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MUZBO (m)
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@muzbo,hv u asked yourself why national teams have psychologists and not psychaitrics. Maybe because they can't afford them? Of course, psychologists are needed to prevent an eventual visit to psychiatrists. i am not an optometrist,i belong to a learned profession. What is it? pls see the bulletin of WHO jan 2008,to see that uncorrected& wrongly corrected refractive errors could lead to blindness. Just wanted you to prove it yourself. An optometrist saved me from going blind after an ophthalmogist nearly made me blind when i was young.
Aahh haa! Now the plot thickens. This is why you hate Drs and love optometrist. You were too young to differentiate Dr from Optometrists.
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reindeer
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Ikenna, what exactly do you do?be not afraid, tell us, we wont laugh!
And sorry about almost losing your sight, are u sure you didnt lose something else at that time?cos its making you not see big pictures. You seem to see right to the tip of your nose but not beyond.Its as if the error caused you a deep seated hatred for doctors, what serious people do my dear is not make a hasty generalization from a single incident, they go out and get justice. So seeing how much you hate doctors, ill say whenever you have any serious issues regarding your health, pls go to quacks o! Like they say, if you think education is expensive, try ignorance. wish you what you wish yourself.
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ikennahill
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Hi
« #66 on: September 07, 2009, 10:35 PM » |
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Mzubo.an optometrist is a doctor.whether u like it or nt.a vet.dr is a dr,whether u kil ursf wt envy or not.reindeer is too young and nd 2 grow up.
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reindeer
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what do you do?
simple answers needed please.
And i think you need some re education
try checking out the difference between and ophthalmoLOGIST and optoMETRIST.You might even check out the meaning of the latin root words. Maybe that will help you,cos i think i understand the real problem now, you want to be called a doctor,eh ya, sorry, you should have read better for JAMB rather than seeking short cuts.
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MUZBO (m)
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Re: Hi
« #68 on: September 08, 2009, 05:46 AM » |
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Mzubo.an optometrist is a doctor.whether u like it or nt.a vet.dr is a dr,whether u kil ursf wt envy or not.
I'm not denying that but my uncle is also a Dr. (he has a ph.d in English literature or something) so when next your myopia comes up you can go to him and let him read Shakespeare to you. That'll work! And what is it that you do again?
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reindeer
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I think the guy no get job o! we should be praying for him to get a job,and a life so he can stop hating. He's been so ashamed of what he does that he cant come out to say 'hey i am an. . . . . . .' Poor little guy. 
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ikennahill
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I have told you ,what i am doing is not the matter here,what is the topic? it is why do doctors go on strike,not what is your work
When you get an unbiased definition of optometry you will know the real difference between optometrists and ophthalmologists.As a learned man,we deal with fact and laws, optometric act in nigeria discribe the duties of an optometrists as 1.Examinig the eye to determine to detect anomalies 2.doing refraction to determine refractive errors and giving recomendation 3. treating certain diseases of the eye 4.detecting certain eye and systemic with ocular manifeastation disease and making appropiate recomendation 5.Ocular first aid in case of eye emmergencies 6.counselling patients on good eye health(public health optometry)
the optometrist must have doctor of optometry degree(which is not a phd,it is a first degree like MBBS )Optometry in takes 6years of study in the university,just like medicine,they must do housemanship in a hospital like medcine and then go for youth service.
as for ophthalmologists, the 'ophthalmologists' are those that read for just 18months(1 year in class and 6months internship) and are thrown into the world to learn on the job,result the first 100 people they see will go blind.trial and error.naija is funny my dear, i hank God that i am learned,no body will deceive me though am not a health care professional.the real ophthalmologists do secondary eye care,which include surgereis etc.where things work well including here in usa patients see the optometrists first and are reffered to the ophthalmologists if need be.
Gani died because of politics,medical doctors control health and health failed and they dont want to take the blame.just like amodu blaming the boys aganist tunisia, what a joke called nigeria.The coach killed nigeria.Any state where medical doctors control all appratus of health that stste is doomed,but in places where a non medical professional controls,things move.
Nigerian medical doctors are funny lot,they make one lauugh, with their ego, when u visit other countries doctors dont make noise,they work here they have one unregistered political party NMA which they yhing is powerful because no body want to send them to jail, but soon they will be there with what is happening in some state where people now understand the role of judicary in moving things far,yes mdical doctors here are jealous.
I saw this in laws of federal republic of Nigeia law 2004 cap 09.I also have the opportunity of seeing the scheme of service for optometrists in Nigeria.
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ikennahill
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The real ophthalmologists go for 4 to 5yrs post medical training while the "ophthalmologists' take just 18momth they have PGD in ophthalmology , but the public might not know and the result blind the first 100,make the nest 5o partial blind then continue learning like saibu Amodu the super eagle trainer
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Epi
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No doctor should go on strike. And if they do, lock them up and throw away the keys or shoot them, and shoot to kill
Message: don't think you are going to live while others are dying/getting sick. bullets bullets bullets.
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dumodust (m)
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my people suffer because they have no knowledge. nigerians wake up and stop being block heads. what you get in this country is what you fight for? 1. i dont agree with the fact that doctor's are doing just humanitarian work, they are doing a job that deals with saving lives. maybe you guys prefer to pay pilots and other swashbuckling individuals rather than invest in your safety, 2. why dont they just do pure voluntary work? that's the one that has it's rewards in heaven. i know that that spend years and seriouseffort acquiring their skill, did you sponsor them or pay their school fees? these people have hungry families, bills and kids to take care of too 3. in enlightened societies, you actually get paid for what you have done, the amount odf work you did, in hours. so ask yourself, how much work did i do today at the office? do you really want the same pay as someone who stands all day doing crucial work, having no time for family and friends.? i know a few doctors, and i pity their social and family lives, 3.simple and short, your hospitals in this country have been neglected. everyone attacks the doctor, what of the politicians who steal billions everyday right before our own eyes? dont you think that some of that could have been used to improve working conditions and give your and me quality service, 4. the person who wrote the post before me is an ignoramus. an ophthalmologist is a trained specialist, a consultant surgeon, who has invested 6-8 yrs of postgraduate time to become so involved in the eye and no other part of the body and, 5. i cannot submit my eyes to an optometrist, they refract lenses and other optical products, they may gie paracetamol but it is a crime for an optpmetrist to be running a hospital. it you have one touching your eyes- pls SUE him/her
6. people use the length of time spent in school reading nothing to justify knowledge, training and expertise- spending 6 yrs chewing bubble gum doesn't make you an expert.
it is not illegal for doctors to go on strike- the consequences of them not going on strike is that nothing gets better for you and i, some people have to wrestle the money away from the hands of the politicians. at least, some people have guts in this country, though seem not to be united
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dumodust (m)
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the final conclusion is that most nigerians are frustrated and vent their anger on the wrong lot. instead of trying to measure up to people who obviously know and have what you dont know, stop hating and work on improving yourself and making money,
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agabaI23 (m)
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Doctors do crucial job. They should be paid well.
But in Nigeria, who earns better than the doctors in the public sector? Any answers will be appreciated!!
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qblaze (m)
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@ Poster,
Please get medical insurance. It helps.
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,mama-gee (f)
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na wa ooo, this is madness. 
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Dav.e
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The simple truth whether anyone likes to hear it or not is that healthcare is a very crucial sector in any society, and in where reasonable people are, they acknowledge the importance of quality healthcare provision for everyone in the society. Those asking why doctors go on strike - Ask yourselves why most Nigerian doctors who finish medical school from privileged homes, and even some who go on and hustle by various means to go out of the country to work in India, Kenya, South Africa, even Ghana, Cuba, eastern European countries. Is it that they do not carry out our Nigerian so-called "Humanitarian Services" in these places? I believe doctors in this country have tried. I have seen senior health workers who worked to the last drop of their sweat for government establishments and retired, having nothing to show for 7-8 years of university (normal duration for medicine in Nigeria), 1-2 years of internship, 4-5 years of residency, then beginning to be regarded as a full doctor/nurse, then worked with all their hearts for the government for at least 20 years. Consider the time frame and age of these individuals by time they think of settling down, look at the salary please, these are also people who have aspirations and ambitions to accomplish some things in their lives outside working in hospital. They are not machines who you give maintenance fee (feeding money) every month. Average pay of doctors is about 100k. Look at the nature of the job and also look at the general economic situation. My friend, this is someone you expected to give 100% attention and the best of his ability to your daughter and have nothing else in his mind while doing so. Be sincere with yourself, with that pay, working condition, how possible is it in Nigeria? To render the sort of humanitarian services you're talking about from someone who 1) doesn't have time for himself (except when there was strike and he was holding nurse's hand), 2) thinks of feeding his family 3) juniors school fees 4) no time for any other sort of business to help buffer that nonsense they are paid except private practice, wait I bet if it was 2am in the morning and you went to the hospital, you would have expected to meet a doctor there to deliver perfect service to your daughter. Please do not say they are paid for it , with 100k per month! And this same individual has to report to work 8 am in the morning! The simple truth is at least let these people be compensated for their sacrifices and efforts they put into the profession in this country. Nigerians like to shout "Humanitarian Service". Humanitarian service has no age limit or job boundary! Everybody can and is obliged to carry out humanitarian services, it is not restricted to a group of people! When anyone feels "Humanitarian Service" is not being rendered as it should be, such individual should please kindly go for medical training and come out and deliver it perfectly.
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agabaI23 (m)
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Dav.e I asked a question and I think you may be able to answer that question. Doctors do a crucial job. They should be paid well.
But in Nigeria, who earns better than the doctors in the public sector? Any answers will be appreciated!!
Could you please help?
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reindeer
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BANG!
And to ikenna, stop displaying ignorance. you only become an OPHTHAMOLOGIST after going through a residency program of about 4-5years after NYSC and passing the college primaries. You then come out with either a FWACS (ophtha) or FMCS(ophtha) or FRCS depending on where you are.
its no diploma that makes you and ophthamologist. And like you rightly said OPTOMETRISTS can treat 'some' eye conditions but should know their limits and quickly send to an ophthamologist who shoul be knowledgeable in ALL eye conditions.
Back to the point, i only hope we will get things right in Nigeria cos strikes shouldn't be an option in any self respecting country, but it seems thats the only language the government understands but hey do they still understand it sef? ASUU is still on strike! God help the country.
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whobemumu (m)
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get it all in perspective
doctors spend the most time in school , at least 6 years if u are lucky
they work long hours , up to 80 hours a week
they have large occupational risks( my hazard allowance was 1.5k ) less than enough to even do a test if i am infected
work in horrid ill equipped conditions
I am not saying ppl should die for them to get better pay but beliv that is the only lang govt understands .
u will not understand unless u are involved , councillors with pry 6 earn more than docs
before i left naija i was earning less than a bricklayer if calculated per hour !!!!!!!!!!!
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agabaI23 (m)
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bricklayer in Nigeria or where you are now?
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whobemumu (m)
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dave u got it spot on
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whobemumu (m)
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bricklayer in naija
if u divide my salary then by the hours i was earning about 187 naira an hour , bricklayers earn 250 for an 8 hour day at 2k per day
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agabaI23 (m)
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You are talking about the hours you put in as a house officer in naija or as a Reg? Which hospital if you can tell?
Are you on call everyday?
And BTW how long ago did you leave Naija?
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whobemumu (m)
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hospital name is classified
have done all kinds of call
have done alternate days , 6 days out of 8 and some terrible duties (24hr+24hr +8 hrs on the third day ) without as much as an hours sleep
uninterrupted .
dont get me wrong , not asking for pity and lots of doctors have done same
but just sharing my experience to get it in perspective of the kinds of things we go thru and the public is asking us not to get paid well for
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agabaI23 (m)
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Yea I know. You can only do that as a HO in most hospitals. They are maltreated but the Reg's do not have to do such most times.
I only asked a question who no one has answered. Who else besides the politicians earn more than the doctors in public service in Naija?
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whobemumu (m)
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who earns more than docs apart from politicians ?
bankers
oil and gas services
recruitment staff
telecoms
yahoo boys
some insurers on salary not those on commission
consulting e.g them kpmg and co
accountants in large firms
manufacturing , them nestle and nigerian breweries,
guy just about everybody who has a good job
u must remember that perhaps only about one quarter of docs are employed by govt and earning about 120 k
the privately employed depending on location can earn as low as 40 k to 110, but usually around 60 - 80k
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agabaI23 (m)
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Thank you my dear. Those guys in your list are not in public service. they are all in private companies.
Remember I said 'apart from the politicians' who we know steal our money.
You see as it stands the doctors are the best paid staff in public or let me use civil service in Nigeria.
The remuneration of workers in Nigeria is generally poor. The economy is not good due to poor management and corruption. So the doctor's pay at present still reflects the state of the economy.
You cannot compare your pay in the UK and may be those in the US with Nigeria.
1. Doctors in those countries are prone to litigation and are insured against such which is one of the reasons why their pays are higher than others. Even in the US, some states with high rates of litigation attract higher wages.
2. The Nigerian doctors apart from the house officers do not put in the same number of hours this guys put in over here. After morning rounds, if the consultant is not around, the only doctors you can see around are the house officers on call in most hospitals.
3. The cost of living in this countries are far higher than is obtainable in Nigeria.
Someone earning £1000(250K) in naija is better than some one earning £2k in the UK.
If anyone thinks being a doctor is get rich quick route, it is wrong. You can be comfortable on average. If you want to get rich quick one should opt for the finance sector and not medicine. Medicine has prestige and with extra hardwork and investment which has to be personal one can be rich.
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agabaI23 (m)
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And about those employed in private clinics, you can agree with me that whatever NMA squeezes out from the looters hardly affects them. In fact even some doctors in state hospitals do not even get as much as those in the federal.
I do not think you can use them to make a case. I forgot to tell you that I know some Regs that earn at least 250k/month. One just left a state teaching hospital where he used to take calls with about 140K to an FMC where he does not take any calls but earns 250K/month. Because of the excess time he has, he decided to open a private clinic. What can you say about that?
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shoboy9
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NONSENSE!
NIGERIAN DOCTOR SHOULD RESPECT THEIR WHITE. THEY SHOULD BE LIKE ANGELS. THEY MUST TREAT THE PERSON IMMEDIATELY AND NO NEED TO COLLECT ANY MONEY. WHY SHOULD THEY STOP WORKING SIMPLY BECAUSE THE MAN DIDN'T SAY THANK YOU OR IS IT GOVT THAT FAIL TO SAY THANK U.
MONEY MUST NEVER BE CONSIDERATION FOR DOCTORS. TALK LESS OF THANK U OR POLITENESS.
BTW, POSTER, BEFORE I FORGET WERE U ACTUALLY SCREAMING AT PPL IN A GOVT HOSP IN LAGOS, SORRY NIGERIA AND EXPECTING THEM TO BE your SERVANT? I HOPE NOT. I KNOW ANYBODY THAT SHOUT AT U IN YA OFFICE EVEN IF U B CONDUCTOR GO SEE WEN. ESP FROM SOME OF THE THINGS U'VE SAID.
WE HAV TO GET your PRIORITIES RIGHT IN NAIJA. DO U EXPECT A POLICEMAN TO ARREST A CORRUPT POLITICIAN? AND LOSE HIS JOB AND LIFE AND MAYBE MORE BESIDES? HOW WILL POLITICIANS NOT B CORRUPT WHEN MOST NIGERIANS WANT MONEY BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE?
OF COURSE THERE WILL BE GREEDY DOCTORS JUST AS THERE ARE GREEDY TEACHERS, BANKERS, LAWYERS, POLITICIANS, ETC. THE SOLUTION IS FOR EACH OF US TO GO BACK TO BASICS TO AMEND SOME THINGS. THAT IS MY CANDID ADVICE. GOOD LUCK. SORRY ABOUT YA KID.
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whobemumu (m)
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250 k reg ? the exception rather than the rule
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FL Gators
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Nigeria is soooooooooooooooooooooooo fcuked up.
So Doctors can go on strike there?
No enforcement of law.
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egesugos
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I AGREE WITH IKENNAHILLS. Doctors are greedy and self-centered. Come to think of it: Is it right for a doctor to fight against another professional body even claiming to be their head. I think Doctors should sit down and have a rethink. U guys cant rule the Laboratory Scientists. They are also a professional body and thats why u rely on their diagnosis for treatment of the patient.
The Doctors are the true cause of chaos in the health sector. Sychophants, traitors and betrayers are amongst them but the Lord God has given victory to other health teams whom they consider very little.
Doctors are now falling. U will lose your grip
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oyb (m)
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as a son of medical professionals, with a sibling who is a doctor, and most of my close friends as doctors, i can see where they are coming from. yes in other countries, it is illegal for doctors to go on strike. but other countries are not nigeria, where the government pays lip service to its health issues. in how many of those other countries to senators travel abroad for treatment? in how many of those other countries are inept political appointees who will divert hospital funding to political benefactors' coffers made heads of clinics? yes, some doctors, like professionals from every other field in nigeria, divert their employers business to themselves. that in its own cannot be used to condemn nigerian doctors, several of whom are heroic, making do with non existent infrastructure and still saving lives. too many nigerians subscribe to the 'doctors reward is in heaven fallacy' keep that up, and we will soon have no doctors, and have to start importing them. If anyone thinks being a doctor is get rich quick route, it is wrong. You can be comfortable on average. If you want to get rich quick one should opt for the finance sector and not medicine. Medicine has prestige and with extra hardwork and investment which has to be personal one can be rich.
ignorance is a disease. do you have any idea what it takes to become a doctor? people are in school for close to 10 years. you think people go into all that effort soley for the 'prestige?' in developed countries everywhere, doctors are the highest paid professionals. stop talking out of your anus. two of my friends are in the uk right now, earning 8000 pounds a month - i was afraid sef when i heard it. that is a nation that takes its health seriously, not nigeria, where nincomppops expect to the keepers of the nation to feed on gari and 'prestige'. perhaps you think being in school for 10 years with some more thrown in for specilaization etal amounts to a desire to get rich quick' don't worry, keep it up, there will soon be no doctors left in nigeria - maybe when we have to start importing indians and paying them big money. . .
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