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muyiwabank (m)
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@All,
I sent a letter to the second secreatary immigration telling him about my problem that i won my appeal and the extension the school gave me was going to lapse soon, enclosed in the letter is the appeal determination and a copy of my late enrollment letter.
I sent the letter last week Wednesday, they called me a week later on the 7th to be precise asking me if i can travel to make my enrollment on the 9th which i aswered yes.They now asked me to come to the embassy with a confirmed ticket which i did.
On gettig there on the 8th, they did not allow me to enter because they said my name was not part of the people they invited, i now called the number that called me and shouted on the phone seriously,she just said calm down and come to the gate, i did and they allowed me in.
they collected my passport,late enrollment letter and my confirmed BA ticket to london.25 minutes later, i was called to come and pick up passpot with the visa issued.
See God at work my people, praise to His Holy name.
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big_bumper (f)
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@mrpataki
well then, wON't hold my breath though.
@muyiwabanks
congrats, wa ko ere oko de ile o.
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born2die
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i applied for UK student visa 2 times in January 2007 and refused, both times they objected on my sponsor, i have completed 4years bachelors in computer Science, 2 year experience in same field and now want to go for higher studies.
i Applied in London Academy of Management Sciences in MSc Strategic Business IT, First time they ask me about the sponsor, he was my far relative but to show strong relation i said he is my mothers brother and caught in cross questioning . Second time Sponsor was my sister and brother in law, My brother- in -law is Orthopedic Surgeon in government Hospital and he have his own hospital as well, i showed 12,000 GDP in his different bank accounts + Property Documents + Saving Certificates of 10,000 GDP and his passport photocopy but it was my bad luck Visa officer didn’t checked my Documents properly and refused me and said "your brother in law have only 5000 GDP in his bank account sponsoring you will give an extra liability on him and you attached his documents just to support you application"
My tuition fess is around 5500 GDP + living expenses = 11000 ponds.
What I will do now?
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Akolawole (m)
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Oga Kola you never congratulate me oh.
Me ke! I am a bit discourage about the thread lately Congrat brother, where we go meet to wash am o. please remember UK is NOT that Land of Honey as we always perceived. If you can email me your number, i can give you a shout and share few experience i have about that country. |
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Akolawole (m)
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@Born2die
1) Your name sounds somehow
2) Your first post on Nairaland sounds somehow as well
@Topic
Did you appeal the second refusal?
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mrpataki (m)
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@ born2die,
Hope you sound truthful and honest here. How were you able to apply just twice in Jan 2007, and your pack came out that speedily?
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marcwolex
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Guys,
i want to find out if the ECO's will not raise eyebrow, if two applicant's submmitt the same documents of sponsorship for student visa application,i applied for a study visa in december with my uncle as sponsor(we don't bear same name) and the visa was granted am now in united kingdom.my immediate elder brother is planning using the same documents for his PHD program in wolverhampton(though he has a tuition waiver schorlarship,what my sponsor's need is just to take care of my brother cost of living for the three years program).i want to find out from the in-house guys (Akolawole,mr pataki,funky baby & lord Vor) whether the short period (i used it in dec,my bros intends using it in march) will not jeopardise his visa application
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mrpataki (m)
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Each application is handled individually based on its merits and demerits.
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oliky (m)
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hello pal,no need getting too agitated about this issue, i believe you will find enough useful advice and help through this link www, travelvisafreetoday.com ,and good luck .
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LondonCool (m)
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Guys,
i want to find out if the ECO's will not raise eyebrow, if two applicant's submmitt the same documents of sponsorship for student visa application,i applied for a study visa in december with my uncle as sponsor(we don't bear same name) and the visa was granted am now in united kingdom.my immediate elder brother is planning using the same documents for his PHD program in wolverhampton(though he has a tuition waiver schorlarship,what my sponsor's need is just to take care of my brother cost of living for the three years program).i want to find out from the in-house guys (Akolawole,mr pataki,funky baby & lord Vor) whether the short period (i used it in dec,my bros intends using it in march) will not jeopardise his visa application
The first thing an ECO does when processing students visa's is to check the crediblity of sponsors. A search would be done on the sponsor and there would most likely be a "hit". If it is found out that a sponsor is sponsoring another applicant they would factor the sponsors financial circumstances as presented by the bank statements sent to make a decision.Inotherwords, if the sponsor can show that he has enough funds to support more than one applicant then a visa can be granted , if the ECO feels otherwise then it could be refused for lack of sufficient proof of funding on a balance of probability. Assuming the ECO does'nt do a sponsor search before processing the VAF then it should be granted without much ado. |
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LondonCool (m)
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i applied for UK student visa 2 times in January 2007 and refused, both times they objected on my sponsor, i have completed 4years bachelors in computer Science, 2 year experience in same field and now want to go for higher studies.
i Applied in London Academy of Management Sciences in MSc Strategic Business IT, First time they ask me about the sponsor, he was my far relative but to show strong relation i said he is my mothers brother and caught in cross questioning . Second time Sponsor was my sister and brother in law, My brother- in -law is Orthopedic Surgeon in government Hospital and he have his own hospital as well, i showed 12,000 GDP in his different bank accounts + Property Documents + Saving Certificates of 10,000 GDP and his passport photocopy but it was my bad luck Visa officer didn’t checked my Documents properly and refused me and said "your brother in law have only 5000 GDP in his bank account sponsoring you will give an extra liability on him and you attached his documents just to support you application"
My tuition fess is around 5500 GDP + living expenses = 11000 ponds.
What I will do now?
Send me your name and dob by e-mail and I will give you a detailed analysis of why you were refused, your reasons for refusal and explanations do not seem too plausible. |
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Akolawole (m)
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@London cool
Na wa o.
We need you on that thread i propose to you the other time.
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funkybaby (f)
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@ muyiwabank
congratulations dear ! i am so happy for you ! you see, God is still in the business of answering prayers even when all hope is lost. your case with BHC is a big testimony. i mean, you were given the visa barely 24hours to the expiration of the deadline on your enrollment letter??? you have early cause to celebrate. regarding my bank account number, i will be patient and wait till you start working and earning pounds, only then will i give it to you ! congratulations once again !
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muyiwabank (m)
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Thanks @funkybaby
I have been waiting for you response really since you are he person that started the trend that helped me.
i even tried to send a mail to you but your address is hidden.
allthesame thank you for the trend oooooooooooooooooooo
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ainkay
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@ funkybaby
I will be grateful if you kindly tell me something about witness statement. Who need to write the statement? appellant or sponsor?
Furthermore also give me an idea of how to write the same.
Your kind reply will help me alot.
Cheers!
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fatliar (m)
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EXPERT IN D HOUSE PLEASE WHICH DOCUMENTS DO I NEED FOR AN APPEAL?
please DO I NEED 2 SEND D SCHOOL ADMISSION LETTERS ND OTHERS
PLEASE ITS URGENT
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tonmax (f)
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Hi,I have a refusal too!
I got married in January. My fiance and i applied for a visa in december to go to the Uk for our honeymoon. We were refused.
They stated we were first time visitors to the UK-WRONG.
My Fiance lived in the UK while on training with his company for 8Months
We both work in the oil and gas industry.
The reason they gave.:Not satisfied we are genuine visitors because of the hotel reservation we made.
We have since travelled to another country in Asia for the honeymoon.
But we were wrongly refused without an interview. I want to take this up with them.
What is the way forward?
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mrpataki (m)
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@ tonmax,
Where you given a right of appeal?
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LondonCool (m)
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Hi,I have a refusal too!
I got married in January. My fiance and i applied for a visa in december to go to the Uk for our honeymoon. We were refused.
They stated we were first time visitors to the UK-WRONG.
My Fiance lived in the UK while on training with his company for 8Months
We both work in the oil and gas industry.
The reason they gave.:Not satisfied we are genuine visitors because of the hotel reservation we made.
We have since travelled to another country in Asia for the honeymoon.
But we were wrongly refused without an interview. I want to take this up with them.
What is the way forward?
Did you submit a letter of inviataion from a UK based Sponsor? If Yes, whats the UK immigration status of the sponsor? Did you make part-payment for the hotel or did you just make a reservation booking? How much was the Hotel bill for a night? How many nights were you going to stay in UK? How much funds did you disclose that you had available to spend for your UK trip? How much funds did you present in your 6 months banks statement? Did you indicate that you have family and friends in the UK on your VAF*? (i.e Visa Application Form) Did your Husband/Fiance indicate that he had previously been issued with a visa in his VAF? Were you given a right of appeal? From your answers I will be able to give you an informed insight concerning your refusal |
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tonmax (f)
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Did you submit a letter of inviataion from a UK based Sponsor?- NO WE WERE ON HONEYMOON
If Yes, whats the UK immigration status of the sponsor? NA
Did you make part-payment for the hotel or did you just make a reservation booking? CREDIT CARD GUARANTEED
How much was the Hotel bill for a night? £73
How many nights were you going to stay in UK? 12Nights(we had limited leave)
How much funds did you disclose that you had available to spend for your UK trip? NGN1.5MILION
How much funds did you present in your 6 months banks statement? HIS, 1.5M, MINE, 900K
Did you indicate that you have family and friends in the UK on your VAF*? (i.e Visa Application Form) ;NO
Did your Husband/Fiance indicate that he had previously been issued with a visa in his VAF? OH YES
Were you given a right of appeal?- THEY SAID LIMITED RIGHT!
From your answers I will be able to give you an informed insight concerning your refusal
Thanks Londoncool. Please see above for the responses to the questions. The position is that we 've got friends in the UK, not family. We didn't want to stay with friends during our stay. I work as a travel consultant in my company. They just overlooked the fact that he's been to the UK and back before. We didn't want to waste time applying again after the wedding, so we opted to go to Dubai. Thanks again for ur help |
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LondonCool (m)
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Can you give me the precise wording of your refusal letter ? You can only redress the issues they wrote.
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tonmax (f)
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will send it right away
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tonmax (f)
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''You have stated that u wish to vist the UK for two weeks to honeymoon and have provided hotel reservations for the duration of your stay, Although i find it unrealistic that u would travel to the UK for ur honeymoon and choose to stay in a hotel removed removed from the normal tourism circuit.
Although it would be unreasonable to expect a detailed itinerary for your proposed visit, it is not unreasonable to expect some indication as to what you would do or see especially as a first time visitor to the UK.You have provided no indication as to what you plan to see and do in the UK.Given the intended outlay on this trip by you, and the lenght of ur stay in the UK, i'm not satisfied that u are a genuine visitor to the UK and are entering the UKfor the reasons and duration as stated by you''
That's exactly what they wrote to both of us.
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VOR (m)
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''You have stated that u wish to vist the UK for two weeks to honeymoon and have provided hotel reservations for the duration of your stay, Although i find it unrealistic that u would travel to the UK for your honeymoon and choose to stay in a hotel removed removed from the normal tourism circuit.
Although it would be unreasonable to expect a detailed itinerary for your proposed visit, it is not unreasonable to expect some indication as to what you would do or see especially as a first time visitor to the UK.You have provided no indication as to what you plan to see and do in the UK.Given the intended outlay on this trip by you, and the lenght of your stay in the UK, i'm not satisfied that u are a genuine visitor to the UK and are entering the UKfor the reasons and duration as stated by you''
That's exactly what they wrote to both of us.
On the face of it this sounds like a very weak refusal. I assume both you and your husband are in full time employment? On the visa application form did he mention he'D been to the UK previously? Which hotel and where precisely is it? Were you offered a right of appeal? I'm not sure there is one against visitor refusals. Even if there is you face two possible problems. Firstly, any appeal you make now will probably be out of time. You can of course apply for an extension of time within which to appeal, but you have to have a good excuse as to why you didn't appeal within the statutory period. Secondly, since you have already gone on your honeymoon this will no longer be the reason why you wish to visit the UK . You could of course simply say you now wish to visit, but they (eco) may view this as smacking of desperation to get to the UK at all costs. My advice, purely on the basis of what you have stated, is to wait until you have good reason to visit the UK and then apply again. |
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mrpataki (m)
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My Oga Vor has said it. No further statements.
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tonmax (f)
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Hi VOR,
Thanks for your response.
Response to your questions:
1 Yes we are both gainfully employed
2 Yes he stated he's been to the Uk before
3 hotel is in Birmigham.
4we don't even want to appeal because we want we don't want to go soon, maybe june or so. But they were wrong in refusing my husband and stating that he's a first time visitor.
Silence means consent abi?
The ECO in this case didn't do his job well and that's why we want to take it up based on that reason only!
Londoncool???
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VOR (m)
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@TONMAX
I see your point completely. What you can do is to make written representations to the BHC
setting out your disagreement with the decision and see what response they give you. They
will probably still defend the decision and state that every application is based on its merits. Which
is code for you may not necessarily be refused in future.
between, why did you choose Birmingham for your honeymoon? It is not exactly known
for its romantic delights. I suspect that your choice of destination made the ECO very
suspicious and he/she was perhaps soley focused on this point rather than taking
the WHOLE application into account.
Londoncool may be able to give you further insight as I believe he has "inside" knowledge
of the inner sanctum and mysteries of the whole process.
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blamy4u (m)
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@muyiwabank
Congrats! i have been following up on ur issue, though i have not sent any post ealier to this thread
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blamy4u (m)
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Am sure i will also share a testimony soon. I was denied student visa in Sept. 06 and appealed in oct 06. Hearing has been fixed for next month (march), so am just waiting and praying for favour. Does anybody in the house know the success rate of appeals decided on papers only, though i have a relative who help me filed in the appeal )he's a lecturer in one of scotlands universities) in the uk but will not be disposed to appear for the hearing. please kindly keep me posted on this issue.
One Love to u all!
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LondonCool (m)
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Hi VOR,
Thanks for your response.
Response to your questions:
1 Yes we are both gainfully employed
2 Yes he stated he's been to the Uk before
3 hotel is in Birmigham.
4we don't even want to appeal because we want we don't want to go soon, maybe june or so. But they were wrong in refusing my husband and stating that he's a first time visitor.
Silence means consent abi?
The ECO in this case didn't do his job well and that's why we want to take it up based on that reason only!
Londoncool???
Tonmax, Thanks for your reply. The refusal is a 50/50 Balance of probability one and would not carry much weight before a Judicial Review. I suspect that the ECO must have been on one of these Executive Officers on 3 month short-term postings from Home Office @Croydon as it does not reflect the salient reason why he thought you were a NSGV case. You have the right to spend your Honeymoon in any Hotel in UK. You were not obliged to send the ECO an itinerary of the places you would be visiting too. I believe you would have successfully had your appeal upheld by a sympathetic Judge if you were given the right of appeal. However, this is a learning process for everyone including myself, but, if you had had Family and/or Friends in Birmingham and you would be staying with them there it would not have been an issue. Lessons learnt from your case: If you are going to apply next time using a Hotel as an accommodation then you would be VISITING AS A TOURIST and should be able to fufil the Tourists requirements of having a confirmed Hotel reservation and also a listing of Tourist places you would be visiting (if possible through Tourists Companies or Travel Agencies). The above criteria is used for dealing with Tourists who are Non-visa nationals who usually obtain visa's on arrival. However, it is a bit tricky whether to classify your Honeymoon visit as a Tourist Visit since it was not a Family Visit. Since you were not refused for financial reasons, next time get a UK sponsor with a valid UK Residence status to invite you over (even if you would not be physically staying in their home). By the way, why the choice of Birmingham for a Honeymoon?? Is that where your Hubby lived before? From an Oyibo perspective it is truely "removed from the normal tourism circuit". I hope you enjoyed Dubai anyway, I went there in 2005 and its ten times better than London. With my exchanged Pound notes I had a bagful of Dirhams for spending in the Gold Souks and Shopping Centres. |
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tonmax (f)
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WHAOOO LONDONCOOOOOL!!
Thanks for your response too.
We learnt our lesson anyway. I see reasons from what you have written.
We had actually arranged a shot term accomodation at a one bedroom apartment and didn't want to put the owner into trouble. That was why we made another hotel reservation.
My husband lived in Teeside during his training.
We enjoyed Dubai. Hubby said it's better than London. We even had to leave Dubai for another quiet Emirate city close to Dubai because i couldn't be on holiday and be involved in the huslte and bustle of another Lagos!
Like i said, Thanks once again!
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funkybaby (f)
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@VOR, mrpataki, akolawole, londoncool and muyiwabank,,
please, regarding my sister's appeal case which she has won, the 28days period has long expired but she is still yet to be called by BHC to come pick up her visa. she has sent several emails to them in which they acknowledged that they have received their own copy of the judgement so i wonder what is taking them so long to call her. what they keep telling her is that her file is with the ECO. please, does anyone have any advice on what she should do? because, it kind of beats me, it takes the ECO about 10 to 14 days to hurriedly go through a visa application and deny genuine applicants, so why is it now taking them months to call up someone that has won the appeal case.
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