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somegirl (f)
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I (AfricanAmericans) live in a world of historical papers and historical books and so we had our history written down for the last 600 years. So we know the past very well. Drusilla, have you heard of akoro and nsibiri (just examples)? Oral literature nko? Did you know that a book from 1670 already mentioned the "Ulkami" (Yoruba) and that more works on Africans in Africa were produced? That the first Yoruba word list was written in 1819? That a Yoruba scholar worked on his own language in the 19th century? |
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Donzman (m)
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Drusilla, have you heard of akoro and nsibiri (just examples)? Oral literature nko? Did you know that a book from 1670 already mentioned the "Ulkami" (Yoruba) and that more works on Africans in Africa were produced? That the first Yoruba word list was written in 1819? That a Yoruba scholar worked on his own language in the 19th century?
Tell them! |
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somegirl (f)
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Drusilla, in case you haven't seen it yet --- *pushing thread upwards*
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Drusilla (f)
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Somegirl,
LOL I am the one who has been posting on this board about the Nigerian Math system before whites came.
Being told by all Africants that learning that stuff would do no black person any good.
Donzman in particular said that he would rather die than have his kids get a Black Education.
Afrocentrics like myself are all into Orature and Ourstory.
Don't let those who have been called white worshippers because they reject Black Knowledge, fool you.
I was talking to foolio Donzman, who was saying things about if you can't get your black knowledge published in a white book, then it is not valid.
I was being sarcastic about his earlier stance.
Please go a bit further back and read my posts. I am the one who thinks that this knowledge is important. I have many historical posts on here.
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Donzman (m)
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You have no clue, black education has nothing to do with African history. Wasn't it in your black education classs that they told you Igbos used cowries as their currency?, Did Igbos really do that? I'll attribute that to ignorance because apparently the Aro empire suddenly depicts Igbos.  |
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Chxta (m)
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Drusilla, 'Black' is not a race because there's only ONE human race. "Black" is a state of mind.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Drusilla, 'Black' is not a race because there's only ONE human race. "Black" is a state of mind.
Thats what scientist are trying to push this days, but if you are telling some one that and he can't wave down a taxi in the US, the person would definitely think you are mad. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Somegirl,
LOL I am the one who has been posting on this board about the Nigerian Math system before whites came.
Being told by all Africants that learning that stuff would do no black person any good.
Donzman in particular said that he would rather die than have his kids get a Black Education.
Afrocentrics like myself are all into Orature and Ourstory.
Don't let those who have been called white worshippers because they reject Black Knowledge, fool you.
I was talking to foolio Donzman, who was saying things about if you can't get your black knowledge published in a white book, then it is not valid.
I was being sarcastic about his earlier stance.
Please go a bit further back and read my posts. I am the one who thinks that this knowledge is important. I have many historical posts on here.
This is a statement of fact |
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Drusilla (f)
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Chxta,
I caught your true intentions. Exactly. Anybody can be a Black person but everybody needs a Black Education to become Black.
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Donzman (m)
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I caught your true intentions. Exactly. Anybody can be a Black person but everybody needs a Black Education to become Black. Will you teach in your black education class the fact that Africans sold fellow Africans into slavery or will you only teach things that will make "Blacks" look good? |
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mamaput (f)
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Well done class go.
No the teaching will be like something we all know out of a horro Film alla jim jones or so.
I picture it in my mind . A Camp for only blacks and some want to be blacks. strongly cut off from the outside world. No one goes in no one comes out.
Every one dressed in colourful African cloths.
And every thing table chair etc all African but made in Taiwan because things there are cheaper.
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
Certainly. I will show how in all areas of Africa, sending in the slaves was a war strategy. I will use the Xhosa in South Africa as an example and use Chinua Achebe's "things fall apart" book as an example of why Africans would consider "slaves" to be a weapon against your enemy.
Then I would use all of the old Americans who rallied hard against keeping Blacks here after slavery was over, they were convinced that this decision to keep Black freeman here would eventually destroy the country.
I would show how in the olden days whites freely admitted that keeping slaves who were free put you in great danger. This matches up with what Chinua Achebe teaches in his book and what the Brittish said about South Africa's situtation, when the Xhosa slaves were sent in.
I would have them all watch the African movie Sankofa, so they could understand that the expectation still remains that in fact it will be the "house nigger" who will die freeing all blacks from subjegation.
My kids will understand the idea completely that Africans selling slaves for guns, was a beautiful war tactic on two fronts.
1. Right then it gave Africans the guns to hold whites at bay longer than any other continent. Thus Africa had the shortest colonization of any continent.
2. In the long term it resulted in Africans being in powerful positions.
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Donzman (m)
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Drusilla, listen to yourself trying to justify slavery and you think the white man can't justify theirs for economic purposes too and ending it with the same reasons you ended yours :
1. Right then it gave Africans the guns to hold whites at bay longer than any other continent. Thus Africa had the shortest colonization of any continent.
2. In the long term it resulted in Africans being in powerful positions.
3. Finally, they were kind hearted enough to take human beings instead of going to war and possibly wiping out the whole population.
Come on my friend, listen to yourself, smarten up!, Life isn't black and white and it isn't give and take. It's much more complicated than that.
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
So I should give up on what you said education should do for a person. I should give up on an Black Education building confidence in each person?
Blacks should get an education that results in them feeling no confidence in themselves?
Remember:
If cats wrote history it would be about cats.
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Donzman (m)
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See, I got a regular education and I'm very confident in my abilities and myself. You do not need a black education to be self confident. I do not for once wish I was white nor do I wish I was American, I'm happy with the life I got and coincidentally I have that in my MSN nickname. I don't need a black Education and neither does anyone, feeding me lies does not make me confident. It just makes me feel like a fool that can be lied to and be expected to accept it and swallow in one motion.
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Sista (f)
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@SomegirlDrusilla, have you heard of akoro and nsibiri (just examples)? Oral literature nko? Did you know that a book from 1670 already mentioned the "Ulkami" (Yoruba) and that more works on Africans in Africa were produced? That the first Yoruba word list was written in 1819? That a Yoruba scholar worked on his own language in the 19th century? Somegirl, 1st question, what is your point for presenting this topic? Who gets to dictate what who's history is? Also, if Yoruba's had no writing system until recently the date you supplied, lets also deal with this question, Why is it important to know they had no writing system? Why do you think they had no writing system? If you believe they had no writing system, does not having a writing system mean you have no history? It is no doubt that the Yuroba tribe as well as all Africans on the continent are an ancient people. Do you mean to tell me that these ancient people contributed nothing to this world? Abeg, please answer those questions.
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Donzman (m)
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I believe the book went to show that Africa indeed has history both written and oral. Geez, do all Afrocentrics have no brain?
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman, See, I got a regular education and I'm very confident in my abilities and myself. You do not need a black education to be self confident. I do not for once wish I was white nor do I wish I was American, I'm happy with the life I got and coincidentally I have that in my MSN nickname. I don't need a black Education and neither does anyone, feeding me lies does not make me confident. It just makes me feel like a fool that can be lied to and be expected to accept it and swallow in one motion. Again with the idea that as long as you are happy, Phuck all the other black people. Your just not Black yet. |
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Donzman (m)
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I never said that, why do you reach all these invalid conclusions? You need to refine your thought process because it sucks. I'm saying that I feel happy the way I am and since I'm happy every other black person can be happy. Nobody needs to be lied to in order to be proud of who they are.
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman, I never said that, why do you reach all these invalid conclusions? You need to refine your thought process because it sucks. I'm saying that I feel happy the way I am and since I'm happy every other black person can be happy. Nobody needs to be lied to in order to be proud of who they are. Tell that to white folks who been lying to their children for centuries to make them proud of who they are. I have used historical knowledge, historical fiction, political movies and historical government policies to confirm my interpretation of the history of Africa. Your dead wrong to call my way of seeing things "lies" just because they do not match what your white master interpreted history of. And again -- what happens to Donzman is the only consideration on your radar and all other blacks better do like Donzman if they want to achieve the happiness Donzman has. Phuck the rest, Donzman is god. |
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Donzman (m)
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Donzman is god. You called it, thank God! |
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somegirl (f)
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Why do you think they had no writing system? No, I do think (am pretty sure about that too) that they had a writing system. Akoro was what the Yoruba used and nsibiri (or nsibidi) what the Igbo used. If you believe they had no writing system, does not having a writing system mean you have no history? No, that's why I asked "Oral history nko?" (And what about oral history?). "Africa has no history" is a quote by Hegel and I quoted him only because of Drusilla's statement to Donzman (@Drusilla, I will reply you separately once I have looked at the other thread again). I do think Africa has a history. |
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Drusilla (f)
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Somegirl, Do not miss this words on that other thread: Your grandmother was not alive 600 years ago, so you will have to send her to me, to learn African History.  When you add that to me being the big advocate of Black People needing a Black Education. By the way, I bumped up a lot of my posts today for you to see them, so you can fully understand how badly you are barking up the wrong tree, if you think it is me, who does not care about African history. I'll rebump them for you. |
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somegirl (f)
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LOL I am the one who has been posting on this board about the Nigerian Math system before whites came.
Being told by all Africants that learning that stuff would do no black person any good.
Donzman in particular said that he would rather die than have his kids get a Black Education. Mhm, it would be easier if you could give me a link to what Donzman wrote, like the following. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=11250.msg687701#msg687701 This is were I quoted you from. Where does Donzman say "that he would rather die than have his kids get a Black Education"? About the Nigerian math systems: One of my teachers told me about a theory that the Yoruba numerical system trains the mathematical understanding better than the English one. The reason was that the English system just requires the learner to do addition (he forgot to mention multiplication though as in two(times)hundred) while in the Yoruba system you have to add, subtract and multiply. Let's take the number 47: English: 40 + 7 = forty-seven Yoruba: 3 x 20 - 10 - 3 = meta (3) din ni (take away from) ewa (10) din ni (take away from) ogun (20) meta (3) = metadinlaaadota Another person who just published a thick Yoruba dictionary (Fakinlade) on the other hand considers the very same fact as a disadvantage of the Yoruba numerical system. That's why he wishes to see it replaced by a decimal one. And he has not been the first one according to my teacher; similar efforts have been made in the 1970s. Most matters are very subjective and I think that entitles Donzman to have a different opinion from your own. |
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somegirl (f)
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Ok, thanks, I will.  |
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alarinjo (m)
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hello Donzman, You do not need a black education to be self confident. I do not for once wish I was white nor do I wish I was American, I'm happy with the life I got and coincidentally I have that in my MSN nickname. Maybe the problem here is your understanding of what education is. It encompasses but transcends the four walls of an institution. Did you school in Nigeria? Were you raised by black parents? If you did, then, to a certain degree you had a black education, and that's probably why you are self assured and confident. Not all black people in the world get that, and I think what Drusilla is pushing is for the idea of a black education to be universal. Think about that. |
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Donzman (m)
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I have lived in Nigeria all my life, speak my native language properly and can write it. Drusilla has no clue, her idea of a black education is telling kids lies about themselves, what good is that?
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
That is just a stupid statement. Really it is. Look up a book titled: The lies your teacher told you.
You just don't understand what education is. You think it is an objective field of work.
No. It is designed to bring about a citizen who is supportive of his own community.
Blacks are handicapped because our citizens are educated by others who are bringing about citizens supportive of THEIR community.
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mrmayor (m)
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Drusilla, I love maths,mathematics is always improving and changing.There are many mathematical formulas that have had they 15 minutes of fame and are now left on the pages books for historians to ponder. Anyone who has taken a few classes in maths would know that you always the easiest formulas in solving everyday problems,there is no need using Number theory to solve an engineering problem when you can use Calculus. I oncetold you,that there is no need studying archaic mathematical formulas when there are better formulas in use,maybe for historical purposes,many of the scientific formulas about the nature of the atom I studied in secondary school have all changed.What you are suggesting is because Typewriters were in use before Word Processors and computers children should be taught the use of typewriters. As you teach Africans living on the continent about their history,make sure you don't tell them that in Africa,Africans Americans lived like Kings and Queens and don't forget SLAVES,where there are Kings and Queens there must be Slaves to serve them or did they have minimum wage! My dear Drusilla,I'm tempted to put you across my knee and give you some spanking  I'm sure we both enjoy it. |
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