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frankiriri (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #64 on: November 22, 2006, 05:28 PM »

@ gbengaijot
I have a friend ,who is in the Us, that is also investing. All he is doing is to transfer the funds through IBTC's correspondent bank to their stock broking outlet. He was asked to download the form, fill  and scan it and then send it to them. That way the shares are recorded directly in his name.
frankiriri (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #65 on: November 22, 2006, 05:30 PM »

@ josho.
Yes, the transcorp offer is another big one. I can't confirm as at today, that the offer will be at N6. The only thing I remember seeing was that they'll be coming out in December.
tayo akin (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #66 on: November 22, 2006, 05:53 PM »

I don't think the price per unit of transcorp is =N=6.00 as speculated in the newspapers. The Group MD only said that the price will be competitive and affordable. How does that translate to =N=6.00 ?

Obalola
joshO (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #67 on: November 23, 2006, 03:26 PM »

Well, looks like TransCorp listed today for N6.00,  as far as I can remember, this was also the price during the Private Placement,  so in spite of the acqusitions (Mtel et all), the value has remained more or less static. Therefore, I think it's a good buy.

I'll ask my broker to acquire the stocks for me now rather than wait for the IPO, which would almost certainly be higher.


frankiriri (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #68 on: November 23, 2006, 03:49 PM »

If na u u go sell  for 6 and suffer commisions. It will definately go higher and then they'll do the IPO at a discount to the bidded up mkt price.
gbengaijot (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #69 on: November 23, 2006, 04:26 PM »

they've been listed today at 6 naira

check this link http://www.cslstockbrokers.com/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=7&pageid=95

so when are they going to list their IPO?, i just hope that if we buy the stock now, they will not come again with the IPO as 3 naira per share,


What do you guys think?>
joshO (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #70 on: November 23, 2006, 04:32 PM »

Thinking about it, those that bought @ N6 and had their money tied down for one year now may not have fared so well, as things currently stand. ,  giving that during this time, the market has been remarkably bulish,

For this reason, I doubt they'll sell for less than N6 at IPO.
gbengaijot (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #71 on: November 23, 2006, 04:35 PM »

you probably might be right man, even tho its 6 naira per share, i might still buy 2000 units.

I don't invest any money i can't afford to loose anyway, lol


freelance (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #72 on: November 23, 2006, 05:37 PM »

@ Frankiriri
 What do u mean by saying am just seeking attention.From who am i even seeking the attention. You should always learn to respect other members of this group. Any post i have on this forum is my own opinion, which could be right or wrong.
  I shared my opinion about mutual funds,period!. You just exhibited a high level of immaturity.
About mutual funds, it depends on the type of investor you are.To me mutual funds is for people that want long term investments. I am not saying mutual funds are bad but its not the best for investors who want to make short term profits.
Take care and Godspeed
 
 

freelance (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #73 on: November 24, 2006, 08:52 AM »

The Dangote Offer is sure a very good offer. I have no doubt that it would be well subscribed if not over subscribed. Learnt some foreign firms wanted to buy the 30% dangote wanted to sell but he insisted Nigerians must also benefit from it. Dangote is a household name and i feel its ok to buy.
Take care all and Godspeed
frankiriri (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #74 on: November 24, 2006, 01:58 PM »

@freelance
Its a pity you think I'm immature but as you said I was just expressing my own opinion also. You have however resorted to name calling.
Anyway I've removed the offensive part of that post.

You go all out in recommending that people pick certain stocks and then turn around to poo poo mutual funds, that's not the sign of someone who is financially savvy.
I'm not claiming to be a Capital market expert but I will have you know that I am chartered accountant and a student member of the chartered instutute of stockbrokers.
By taking a plunge into picking stocks on his own the individual investor is taking more risk than if he holds a well diversified mutual fund. 
The stock market is not for anyone who wants to make short term profits. While prices may rise in the short term there is no guarntee that any one stock will do well in the short term. So your arguement flies in its own face.
I personallly take my chances by picking stocks on my own but I know the risk involved. If the appreciation in prices don't materialise I hold on and wait.
For example I invested in Platinum in Dec last year hoping that they'll rise like other newly listed stocks only to for the priceto be placed on a technical suspension that lasted forever.
Anyway sha I don't want to join issues with you. In fact to show say I no get anything for mind, I have asked you for advise on forming an investment club.
I take it that you haven't read that post.

We no dey fight o!.
Na wetin u dey find I dey find.  we are all trying to "hammer"
No vex



frankiriri (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #75 on: November 24, 2006, 02:10 PM »

@gbengaijot
I'm almost certain that the shares will be very scarce until it has been bidded up to a point that it will be profitable for those that took part in the private placement.
If you can get the shares to buy at anything close to the N6. then it will be a bargain. From all the feelers from the promoters they may be targeting N10-12. At which point they may then do the IPO at a dicount  to that price
freelance (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #76 on: November 24, 2006, 02:37 PM »

@ Frankiriri
   No hard feelings. As you said na d same we all they find. So make we help eachother. No probs. Congrats Frankiriri ACA,. But i don't think i recommend stocks for people. Its all good, anything you feel its best for you invest in. I have some friends that never invest in stocks and prefer to do business and they ar doing very well. So its all good.
Take care and see u @ the top !
joshO (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #77 on: November 24, 2006, 04:49 PM »

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until it has been bidded up to a point that it will be profitable for those that took part in the private placement

This is an interesting concept I've always been keen to understand,  for example, soon as Union bank was lifted from technical suspension, it was unavailable to buy @ N25 until it got to N32.50. 

So, TransCorp (or whatever company), could keep some funds  aside to 'bid-up' (buy-back) shares, thereby influencing the price in the short term,  or is this siege the work of institutional investors?

I haven't instructed my broker yet, but I've wired the funds from the UK for this to be bought because @ N6 - 9, in the short term, I think it's better value for money than even DSR
frankiriri (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #78 on: November 24, 2006, 05:50 PM »

@Josho
Almost all the companies that want to raise funds in Nigeria first of all bid up their prices by asking their brokers to buy shares as at increasing prices. Most of those that bought into transcorp initially are insiders and they would just be trading the shares between themselves in order to bid up the price.
From my calculations It will take them about 2weeks of trading for the price to hit N10. ( the maximum price gain a stock is allowed is 5%)
So lets see if you can get it to buy within that period.

I don't think you should compare it with Dangote.
With Dangote you'll be getting a company whose fundamntal information you can vouch. They have a trading record to back their price but with Transcorp it's only the assets ( some of which are of doubtful value) and the pedigree of the directors that u can rely on. In one of the posts on this thread the issue of political risk was raised, this will apply even more to Transcorp than it will DSR.
I am investing in both of them but I wont sacrifice Dangote for Transcorp.
gbengaijot (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #79 on: November 25, 2006, 01:28 AM »

i think dunlop has another pblic offer out now,

Making three in circulation. As fasr as i am concern, am investing in all this offer altogether.


http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/business/article06
joshO (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #80 on: November 25, 2006, 09:56 AM »

I'm investing in both DSR and TransCorp,  equally. TransCorp is a more recent decision, but I'm not bothered by political risks. I doubt that will affect TransCorp. It's highly unlikely that any goverment in power will go against them.

Any ideas when TransCorp IPO is starting?
frankiriri (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #81 on: November 25, 2006, 12:34 PM »

The political risks sorrounding Transcorp derives from the fact that Obj has a strong interest in it and it can be claimed that thimgs were not done above board.
My confidence lies more in the fact that the transcations would have progressed to a state where  they'll be almost irreversible.
joshO (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #82 on: November 25, 2006, 08:09 PM »

That's also the main source of my confidence and reason I'm willing to invest inin TransCorp. However, the influence of the directors + the fact that Nitel is likely to fare much better under TransCorp plays a big part too.

Thinking about it, it's perception of risk like this that have made millionaires out of some shrewd investors. Yes, there is a lack of trading record, but something tells me TransCorp will fly. This is the scenario I see unfolding,

A new goverment will come in and give the thumbs up to TransCorp (I'm confident this will happen. Let's not kid ourselves. The 17Billion Nairia raised during the private placement, you'll find many many industrialists, senators and assembly men where investors here!). Then forget any probe for the next 8 years. It'll be praises all the way to a group of individuals for turning around an ailing giant, !
Iyke-D (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #83 on: November 26, 2006, 05:36 AM »

Guys, don't forget also that the biggest banks in the country are the biggest shareholders of Transcorp as well - these
guys did their homework!.  A year or two from now, the country will be more concerned with whatever so-called sweet
deals the succeeding government will be offering to its backers and less about Transcorp.

On its parts, a NITEL turnaround and other bold moves by Transcorp will further its PR battles. The best thing that might
have happened to Transcorp yet was the revelation that Obasanjo though his farm was a shareholder.  That, and the
subsequent probe by the EFCC has quickened the debate about the company's true ownership. I believe this has greatly
lessen its political risk. I am yet to see a broker that is not pushing Transcorp right now - most think it will be a good buy
tayo akin (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #84 on: November 26, 2006, 06:40 PM »

Hi Iyke D,
               I personally enjoyed your analysis on this forum and for sometime now,I have been following your write up on Transcorp and I really enjoyed it. You have done justice to the discussion as a true analyst and an entrepreneur. I would have love to speak to you but such a shame that people cannot connect together on this forum.
Anyway keep the good work going. Thank you again.
my2cents (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #85 on: November 28, 2006, 03:41 PM »

freelance,

u can't just flat out say people shdnt invest in mutual funds (aka "unit trusts" in naija).  They have their place.  Those who are sort of risk-averse should consider this.  Of course, there are commissions involved and the rate of returns aren't that high, but with a sound investment strategy, that shdnt be a problem.  Besides, with a unit trust, you are the owner of a basket of stocks which helps spread your risk around, as opposed to say, investing in 2 or 3 stocks only.  Worse-case, you can invest directly (stocks) and indirectly (unit trusts) at the same time.

What should be of more importance is how the unit trust is performing against the ASI.  I would personally recommend unit trusts to anyone who is into the market for the first time.  As always, any stock market investments should be seen as long-term and investors should be aware of the risk of losing it all.  In other words, don't be trigger-happy  Cool

But of course, wetin I sabi?  Just my 2 cents  Wink
joshO (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #86 on: November 28, 2006, 04:40 PM »

Quite interesting article on TransCorp / Dangote sugar IPO's,  should make good reading for all descerning investors.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/columns/franklyspeaking/fs26112006.html
frankiriri (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #87 on: December 01, 2006, 11:49 AM »

Has any body been able to buy the transcorp shares yet.  The price is now N8.02/ share. It has been moving at the full 5 % daily maximum .
my2cents (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #88 on: December 01, 2006, 12:24 PM »

frankiriri,

woooow! i remember when it was 50 Kobo  Shocked

I use a stockbroker.  My broker says that it is veeery hard t get as demand is veeeery high.  So it is best going through them as they buy in bulk after which they sell it piece-meal to their clients.

So, if u don't hv a broker already and you really need to buy transcorp stock, you might want to go that route  Wink

I hope this helps.


joshO (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #89 on: December 01, 2006, 03:49 PM »

Scarce for me too, and it closed @ 8.42 today, not bad for those initial PP investors who got in @ 6. 

My sources tell me the IPO will be set @ 10, so this growth may continue until it hits 12. 

I'll keep trying for another week, then invest @ IPO if not unsuccessful.
my2cents (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #90 on: December 01, 2006, 03:54 PM »

joshO,

I know someone, asssuming she is telling me the truth, who got in at 50 kobo.  The girl is swimming in it Grin
frankiriri (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #91 on: December 01, 2006, 04:00 PM »

@my2cents
She's not telling the truth. The private placement was at N6. That was their first share issue excercise.
The brokers are having a field day marking up the price in prepartion for the IPO ( as I predicted earlier.) Just hope they don't push it to the point where it becomes unrealistic.
If the price becomes too high the best best may be wait for the IPO.
joshO (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #92 on: December 01, 2006, 04:01 PM »

Interesting,  I thought it started @ N1 for the core investors, the Dangote, Elumelu and Ovia types and moved to N6 @ the Private Placement.  Would be interested to see where the 50K fits in this equation.

But if it's true, depending on how much she invested, she may be up to her eyes in money for a long time to come,
Iyke-D (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #93 on: December 03, 2006, 01:19 AM »

All,

Take it from me - Transcorp's shares effectively split once they got listed. Private placement was at N6.00 but
with a par value of N1.  However, the introduction was done at 50K par value.  To put it shortly, if you bought
500 shares during the private placement, you now own 1000 shares - factoring the current price of the share,
you are looking at a 180% growth already (if my math is correct)! - It is a fact.
joshO (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #94 on: December 03, 2006, 11:43 AM »

I confirmed this on Friday too. Well deserved for thos who invested much earlier when things were less certain and risk higher.

I had to review downward significantly, my investment in Dangote IPO on brokers advice of likely oversubscription.

Is it getting clearer when the TransCorp IPO's scheduled and for how much?  Also, any word on expected dividends / revenue in first year of operation?
ebony9ja (m)
Re: Impending IPO Of Dangote Sugar Refinery
« #95 on: December 04, 2006, 02:47 PM »

IPO is schedule to open Dec 18th.  Proposed dividend is N1.50. Though i doubt if IPO subscribers will enjoy proposed dividend for the year. In the next year or two, only private placement subcribers will reap immediate gains. Infact they have  started reaping already as the cumulative price appreciation is already hitting 200% (private placement was offered for ordinary share of N1 each  at N6 per share)  .IPO will probably come out between N10 - N12.
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