Are Nigerian Pastors Deceiving Nigerians?

where is Obadare today? Just curious because haven't heard about him in very long time.

Pastors are really decieving nigerians to the extent that sometimes you wonder if all the members of the congregation are under a spell, the last time i went to a church in nigeria,i was totally astonished, the pastor gave a very very strong message initially, at the end he dwelled on people's fears and insecurities and made sure he pushed his points really hard,telling the congregation of how God will take care of them and provide for them when they give qualitative offering unto him(offering time is blessing time you will always hear them say)  instead of telling them(congregation) to go and do legitimate busineses and struggle hard he was busy telling them of how he needed some money when he was in trouble sometime ago and he prayed to god, he said he quoted some bible verses and immediately he went out a not very close friend called him and gave him just the amount he  needed, every body went wild with the shouts of amen and what not, the funny thing is that, that is not the reality of most of the people in the congregation most of them pray for money but they never get any money to the extent that they resorted to going to church to hear calming messages that will soothe their batard financial lives.The church only serves as a solace but foolishly they keep going their and keep enriching these criminals that are very good with words.

The fact still remains that despite all the giving and scarifices people are doing their lives havent changed a bit, most of the folks i know back home are still the same each time i visit, their lives havent changed much despite all the endless offering they have been rendering to the churches they attend.people are still dying in poverty while the very clever pastors are getting richer than ever before, why all the lies ,facade and deciet?

I go to churches here and all you hear is a decent massege,they tell you what they feel is right and they never tell you that poverty is a sin the pastor will never tell you that giving unto the lord is a panacea for all your finalcial problems, they never will tell you that you should bring money before u will get blessings from the lord,infact they don't collect offerings they way we do it in nigeria, you just drop what you have in the offering box at the door which most of them don't do.At the end of it all they people here who mostly don't even believe in God and give much less to their churches live longer lives,are richer,healthier,more comfortable,have more disposable incomes, are more secured than the average nigerian that goes to church every day and enriches the very clever pastor in the name of giving to the lord. my people shine your eyes, why will a god refuse to or give very little give back to the people that are always giving(Nigerians) to him and continue to give abundantly to the people that don't even know him and are always giving less or nothing at all to him(finns)? They people here are far more blessed than the people in nigeria, why will god continue to bless them that don't even believe in him and refuse to bless us as a nation that very much believe in him?

Give and it will be given unto you they are always saying, most nigerians give and nothing is happening to the country as a whole ,the people here don't give and they always reap in tenfolds, as far as poverty exist their will always be the need for gods unless if the poor people will get some form of utopia here on earth.People shine your eyes its better to give to a hungry neighbour or a destitute on the street than to go and give your hard earned money to a criminal called a pastor.

You sound just too funny and overtly mischievious with that comment. You do not use you myopic experience to judge a whole generation of people. If by chance you found yourself in a church pastored by a dubious fellow, do you now use that to castigate every other church or pastor!


The fact that he dwelt on people's insecurities and fears is sad enough but th qurstion you should ask is this: why the need to fear? Why feel insecured? That is a very personal question. The fact that we are humans created by God and that thre is so much evil in the world, especially in our nation (Nigeria) whre there is so much insecurity of life and property due to the failure of our leadrs is enough to mak someon seek refuge in God who would guaranty these things.

What else do you need in a country where the sudden catches the police and othe agencies like Fire Service unawares? Would you not rather seek for divine protection so that when these events occur, you will be shielded from them hurting you or your loved ones. My Pastor for instance, wont do that, he would rather encourage or charge you  to be strong in faith and know the WORD of God and its application to life's issues. It all boils down to the personality of the pastor. You can't fall into that trap of hasty generalisation.

Lastly, the people have refused to search the scriptures and grow themselves. If they grow up, they will soon discover that th pastor is not helping them and move out to a place where they will be fed with the raw word of God to face life's issues themselves so that they will not be frequently ripped off. Calls for money in the church will continue to be and you are not confined to hell if you do not give. No shackles have been placed on your neck dragging you forward to give.



Again, telling people a lifestory is only a kind of motivation. He was only trying to demonstrate that these things do work when practicalised in true faith and in accordance to the undiluted Word of God. Shouting means they probably got the message that God can minister to anybody and use him/her for you. I hope he was not telling them to do illegititmate businss anyway?



That they pray for money and do not get is a wrong premise which might mean you are saying the man's teachings arent working for them. Getting money is tied to the law of sowing & receiving. If you do not work, you do not expect to get money. The primary antedote is work. When you work, you can then use the financial principles taught to sow and reap. Going to work is a form of sowing while your salary is a form of harvesting. The scripture says, for as the heavens and the earth remains, there shall not cease to be sowing and harvesting seasons (see Gen. 8:22).

Again, i can also see some twistings here. Going to church to hear calming mssages on their Financially batard lives? Makes me wonder the kind of church you are using as an example except you hav decided to just kill their reputation to justify your claims.

And concerning praying, i hope they are asking the right way and for the right purpose James 4:3  Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.



Your knowledge of what the church is is warped. Solace? Who says? The gathering (which you call church) is supposed to empower you with Knowledge and wisdom for living Jeremiah 3: 15  And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding..



I hope those your people you are reffering to have legitimate businesses. Then they should get out  of that church and look for a living one.



Nobody is under compulsion to give out anything? When giving, you need to understand what to give, how to give, when to give and to whom? All these things work togther. I suspect that your church seriously. These guides will always work when put to the test.


The word of God works wonders everywhere whether home or abroad. Anybody not preaching th message of prosperity is not doing th congregation any good. He is depriving thm of the true blessings of God.  Luke 6:38  Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.. If you are already rich, you can be richer if you apply the words of God.


Moreover, those in advanced economies are just living normal lives with good working conditions already delivered to them on a platter of gold. Their challenges are therefore not the very fundamentals that we are facing here.



God cannot be mocked. You just employ those financial principles and see whether you wont experience financial breakthroughs. It works for anybody. They are principles of life not limited to christains. Also, don't get confused while saying that he has refused to bless those who trust in Him. It is not a 'natin' thing but a 'personal' thing. However, if the nation shall also apply the principles very well, it will prosper. Righteousness exalts a nation, sin is a reproach to any people.



There is lucidly a very wide gap to be covered. The country will do well when leaders who fear the Lord mount the thrones. As an individual, you will do well if you fear the Lord and then follow the financial principles judiciously.

Pastors aren't deceiving Nigerians rather i'll say they are more concerned about their pockets.
If they condemn the government and all its participants from the federal to local government level, they are loosing some of their 'tithers' and such can't buy the jet or Escalade they need to intimidate their members.

yes this country can change if the masses take charge and demand we are treated rightly like the blacks in USA the poster talked about or much like the Ivorians, Georgians or even the French in the 18th century. Since the pastors have an audience already, the onus falls on them to lead the charge.


I hope they do so bc i believe we have prayed and need some action. Churches should condemn human rights abuse and not keep quiet bc silence in some cases can mean approval.

  please we don't need more pastors in the church instead we need the Holy Spirit to guide us and please don't judge anyone, God loves u

Have you ever seen corruption b/4 MR mazaje!!??
Have you ever been to Cambodia before? Thailand…, Taiwan, South Easth Europe, Vietnan, China, even Philipine?? Countries where young boys of 16yrs to 35yrs have chosen to re-creat their-self’s from the original being! Surgicalizing out their man-hood from its original possition and creat a hole for a replacement like that of a woman!

 And the surgicalizing machine will smote their waist very broad to make it look like that of a woamn also, and their shoulder as well!! And will inject their jaw with an oxcid injection, so that there must not be a single hair grow on their jaw for ever and ever,,,, and will also shake  the muzle of their taigh (laps) and get it loosed and make it smoot and soft like that of a woman, and after this, the machine will hit the bones of their cheaps inside and make their cheaps smoot and soft, then finally the machine will help them to pump/shoot out a young virgin’s breast on their chest”
And after all this process, the machine will print some marks of the beast such as ( Rat, cat, dragon, lion, snake, anty, etc,) and give to them, some on their shoulder, while some on their hand, and some on their chest and some on their cheaps and so on.,,, And these boy’s shall never again wear men’s garments rather female apperel and female under-wears all their life, But they are highly respected and also very expensive in their halotory occupation because of the evil process they have under gone which cost some of them $10,000usd, and some $15,000usd, depending on the range/ level of beaulty such reqiure's.

And no man will ever recorgnise them as men, rather women b/because of their very long and shining hair on their heads, and they are multiplying exceedingly in numbers going every where seducing men and bringing them unto condemination,  and men are trooping and giving them a lot of money to go inn with them, beleaving that they are women, not knowing that they are men that have the strainght of men, but have that that seduce’s men also,!! And their Governmental officials are there saying that! We are not corrupt rather we are strong and holy nation that fears God!!

   HAVE YOU EVER OBSERVED THIS KIND OF THING B/FORE MR mazaje??,
If you have?! What are your advise to them? But if you have not!, why are you now than casting/condeming a nation like “NIGERIA” and her men of GOD? For sure! so many evangelists have observed fully on what that has been going on in so many churches where so many shephereds have chosen to strenghten the hands of evil doers in “NIGERIA” by praying and blessing the letters of “ 419” men, encourraging them to go ahead santifying the guns of robbers and encourraging the spirit of some Government officials to go ahead in the night time to less secured dometries and kidnap the innocent young virgin boy’s and girls, and kill them and shed their bloods under every green tree’s and upon rocks, and groven and standing images, begging the images to protect them  when they go into the offices (FOOLS) Yes, but upon those shepereds that care not for the needs of the widows that attend to church under their shepered hood with one skirt every Sunday,,,,,, rather chose to buy HELICOPTERS, AND JETS, PRADOS AND ESTATES…!!, Shall the plague of Detronomy & shame in the book of Jeremaih Chp 23 vrs 1&2 and Vrs 10 to 34, and in the book of Zachariah Chp 13Vrs 4.5.6.7.8.9 shall fall upon if they refuse to repent and serve faithfully.
God Bless You.

@greatben

The sin in Nigeria is so great but God's mercy is unexplainable. I must tell you that there are men that are righteous in Nigeria.

There are backsliden Pastors in Nigeria that will not even take the degree of Sin in other parts of the world. Look at our Anglican priest that have cut off themselves from their church because of the acceptance of gay Bishops.

Some will say why did the Tsunami Happen  Just look

Americans and other celebrities of the world that are involved in Child Sex( pedophiles) Go to the places(Asia) that this Tsunami badly Hit.

Note It happened in December and part of the first part of the year when film actor and other people travel to this places because they have dollar to spend and the poor people need the dollars.

There was a Village ( they live like stone age people) that was saved completely no deaths in this village the Americans and pedophiles did not go there!

Just look at how many Tourist were killed and the locals of the area were killed. This people have sex with C

It can't be a coincidence.

God is merciful and for us who remain alive let us live a Holy live.

shalom

@Great Ben, it is said that ignorance is bliss, after reading your post I say Ignorance is a very deadly disease.

I'm sure some man of god fed you all that crap you just you just regurgitated. Do yourself a favour and pick up something else to read besides the bible.
Surgicalizing machine? , I don't know why I'm laughing because I'm awestruck by your ignorance.