Black Slave Traders And Owners

So do we all agree now that Africans traded fellow Africans into slavery?, It's not far fetched, Joseph's brothers traded him into slavery in Egypt. This thing has been going on way before the white men found the Gulf of Guinea.

To be fair to our ancestors though,I doubt if they would have participated,had they known what was in store for the slaves because Africans trated their slaves humanely,the white man treated his black slaves worse than a mule.

donzman and I have always said so.
Go back to earlier posts.
You may have been caught up in your fights to see it.

Drusilla if you want you are free to go and live in Nigeria.
My Village has no white people. Noteven immigration will look for you there.
But if they come , you only have to hide in the schrein. Nobody enters there.Not even immigration.
You can farm or fish . Any other work here is the whitemans job.
But maybe you are a seere. then you will be useful there too.

I think all AA's should remain where they are. We're having too much problems on our own already and by the way, 50% of them like Drusilla above could have a legitimate case to move to Europe.

400million?, Where did you pull out those numbers from? 1 out of every 5 blacks you see as they say is Nigerian. If there are 900million blacks by your numbers then there has to be about 200million Nigerians which isn't reasonable. Are you counting all the Mullattos in Brazil/Carribean into the equation?

@Topic
 

Hypothetically speaking, let's pretend that we are going to put it into the court of Law.
 

"Did Africans sell or Trade other Africans into European slavery?"
 
The case would be thrown out due to hear say and lack of evidence.
 
I believe it was Mamaput who presented the one case where an African tells the story about how another African sold him into slavery. Let's say this story is true, that slaves case would be only one case out of millions of other slaves we have heard nothing from. We will never know if the African man who sold him did that because of his own personal trend. Besides, who wrote down this alleged fact any how? Was it a bias white man trying to establish false proof to make Africans look like the barbarians they in fact were?
 
When the heat comes down on you, quickly revert to blaming someone else, particularly the one who you did the harm to.
 

In order to prove a case, you must have physical evidence which is proof, and you must also have motive.
 

We have no physical evidence to give hard core proof that Africans sold other Africans into slavery. If you are going to have a fair trial, the one in question is innocent until proven guilty.
 

All we have is one story and the rest is Hear say. Many of us have heard that Africans sold other Africans into slavery but we don't know for sure.
 
If we were to establish and ruling on this case based on fact, Africans would not be convicted as slave traders to Europeans. Below is the facts we do know for sure with out a shadow of a doubt.
 
1. fact - Europeans came on ships with guns and other weapons that could succeed over the weapons Africans had. This fact establishes intent.
 
2. fact -  The Europeans who came on the ships, they were kicked out of Europe because of their barbaric behavior and their bubonic plague nastiness, that is why they ended up in Africa. This fact establishes motive.
 
3. fact - Europeans used black slaves to build their so called new world such as the entire America hence, they killed Native Americans first, in order to obtain American land. They also used African slaves to help kill the Native Americans off and take America away from them. This fact supports fact #1 (intent) and #2 (motive) Europeans could not go back to a place they were kicked out from, they had to create their own place to settle, only thing is - they had no place so they had to take a place and they had to take slaves in order to build this place. They wanted fast results after their take over and they were to anxious to take their time and do it all on their own.
 
4. fact - Europeans are known for settling on other peoples land by force or by a acceptance of the peoples land they settle upon. Historically, African people are not known for settling on other peoples land, in fact, no other race but the white race is known for this, even to this day. This establishes a pattern in white peoples behavior. White people are in fact serial squatters and settlers of other peoples land either done by force or by the acceptance of the people who's land they settle upon.
 

If we ignore the facts and say that Africans did trade slaves sell slaves etc. Africans couldn't really make use of the European goods so what exactly was it that white people gave to Africans in exchange for Humans with strong body's? Liqueur? Mirrors?
European Money? Guns? a ship? European tea?
 
If Africans did swap goods giving up Live Africans to Europeans for European goods Africans would be stupid people and very simple minded and also not very clever at all.
 
Only and idiot would make an uneven and useless swap. If I was going to trade something, I would want equal or more value for what it was I was giving up. If I was giving up an African human for slavery, I would want me a European slave in return.
 

Conclusion:
 
Africans are stupid and not clever at all and they were to cowardly to fight the Europeans which they would not have one any way.
 
Europeans had a motive, they were kicked out of Europe. Europeans had intent because they came on a ship with weapons that could out do African weapons. Through out history Europeans are the only ones who have a pattern of squatting and settling on other peoples land, no other race can be accused of this.
 

Now that you have heard the facts, which do you rule in favor of?
 

Yes, Africans did in fact trade or sell Africans into white Europeans slavery?
 
No, Africans, did not sell or trade other Africans into European slavery?

@Donzman


If you see something that is not fair about the case - please, state what that is.

@Donzman



Can we please stay focused.

What does slavery in Africa have to do with Africans trading Africans or selling Africans to Europeans for Europeans to use for the means of slavery?

Slaves already being in Africa is another case we can deal with later but first lets clear up the fact that there is no proof that Africans sold or traded other Africans to Europeans for the means of Europeans to enslave Africans?

However, on the other hand facts point to Europeans being the only ones who participated in enslaving Africans during the time that Europeans came to Africa in need of slaves.

@Mamaput


In saying this Mamaput, are you saying that you can not firmly say that there is enough proof that Africans sold other Africans into European slavery? Did you read my facts before the last post I posted. This topic has moved along sense the last couple of hours and Donzman gave a very vague response to recent facts I posted in this topic. If you did not read the facts i posted, scroll up from this post until you see where I talked about putting this case into the court of law.

As for my visiting library's. I already did enough of that during the times that it was being pushed that Africans were selling their own people into slavery. I looked for evidence many times to support this and found nothing. I do however remember ruining into what you said about that one slave but I didn't give it much attention because it was one case and it did not negate that Europeans came on ships with guns.

Modfied: I read the book Roots a very long time ago and "Alex Haley", the author of the book did describe where Africans who were already slaves, were going into the villages to help capture more Africans for slavery. However, the Africans who were doing the capturing were already fearful and brainwashed slaves, they didn't do any bartering with European men to trade or sell Africans of into slavery.

I recall Alex H spoke/wrote about black strangers and not black slaves.
may the black mans word did not count.
Maybe the white man did not want to document "rich black men" i do not know.
I only know there are few examples and in the whole of googel i only found two.





Still looking


Of cause you cannot compare the nummber .but they were there.