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somegirl (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #64 on: October 29, 2006, 09:48 PM »

Chinani, no, it doesn't matter whether they were Jewish or not - at least to me. I know there were and are good and bad people on all sites.

Quote from: Sista
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Steven Spielberg's pseudo-historical film about a 19th-century mutiny and massacre aboard a Spanish slave ship, Amistad, and the subsequent trial of the Black mutineers is being praised by the reviewers. Spielberg, one of the wealthiest and most successful of Hollywood's Jewish film makers, is also being praised by his kinsmen in various so-called "human rights" organizations for using his propaganda skills to sensitize White, Gentile audiences to the horrors of slavery and make them feel just a little more guilty for treating non-Whites so badly in the past. What the film doesn't mention, of course, is that Spielberg's Jewish kinsmen owned many, though not all, of the ships involved in the 18th- and 19th-century Atlantic trade in Black slaves and, in fact, played a very prominent role in bringing Black slaves to America.  Jews and the White Slave Trade.
Was this the origin of European Anti Semitism


This is true.

Sista, sorry to ask, my dear, but why did you bring this up? I somehow missed that point.
Sista (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #65 on: October 29, 2006, 09:54 PM »

@925


Dont' get me wrong, i agree with you totally, their is nothing about the white race to be proud of claiming, you know I agree with you on that.


The point is however, your wife is white 925, and your children are a product of you and her, not you alone. I'm not going to go any further into this because when it comes to children, I don't play around. All I am going to say is, I just hope your children don't grow up to feel ashamed of their white mother who is a part of them.

I also hope they don't grow up confused as to "why Daddy Say's their is nothing good about white culture if he married Mommy who is white. Does he think mommy is any good?" Remeber, you said your self, there is nothing to be proud about as far as the white race is concerned. Does this mean that the white race woman is nothing to be proud of? You can't have your cake and eat it to, that would be hypocritical.

If you preach this type of hypocritical idelology, trust and believe your children will one day come to the age where they begin to question what you say, that will be the time that they will begin to think for their self. I just would not like to see them go through that type of confusion. Being confused about your parents will cause you to be confused about your self. That is all I am saying 925. I work with children of all races, mixes, color creed what ever. My heart aches for a child who's happiness depends on how their parents make their personal decisions.

I still have love for you, please do not take this personally. This is not a personal attack on 925. I am keeping it real with you, I don't play around when it comes to children.
Sista (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #66 on: October 29, 2006, 09:56 PM »

@Somegirl


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Sista, sorry to ask, my dear, but why did you bring this up? I somehow missed that point.


Actually, that is 925's quote, he brought it up, I was just aggreeing with him.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #67 on: October 29, 2006, 10:04 PM »

If they know the truth about the whiteman, they won't feel bad [in Jesus name it wont happen cause I will prepear them], if they face racism in the future, which i know as a Nigerian can only be from White people, I can swear for Nigerians.
Sista (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #68 on: October 29, 2006, 10:07 PM »

@925


I really hope so 925, I'm going to be praying as well except I won't be praying in the name of Jesus. I will be asking our ancestors for help on this one.  
somegirl (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #69 on: October 29, 2006, 10:10 PM »

Sista, ah, that's what he referred to when he said he will change it. Gotcha.  Grin
mamaput (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #70 on: October 30, 2006, 08:48 AM »

Theslave Trade and the colonizing  of Africa did not take place at the same time.
If i say they stayed at the coast that dose not mean non entered.
I have said that it was the Greedy Black man that even showed him the way inside.
If the ship landed at the shores of Africa some entered but others stayed.
The Big slave houses in Africa are at the coast.

Fort Winneba by Accra
cape coast castle

and some others.
mamaput (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #71 on: October 30, 2006, 09:04 AM »

Racism comes in many forms from the harmless oyibo pe pe calls to the wanting to move with halfcast.
The more you grow the wors it becomes The "You know you are not really one of us"
This happened in Nigeria once we were involved in an accident the car summasulted several times,
Some people stopped and ran to help un getting to us , they made stupid comments on halfcast  and left. just like that.

People will tell their kids not to play with you because you are mixed and mixed kids are rotten.

When you fight even with your best friend he will tell you to go back to your country.

Do notr tell me there is no Racism in Nigeria then they even have Trebalisim there,
nferyn (m)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #72 on: October 30, 2006, 04:26 PM »

Excellent blog entry by a Nigerian woman in the UK on the subject. The discussion that follows is worth reading too.
babyosisi (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #73 on: October 30, 2006, 06:57 PM »

One part of slave  history that I know of in Igboland is regarding the Arochukwu people which Chinani had mentioned earlier.

I am not Aro(people from Arochukwu) but that history is so true and is in Aro history.
Sista in as much as you'll want to believe that no black man would have been involved in the selling of his own kind but the truth is that they did.
It is a shameful thing to say but it is true.

The Aros(An Igbo group) were very powerful warriors and traders back in the day.almost every nook and corner of Igboland has an aro community till date.
The advantage in their infilterating other villages paid well during slave trade,they knew every nook and corner of other land and were the middle men in these slave deals in Igboland.

Aros regarded themselves as super Igbos amd did not intermarry with other Igbos besides aros until recently.
My mom told me that as a kid even in the  fifties,they were still 'feared' and 'respected' and stories from her dad was that they called other Igbos by derogatory names and would boast that no Aro man or woman was ever sold into slavery.

Another sad part of slave history as told to me by my grandfather(passed down from his father and grandfather) was that some people willingly gave up their children to slave dealers.
Some of these children were merely disobedient kids or kids we may label today as hyperactive and this was how the families disposed of these troublesome kids.
Some others were tricked into giving out their chidren after being promised that these kids would be going on a journey to the whitemans land,to return later.

Slavery has always been a part of human history even way before Christ.
Communities always conquered others in wars and took the women as wives and concubines and the men as slaves.
Slavery into the new world took it however to a new dimension.
Legend  has it that the Oba of Benin(A monarch in Midwestern Nigeria) sold some slaves to dealers in exchange for a mirror(he had never seen one before).
Remember also that slavery was already part and parcel of Igboland from intertribal wars so this was nothing new.
Without the involvement of the Africans,there was no way the transatlantic trade would have been succesful.

It is an unfortunate part of history but it is true.

NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #74 on: October 30, 2006, 08:33 PM »

Quote from: mamaput on October 30, 2006, 09:04 AM
Racism comes in many forms from the harmless oyibo pe pe calls to the wanting to move with halfcast.
The more you grow the wors it becomes The "You know you are not really one of us"
This happened in Nigeria once we were involved in an accident the car summasulted several times,
Some people stopped and ran to help un getting to us , they made stupid comments on halfcast and left. just like that.

People will tell their kids not to play with you because you are mixed and mixed kids are rotten.

When you fight even with your best friend he will tell you to go back to your country.




I don't know where you got all this, but you are lying, is all about the way you present yourself, people don't like smart ass,
for example if I know you in life, I won't treat you the way I would treat; Babyosisi, Drusilla, Chinani or Sista, I would definitely treat you like an outsider, because that is what you want to be.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #75 on: October 30, 2006, 10:00 PM »

Mamaput,

Mentacide: When Niggers commit mental suicide.

Look into it.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #76 on: October 30, 2006, 10:06 PM »

To everybody else:

Does it really make sense to ya'll that the African American, is to be convinced that people thousands of miles away, who been dead hundreds of years are responsible for Black American slavery?

But then are told to: Forget about slavery, and the people right here in your own country who held you in slavery until 41 years ago?

Let me put it to you this way:

If  white police officers in Houston Texas storm in a house and find 3 black men being sexually serviced by a 8 year old white blond little girl.

Will the police officers accept the argument from the Black fellows that the: "mother sold her to us a long time ago when she was a baby in Romania, so we have no guilt?"


Get the phuck with these stupid arguments about what some deadass africans did 600 years ago, thousand of miles away.

Your still guilty white people of what you do and continue to do to the little girl, right the phuck now.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #77 on: October 30, 2006, 10:08 PM »

Sorry, these arguments are so stupid.
GNature (m)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #78 on: October 30, 2006, 10:22 PM »

Quote from: Drusilla on October 30, 2006, 10:00 PM
Mamaput,

Mentacide: When Niggers commit mental suicide.

Look into it.

There is no need to insult mamaput now, haba.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #79 on: October 30, 2006, 10:36 PM »

Gnature,

You may be right but I never went past the first few posts, maybe she has already apologized for insulting the intelligence of all Black people world wide.
babyosisi (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #80 on: October 30, 2006, 11:25 PM »

my posting was only to say Africans played a role too.How major,I don't know.
Drusilla quit the bad language please
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #81 on: October 30, 2006, 11:33 PM »

babyossissi,

Sorry for the bad language, I am spoiled. Imagine if I was really, really sick and in the hospital. Poor nurses.
delf747 (m)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #82 on: October 31, 2006, 01:40 AM »

Quote from: Chinani on October 30, 2006, 11:33 PM
These people can not just run over other people & take others' farm land. You know that Nigeria is very dense in places, as is Africa so just "vanishing" is not an option.

Chinani,

Thanks for your reply.

You are right. I should have said 'avoiding' instead of 'vanishing'.

Of course it would have required the co-operation of all the people in surrounding regions. They would need to be re-settled.

I can't give you a specific example - geography can change a lot in 400 years. There would certainly have been a lower population and therefore more unused agricultural land and more woodland.

Quote from: Chinani on October 30, 2006, 11:33 PM
They do not operate in mass warfare manner. Africans have never had a European style war a la "The Crusades" or "The Hundred Years' War" or the Napoleonic wars" So while, yes, we do have "war tools" and military know-how, it is not the same.

This is true. But it's unlikely Europeans had anything like the numbers necessary on the African continent to mount a major campaign to capture slaves.

They would have relied upon the knowledge of local guides - probably in the employment of the local King or Chief.

In many cases I think the Europeans would just have been along for the ride until they got their 'cargo'  back on the ship.

I don't know how much contact there had been between Europe and Africa prior to slavery but it would certainly be very interesting to find out.

(As an aside I do know that Queen Elizabeth threatened many African people with expulsion from London in 1604 because there were so many of them).

I agree with you though that history blindsided them.

Tunde Obadina:

Would Africans have suffered, genocide had they tried to end the slave trade? Unlikely. It is doubtful that the human cost of resistance would have been greater than the many millions of Africans killed in slave producing wars as well as those eaten by sharks after being jettisoned during the Atlantic crossings. We cannot know for certain. It seems more likely that Europe would have had to look elsewhere for cheap labour. It was one thing for European nations to use military might to protect their coastal trading posts and subdue disgruntled local chiefs, it would have been an entirely different matter for them to penetrate the interior of the continent and fight the hundreds of wars that fed the slave trade.

http://www.afbis.com/analysis/slave.htm

Quote from: Chinani on October 30, 2006, 11:33 PM
because at a certain point people began crossing the River Niger to get away from kingdoms and slave traders. Many peoples (thousands) left the Kingdom of Benin. Many of these people now have (probably) descendants that are Igbo people they settled so close to Igbo people centuries passed etc. Leaving Edoland is also how the Isoko culture (not an Igbo culture!) started (an Isoko man told me that  ). Again (my point is) people DID resist. Let's not pretend they didn't.

So we can agree then that Africans did move inward from the coast to avoid the slave trade. Whether we call it resistance or avoidance it all points to the fact that Africans were thinking strategically and not behaving as helpless victims of circumstance.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #83 on: October 31, 2006, 01:49 AM »

It is quite appropiate that Mamaput an person who claims to be white and black, would post this topic about African involvement in slavery.

Here is a truth that African American historians rarely share -- because it some how says that Black Africans are too stupid to be enslavers.

The Africans who participated in selling slaves. Were white and black or Arabs and blacks-- Mulatto's.

Just like Mamaput.

Tippu Tip is one famous Mulatto enslaver from East Africa.

And the West coast of Africa also has many great well known Mulatto just like Mamaput enslavers.

Mulatto Africans like Mamaput enslaved my Dark skin anscestors.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #84 on: October 31, 2006, 01:52 AM »

Later on, sure some dark skin African probably got in on the takings but that is what slavery was on the west coast of Africa for many years.

The white or arab mixed coastal Africans selling the darkest Africans as slaves.

Whites and Arabs had relations with local coastal Africans and then their children grew up in the family business of enslaving Dark Skin Black People.

Whole tribes of these mulattos are well known to historians.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #85 on: October 31, 2006, 01:56 AM »

Mulatto's and coloreds: were selling Black People.

Africans were not selling Africans into slavery.

Whites would even take their children to london and other places and educate them before bringing them back to put them in the family businesss of selling dark black skin Africans.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #86 on: October 31, 2006, 02:00 AM »

And these Mulatto's in no way considered themselves to be Africans.

They considered themselves to be germans and such like Mamaput considers her Mulatto self.

They talked about Africans the same way Mamaput does.

Where she once told me that being African meant having to live in a hut. Or some mess close to that.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #87 on: October 31, 2006, 02:04 AM »

Historians do not like to admit or think that Black africans were too "dumb" to be in the slave selling business.

And so they rarely admit to this picture of Africa.

Mulattos who along with their white or arab parent who did not consider themselves Africans were selling "dark skin African Animals".

Africans never sold Africans into slavery. No matter how they try to make it look now.

Enjoy!
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #88 on: October 31, 2006, 02:18 AM »

The axe forgets, the tree remembers.
mamaput (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #89 on: October 31, 2006, 09:29 AM »

Let me see  I trace my roots to my German Nazi  matanal side and to my African slaverTrader patanal side.
This Mulatto is really one hell of a Mulatto .
Well better than a Mulatto  that has never been to Africa that will wear a dress made in Kongo, earrings made in Taiwan and shoes made in Italy and call her self an African Queen.
You want to belong by force but  The Difference remains you are an AA woman and not and African woman.
And even your own people do not allow you to belong ,.
They give you names like House nigger and red  (or is it yellow.)
By the way  in the good old days Africans lived in Huts. The houses came later.
Most African lived in Huts.
Forget the palast were the kings were living. Then Africa was not an every man is a King  place.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #90 on: October 31, 2006, 09:48 AM »

Mamaput,

If you are now trying to be better than Drusilla, (along with all other Africans, that you feel better then, when you say in Africa you are considered a "white" person).

That's easy.

After all, I come from slaves. And I will never let you forget that.

Go ahead be better than me. Doesn't bother me in the least bit. Doesn't effect any thing I have said here but if you need it. Go for it.
mamaput (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #91 on: October 31, 2006, 09:53 AM »

The do not say slave born and free born for nothing.
You were born free but in your mind you are still a slave.
The big Question is a slave of what and a slave to who.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #92 on: October 31, 2006, 10:02 AM »

Mamaput,

Babies always come out of the womb crying, kicking and screaming, if they don't, something is wrong.

I ain't mad at ya. But you will be joining the rest of us on the next level, no matter how mad it makes you.

Kick and scream all you want.
chiluvGod8 (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #93 on: October 31, 2006, 10:56 AM »

Just a little insight for all.  The part of Africa that I will reference here is Nigeria, seeing as how I recently found out that my ancestors were from the Yoruba nations, I will speak on what I learned in the process.  This however causes me to direct my statements toward more towards Nigeria than any other African country because I don't know about any other African cultures.  I happened to stumble upon all of this while searching for my true blood line.

When slavery first started Nigerian Kings and governors sold, to the Europeans, people who were already in bondage. For instance, murderers were taken from the prisons and sold into slavery.  What started happening was kidnappers would catch men, women and/or children on the way to or on the way from the market and sell them into slavery.  Some of my information comes from a book written by Olaudah Equiano (Gustavas Vassa).  Olaudah was also the son of an African King.  He was kidnapped when he was 11 years old and sold into slavery.  At the age of 21 he bought his freedom. 
www.atomicage.com/equiano/life.html You can read his story at this site. 
Olaudah was Nigerian.  The men and women on the boat with him on the way to America were Nigerian.  I make this point to emphasize on the culture.  Olaudah discovers that he is a slave and feels at ease because he remembered how his family treated their slaves.  The slaves were more like maids.  They did housework but they were never beaten, never raped, never mutilated, never maltreated. In fact, at mealtime, the slaves sat at the table with the family as if they were a part of the family.  The slaves also lived in the same house as the family.

Much to Gustava's (Olaudah) surprise, Americans treated their slaves differently.  The people suffered.  It was a systematic mistreatment of the Africans.  They were shot, killed and maimed for speaking their native language.  The weren't allowed to read or to write without dire consequence.  Before slavery was abolished in America, it was constitutional that slaves were deemed less than human.  They were considered chattel for the owner. Personal Property.  A pet. A dog.  They weren't allowed to look into the eyes of the white man. 
 www.freemaninstitute.com/lynch.htm Please use this site to read what really went on when slaves reached american borders.

use this site to read about the manifestation of hatred and cruelty caused as a result of slavery.  Not "black inspired" slavery but white inspired slavery.
www.africanaonline.com/emmett_till_the_case.htm
www.dcgogo.com/emmittill.html
www.bluejeansplace.com/EmmettTillMurderSite.html

So you see mamaput, while Africans may have sold one another into slavery, white people took it to a whole nother level. Your websites show estimations based on someone else's research. None of the proof shows where people were treated the same way in Africa as they were once they reached America.
These websites are accurate. I know because the books, the speeches and the pictures of Emmit Till are all archived in the American Library of Congress. 

And to talk about civil war-
Did not America go through a civil war?  Haven't almost all countries gone through civil war?
www.time.com/time/archive/printout/0,23657,976565,00.html
 www.religioustolerance.org/slavery.htm

Didn't Germans, Nazis enslave Jews?
Honey, you might want to get a perspective on what really happened.

The only race that suffered more than the Jews were the Africans. And it was done by whites.
chiluvGod8 (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #94 on: October 31, 2006, 11:35 AM »

To all:

We are all God's creation. In God's eyes we are sister and brother. We are kinsmen.  Someone made a point earlier that slavery has always existed and it is true. Remember the children of Israel?  They were slaves.  Let us allow this subject to die and give God glory.  Satan enjoys hatred and envy and strife.  Why not find something positive. A common ground.

Drusilla and Mamaput, the two of you have taken racism to another level.  The both of you are posting racial slurs at each other when theoretically you are both one and the same.  As far as I am concerned, we are all mulatto. 
Precious Drusilla, you live in America.  I recently discovered that a DNA test can tell you what part of Africa you came from- Ghana, Ivory Coast, Senegal, Mozambique, Sierra Leone etc.  But the fact that you were born in America means that somewhere in your history you have both white and black in your blood.  You too are a mulatto.  Don't be so harsh.  We are doing here on this site what our ancestors did a long time ago.  Hate each other for no tangible reason.

My dear mamaput,
Don't be so angry. For in all actuality, you could be cursing your own sister.  As far as not belonging or being allowed to belong, it is not true.  Adetokunbo is a Yoruba name for Nigerians born in another country.  That's what you are sweetie.  A returning crown.  And it could very well be what drusilla is.   Blood is blood and blood doesn't lie. It is not our skin color that ties us to Africa. It is our blood.  That's how I found out that I was a African and that I came from the Yorubas.  It wasn't my skin at all. For years I thought that my skin was dark because I was Native American. My grandmother was Native American. But the blood tests results show that her father was an African and her mother was Native American. My grandfather's blood was pure African.  It can be the same case for drusilla.  Her blood links her to someone, somewhere.  You could be cursing and swearing at your cousin.  So please stop it.  Racism and slavery has caused enough hatred and enough wars. 

We have all endured pain. mamaput you were maltreated for being mixed when you were a child.  I grew up in Mississippi.  I was mistreated for being black.  I was spat on.  I was kicked. I was slapped.  Not by children but by adults. 

Injustice has it's way of finding us early in our lives.  It is up to us to understand that it was an injustice and then strive for justice while making sure that we don't created new injustices or relive the old ones on the way. Wink
Drusilla (f)
Re: Black Slave Traders And Owners
« #95 on: October 31, 2006, 07:00 PM »

chiluvGod8,

You have brought only wisdom and insight and good words to the table.

Welcome.

I hope to grow up and be just like you one day.

Praise God Almighty, He is Love.
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