to the rest of the platform. This means an attacker may not be able to use one vulnerable application as a spring box for attacking the rest of the OS. 2. Hiding information / data associated with applications from the rest of the applications running on the platform. 3. Restricting access to only the parts of the system that an application needs to do its particular function. The sandbox usually provide isolation of filesystem and privilege. A sandboxed application runs in a pre-defined subset of the filesystem that it cannot escape from. This is commonly referred to as a " chroot jail", the sandbox must provide isolation of privilege. Privilege isolation is done in the traditional UNIX mechanism of UID/GID separation, where applications will be run with different user and group identifiers. both andrioid, google chrome and even the One Laptop Per child suger Interface use this technology . The Firefox on windows is safer because its has less integration to the rest of the OS and if compromised is less likely to affect the rest of the system, a flaw in IE or any of its libraries for example goes deep affecting every other application that use such libraries , this is why IE cant be removed in previous version of windows. and why its windows 1 security hole , in other news am test running windows 7 and it looks good , NAT , its actually a screenshot of kde 4.3 running on kubuntu 9.04  |
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Dual Core
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can i join you guys? here, scoot over OYB, your lard ass is flowing into my seat.
<crunch, munch, slorp, gulp>
this fight looks interesting, my money's on the better looking guy, that Ex Inferis fella.
**kicks him into the bloody ring**yeaaaaaaa! go biggy!! go biggy!!! rovar! rovar!! rovar!!! i so want him dead mehn! Remember, no rules! Just blood  |
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Ex Inferis (m)
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no fair Ex, you're supposed to be in the ring not on the couch
im actually the Terminator, model TX-XVII, there are many of us mass-produced by Skynet. actually the fella in the ring is an earlier model running on windows 98. me, i run windows X, im quadruple quad core quantum series intel chipset with a 18 bajillion gig of RAM. i also have a water coolled system, 16 cylinder and double quad camshaft. the enemy, Bigbrovar, runs on the very first iteration of Linux coded by Linux Torvalds. he runs on an 8088 processor with a 2bit instruction set, no GUI, few rudimentary drivers, basic Artificial Intelligence, and non-multitasking, lots of vacuum tubes. oh, and he takes punched cards. a very old model machine just slightly above ENIAC **kicks him into the bloody ring**yeaaaaaaa! go biggy!! go biggy!!! rovar! rovar!! rovar!!! i so want him dead mehn! Remember, no rules! Just blood cor! is that how you fight around here? how archaic. seems this Deathray vaporizeri brought along will come in handy. @bigbrovar maybe you might want to reserve some energy to piss you dissent at the new Google Chrome OS coming next year. |
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blackweaver (m)
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nah i don't think bigrovar is pure linux, i think he's just into open source
which means he'll take google's side against windows
but then isn't google a "beta" software company? i mean their products
are almost always released as better and seldom become stable
(even though their released betas tend to be stable)
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texazzpete (m)
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Google's OS will hurt linux far more than Windows.
windows users are usually comfortable with windows, and when Windows 7 comes out, there's bound to be a lot more satisfied customers. Not many will switch and lose compatibility with all their favourite apps.
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The open source community is another matter.
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bigrovar (m)
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Google's OS will hurt linux far more than Windows.
windows users are usually comfortable with windows, and when Windows 7 comes out, there's bound to be a lot more satisfied customers. Not many will switch and lose compatibility with all their favourite apps.
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The open source community is another matter.
perhaps u can enlighten us how in your opinion google chrome OS will hurt linux , that statement itself is a huge contradiction , but i will give u a chance to explain what you self , ( i can accept and respect a view contrary to mine , what i can not accept is general half baked , ill thought out statement , spitted out without any base on fact or reality) |
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texazzpete (m)
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perhaps u can enlighten us how in your opinion google chrome OS will hurt linux , that statement itself is a huge contradiction , but i will give u a chance to explain what you self , ( i can accept and respect a view contrary to mine , what i can not accept is general half baked , ill thought out statement , spitted out without any base on fact or reality)
<kid gloves gloves on> You know exactly what i meant when i used the word 'linux'. I meant it as a generic term for the Linux distros we have today, and not just anything running with a linux kernel as the Chrome OS will. The most likely incursion area for Linux OS was going to be the netbook. A popular, usable OS from Google will serve to sate the customers who want cheaper notebooks with smaller storage space and further reduce the need for linux-on-netbook units. It should have a far less impact on Windows users with workstations and productivity devices who would stand to lose compatibility with existing applications. The general theory of how the Chrome OS will pan out will be something similar to the Palm Pre's WebOS. At this stage, all people can postulate at the moment is educated guesses. Just as Google's web based office suites haven't really hurt Microsoft's Office sales, Chrome OS will probably have non-critical effect on Microsoft's bottom line. . .at least not for a while. </kid gloves gloves on> what i can not accept is general half baked , ill thought out statement , spitted out without any base on fact or reality
You mean like your frankly silly 'review' of Windows 7 pre-beta OS, where you didn't have the common sense to perform your test comparison on similar hardware? or your stubborn insistence on dissing the OS even when comprehensive performance charts from respected reviewers like CNET and ZDNET were presented, brainlessly postulating a conspiracy theory that they had been bribed by Microsoft? Your stubborn insistence that Windows Vista is a terrible OS, when numerous people with far more technical aptitude than yourself have shown that on systems that surpass the recommended system requirements, Windows Vista actually does deliver? Your insistence that Windows Media player crash = total Windows crash? Supercillous, vapour headed show-off. |
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Ex Inferis (m)
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major ouch, right there. yay, Tezz is fighting my fight for me.
Fact: the next-next new thing is Web 3.0; cloud computing is becoming a reality and google knows it. the recent popularity of netbooks/nettops is proving that fact. we all know these are slim, bare-bones computers geared for the web. so, slimmer computers require slimmer OS, not clunky old windows or focusless Linux and that is where Google is headed with the Chrome OS (already some netbook makers are experimenting with Android).
Intel has Moblin, Nokia (which is rumored to build its own netbook) will no doubt go with a mature Maemo, and google is creating Chrome OS which is essentially an empowered browser.
Bigbrovar, stop bristling whenever anyone disses linux; its not like its the best or most widely used OS in the world; its still quirky as hell and intimidating for new comers. Tezz and myself are not Microsoft Fans, im not a primary windows user even (yay, OS X !) but we had to admit Windows 7 is everything Vista should've been.
so stop this huffing and puffing and embrace the power of THE PORTAL (Gates, DOS, and Windows).
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flyuche (m)
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the only company that can break MS dominance on the desktop is Apple, that is when Apple decides to start licensing its OS to other OEMs. the linux world is too fragmented to pose a formidable challenge. chrome OS will not affect Windows market share in any signifant proportion.
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Ex Inferis (m)
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but then, this poor economy makes cheap netbooks a viable alternative to the costlier fullblown laptops, and if chrome os sells well at precisely the time netbooks boom all over, MS may be in trouble; google docs will steal Office market share. of course, google docs are not available offline, but if Adobe Air is any indication, an offline component with sync ability is a done deal.
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flyuche (m)
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well it's nice to see a giant like google parenting a linux distro. the UI just has to be good like OS x or Windows 7 or better.
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Samunosuke
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Chrome os seems mostly cloud-based, ok 4 advanced nations but in developing nations,no.
Doubt the media powerhouse that is apple will release software for it,instantly alienating millions of iphone/ipod users.
Linux has been here 4 a long time and it hasn't hurt microsoft so what changes?Granted backed by a big name,chrome os might go a long way but probably only on netbooks. I doubt i'll do video encoding or renders on it.
Did i mention games?Even if your not a gamer,u have to agree thats one trump card microsoft has that isnt going away soon.
But, its not all bad chrome os will definately have speed and stability going for it,some people crave that.I doubt personally i'll dump ubuntu for it.Not with free shipit cd's.
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lynxnoon (m)
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hmmmmm very interesting thread,,,,,,,,,,,lets just wait n see how dis chrome OS goes den we'll know who's d winner eventually (til den its linux 4 me  ) |
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flyuche (m)
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@mod. why is bigbrovar's post not showing?
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Dual Core
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@mod. why is bigbrovar's post not showing?
i used 'em to buy akara ballz thanks bro meanwhile Win7 has died on me somehow (i didnt kill it, that i know!). The mumu thing just started acting like mad. i wanted to perform a DISKPART operation in DOS (as admin) and then i noticed stuff went gaga. New folders dont open and all that. Woteva, i am not going back to XP I'mma just fix it or break it or i'mma just move over to linux (oh no who just shouted halleluyah? bigrovar or oyb, its got to be one of them) |
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Dual Core
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Big rovar, to avoid that BOT eating up your posts, make them short and stay in the middle with words, as per use everyday words. tht bot is just mad.
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oyb (m)
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The mumu thing just started acting like mad. i wanted to perform a DISKPART operation in DOS (as admin) and then i noticed stuff went gaga. New folders dont open and all that.
Woteva, i am not going back to XP
I'mma just fix it or break it or i'mma just move over to linux (oh no who just shouted halleluyah? bigrovar or oyb, its got to be one of them) ain't me sorry about the diskpart . lazy fake gurus like me just do our disk manipulation direct from the console snapins i suspect you have a tweaked setting somewhere thats causing your grief its like when i turned off some services that i considered useless. the day I bought a modem, it took me 5 hours to connect to the net, all because of a service i had turned off . the other day, i installed office 12, and it compeletly fucked up my vba for autocad - i could not run any vba subroutines, i kept getting a message asking me to reinstall vba - its a rule of thumb to install autocad LAST when setting up a system. after a month of going without vba and some scattered attempts that backfired, i found soemthing on a site that gave me an idea - i went to common files/microsoft shared, where among other things i had office 10, office 12 and office 1 folders. autocad typically refernces the office 10 folder, so i renamed the office 10 folder to office 10 old, , copied the office 14 folder and renamed it to office 10, and voila! my vba started working - and it only took me 2 months ditto ecel 2007, i had a routien password.xla, that breaks protections of locked worksheets. it wouldn't work in 2007, after two months, i found a routine that recompliled xlas to 2007 formats. don't mind me, just tales from the trenches of hacking compatibility issues am sure you'll find a way around it. . . |
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