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edge (m)
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if you take time to study the history of great nations around the world you will find out that at one point or the other they had a revolution.For instance the french revolution that saw to the end of tyrant monarchs.the point here is this no nation moves forward without some king of revolution. with what is happening in nigeria we don't need a prophet to tell of a revolution is the way out, imagine our aviation sector, precious lives wasted everyday and know proper investigation is done to ensure terrorist are not in the nation.see untill our ships begin to sink the maritime sector will not be "looked into" as they say.don't get me wrong this revolution may not be a violent one well i don't know how.it may start in your room., on the pges of newspaper anywhere
THE NIGERIAN REVOLUTION, WHEN AND HOW.what do you think about a nigerian revolution?
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omofineboy (m)
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Until there is a revolution initiated and supported by honest Nigerian youths then this country wont go forward. I am ready anytime.
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Odeku (m)
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Na lie NIGERIA PEOPLE SELF DEY FEAR TO DIE, FELA SAID it, we fear to fight for freedom, we fear to fight for liberty. we have reasons to fear, I no want die, papa dey for house, I nova chop, we are not as brutal and spineless as this other nations.
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omofineboy (m)
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Odeku,
I never know you are this fearful, for great progress to be made there must be sacrifices, even this present democracy we enjoy some people paid dearly for it. I am suprised you can only write and never want to die for a just cause anyway its better for you that the country remains like this especially if everyone is like you, tell me a great country whose people just sat down and eat amala and soup without radicalism towards a great change?
As for me if there is revolution today i dey kampe, during Abacha despotic rule we knew what we went through, some of us were incarcerated and we can still do it.
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Odeku (m)
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Dude its not about been fearful, its the principle and the idea of a radical protest. it won't do no just cause but get you kill and after you are dead, who will lead the liberation? think smart please. there are ways you can get the world to listen to you and make a point, protest is the least favorable one. We all want a better Nigeria but we can't set the stage for people to start acting barbaric. It will only give hoodlums opportunity to steal and loot. Hope you can see my point
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newera (f)
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True revolution start with our mindset. Many blame the government for several evils including corruption but then give and take bribes. We blame jamb officials and yet bribe to get our children into schools. The way most Nigerians are today they will do worse than the present rulers if they get into govt. Its a pity that by our action we believe that if we can't beat them join them. Hardly will a revolution be about violence but rather it is about speaking out for the truth, living what you believe and rejecting the status quo
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Odeku (m)
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Thank you my sister, I just said the same thing in another chat. i am so happy people are seeing the green light, I state again the issue in Nigeria is US Nigerians, we elect this people and we push them to failure, before they are officials no one knows them, but as soon as they are up there, everyone want contracts, and family members want cars houses and other stuff they know this people can't afford, our people need to learn how to SAY NO to people and i can assure you they will perform with no pressure.
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BUSHFELLOW (m)
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odeku, odeku how far come back home and start it why sit back in the state and say what you like come home let's do it together. Blive the you agree to come back home and fight the injustice we are experiencing i will be the first to volunteer myself for your organization. Peace my friend. Come back and let do it like ghandi and martin luther king jnr.
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lewa (m)
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Seems some are having delusions.That wave of revolution was in the 60's and 70's. Long ago you can imagine.We are a corrupt people,all facets of life have Nigerians trying to beat the system,manipulate and even subjugate.Iwonder if the same people would be ready to lay their lives down  |
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edge (m)
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i sincerely respect you idea on this issue, but odeku do you think this revolution must be a warlike or a barbaric thing.IN HiS BOOK "THE SECOND REVOLUTION" REV.SAMADEYEMI noted that the next revolution to come in naija is going to be a thing of the mind what i call mind-volution.99.9% of the problem we have here is a thing of the mind, mental slavery.we have politicians that do not play intellectual and ideology driven politics even our press seem not to have a specific idea they pursue. for instance in the US the republicans have core values they stand for and all party members stand by it you will agre with me that they seem to align with FOX news. on the other hand democrats have their core values and take sides with CNN.see until we have something to stand for a concrete idea we stand for we may not move forward.THE NIGERIAN REVOLUTION I PRAY BE NOT VIOLENT BUT ONLY GOD KNOWS nigerian are fed up lets get set to liberate this nation.
do you know in estonia u have young men of 25 in key positions? here its the 60s game. we have to change this nation comrade ODEKU "THE FUTURE BELONG TO THOSE WHO SEE POSSIBILTIES before THEY BECOME OBVIOUS"
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Drusilla (f)
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Odeku, Tell me about who Fela is? It's kind of of interesting to me that some in America are famously said to be scared of revolution. It was a huge poem in the 1960's, just literally called: Niggers are scared of revolution. As Malcolm X said: Revolution in history has only been one thing: About the Land. Dying/blood for your Land. He laughed at Black Americans so called revolutions that involved neither blood or land. Nigerian scholar Dompere from Howard University, talks about the difference in the nature of revolutions off the continent for Blacks and on the continent -- i.e. on the continent, they found more revolutionary for their land but off the continent --they fought for rights. This is why Continental Africans are so divided because they were forced to fight in bits in pieces against whites, different whites in different areas, with even different colonial languages and different colonial systems. In otherwords Continental Africans have seen the goodness in division. i.e. all whites don't have to leave Africa, but we just want our own land right here. Where as off the Continent Black people have fought amongst whites in a Unified manner. Where you were at, or what language you spoke (Jamaican, Spanish, English) has not mattered. Just as long as you were guilty of the crime in this world off continent of being Black. You fought. Either way On or Off the Continent, Blacks fought against whites but on the Continent in a more revolutionary manner and off the Continent in a more Unified manner. i.e. We must absorb the more revolutionary nature of Africans on the Continent and on the Continent they must absorb the more Unified nature of Africans off the Continent. This is why Dompere is so important to the Afrocentric movement. He is the most important Afrocentric scholar -- in my estimation to come along in many years. He is the only one who has truly been able to come up with a unifying theory of Afrocentrism world wide. The fact that he is Nigerian, and will lead the Afrocentric movement, in America, is just beautiful to me. I believe in that picture of what the Largest Black Nation in the world has to contribute to the Black World. Nigerians think they are so smart but they have no idea how beautiful they are until they "get it" and that smartness is combined with Blackness. They will easily run this whole world. Taking over the Afrocentric movement is just but the first step towards their eventual world domination and greatness. Dompere has easily taken over in Africa-America. The rest of the world is now a matter of time for his ideas to work themselves fully through the Blacks off the continent-- We must become more revolutionary. And Blacks on the Continent -- they must become more Unified.  |
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Donzman (m)
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I have no respect for Malcolm X, he fails to understand that you can achieve alot without violence. War does not determine who is right but who is left. Martin Luther King is the man I have respect for, he achieved his goal without recourse to violence and taking lives. There can be a revolution without massive bloodshed, Malcolm X is wrong and that is that!
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman, Please explain what Malcolm X meant in this famous speech. The Bullet or the Ballot. "The Bullet or the Ballot"
by Malcolm X
Speech delivered in Detroit, April 4, 1964
By ballot I only mean freedom. Don't you know — I disagree with Lomax on this issue — that the ballot is much more important than the dollar? Can I prove it? Yes. Look in the UN. There are poor nations in the UN; yet those poor nations can get together with their voting power and keep the rich nations from making a move. They have one nation — one vote, everyone has an equal vote. And when those brothers from Asia, and Africa and the darker parts of this earth get together, their voting power is sufficient to hold Sam in check. Or Russia in check. Or some other section of the earth in check. So the ballot is most important,
The political philosophy of black nationalism means that the black man should control the politics and the politicians in his own community; no more. The black man in the black community has to be re-educated into the science of politics so he will know what politics is supposed to bring him in return. Don't be throwing out any ballots. A ballot is like a bullet. You don't throw your ballots until you see a target, and if that target is not within your reach, keep your ballot in your pocket. The political philosophy of black nationalism is being taught in the Christian church. It's being taught in the NAACP. It's being taught in CORE meetings. It's being taught in SNCC meetings. It's being taught in Muslim meetings. It's being taught where nothing but atheists and agnostics come together. It's being taught everywhere. Black people are fed up with the dillydallying, pussyfooting, compromising approach that we've been using toward getting our freedom. We want freedom now, but we're not going to get it saying "We Shall Overcome." We've got to fight until we overcome,
Our gospel is black nationalism. We're not trying to threaten the existence of any organization, but we're spreading the gospel of black nationalism. Anywhere there's a church that is also preach and practicing the gospel of black nationalism, join that church. If the NAACP is preaching and practicing the gospel of black nationalism, join the NAACP. If CORE is spreading and practicing the gospel of black nationalism, join CORE. Join any organization that has a gospel that's for the uplift of the black man. And when you get into it and see them pussyfooting or compromising, pull out of it because that's not black nationalism. We'll find another one.
And in this manner, the organizations will increase in number and in quantity and in quality, and by August, it is then our intention to have a black nationalist convention which will consist of delegates from all over the country who are interested in the political, economic and social philosophy of black nationalism. After these delegates convene, we will hold a seminar, we will hold discussions, we will listen to everyone. We want to hear new ideas and new solutions and new answers. And at that time, if we see then to form a black nationalist party, we'll form a black nationalist party, we'll form a black nationalist party. If it's necessary to form a black nationalist army, we'll form a black nationalist army.
It'll be the ballot or the bullet. It'll be liberty or it'll be death. |
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman, Also. Please explain what founding father of America, Patrick Henry meant by: Give me liberty or give me death. Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death! March 23, 1775 By Patrick Henry No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the house. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the house is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at the truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings. Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the numbers of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlement assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free--if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us! They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength but irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come. It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! http://patriotpost.us/histdocs/liberty.htm |
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
Now for the Black Education Quiz of the day, after you complete your homework, above:
1. Why is Malcolm X taught as violent and someone people should turn away from, when he never even slapped a person, after his personal metamorphis, and none of his statements led to war or violence.
2. Yet Patrick Henry is taught as one of the great founding fathers of America and all children are taught to revere him. Even though he was successful in getting his war that ended in many violent bloody deaths of Americans?
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Donzman (m)
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I'm not American and I don't know a thing about Patrick Henry. Malcolm X was a violent person, the cacucus he belonged to were violent, how do you figure he's never slapped anyone?,  I stand by my statement, there can be a revolution without recourse to war or other extreme violent measures. ofcourse a couple of people might die here and there but that is not equal to war. |
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman, The next Black Education question of the day. Why are you having to ask me about Malcolm's violence and the group he belonged to violence? Shouldn't there at least be an internet link to someone they have ever slapped or hurt? In fact the only person it is thought (but not proven) that they have ever hurt is in fact Malcolm X. No evidence for Malcolm X's violence and no evidence for NOI violence. Plenty of evidence for Patrick Henry's violence but Americans are taught to fear Malcolm X and to Revere and Honor Patrick Henry. Whites really do a mind job on people, to get them to hate their own Black folks. LOL In a country that celebrates mass murderer Christopher Columbus and wars in Iraq but calls those people -- violent savages. I expect no less. Smile. LOL America, it takes a little getting used to the sheer hypocrisy of the place and it's beliefs. I stand by my statement, there can be a revolution without recourse to war or other extreme violent measures. ofcourse a couple of people might die here and there but that is not equal to war. Now that you have got your paws off one of the greatest Blackmen to ever live. We can discuss your idea with out resorting to reeducating you. I agree. Dompere agrees. Despite Malcolm X's harsh statements. There in fact was a revolution, Malcolm X is right in that there are no historical examples of this type of revolution, so maybe calling it a revolution is a misnomer but in fact, as even President George Bush said a few weeks ago -- The Civil Rights movement was the second founding of America and changed the whole world. We may have to invent a better word than 'revolution' to describe accurately exactly what these Ghetto Dwellers in America achieved when they believed God for big things and God was able to use the small man Rev. King to deliver them and the world from centuries of outright racial violence and violent domination. I agree with you. Dompere agrees with you. Malcolm X is still right that calling it revolution as traditionally defined is a misnomer though. Malcolm X was just before his time in understanding that something was different about what African Americans were doing. |
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Donzman (m)
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There's nothing great about Malcolm X, his ideology has led to people like you who see white people as evil. There is nothing great about hatred and ideologies that foster it, Malcolm X is as low as rubbish and so is anyone that subscribes to his ideas. Yes you heard me right, MLK is my man. Malcolm X?, You can as well hail Idi Amin of Uganda.
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
I remember that movie I watched recently, showing African children at the end of it, with Nelson Mandela in front of the class, standing up and shouting:
I am Malcolm X.
I for one am thankful, that your Afri-can't attitude is not the norm for Continental Africans.
Even Nelson Mandela participates in celebrating Malcolm X for the great man he was.
But I guess Donzman's even knows better than Nelson Mandela.
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Donzman (m)
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Show me the movie!
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Donzman (m)
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It's a movie trying to project a positive image of a stupid religiously motivated zealot, what do you expect?
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Drusilla (f)
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And they just tricked Nelson Mandela into being in the film, saying He is Malcolm X?
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Donzman (m)
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You're quick, I like that!
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