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Donzman (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #32 on: November 08, 2006, 02:30 AM »

He had good intentions but horrible foresight and planning. The man is now working for the same Nigeria he once believed he should not be a part of. Again, big time hypocrite.
ZuluNation (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #33 on: November 08, 2006, 03:13 AM »

I only have one thing to say on this thread then I'll just keep my comments to myself. If only 25%of us Igbos today have just half the heart and bravery Ojukwu had, Igbos would not be part of Nigeria today. Folks for crying out loud Ojukwu was only in his early 30's when he stood up to a Nigerian Army that was backed by the British. I can only pray to God I'll be have the man Ojukwu was when I'm in my 30's

God bless Biafra and all our heroes.
Ndipe (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #34 on: November 08, 2006, 03:18 AM »

Ojukwu started the civil war causing more heartache and tragedies for the Ibos and then escaped into exile, where he led a relatively comfortable life. He came back, joined the NPN political party and was trounced by a political neophyte. Not humbled by his defeat, he tried his hands again in the presidential politics and met the same fate that had dealt harshly with him in 82/83.  Ojukwu should be very thankful that he was pardoned by the Nigerian government and allowed back home. Maybe, the word "Treason" hasnt registered on his celebrum, either that, or some people are just plain ungrateful.

And by the way, for those regarding him as their hero, what would be the opinion of your founding father Azikiwe on Ojukwu? Why was he not at his funeral in 96?


Educate us on the redeeming qualities of this man?
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #35 on: November 08, 2006, 03:20 AM »

Quote from: mamaput on November 08, 2006, 02:05 AM

That i am not for a new war dose not make me less igbo than i am .
Not all Igbos are for Biafra

So you are now an Igbo, I think we are getting somewhere.
Donzman (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #36 on: November 08, 2006, 03:23 AM »

She has always said she was Igbo, I don't know where you guys got off calling her all sorts of names.

It seems like our dislike for Ojukwu is the only thing we have in common!
Chxta (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #37 on: November 08, 2006, 05:26 AM »

Quote from: babyosisi on November 08, 2006, 01:32 AM
true zulu,most Igbos lost families during the war.
I lost family by the nothern massacres preceeding the war and during the war.

War is sad but Biafra was a necessary war.

If that war was so necessary, then why did Ndi Igbo go into it so unprepared?

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America fought a civil war and won,The Spanish lost the Alamo.
that is life.

Huh Sorry, it was the Mexicans.

Quote from: ZuluNation on November 08, 2006, 03:13 AM
I only have one thing to say on this thread then I'll just keep my comments to myself. If only 25%of us Igbos today have just half the heart and bravery Ojukwu had, Igbos would not be part of Nigeria today. Folks for crying out loud Ojukwu was only in his early 30's when he stood up to a Nigerian Army that was backed by the British. I can only pray to God I'll be have the man Ojukwu was when I'm in my 30's

God bless Biafra and all our heroes.

You forgot the little fact that Biafra was backed by France. Count von Rossen actually flew missions over Nigeria on Biafra's behalf. It is easy for people to whimper that Biafra was abandoned by the world. She was not. Nigeria and Portugal didn't have normal diplomatic relations for years after the war because Portugal actively supported Biafra.

Now if Ojukwu is such a hero, then why did he have his best military commanders either shot or sidelined because they took some of the limelight from him? Why did he deceive people as to his true intentions before and after that shameful flight of 9 January 1970? FYI, he told the people that he was going to negotiate more support from the Ivoirians and French when Obasanjo's 3 Marine Commando was knocking at the Uli Airstrip. Even after Effiong ha surrendered, he still made a speech urging Ndi Igbo to continue fighting (Savimbi anyone?) while he was in safety in Abidjan. . .

Don't worry, we will educate you on the war, its preview, and its aftermath. When we have more time. I promise you that, I believe I owe y'all that much.

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on November 08, 2006, 03:20 AM
So you are now an Igbo, I think we are getting somewhere.

Mamaput, don't worry, 925 has this habit of accusing people who don't see things with his Biafran sunshades of not being Igbo. I've been there before. It would have been worse if Bialegend still cruised around these parts, but I guess we've seen the back of that illiterate for good.
GNature (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #38 on: November 08, 2006, 08:30 AM »



subscribing
babyosisi (f)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #39 on: November 08, 2006, 09:29 PM »

Quote from: Chxta on November 08, 2006, 05:26 AM
If that war was so necessary, then why did Ndi Igbo go into it so unprepared?

Huh Sorry, it was the Mexicans.

You forgot the little fact that Biafra was backed by France. Count von Rossen actually flew missions over Nigeria on Biafra's behalf. It is easy for people to whimper that Biafra was abandoned by the world. She was not. Nigeria and Portugal didn't have normal diplomatic relations for years after the war because Portugal actively supported Biafra.

Now if Ojukwu is such a hero, then why did he have his best military commanders either shot or sidelined because they took some of the limelight from him? Why did he deceive people as to his true intentions before and after that shameful flight of 9 January 1970? FYI, he told the people that he was going to negotiate more support from the Ivoirians and French when Obasanjo's 3 Marine Commando was knocking at the Uli Airstrip. Even after Effiong ha surrendered, he still made a speech urging Ndi Igbo to continue fighting (Savimbi anyone?) while he was in safety in Abidjan. . .

Don't worry, we will educate you on the war, its preview, and its aftermath. When we have more time. I promise you that, I believe I owe y'all that much.

Mamaput, don't worry, 925 has this habit of accusing people who don't see things with his Biafran sunshades of not being Igbo. I've been there before. It would have been worse if Bialegend still cruised around these parts, but I guess we've seen the back of that illiterate for good.

don't be a 'smarty pants' and a monday morning quarterback!!
Chxta (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #40 on: November 08, 2006, 10:24 PM »

My English isn't as developed as yours my dear, pray tell me, what is smarty pants and Monday morning quarterback?
mamaput (f)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #41 on: November 08, 2006, 10:53 PM »

I find it so funny that most people here are not even in Nigeria.
If a new war break out they will not go back to fight.They will even see that they can bring all their people here.
And the ones that are very loud, Go and ask your Mothers what they think about you going to war. Come back and let us know the answer.


@ 9 to 5  I hate carrying load from one Trend to another. so please go and look for a statement were i said am not igbo  , open a new topic and we can face each other there.
PS
Any statement i make about me being mixed is not a denial.


Quote from: Chxta on November 08, 2006, 10:24 PM
My English isn't as developed as yours my dear, pray tell me, what is smarty pants and Monday morning quarterback?


so is mine i will also like to know what that means.
ZuluNation (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #42 on: November 08, 2006, 11:53 PM »

Smarty pants---------------------------- I think it's called "I too know" in Nigeria.

Monday morning quarterback----------------------Don't know shiit but always trying to school folks, funny I know a few at my job Grin
Chxta (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #43 on: November 09, 2006, 12:45 AM »

Quote from: ZuluNation on November 08, 2006, 11:53 PM
Smarty pants---------------------------- I think it's called "I too know" in Nigeria.

Monday morning quarterback----------------------Don't know shiit but always trying to school folks, funny I know a few at my job Grin

Thanks for the clarification.

Now, Babyosisi, I'm not good at Americanisms, but going by the definitions presented above by ZN, I want you to point out exactly where I behaved like an ITK in this entire thread. Sometimes I'm baffled by the sheer level of ignorance some of you put on display here.

Someone started a thread praising a historical figure, some of you jumped on the bandwagon to praise the man, while some of us begged to differ. As you must have noticed, my activity here on Nairaland in the last few weeks has been sporadic, but I received an email with this link, and as is usual, I came in to air my views. This is an open forum so what is so ITK about what I did?

As to the implication that I don't know shit, I beg to differ, and very strongly. On the contrary, you haven't the slightest clue about what went down in Eastern Nigeria between May 30, 1967 and January 15, 1970 which is why you stay at a distance and keep spewing tribal bullshit out of that uneducated mind of yours.

You haven't the slightest fucking idea of what true leaders of causes go through on account of what they believe in. Name one (yes I challenge you to name just one) heroic leader in the entire course of written history spanning some 5000 plus years who abandoned his people in their most desperate hour, and then came back a mere 12 years later to ride on the blood of those who died for his wasted dream, and turn around to insult their collective memories by later accepting and contesting in the same country which he led them to lose their lives fighting against.

Alternatively, name one leader that instead of taking the path of honour and disappearing from the stage when his grandeur failed, ran away in the face of defeat. I have two answers for that question: Odumegwu Ojukwu and Saddam Hussein.

The ball is in your court, or else mechie onu oge ndi di ngi n'uso ne kwu okwu. Silly child.
mochafella (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #44 on: November 09, 2006, 12:51 AM »

Quote from: ZuluNation on November 08, 2006, 11:53 PM
Monday morning quarterback----------------------Don't know shiit but always trying to school folks, funny I know a few at my job Grin

erm, not sure about that. This I think is the more accepted "definition"

A person who analyzes the mistakes they made they day after they've made them. Derived from complaining over quarterbacks on monday morning after the sunday game

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Monday+morning+quarterback
Chxta (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #45 on: November 09, 2006, 01:01 AM »

Okay, so let us take Mochafella's own definition of the term Monday Morning Quarterback as truth.

That would make me, one who is analyzing Ojukwu's mistakes (not mine) after they've been made, and let me add this: the man would make the same mistakes over and over again because of his sheer arrogance. Hilary Njoku can bear me out on that one. So, besides the 'heroism' of folklore, what really makes him a hero of the Igbo people?

NOTHING!
ZuluNation (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #46 on: November 09, 2006, 01:09 AM »

Oh my God! I see the haters just coming out of their hiding places. I'll just go take my seat and watch you guys have a blast.
Chxta (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #47 on: November 09, 2006, 01:14 AM »

Haters?

Now you disappoint me.

Since you so believe in this Ojukwu fellow, why don't you come out and defend him constructively and let us deconstruct whatever lame arguments y'all can muster.

Sometimes this thing gets boring, the whole myopic Igbo this, Igbo that parade that goes on in Nairaland that is. And instead of facing issues, you members of the Biafra brigade find it so easy to resort to name calling. . .

Boring, boring. . .
ZuluNation (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #48 on: November 09, 2006, 01:24 AM »

I'm sorry if I disappoint you dude. I come on NL when I have the time just for recreational purposes if you know what I mean. People like you and a lot of Nigerians I know live and will die talking shiit.

I was not born during the civil war in Nigeria but from what I've read in books and the stories my parents and relatives have told me, Ojukwu will always be my hero I don't care if you write a ten page paper on NL, it would never change my mind.
ZuluNation (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #49 on: November 09, 2006, 01:31 AM »

"Biafra Brigade" so there is a Biafrian Brigade on NL and I wasn't told. Oh my God 9to5, babyyosisi and all my Igbo brothers and sisters on NL I'm so not happy with you guys right now Angry Angry
Chxta (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #50 on: November 09, 2006, 01:37 AM »

Quote from: ZuluNation on November 09, 2006, 01:24 AM
I'm sorry if I disappoint you dude. I come on Nairaland when I have the time just for recreational purposes if you know what I mean. People like you and a lot of Nigerians I know live and will die talking shiit.

I was not born during the civil war in Nigeria but from what I've read in books and the stories my parents and relatives have told me, Ojukwu will always be my hero I don't care if you write a ten page paper on Nairaland, it would never change my mind.

I was right. You have a closed mind. Not worth my time.

Quote from: ZuluNation on November 09, 2006, 01:31 AM
"Biafra Brigade" so there is a Biafrian Brigade on Nairaland and I wasn't told. Oh my God 9to5, babyyosisi and all my Igbo brothers and sisters on Nairaland I'm so not happy with you guys right now Angry Angry

Last time I checked, I'm Igbo as well. I also noticed that you conveniently forgot the Igbo guys here who support the notion of a united Nigeria: Buchio7, Donzman, Ugwumba to mention but a few. . .
babyosisi (f)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #51 on: November 09, 2006, 02:17 AM »

Quote from: Chxta on November 09, 2006, 01:14 AM
Haters?

Now you disappoint me.

Since you so believe in this Ojukwu fellow, why don't you come out and defend him constructively and let us deconstruct whatever lame arguments y'all can muster.

Sometimes this thing gets boring, the whole myopic Igbo this, Igbo that parade that goes on in Nairaland that is. And instead of facing issues, you members of the Biafra brigade find it so easy to resort to name calling. . .

Boring, boring. . .

I told you he was a smart alec!!
Chxta (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #52 on: November 09, 2006, 02:22 AM »

Yup, and a truly smart one at that. Sometimes smartness also involves knowing when to take a bow. I've been online for 6 hours! That includes a lot of precious reading time. So let me go and sleep. Kachifo.
babyosisi (f)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #53 on: November 09, 2006, 02:33 AM »

let ndi mmuo pursue you in that your sleep angels give you sweet dreams.
lol.
Bhola (f)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #54 on: November 09, 2006, 03:29 AM »

Like Sijien said, a good one for Nutter and Chxta debate. Hopefully, Nutter will come back soon, because I really want to know the details about the war and Ojukwu.
GNature (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #55 on: November 09, 2006, 08:30 AM »

Quote from: Bhola on November 09, 2006, 03:29 AM
Like Sijien said, a good one for Nutter and Chxta debate. Hopefully, Nutter will come back soon, because I really want to know the details about the war and Ojukwu.

@Bhola

I second that motion. This thread has been very enlightening.
Sijien (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #56 on: November 12, 2006, 09:43 PM »

them don bash all this them ojukwu people for here them no dey yarn again. if only say nutter dey this thread for still dey on. now seun don pursue chxta again. seun why you go dey chase better people comot for here?

http://chxta/2006/11/never-again.html
Donzman (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #57 on: November 13, 2006, 12:04 AM »

There is really nothing to argue about. It's either you see the guy as a hero or you don't, I think most of us already know what he did and did not do. The guy's planning was horrible though, I demand an explanation as to why he made many Igbos lose their wealth? He approved a currency that wasn't backed up by Gold, Silver or even another currency for that matter.
Nutter (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #58 on: November 18, 2006, 03:56 PM »

Again we return to this issue of Ojuwu’s place in history. I have on several occasions presented historical facts which cement Ojukwu’s heroic place on the world stage. None of these facts have been disputed. They are truth.

Seun,

This is not the first time you have made these remarks. Last time you did, I called you up on it. I asked for proof. You fell silent. It remains extremely arrogant of you to presume you can decide for the Igbo who their heroes should be. When the Igbos were being massacred all over Nigeria (including Yorubaland) where were the voices of condemnation? When Awo (a.k.a Supreme War Criminal) starved Biafran children after his release from jail due to Biafran munificence, what was said? Before you judge Ojukwu, I want to hear an appropriate level of condemnation directed at the murdering horde of the 1960s (including but not limited to Awolowo and Hungry Jack Gowon) and their present day sympathisers. Until that is done, whatever you say on this matter is just baseless piffle.

Donzman,

Whoever gave you a history lesson on the war (and events leading up to it) left out an important portion – the truth. If I was you, when presented with such poppycock, I’d run like Forest Gump. So, run, Donzman; run! Furthermore and with the deepest respect, some of your statements with regards to Ojukwu’s return to nigeria and the backing of Biafran currency with precious metals (at wartime no less) indicate that aside from your poor schooling on the war, you are also not as clever as you want to be.

Chxta,

Nwanne, I see you are still traversing these parts with your giant spade, digging yourself into hole after hole. Of all the people I know, you by far demonstrate the greatest uncanny willingness to go down with a sinking ship. At first I was angered when you made statements like this. That emotion soon turned to wonderment and now borders precariously on pity. Wake up!

We definitely will be crossing swords on this issue but I shall hold off until you serve out your ban. I hear King Seun and his twitchy fingers have managed to darken your door yet again. I shall be patient; secure in the knowledge that historical facts will not change before your return in a few days.

Bhola and Sijien,

Thanks folks. I suppose that’s in order. I must mention though that ‘na people like una been dey cause fight for secondary school’. That said, thanks again - really.
Sijien (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #59 on: November 18, 2006, 04:59 PM »

nutter too late. d guy don swear say I'm no dey come here again. i for like see this one sha.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #60 on: November 18, 2006, 09:09 PM »

To Chxta

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Mamaput, don't worry, 925 has this habit of accusing people who don't see things with his Biafran sunshades of not being Igbo. I've been there before


Please Chxta don't try to be funny, don't use Mamaput to throw some bitchy comments at me bro, remember you ran away and am still waiting for you,http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-25139.0.html#msg656516 you can't run away from the truth can you?

To Nutter,

Long time no see, how you dey.
Donzman (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #61 on: November 18, 2006, 09:11 PM »

@Nutter

Are you nuts? What are you talking about? It is simple macroeconomics policy in 1967 to back up your currency with something. Do you know of how many people lost their wealth due to Ojukwu's poor planning? People converted their pound shilling or whatever to Biafran pounds and ended up not getting anything back in return because the currency was not recognized by anybody. Why did your hero follow such a path? I believe he used people's money to further his own personal goals. He deceived us, he played on people's lack of knowledge on how currency works. Why does this guy who hates Nigeria so much then now want to run for president? There are lots of issues I have with this guy and what he did with people's money is on top of the priority list. My grandma has Biafran coins and notes laying around and it's worth nothing. She can't sell it to the museums because they already have more than they can handle.

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you are also not as clever as you want to be.

If your hero was so clever, why did he issue a currency that wasn't worth anything outside of Eastern Nigeria?
Sijien (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #62 on: November 19, 2006, 12:13 AM »

925 y u no remind chxta about this one before seun ban am?
Nutter (m)
Re: Ojukwu: My Hero
« #63 on: November 19, 2006, 03:54 PM »

Donzman,

I told you to do a Forest Gump but you seem to be confident in your ability to use badly-told stories of the war as alternatives to truth. OK, then. Let’s chop-up your entry.

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@Nutter

Are you nuts?

Errm, yes. The clue is in my username. You used it one line up.

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What are you talking about?

Historical facts. You?

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It is simple macroeconomics policy in 1967 to back up your currency with something.

Biafra had oil.

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Do you know of how many people lost their wealth due to Ojukwu's poor planning?

Fallacy! The people that lost their wealth (and there were many) lost them to the Gowon government. They also lost their houses, lands etc. Perhaps your history teacher also told you all these can be found in Ojukwu’s pocket.

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People converted their pound shilling or whatever to Biafran pounds and ended up not getting anything back in return because the currency was not recognized by anybody.

Fallacy! The currency was recognized – even by your Nigerian government which paid only £20 to each Biafran – regardless of how much their accounts held – out of spite. Awolowo was in charge of this process.

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Why did your hero follow such a path?

Asked and answered.

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I believe he used people's money to further his own personal goals.
Such as? What were those personal goals? Speak freely.

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He deceived us, he played on people's lack of knowledge on how currency works.

This really doesn’t deserve a response but I shall indulge you. Are you trying to say that all the Easterners at the time were fools? Er? Do you think Ojukwu was the cleverest Easterner at the time? There were those who fashioned telecoms systems from nothing. Those who built missles. Those who refined petroleum in their back gardens. If you had a proper lesson on Biafrans, you would be aware of the educational heights they reached. This further proves that a lot of what you know comes from a very disconnected place. It cannot be my Biafran people you speak of.

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Why does this guy who hates Nigeria so much then now want to run for president?

At the end of the war, Gowon said there was no victor and no vanquished. Gowon said there would be rehabilitation, reconstruction and reconciliation. Gowon said the Easterners should return to the Nigerian table where they would then take their rightful place as equals. The Easterners agreed to give it another go. How then is this out of sync with Ojukwu’s actions?

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There are lots of issues I have with this guy and what he did with people's money is on top of the priority list.

Tell us what he did. The suspense is killing me.

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My grandma has Biafran coins and notes laying around and it's worth nothing.

Another fallacy! One Biafran Pound currently exchanges for 270 Naira. Tell Grandma to head for the major eastern markets or the border towns in Benin Republic, Togo, Ivory Coast etc – whichever is closest. 

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She can't sell it to the museums because they already have more than they can handle.

Another made-up fact. You need to brush up a lot more.

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If your hero was so clever, why did he issue a currency that wasn't worth anything outside of Eastern Nigeria?

Asked and answered.

Is this the best you can do, Donzman? Your response is disappointing.


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To Nutter,

Long time no see, how you dey.– 925


Nwanne, I dey. Doing a lot of traveling for work but should be back in London next week. Then I’ll be more regular around these parts – perhaps. I hope you are doing alright yourself.


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nutter too late. d guy don swear say I'm no dey come here again. i for like see this one sha. - Sijien

That’s not my understanding but we go see.
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