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beefy23 (m)
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don't worry, keep it up, there will soon be no doctors left in nigeria - maybe when we have to start importing indians and paying them big money. . .
No, we pray that it doesn't get that bad. We're already struggling to shake off the image of a failed nation state - if what you referred to happens, it would amount to one of the final nails in the coffin of the big white elephant nation state of ours. |
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jd natialo (m)
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I WILL LIKE TO COMMEND D MODERATOR N MACIIB U GUYS HIT D NAIL ON D HEAD IN THIS COUNTRY OF OUR A LOT OF INJUSTICE IS ABOUND IMAGINE A DR EARNIING 1/3 OF A JUDGES SALARY N GETS LESS BENEFITS HW DO U EXPECT US TO PUT IN OUR BEST N POLITHIEVES[s][/s] POLITICIANS HMMM I WONT WANT TO DWELL ON THOSE.
BUT MUST SITUATIONS GET TO BREAKING POINT B4 WE MAKE AMENDS
ALL WE DRS NEED IS A GOOD WORKING ENVIRONMENT!!!
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agabaI23 (m)
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OYB thanks for the abuses. I am very sure you do not know me.
Doctors are the highest paid professionals anywhere in the world. We are still saying the same thing.
No one in public service earns more than the doctors in Nigeria. If you have any example tell me but do not mention the politicians who are thieves.
You mention that doctors in the UK earn £8000K, which category of doctors? Did you hear about the disparity between the remuneration of GPs that own sugeries and those that work for them? Did you hear about the threat to break away and form a new union as the pay package only favours the sugery owners? This is a week old.
Have you heard the reason why the £100k increment was implemented in the UK for the GPs? Even at that, an average GP who does not have a surgery earns about 50K which was why they wanted to break away and form their own union that will protect their interest? The 100k was implemented for them to work more hours but recent survery says, 'that is not the case' and the public is enraged.
Even the regs earn less than the GPs.
Now do you know that anybody who earns more than £37k in the UK pays 40% tax?
Do you also know that the financial consultants, the bankers et al as listed by whobemumu earn way above the doctors in the UK.
In my last post i said something about litigations. How many doctors have been dragged to court in Nigeria even when it is easy to send a drunk with head injury to hell with a shot of pentazocine in many hopsitals? These are some of the reasons why these guys are paid more.
And you talked about number of years spent. If you count that, then you should be paying academic doctors more than anybody.
On the basic level
Doctors spend only 1 year more than
some other health professionals in Nigeria- pharmcists, medical laboratory scientist etc. They also go for 1 year training (internship).
Go to eastern europe, most people are going into architecture because it is what pays. Doctors are not the best paid!. They still have good and stable health system. Not just one country. The balkan countries in generally have this structure at the moment.
Please I do not to mean demean in anyway the good work doctors do, but demands should be based on sound reasoning and not whipped up sentiments.
They should be paid well just like everybody in Nigeria. They are already the best paid.
Doctors should not compare themselves with those working in financial sectors.
If you want to make extra dosh as a doctor, just answering a doctor is not enough. it can only give you a platform to make it big. but the govt cannot make you 'big'.
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beefy23 (m)
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the govt cannot make you 'big'.
Not quite true - if you're a Senator, State Governor or perhaps even a Local Council Chairman - you've got it made!  |
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agabaI23 (m)
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Not quite true - if you're a Senator, State Governor or perhaps even a Local Council Chairman - you've got it made! I am sure you saw the invited comas?lol Actually those ones are thieves. The govt did not make them rich, they steal from the govt. |
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beefy23 (m)
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I am sure you saw the invited comas?lol
Actually those ones are thieves. The govt did not make them rich, they steal from the govt.
Sorry, missed the commas - but anyhow, Govt as we currently define/practise it in Naija - results in the situation described above. |
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agabaI23 (m)
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Sorry, missed the commas - but anyhow, Govt as we currently define/practise it in Naija - results in the situation described above.
I give up  |
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dumodust (m)
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agaba123, i think you're the one whipping up sentiments, being irrational. I think you're the typical example of an emotionally charged nigerian talking about what he doesn't know. Pentazocine, for your information is a pain killer used widely in trauma and surgeries. It is not propofol, it's actually as common as paracetamol and i'm not aware of a shot sending anyone to hell unless it's fake. You see, that's the problem, wild statements, the kind that you see in the papers. Only informed and enlightened people understand what actually they're sueing for. The average nigerian is intimidated by the doctor. I'm not.
STOP comparing doctors to pharmacists etc, in the health sector there are lines that are not crossed, pharmacists have their roles and besides i think they have been underused and cowardly. They're mostly drug dispensers now.
I feel the scope of this problem eludes the 'ordinary nigerian' with the usual inferiority complex. I know we always value foreigners/white skin more than our own, so like someone said earlier, maybe we'll wait till we start importing doctors from bangladesh,
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dumodust (m)
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and too, no registrar in nigeria earns near 140,000 talkless of 250,000. Agaba123, your ignorance and wild claims are bothering on lunacy
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agabaI23 (m)
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and too, no registrar in nigeria earns near 140,000 talkless of 250,000. Agaba123, your ignorance and wild claims are bothering on lunacy
Thank you dumodust. I am sorry if I come across the way you described me. How ever I did not compare the pharmacist to the doctor literarily. They are two different professionals. I compared them based on someone's submission and you will do well to counter my argument based on my submissions not what you have in your head. Pentazocine? Now look at the whole context of my sentence before you rush to conclusion. You will have to consider the word 'drunk' and the phrase 'head injury' as regards the use of pentazocine before you say whatever you wanna say. I was told it is contraindicated in such a condition due to a possibility of raised intracranial pressure. I have witnessed at least one case where someone was sent to abyss with just 30mg shot. Now take it easy and educate me. We are not quarrelling. |
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agabaI23 (m)
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and too, no registrar in nigeria earns near 140,000 talkless of 250,000. Agaba123, your ignorance and wild claims are bothering on lunacy
Wow wow! Thanks again. Do you work in a hospital that implements CONTIS( not sure if I got the acronym right)? If you do not please ask anyone who does. I may be wrong about the N250K figure but that is what a doctor told me. But I am sure I am not wrong about the 140K stuff. Remember it varies. I am talking about where pharmacy interns earn 120K, med lab guys earn 110K or there about. These people have 2% basic as call duty. Doctors have 4% as call duty. The house officers earn like 150k or more. Think about a reg. Whatever it may be, the doctors are the best paid at the moment. Please kulu temper. What I am saying is not gonna affect any negotiations ongoing . |
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vanitty
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Doctors shouldn't go on strike, the same way policemen don't. Infact any job that has to do with public safety are not allowed to strike but what does one do in a country where the government really don't care about the state of the hospitals neither do they want to pay salaries of the professionals.
Only God can help us all.
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ikennahill
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The truth is that doctors go on strike for money,but will fight others from getting good pay is it not ironical I said the problem of healthsector is medical doctors and i have proven it here,when only the head want to grow hydrocephalus set in They buy useless equipment in the hospital and advice government wrongly on other health professional,ie they abuse their management status,md,cmd,committee chairmen,etc see guardian newspaper of 12 September 2009 page 50 and see what doctors have done to this country health sector,this happened in unth where some doctors bought useless equipment for new one,they have been charged to court and who is to blame for all our woes 99% med.drs.  @ reindeer, yes there is PGD in ophthalmology in Nigeria (18 months) and some people call them ophthalmologists. surf the net or go to ecwa kano,national eye centre kaduna you will see some of the students,these people blind people any how. i am educating u well because i do a lot of research,i give facts.The programme was started by medical drs. to checkmate optometrists but they the diplomates are now the biggest headache of ophthalmologists.that was what happened to usa and bin ladden |
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Anabel (f)
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welll, like i said wen i was making my future rules, i can never, i will never marry a doctor. but although my elder bro is 1 and we quarel as if we are cursed but we just dont match eachother. thank God i have never fallen that sick to need a doctor's assistance. they are just so heartless. What the need for saving a life when you don't care about one being lost.
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Nezan (m)
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Going on strike is terribly bad to the medical profession.
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dumodust (m)
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agaba123, i think you may be refering to a sedative like diazepam which can depress repiratory activity in head injured patients. pentazocine and other analgesia may actually help but being an opiod, it may affect the assessment of the pupils. peace bro
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agabaI23 (m)
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No they interfere with pupillary responses necessary for Neurological assessment, not pupillary assesment!
They are therefore contra-indicated in raised intracranial pressure and in head injury. peace!
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zerocool (m)
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Long Story Short!!!, DOCTORS should go on STRIKE if there is NO pay INCREASE.
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MUZBO (m)
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Oyb, jd and some other down-to-earth posters thanks o! This thread eventually became about ikennahill, a jealous optometrist, myopic in both figurative and literal senses with a pathological hatred for Drs that he'll cut his own head off for a headache rather than visit a Dr. But now, sane people have taken over(excluding Anabel). If Drs are the only ones in Naija to have the guts to say enough is enough then others should just fold their arms and watch events unfold rather than complain. Politicians are busy chopping the money and telling you to take it easy and you are listening. PATHETIC!
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ikennahill
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I am never jealous of medical doctors and i am not an optometrist(how i wish i am an optometrist ),i did art courses in sec.school if not i would have loved to be an optometrist.An optometrists saved my eye after i was nearly made blind by ophthalmologist,but that is just by the way.
who told you that it is only doctors that have said enough is enough to government?
rubbish.where dem do am? i
Apart from beko ransome kuti tell me which med.dr ever fought for the mases,
They only fight for their stomach which is not a bad idea, but the bad thing there is that they fight other health professional from filling their own stomach.nobody is folding hand,you people are just the problem .
Fela na medical Dr ? wole soyinka na Medical Dr.?, Gani fawhewemi na medical Dr?. ken saro wiwa na medical Dr?, isaac adaka boro na medical Dr? dele giwa is he a medical dr? tell me if rtd. Rear admiral ndubisi kanu is a medical dr?is bar.keyamo a medical dr? to mention but a few
how many medical drs in govt have ever resigned in this country, tell me where they say enough is enough,
okonjo iwela resigned as a minister, is she a medical doctor,she resigned not minding the consequences,that woman na my president in the making.
medical doctors are making noise now because the minister,minister of state for health are all medical doctors and they believe it is now or never so nobody is deceived.
medical doctors here are the problem of health sector here,but they are falling victim of the system they created,imagine somebody given cash to get equipment buys rubbish,imagine ! they are medical doctor.
You dont know me well so you are free to attack me not the facts raised> why should i jealous medical drs here or anywhere ?You are funny my dear,medical doctors are the jealous ones. i have medical drs in my family but they are not trained here so you see them talk differently and they stand with me in this view. what do our med.dr do here,they fight all health professionals,do things that if it is abroad the med. doctor will be in jail,
They behave like our coach saibu amodu, who caused the failure of eagles but blames kanu,
They go on strike for pay but are never satisfy can you imagine a professor is one of those people that bought rubbish in unth.may god save our health sector.
mbuzo has ego problem but my dear the world is moving, gone are the days when people must read law,medcine,accountancy to be great, so down your ego, you are just dust, nothing but dust,open your eyes and mind and look around you.
i weep for some people they dont know that they live in the past.
I have never envied any doctor(med.dr,vet.drs, optometrists),and i am very happy where i am today.before you will get where i am you will pass through time.my friends that are even consultants in medicine cant match me.I have 15 people on scholarship in various universities here some are doing medicine,law,optometry, literature,sociology,marketing,,etc.my life is okay.i jealous nobody not even the so called nigerian medical drs.so
young man grow up,everybody is important.
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ikennahill
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mzubo is funny,when people criticise med. dr they become insane people to him,tell me what Annabel did to you for you to say she is mad.
pls change
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MUZBO (m)
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mzubo is funny,when people criticise med. dr they become insane people to him,tell me what Annabel did to you for you to say she is mad.
pls change
So you are no more an optometrist, you are now an activist for females. Well use this opportunity to get her number and send her on your fictitious scholarships to medical school. |
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MUZBO (m)
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@ikenna, if you are too primitive to realise that by 'enough is enough' I mean that Drs have looked govt in the eye and said 'we want what we deserve', then I don't know what to tell you. Why should Drs fight for others when they have jealous detractors like you breathing down their necks. BTW tell your precious Anabel that I don reply am but the sexist moderator is censoring me.
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MUZBO (m)
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@ikenna, if you are too primitive to realise that by 'enough is enough' I mean that Drs have looked govt in the eye and said 'we want what we deserve', then I don't know what to tell you. Why should Drs fight for others when they have jealous detractors like you breathing down their necks. BTW tell your precious Anabel that I don reply am but the sexist moderator is censoring me.
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MUZBO (m)
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@moderator, you are clearly not the smartest in the pack are you? Let me teach you your job to save you a headache.
1. Delete Anabel's post so that I'll have nothing to quote then I'll look like a fool rather than yourself looking like a fool.
2. Put me on the proscribed list but I'll be back then we'd really have fun.
3. Get a selective software to censor my posts on this thread because except you do 1 or 2 above then s**t won't stop. Look below.
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mufasa (m)
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Muzbo! is this the same muzbo?MB. Ch.B?
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MUZBO (m)
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Mufasa, how you dey? I no dey see you on FB again o! You be smart guy sha. You feel me?
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MUZBO (m)
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welll, like i said wen i was making my future rules, i can never, i will never marry a doctor. but although my elder bro is 1 and we quarel as if we are cursed but we just dont match eachother. thank God i have never fallen that sick to need a doctor's assistance. they are just so heartless. What the need for saving a life when you don't care about one being lost.
Sharraap dia you this horrid half-baked hog! I'm sick of hearing dumb people like you go: 'I'll never marry a Dr.' yet research shows you'll sleep with them at the slightest opportunity. Your generalisation sucks and you were right about saying you might be cursed. Well, since your brother is a Dr, I hope you have not started sleeping with him yet because thats how it starts with punks like you- arguments then you seduce them. Abeg leave make smart people like me talk. |
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