I tried sending a post on this yesterday but I don't know why it didn't go through after several attempts
an aside: INCEST
Below is a link to a site which discusses moves being made to make incest legal in the US.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/05/02/lawful_incest_may_be_on_its_way/
Lets assume this has been realized. Now it will be repugnant and irritating but in 50 years time, due to long brainwashing with media, it won't be and could find its way into the Nigerian legal system.
Many youths then will advocate for it (people with MRbrownJAY's secular mentality).
They'll say its a thing of Nature and give their own Darwinian theory that in nature it is normal for Mother goat to have sex with its kid the goat son, and Father Goat to do the same with goat daughter. They will tell people who oppose it as being over-religious and are fanatics or cultural conservatives and can even cook up lies that it can put an end to cancer and stop hereditary problems from extending into another family tree.
By then, it won't look so disgusting; It is only usual to follow the ways of the world.
But come to think of it.
It is ONLY our cultural heritage and, to a lesser extent, religious upbringing that makes incest look evil and disgusting and nothing else. If you take that out, our intellect as NOTHING to fall back on to but to accept secular reasoning. Instincts here would be very feeble - You can not prove such feelings to be undeniable
Some Americans are already reasoning towards this saying incest is unavoidable due to various thriving sperm bank businesses and the American ways of living." DNA test is the only way to avoid incest", they say.
(Imagine Americans performing DNA test before sexual relationships)
What ever insidious harm incest will cause could only be known after a long while, but, till then, nothing you can say to disprove it and quack scientist will give theories (not facts) to say its wonderful.
Another aside : A STRONG FEELING
I remember a late night Nigerian radio program some years back where a lady broadcaster asked her listeners, "what would you do when going to bed at night alone and suddenly a strong feeling came up".
She never said what the strong feeling was but stressed the phrase so much that it became obvious what she was referring to and could not be mistaken. To the best of my memory, all that called in were men. They gave examples of what they would do like reading the bible, doing pushups, calling friends, etc but NON of them said anything about masturbation.
The broadcaster was not satisfied and kept repeating her questions stressing the "strong feeling" part as she questioned her callers.
I don't remember exactly how it ended but it was obvious she didn't get what she wanted and the way the men answered shows they understood what she was at but were careful not to slip a word relating to masturbation.Back to the Topic : How to stop masturbation. FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
Masturbation is HABITUAL (This is a fact). WHAT IS ADDICTION?
Masturbation has been with us and some dangers are known.
If anyone feels masturbation is OK then I say they should NOT be concerned about this topic though I stress that everyone should know some dangers and should be able to verify for themselves with common sense rather than let a pervert-turned-sexual-expert tell you things you can easily verify to be illogical.
If masturbation is NOT habitual to you, you would not be frequent with it and would have forgotten about it by now.
So I stress the addiction and sexual degradation aspects of masturbation (where one has difficulty in adapting to his/her spouse to make you drop masturbation for good; This occurs when you have trained your brain and sexual parts to make you a one man/woman sex machine).
Some girls way back in school (though I didn't support their views) often call wankers (who were their flat mates) hermaphrodites with the reason that they don't need the opposite sex to have sexual gratification (It was clear that there had been disputes).
some questions I think every wanker should ask himself or herself :
1. What is addiction?
2. Can I stay for at least a few months without masturbating ?(of course you can move close to your spouse for this test: A lot of people don't know they are addicted until they try this )
3. What HARM will happen to me if I stopped masturbation?
4. What is there to lose if I could stop masturbation?
This questions makes some simple truth clear about addiction and helps one with ones decisions about this issue.
Please go back to the top to see kalujohn's post. Ignore what you think or know you don't need or like but try other logical steps he gave. Persistence is the key to success and it applies here.
Now let me reply my friend who is obviously but unnecessarily threatened. I had to check his previous postings to know the axis of his argument.
To MRbrownJAY
OF COURSE i use to masturbate from a very young age and discovered my sexuality through it. . . . . . . . there is NO shame in my game and i will teach my children that there is absolutely nothing wrong or taboo about it.
teach your kids about sexuality instead of hoping that they pick it up from strangers or religious fanatics.
Now I see you are confused about sexuality and know NOTHING of it . You've been getting it WRONG all along. Sexuality is the AWARENESS of being male or female on the basis of REPRODUCTIVE roles and sexual desires. That is NOT determined by masturbation.
Sexuality is a very deep and complex issue and it determines a homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual person while masturbation doesn't. Masturbation DOESN'T, I repeat, DOESN'T discover sexuality but COULD twist your sexuality (and become a pervert).
YOUR SEXUALITY DETERMINES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHILE YOU LUST SEXUALLY OR MASTURBATE MRbrownJAY ( Gays think of men or boys when they wank for example).First of all , let me just say that you bring some very sound points to the table and i will give you that credit. . . . . . . . now let me try to reply as much as i can to what you wroteThank you. These are obvious points and you would have reached the same points if you were sincere to your soul.
why would you think that pornographic images is the reason why people masturbate?! you are mislead if you believe that. also if you believe that every man masturbate to images of naked women then you have absolutely no idea about what sexuality is all about.I hope you will start at the start of this very post where I CORRECTED you about what sexuality truly is before you decide to reply me (with links to prove yourself).
Please try to read my previous post CAREFULLY. I never wrote that people masturbate because of pornographic images but explained that wankers DO USE pornographic media while or before they wank. And, before you or anyone quote me wrong, I NEVER mentioned that ALL wankers use pornography ( you could be one of the few ones that don't; thoughts of a WELL DRESSED WOMAN would do for you as you wrote in your earlier post).
let me give you a nice example: have you ever been out and about and had a damn erection for no reason whatsoever?! if you are a virile man then you dont need to answer as i already know the answer to that,I don't know why you brought this up here for this has nothing to do with masturbation but I will bring facts about it. Mothers are advice to check their male babies and children when they wake up to see if they have erection as a early sign of potency and this is something Doctors usually ask men as a FIRST check against impotency and NOT LUSTFUL DESIRES. I, and (I suppose) many men wake up and notice this in us without having a urge to have sex.
and guess what?! if you think that the reason people masturbate is because of all the images in the media or girl wearing kinky dresses then i would say you are a fanatic that wishes women would dress like most of the over religious muslims women wearing `burkhas`MRbrownJAY, the topic is :
How To Stop Masturbation and NOT women ways of dressing (phew! what is wrong with you). Stop deviating by bringing up UNRELATED religious resentments. Admit that you have nothing LOGICAL to say concerning the topic.
would you say that in the 70s when there was no mobile phones and internet youngsters masturbated less?! of course not, they did because it is a natural thing that happens when a man comes of age or even beforeWrong! Kids of tender ages ARE NOT DIRTY at heart like adults (PLEASE GET THAT RIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL) . They say and do things with respect to what they hear and see with much innocence about its harm but they are not dummies. They know when adults try to hide tapes and magazines away from them and are very curious. Kids and youngster's are known to act out (or commit) incest after sneaking to watch their father's (or any other adult's) porn tapes. Teens are more aware about their sexuality NATURALLY and it is ONLY then can they masturbate when the urge surges NOT the other way round.
an aside: Porn movies do sell; WHY do people buy or order these movies if they can rely on thoughts of WELL dressed or SKIMPY dressed women like you do?
What influence does it have adults when they drool unknowingly while watching (AND DON'T TELL ME THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SEX)?
More importantly WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN OR AFTER VIEWING PORN MOVIES ALL ALONE (lets assume your partner is not around, you are NOT impotent and you want to stay INSIDE. Do you simply walk away or MORE UNLIKELY, go directly to sleep?
What do you think CHILDREN will do if they get hold of such films? After all when we were, kids, we acted out BRUCE LEE and other action films after viewing it (SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE NO IDEA OF IF WE DIDN'T VIEW IT IN THE FIRST PLACE)
. of course gfs and mothers would not be happy about what they saw but if you asked fathers and brothers they would say that it is part of growing as a teenager/young adult. yes masturbation is TABOO in families but that doesnt automatically make it WRONGNow you INFER that women are selfish deceitful pretenders . They masturbate because it is natural (This is what YOU have been stressing all along ) but don't want husbands, boyfriends and sons doing it.
Fathers and brothers, typical of most men, are shy to discuss the issue with their children and brothers face to face respectively. You can go back to the beginning of this post to see an example I gave on it. In my earlier post on this topic, in the first paragraph (do care to check), I wrote that man's Greatest Weakness is his Strength. Men usually avoid talking about this issue and tag it as UNMANLY
To prove this, how Many times (if it ever occurred at all) do men walk up to their peer groups (and even intimate friends) and say boldly , " I wanked the swell hell out of my self overnight"? You see them talk about sex and girls and not about wanking. Whose that man who wants to be seen as a LOSER or UNMANLY by others even if they ALL happen to do it secretly?
please do enlighten me and let me know who made the rules to define masturbation as ab ad habit?! you and the over religious people who are trying to force THEIR way of life unto others?! just let people be themselves and do what they feel is right for them.Sucking thumbs is considered a bad habit and mothers put their children to correction. Why?
Who made that rule?(Mind you some grown ups still suck their thumb. Do you?). Imagine Nigerians sucking thumbs about because mothers could not find a SECULAR reason why it is a bad habit

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You brhabitme as over-religious. I never based my argument on religion. But if I have hurt your way of living please Ignore me. The topic, I repeat, is "How to stop masturbation". since you don't want to stop, You can continue. You don't have to keep posting and trying to force your lifestyle on everyone just to make yourself FEEL normal.

nobody should feel that they are doing anything wrong, if someone decide to stay chaste because of their beliefs then so be it and on the other hand if someone wants to fornicate then let them be and live with the consequences of their actionsPlease go back and read my earlier post very well. I gave an ANALOGY using fornication to explain something about branding. Masturbation is branded NORMAL by quacks. Which means those who don't and those TRYING to stop are the ABNORMAL ones, since, according to these quacks, masturbation is natural.
dont make it like all the people who doing it growing up are making a mistake.You turn earthworms to snakes.
masturbation is a necessity for youngsters out there to know themselves and the feelings of arousal. its the start to a discovery that will lead them to understand and want to get more of the great feeling of sex. . . . some might do it more often than other(it is a great feeling afterall) but not all get addicted to masturbation.MRbrownJAY, are you the type of person who will stumble upon your 9 to 12 years old niece/nephew masturbating then give her/him a pat in the head and say playfully "You are DISCOVERING yourself! its NATURAL!"

? I hope not

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About addiction, I think you are addicted. Confirm that you are not ; try abstaining for a few months
(It will prove you can do WITHOUT it - I doubt that greatly with the way you argue).
what is wrong with having fantasies, isnt RELIGION one of the greatest fantasies out there?! let people do what they please and stop trying to blame their so called vices to push a bigger vice like religion unto them. You don't even reflect on YOUR own previous posts. Go and read your own earlier posts. Fantasies was NOT the main issue here at all. It is about masturbating where you said wankers can continue
till the day that THEY feel that they know about themselves and find someone that will bring that beautiful feeling they get when touching themselves
(remember your own words?) and I still insist its all a fantasy from fallacies which can NEVER come true. Stop dreaming.
come on, thats the basics of any relationship. . . . . not everybody is sexually compatible. if a person require some sexual satisfaction that his spouse is not willing or able to do then that person will be sexually frustrated. after repressing his own sexual being for so long to please his/her spouse, that person will be bound for sexual frustration and only a good jerk will get him to see the light.sometimes cheating do also solve that problem.
its all about compatibility and since we know that people like you preach no sex before marriage, then it might be more prevalent than most in these cases. the catch is to make sure that they are over-religious enough to repress their sexuality over faith and live in their misery for the rest of their lives.Yet again, this is ABNORMAL situation for HAPPY spouses (and do happy spouses CHEAT?).
COUNSELING is the right step forward for such situations (it may be MORE than it seems to the eye). Masturbation,in THIS situation, if depended upon, will ONLY make each spouse feel they can do without each other sexually (one man/woman sex machine).
sometimes cheating do also solve that problem.
its all about compatibility and since we know that people like you preach no sex before marriage, then it might be more prevalent than most in these cases. the catch is to make sure that they are over-religious enough to repress their sexuality over faith and live in their misery for the rest of their lives.Again you know NOTHING of what you preach. YOUR SEXUALITY DETERMINES WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHILE YOU HAVE SEXUAL THOUGHTS.
In other words, it is determined BEFORE you even have ANY idea about wanking.Masturbation is just sexual stimulation to attain sexual pleasure (AWARENESS OF SEXUALITY MUST ALREADY EXIST) by RUBBING your sexual organs. Look it up in any dictionary.
you are talking like the previous generation failed in some ways and that we have to bring it back to some former glories LOL . . . . . please do show me where the previous generation went wrong due to masturbation? do also show me where this genration is going wrong due to masturbation?The past had some issues which were well contained to a large extent but such issues now plague our own time and could no longer be contained effectively and instead of finding solutions to it people (LIKE YOU) try to make it normal SINCE THE MAJORITY (or a LARGE faction of the ELITE) DO IT. What went wrong and how can we improve or resolve the situations in our own time (which is going from bad to worse)?
Masturbation was not glorified in the past unlike our own time (the same thing goes for homosexuality which is being gradually glorified).
Glorification of incest is on its way and you say the past is not important for us to know how things went wrong in our own time! Knowing what lead to a problem is problem half-solved.
i see absolutely nothing wrong with the youngsters who masturbates over the ones that doesnt but if you know something i dont then please share it with us.I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. How can you tell youngsters apart with respect to those who masturbate and those who don't in the first place? Do you spy on a few youngsters on regular basis for your analysis? Who are these youngsters you referred to ? Are you a pervert?
I suggest you start reading all previous posts (Including your own posts) starting from the first one. I don't know if you do concentrate at all or REMEMBER previous posts.