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well Islam cliamed that Jesus never died that he was taken up. the person that was truly crucified according to the quaran was Judas. ok!!
how it hapeened was that God super impose the features of jesus on Judas there and then was mistaken for Jesus, later crucified all according to the quaran
But with all due repsect for islam i stand to defer for some logical reasons:
If judas was crucified as Jesus then Jesus must have indeed commited a crime . does the quaran give the crime he commited
if truly there was a face off Judas still maintianed his consciousness he could have easily refuted the cliams that got Jesus in trouble and saved is neck but this did not happen.
From background Judas was a bad greedy man. how coulod thesame judas crucified on the cross utter those seven word on the cross.
if you were judas and you find yourself in that situation what will you do i bet you will leave everboy in no doubt about who you are in words and in action
please i will need some good answer from all christain antagonist
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uplawal (f)
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@grace, pls save your preaching o, cos i was more born again than ure,i tell u, u still in total darkness if ure still in christianity, if u dnt wanna go to hell i tell u accept ISLAM and say lai lah illa lah,and dnt associate partner to him e.g holy spirit, jesus(pbuh).jesus never died,no blood was shed in his case,and everyone for himself as regards to sins,and also there is nothing like original sin, cos God forgave Adam and Eve, so in essence every new born child is without sin, so dnt think God's mission was to come down as a man (jesus) to die for sins of mankind for scriptured to be fulfilled, if think so, thats illogical and it wont take u anywhere,my 2cents
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grace5
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@ uplawal
Islam will not take you to heaven only believe in work of the cross,you are speaking to a former Muslim.
now in light out of darkness.
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
3Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one (A)is born again he cannot see (B)the kingdom of God."
or try this
3 فَأَجَابَهُ يَسُوعُ: «الْحَقَّ الْحَقَّ أَقُولُ لَكَ: لاَ أَحَدَ يُمْكِنُهُ أَنْ يَرَى مَلَكُوتَ اللهِ إِلاَّ إِذَا وُلِدَ مِنْ جَدِيدٍ».
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uplawal (f)
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ure deceived already and i wont blame those that hijacked u cos u were very weak as a muslim and u know nothing about ISLAM, i still dnt get the cross thing ure saying, or ure believing jesus died? oh dear u were never a muslima cos we muslim believe in jesus as aprophet and not as God and never came to die for your sins, ah st paul ti gba gbogbo yin and hes really leading souls to hell, i tell u, u berra repent and turn to ALLAH
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grace5
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ure deceived already and i wont blame those that hijacked u cos u were very weak as a muslim and u know nothing about ISLAM, i still dnt get the cross thing ure saying, or ure believing jesus died? oh dear u were never a muslima cos we muslim believe in jesus as aprophet and not as God and never came to die for your sins, ah st paul ti gba gbogbo yin and hes really leading souls to hell, i tell u, u berra repent and turn to ALLAH
You really miss it,you need help which i can do,actually if you live in Uk i can help. check this. [color=#990000]14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[b] have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
10 أَجَابَهُ يَسُوعُ: «أَنْتَ مُعَلِّمُ إِسْرَائِيلَ وَلاَ تَعْلَمُ هَذَا!
11 الْحَقَّ الْحَقَّ أَقُولُ لَكَ: إِنَّنَا نَتَكَلَّمُ بِمَا نَعْلَمُ وَنَشْهَدُ بِمَا رَأَيْنَا، وَمَعَ ذلِكَ لاَ تَقْبَلُونَ شَهَادَتَنَا.
12 إِنْ كُنْتُ حَدَّثْتُكُمْ بِأُمُورِ الأَرْضِ وَلَمْ تُؤْمِنُوا، فَكَيْفَ تُؤْمِنُونَ إِنْ حَدَّثْتُكُمْ بِأُمُورِ السَّمَاءِ؟
13 وَمَا صَعِدَ أَحَدٌ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ إِلاَّ الَّذِي نَزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ، وَهُوَ ابْنُ الإِنْسَانِ الَّذِي هُوَ فِي السَّمَاءِ.
14 وَكَمَا عَلَّقَ مُوسَى الْحَيَّةَ فِي الْبَرِّ يَّةِ، فَكَذلِكَ لاَ بُدَّ مِنْ أَنْ يُعَلَّقَ ابْنُ الإِنْسَانِ،
15 لِتَكُونَ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ لِكُلِّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ.
16 لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ اللهُ الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ، لِكَيْ لاَ يَهْلِكَ كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ.
17 فَإِنَّ اللهَ لَمْ يُرْسِلِ ابْنَهُ إِلَى الْعَالَمِ لِيَدِينَ الْعَالَمَ، بَلْ لِيَخْلُصَ الْعَالَمُ بِهِ،
18 فَالَّذِي يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ لاَ يُدَانُ، أَمَّا الَّذِي لاَ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ فَقَدْ صَدَرَ عَلَيْهِ حُكْمُ الدَّيْنُونَةِ، لأَنَّهُ لَمْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاسْمِ ابْنِ اللهِ الْوَحِيدِ.
19 وَهَذَا هُوَ الْحُكْمُ: إِنَّ النُّورَ قَدْ جَاءَ إِلَى الْعَالَمِ، وَلكِنَّ النَّاسَ أَحَبُّوا الظُّلْمَةَ أَكْثَرَ مِنَ النُّورِ، لأَنَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ كَانَتْ شِرِّيرَةً.
20 فَكُلُّ مَنْ يَعْمَلُ الشَّرَّ يُبْغِضُ النُّورَ، وَلاَ يَأْتِي إِلَيْهِ مَخَافَةَ أَنْ تُفْضَحَ أَعْمَالُهُ.
21 وَأَمَّا الَّذِي يَسْلُكُ فِي الْحَقِّ فَيَأْتِي إِلَى النُّورِ لِتَظْهَرَ أَعْمَالُهُ وَيَتَبَيَّنَ أَنَّهَا عُمِلَتْ بِقُوَّةِ اللهِ».
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its u that needs help, and why do u care to know if i live in the uk, u said something about the serpernts being lifted up, and u never realised Allah lifted jesus up saving him from the crucifixion and shameful death, keep gulking, u need proper coaching on the QURAN the light to mankind
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@kola,
« #20 on: July 14, 2009, 01:25 PM »
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Do you know the reason for the new testament?
Yes i know the reason for the NT, the reason is very simple, the NT has suceededin causing confusion for the xtians word.
1.Its main reason is to tell the xtians that the one true god of the OT has changed to a 3 headed god called trinity
2. and also he now has a son called jesus
3.And that same son is also the god (dont know if he gave birth to himself)
4.That the god died on a tree called cross/calvary
5.That the god is no more 1 but 1/3 =1
6.Paul is the principal writer who claimed to be inspried
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uplawal (f)
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@Alimat, paul the anti-christ, he would receive the greatest portion of purnishment cos he misled many and turned them away from God, he exchanged laws for grace,and they are so darf that they dnt know that thru laws itself u can attain grace by only Allah
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manmacho
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can you please explain my question from an islamic point of view all ye active islamic participant
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uplawal (f)
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have u not gotten the answers from peoples post, i think u started the thread
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manmacho
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no, no answers yet
just some cliam about judas crucifixion according to the quaran
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May kelly (f)
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Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. John 8:42
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manmacho
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Re: Jesus Said
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well Islam cliamed that Jesus never died that he was taken up. the person that was truly crucified according to the quaran was Judas. ok!!
how it hapeened was that God super impose the features of jesus on Judas there and then was mistaken for Jesus, later crucified all according to the quaran
But with all due repsect for islam i stand to defer for some logical reasons:
If judas was crucified as Jesus then Jesus must have indeed commited a crime . does the quaran give the crime he commited
if truly there was a face off Judas still maintianed his consciousness he could have easily refuted the cliams that got Jesus in trouble and saved is neck but this did not happen.
From background Judas was a bad greedy man. how coulod thesame judas crucified on the cross utter those seven word on the cross.
if you were judas and you find yourself in that situation what will you do i bet you will leave everboy in no doubt about who you are in words and in action
please i will need some good answer from all christain antagonist
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uplawal (f)
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@may kelly,he said that cos he knows God is greater than him and he is only a prophet sent by God , so u should love him and accept him as one but not God
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Insert Quote ure deceived already and i wont blame those that hijacked u cos u were very weak as a muslim and u know nothing about ISLAM, i still dnt get the cross thing ure saying, or ure believing jesus died? oh dear u were never a muslima cos we muslim believe in jesus as aprophet and not as God and never came to die for your sins, ah st paul ti gba gbogbo yin and hes really leading souls to hell, i tell u, u berra repent and turn to ALLAH na waaaooo |
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Insert Quote Re: Jesus Said « #96 on: Today at 12:24:59 PM » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- well Islam cliamed that Jesus never died that he was taken up. the person that was truly crucified according to the quaran was Judas. ok!! how it hapeened was that God super impose the features of jesus on Judas there and then was mistaken for Jesus, later crucified all according to the quaran But with all due repsect for islam i stand to defer for some logical reasons: If judas was crucified as Jesus then Jesus must have indeed commited a crime . does the quaran give the crime he commited if truly there was a face off Judas still maintianed his consciousness he could have easily refuted the cliams that got Jesus in trouble and saved is neck but this did not happen. From background Judas was a bad greedy man. how coulod thesame judas crucified on the cross utter those seven word on the cross. if you were judas and you find yourself in that situation what will you do i bet you will leave everboy in no doubt about who you are in words and in action please i will need some good answer from all christain antagonist Posted on: Today at 01:57:17 PMPosted by: May kelly CAN I GET A SIMPLE EXPLANATION TO THESE ISLAMIC FAITHFUL. Y DO I HAVE A FEELING THAT YOU CANNOT EXPLIAN Y |
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@manmako/
Asking about the crime of Jesus frm the Koranic view? Is jesus a criminer? i will advise u to read your bible very what the crime of jesus is before non belivers in his time decide to crucify him.
About judas/jesus and the miracles on the cross? Have u forgotten that God can do whatever he wishes, Did u know the miracles of God on how u re born?. Kept on wondering about that until death catch up on u(not wishing u death oooo)just a warning for your soul and not u.
Did u know that if God wanna handle your case u can start speaking ghana without being there?
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Asking about the crime of Jesus frm the Koranic view? Is jesus a criminer? i will advise u to read your bible very what the crime of jesus is before non belivers in his time decide to crucify him.
About judas/jesus and the miracles on the cross? Have u forgotten that God can do whatever he wishes, Did u know the miracles of God on how u re born?. Kept on wondering about that until death catch up on u(not wishing u death oooo)just a warning for your soul and not u.
Did u know that if God wanna handle your case u can start speaking ghana without being there? Dear you have not answered my quaetion i will like you to read it carefully agian no sentiment 1.) God has given us liberty as men to make choices he will never at any time take that away from us not even Judas. there are some demand God as placed on you it is a choice to get it done . we remein a free moral agent. 2.)really one thing lead to another i suppose u understand the quaranic account of the death of judas better . so my question is what did he do in according to the quaran that warrant is death or were the soldiers also hypnotised by God also 3.) is it possibble for him to talk on the cross to a God he never knew. i will like you to give me answer according to each of this qeustions Thanks |
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kola oloye (m)
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You really miss it,you need help which i can do,actually if you live in Uk i can help.
check this.
[color=#990000]14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[b] have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
10 أَجَابَهُ يَسُوعُ: «أَنْتَ مُعَلِّمُ إِسْرَائِيلَ وَلاَ تَعْلَمُ هَذَا!
11 الْحَقَّ الْحَقَّ أَقُولُ لَكَ: إِنَّنَا نَتَكَلَّمُ بِمَا نَعْلَمُ وَنَشْهَدُ بِمَا رَأَيْنَا، وَمَعَ ذلِكَ لاَ تَقْبَلُونَ شَهَادَتَنَا.
12 إِنْ كُنْتُ حَدَّثْتُكُمْ بِأُمُورِ الأَرْضِ وَلَمْ تُؤْمِنُوا، فَكَيْفَ تُؤْمِنُونَ إِنْ حَدَّثْتُكُمْ بِأُمُورِ السَّمَاءِ؟
13 وَمَا صَعِدَ أَحَدٌ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ إِلاَّ الَّذِي نَزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ، وَهُوَ ابْنُ الإِنْسَانِ الَّذِي هُوَ فِي السَّمَاءِ.
14 وَكَمَا عَلَّقَ مُوسَى الْحَيَّةَ فِي الْبَرِّ يَّةِ، فَكَذلِكَ لاَ بُدَّ مِنْ أَنْ يُعَلَّقَ ابْنُ الإِنْسَانِ،
15 لِتَكُونَ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ لِكُلِّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ.
16 لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ اللهُ الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ، لِكَيْ لاَ يَهْلِكَ كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ.
17 فَإِنَّ اللهَ لَمْ يُرْسِلِ ابْنَهُ إِلَى الْعَالَمِ لِيَدِينَ الْعَالَمَ، بَلْ لِيَخْلُصَ الْعَالَمُ بِهِ،
18 فَالَّذِي يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ لاَ يُدَانُ، أَمَّا الَّذِي لاَ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ فَقَدْ صَدَرَ عَلَيْهِ حُكْمُ الدَّيْنُونَةِ، لأَنَّهُ لَمْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاسْمِ ابْنِ اللهِ الْوَحِيدِ.
19 وَهَذَا هُوَ الْحُكْمُ: إِنَّ النُّورَ قَدْ جَاءَ إِلَى الْعَالَمِ، وَلكِنَّ النَّاسَ أَحَبُّوا الظُّلْمَةَ أَكْثَرَ مِنَ النُّورِ، لأَنَّ أَعْمَالَهُمْ كَانَتْ شِرِّيرَةً.
20 فَكُلُّ مَنْ يَعْمَلُ الشَّرَّ يُبْغِضُ النُّورَ، وَلاَ يَأْتِي إِلَيْهِ مَخَافَةَ أَنْ تُفْضَحَ أَعْمَالُهُ.
21 وَأَمَّا الَّذِي يَسْلُكُ فِي الْحَقِّ فَيَأْتِي إِلَى النُّورِ لِتَظْهَرَ أَعْمَالُهُ وَيَتَبَيَّنَ أَنَّهَا عُمِلَتْ بِقُوَّةِ اللهِ».
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My dear, let me tell you something.Most of these so called Muslim brothers and sister cannot read Quran. Arabic is another jingles that is beyond their comprehension. Not all of them know the reason behind the "five pillars of Islam'. It is what the Imam OR the Mallam tells them that they believe. May God open their eyes to see the hope of glory in Christ Jesus. |
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@kola,
« #20 on: July 14, 2009, 01:25 PM »
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Do you know the reason for the new testament?
Yes i know the reason for the NT, the reason is very simple, the NT has suceededin causing confusion for the xtians word.
1.Its main reason is to tell the xtians that the one true god of the OT has changed to a 3 headed god called trinity
2. and also he now has a son called jesus
3.And that same son is also the god (dont know if he gave birth to himself)
4.That the god died on a tree called cross/calvary
5.That the god is no more 1 but 1/3 =1
6.Paul is the principal writer who claimed to be inspried
No, my dear sister you were wrong. The main reason is for REDEMPTION. John 3:16 "for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, "The son,Jesus, was crucified on the cross and now he is seated on the throne with the Father. I told you before that there is only one God, the creator. I call Him Jehovah, you call Him Allah. He is the true living God. Jesus said "I'm the way,the truth and life no one comes to the father except through me" Jehovah is the Almighty God, Jesus is the son and Holy spirit is the new comforter after Jesus had left. |
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uplawal (f)
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@Alimat pls dnt be led astray by this aborisha's o,cling to your AL-QURAN,its just a waste of time and energy with them since God has blinded them like he said and hes only him that can give them vision, onetime they will say jesus is God, another time they will say hes the son, then Mary the mother of their god andthey will now end it with their empty holyspirit which of course most of them use jazz to blindfold them, confusionist.
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May kelly (f)
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GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD-: Jesus is NOT a Prophet but the Messiah(Saviour) of the Whole world. Period. Quote me anywhere in the whole world I believe it and will die in it.
And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. Matthew 9:15
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Ogaga4Luv (m)
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Maykelly. . . .Then you shall surely Die if you really think or feels the Death Jesus ,the Bible can save you. I only pity you since you may not say goodbye ,If JESUS is the Messiah then let him raise himself from the grave. . .your badmouth is too much and you're now turning into another thing in our midst!- saying DIE DIE DIE DIE all the time,tell me what a heck are you and what are you fabricking??. brash! 
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uplawal (f)
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u'il just die for fun and roast in hell without accepting ISLAM
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ahonohai (m)
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u'il just die for fun and roast in hell without accepting ISLAM
Are you sure about this one? |
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May kelly (f)
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u'il just die for fun and roast in hell without accepting ISLAM
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 |
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Ogaga4Luv (m)
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hehehehehehe. . . . Maykelly (JESUS SAVES)-You From Thinking For Yourself .
Yes Yes!!, The WWJD = We Won. Jesus Died. 
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May kelly (f)
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Maykelly. . . .Then you shall surely Die if you really think or feels the Death Jesus ! For to me to live is Christ,  and to die is gain. ; Philippians 1:21 |
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Ogaga4Luv (m)
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Jesus is Coming? Don’t Swallow That.
He’s Dead.
It’s Been 2,000 years.
He’s Not Coming Back.
Get OVER It Already. . .  !
Well I Love Christians. They Taste Like Chicken. (Delicious)
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May kelly (f)
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hehehehehehe. . . . Maykelly (JESUS SAVES)-You From Thinking For Yourself .
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to THINK any thing as of ourselves but our sufficiency is of God 2 Corinthians 3:5 |
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Ogaga4Luv (m)
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Whats she Fabricking. . . .? 
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