Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental?

I know how to answer folks like you, and that's with a question

Read 1 Tim 5, 6:3-4, pls make sure you read it

3 . . . [b]wholesome teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ and are the foundation for a godly life. TLB[/b]

When you read those passages you'll find that Paul was teaching about drinking, widows, and the ministerial work all of which the 4Gospels never recorded that Jesus Taught anyone in their account, so how did Apostle Paul got to know that there were indeed the wholesome teachings of Jesus Christ. SPIRITUAL INTUITION i guess, which is still as referred to as the GIFT OF KNOWLEDGE. do you understand?

Brilliantly put - one moment Jesus is the High Priest after the order of Melchisedek outside the Aaronic order of Levites, next thing, the Men of God are the levites who are supposed to present our tithes to the High Priest?? 

He is truly confused.

tonye-t is not arguing to learn the truth,he clearly knows to truth but has only chosen to become mischevious since obviously from the desperation in his posts he is benefitting from this scam and dosen't want it to end.

I only post here because I know others are reading this If tonye -t was the only one accessing this posts I would haved stopped posting long again.

Tonye-t will never shift ground ,he is benefittting from this criminal form of heresy,you can post because you want to educate innocent victims of his like not because you want to convince him that  compulsory tithing is illegal.

I wonder where he got this

how come you don't offer burnt offering since it also precede the law.Also tell me why St Paul condemned compulsory circumcision even when it precede the law.

This is heresy from the very pit of hell,it neither found in the bible nor the writings of the church fathers

Intermediaries for what? receiving and pocketing tithes? come on Tonye-t give it up. Let me quote an example of how we remits to Christ below.

34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' (NIV)


I honstly dont know what you are talking about here. I hope you are not refering to the activities in ACT 4:32-37


I am glad you came up with this quote Tonye-t. Now lets read it from verse 32 to 37 so we dont confuse other readers here

32All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. 34There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
 36Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), 37sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet. (NIV)

NOW Tonye-t THIS IS WHAT I CALL TRUE CHRISTIANITY!! Tonye-t, do you practice this in your church? observe the part where even a levite has to participate. I dont really think i need to analyse this further Tonye-t, the message is clear.


You are not a good teacher Tonye-t  If i have to take your courses seriously, i am definitely goning to fail Bible class!! Its more likely, you will be hearing from my lawyer instead of getting paid

Now most tithers keep talking about this "blessing tied in the practice". I dont see it. why dont you provide examples of these blessings not available to non tithers. Abi you want me to just accept like that and start tithing. In my dictionary that's 419. Give me examples and it possible i might end up tithing like you.



Haba Tonye-t, i thought you are the lecturer? It means you dont have a good understanding of the resources and materials you've been using to lecture us. That's why we're all going to fail your class  Anyway as a good student  to a bad lecturer  i will refer you to the book of Deuteronomy, careful reading will reveal that tithing is part of the law.

Lol, I had to wait for that. If there were just a few tithers like debosky, we're in trouble.

That truly might be puzzling. Guess what? if tithers use that same inference you suggested, anti-tithers would explode a new series of arguments to deny that same "inspiration"! I have seen this happen again and again, so please try and see that such an idea is not even scratching the surface. Many people I know who are self-confessed anti-tithers and anti-tithing theologians are never satisfied to see anybody tithe - in some cases they pride themselves with waging a "war" about ending tithing in "any shape or form". What baffles me is when I ask simple questions about what such theologians themselves are doing in the area of giving, they never are able to convince anyone that they can give beyond their loud mouths (I don't mean this against you personally). The logic is simple: at the end of the day, these folks do not know what it means to give; and because money is everyone's poison, a lot of people are happy to see giving in church condemned and stamped out! By experience, many anti-tithing theologians with their mischevous arguments do not know what giving is about in a practical way.


Nobody appreciates it either - and no, I didn't call you names if you read my queries in context. Many anti-tithers have no qualms labeling others with all sorts of idiosyncracies and appellations - and if you have been following this thread, you will see that I have repeatedly highlighted such attitudes as unnecessary while at the same time calling for reason in our discussions. So, no - I was not calling you names. I personalize my questions with a qualifier: "you lot" - especially for those who are self-confessed "anti-tithers". If you are such, my apologies (I did not see you as one until now, if that's what you want me to see you as).


If you tithe (10% or anything at all), what then is the argument all about? Please don't even try to impress me with the redundant argument of shouting "mandatory". But I would have supposed that as one who tithes (for personal preference), you would then have been able to easily see indeed that the whole anti-tithing debate is wrong-footed and ill-conceived indeed! Someone else might even argue that your "own decision" has no scriptural backing and therefore you fall into the list of tithers who do not know why they do so! Why demand "scripture" from others when you take the convenient road of "my own decision" - why 10% every month? Why not any other figure or percentage? Where did you learn to give 10% every month from your income? Did the idea just come out from the blues to you without your knowledge one way or another that 10% is also a tithe?

You see, this is why I have often stated my position - it does not matter two scoobies to me what anyone wants to argue on this subject. As far as I'm concerned, many anti-tithing arguments are childish complaints by minds too busy about absolutely nothing! In the same way, I do not see why pro-tithers should be trying to sweat out convincing any anti-tithers why they tithe. On either side, we can talk and deal with the real issues of our concerns instead of arguing from jingoism. If I give 10% every month (which unfortunately I do not - it varies), then I have no grounds to argue endless against others who do so! All I could do is reason with them on some of the things that I feel they got wrong. The same thing with my dealings with anti-tithers: I'm ready to discuss, and have shown this tendency so many times even outside Nairaland. My point is that we can all encourage tithing in a healthy way; not completely throw the baby out with the bath water and then sit back and bite our fingernails.


Oh please! What do you think you're sounding like? Your arguments are the least intelligent I have ever come across in recent times - so what is this overzealous attitude coming from you? This is the type of thing that is a put off where people assume a superiority and then fail to deliver! If you do not believe this or that, on what SCRIPTURAL basis do you argue your own 10% every month in the same manner?

This type of argument reminds me of what the apostle said in his epistle to the Romans: do you have faith? Have it to thyself! If one is giving 10% and believes others should do so, what then is the basis of your loud arguments and yet you do the same "10% every month"? The best that you can do is discuss with him without this overzealous attitude. Not long ago, ttalks made an observation that Tonye-t and viaro are tithers - we only disagree on how it could be done. I saw our disagreement from the onset and I tried to point out a few things to him. If you debosky also give "10% every month", perhaps someone might say that you're also a tither - the only difference is that you do not resort to Scripture for your "own decision". I, on the other hand, do so whenever I am able, both on Scriptural basis and my understanding of what those Scriptures say. If someone else says something I never noticed, I can appreciate them - whether they are "anti or pro", it doesn't matter.

Dear debosky, I did not expect this of you at all!


Pardon me, but what I see in yours is an equal set of dogmatism! Some of us should learn how to allow others the freedom we choose for ourselves without spewing unnecessary arguments that completely miss the point. I could say that in some way, we stand in the same place - to oppose dogmatism. But in my case, I stand completely against ANY type of dogmatism regardless of whether the person is an anti-tither or pro-tither! It is this characteristic anti-tithing dogmatism that I often like to waste for the emptiness it truly is!

bro, we can tithe - let that be by our volition. Me, I can confess my tithing is below the standard of what I see in Scripture, but I don't go making out myself to be anything above anyone. Do you realise that the anti-tithing argument is many times just red-herring?


The "tithing of dill and cummin" is NOT the only tithing in the entire Bible! If you look at the widow's giving, you may begin to see why so many Christians are shameless loud mouths who know how to argue endlessly about anti-this and anti-that and know next to nothing about real giving.

@Zikkyy,
Luxury this and that aside, please could you exegete on the verses as quoted in yours from Tonye-t? What are your thoughts thereto?

Please clarify so i can provide an appropriate response. Thanks

What do you mean? The basis for my statement is clear; the man is a tither, he tithes out of free will, he believes people should not be deceived into tithing i.e. people should chose their own motivations for doing things. What else do you want Viaro?

I should have simply said that the anti-tithing argumentations are simply rubbish and leave it there. It baffles me that so many people who are too glad to argue against tithing are waiting to see it as a "practice" before they get afoot on tithing themselves. So, if they see others tithing, they immediately get so disturbed that the whole strain of their anti-tithing arguments peters off on very unspiritual dogmatism.


I could care any less. Like I often said, I really don't care two scoobies what anyone wants to call me (and I have loads in return) nor do I care two rats behind what they call themselves. I do not mean by that to inflame passions indiscriminately, but this argument that polarises people to such divides in the Body of Christ is really unnecessary. That said, I repeat that I don't make you into anything that you don't identify as - I have stated that point so clearly. Let it be for those who have taken it as a career to be categorically called "ant-tithers".


I have not discussed tithes or giving as mandatory. Anti-tithers (in my experience) are too quick to guilt-trip themselves and others in their bid to wage a war against anyone tithing! That is simply an adventure on the wrong footing. On either side, the argument about and against guilts should not be cast as if one is arguing that 'my guilt trip is better than yours' - rather, it may do us far better deals to share truths with our brethren and encourage them to tithe. We many times stand as anti-tithers because we do not want to see other people tithe, not because we think that tithing is okay. If anti-tithers believe that it is good for people to tithe at all, then where's the argument in the first place?


Lol, where have I argued along such lines?


I see. Let others enjoy that personal preference as much without requiring them to produce scripture for their own preferences where you do not want to do so. The best arguments they may have may not measure up - that's fine: and then we can help them see things in a better perspective. So far what I see is the adventure of anti-tithers to stamp out tithing altogether - that is just what is dubious about this whole affair. If you do not see how dangerous this unspiritual dogmatism of anti-tithing arguments are, I should not be surprised. Someone has noted earlier that one of the things about my discussions is that I resent the way that anti-tithers go about trying to establish their misgivings on the subject - not that I could care any less whatever anyone wants to make of themselves about it.


I sense the same irritable and riscible self-importance there again. Your decision is thinly laced, not fully backed for your "10% every month". WHY then do you do it? The simple thing you're struggling with here is an inclination to make your own argument sound like law for others while still suffering from the same malady. Please pardon my tone, I do not mean to be accusative at all - but I often shake my head at reading people who think of their own self-importance more than others: and that applies to me as well, if you have noticed.


You cannot DEMAND anything. Nada, nothing, zilch. You can ask for references, not demand for them. It is this attitude of demanding things from people that you cannot yourself give that muddies the waters.

If I request such references and someone is not able to give them, I do not assume therefore that my arguments should be overwhelming upon that person. I could share with them why I think they're mistaking without trying to "demand" anything from them. If they assume that it should be a "MUST" in our lives, all we need do is leave them to their own persuasions and see how far they carry on that idea. Sooner than later, they soon begin to see what they never considered in the first place.

Now, the twist here is that many people in their over-reactive zeal begin to argue unnecessary and then start demanding what they themselves cannot deliver when queried. To make their concerns more dramatic, they begin to stretch things far too wide and then muddy the waters by illations of this and that MOG did so and thus, therefore x. y. z.


Lol, did I read you say "examples"? What "examples" - drawn from where? From Christians in the NT? That is good news. Bro, I'm not antagonizing you; but suppose an anti-tither came along and "DEMAND" that you show the examples where Christians gave 10%, what would you say?

I would like for you to see why I put you on spot: it's simply because what I've read from yours is the same mistake that anti-tithers make. You're doing a good thing by even giving at all; and 10% is not an easy feat - I know, because I do the same periodically. But if you have ever been in forums, blogs, or social networking sites where you try to argue this with "anti-tithers", you would come off simply sad and blistered. I know, because I have been there, argued with them, blasted their empty threats, and done all that. What surprises me is that most of these anti-tithers never ever try to be reasonable. For them, it is just one thing: they are ANTI-tithers in any form or shape - and nothing you say about 10% (whether voluntary or obligatorily) would ever appeal to them. The reason why I try to engage you is so you don't trail off making the very same damning anti-tithing mistake that many of them make.


And has my position not been made any clearer to you all this while?


Thank heavens for you; and no, I do not disparage you on that. I have other references that persuade me to tithe - and that verse does not stipulate any tithes at all. You can base your 10% everytime on that verse; but how many anti-tithers would you convince about tithing on that verse? I hope you see where I'm coming from? Anti-tithers often "DEMAND" people to prove from the NT that Christians should tithe at all. That has been the question that is at the center of their argument. Use 2 Cor. 9:7 and they would simply laugh at your attempt as being lame. For me, even though one can argue out that verse as not supporting tithing, I yet can appreciate that as worthy of note for your own persuasion - and I don't have to demand anything from you thereto.

Now, if Tonye-t had used those same references (2 Corinthians 9:7) to discuss his reason for tithing under the topic of "Who Says Tithing Is Not New Testamental?" do you think anti-tithers would have been happy to applaud that? Even if he did not argue from that verse that it is a "MUST", do you think that anti-tithers would have encouraged the use of that verse for tithing in the NT? No, they would NOT. I know, because I've used it elsewhere many times, and anti-tithers have always argued to the contrary, even though I tried to reason with them that my discussions are not making any type of giving a mandatory thing. What we often fail to realise is that every time we think we're damn too smart in our own backyards than other Christians, there's always a point along the road where our own superiority get wasted.


You don't get it, do you? One minute you're drawing 2 Corinthians 9:7 to argue for your own tithing; and then you don't believe there is any scriptural evidence in the NT for that. Good man - but such inconsistencies are the very things I had already highlighted in your style of argumentations; and no one needs tell you that is a waste of time and space. It would be the same for me to argue that I have scripture for my "23% every month" (that is tithing for some theologians), and then turn round to argue that I don't believe there is any scriptural support for that same thing! This is why I'd rather look at the way we Christians shout at one another and wonder what use there really is in this adventures that are going nowhere?


That's okay. I truly get the point in your inconsistencies; so there's really nothing further to highlight there, is there?


That's not the only thing to "disprove" - we should also disprove those rubbish that anti-tithers have repeatedly peddled for their career to pat themselves on the back as they divide the Body of Christ on false alarms. I did that a couple of times with the deliberate falsehood of Ernest L. Martin who is as much an anti-tither as any comes in grey colours. My point is that if we are going to sit here all day trying to disprove this and that, it should cover all platforms, including those deliberate falsehoods peddled by anti-tithers themselves. The finger should not always and only be on those who would like to tithe - and if you cannot recognize that the falsehood of anti-tithers are equally hideous, what really can you understand?


If you haven't noticed, I'm always open to discussions - let anyone (including you) read whatever they want. There is just no line where anyone would accuse me of making any type of giving a compulsory act; so if anyone is going to be zealous enough to fault me on that one, I wish them grand luck!


Have I called you an anti-tither, debosky? What is all this pity-party you often sound out? Is it too much to examine your own "10% every month" if you believe that you're right and others are necessarily wrong? What kind of dancing around am I reading from you?


The only reference by Christ is NOT the "only" reference to tithing in the Bible. I was on course to make that point clear; so what is this tangential counter you see in my statement that you necessarily have to highlight and yet fail to see the fact in my statement? Was the reference in Christ's statement the ONLY Biblical tithing you read in the entire Scripture? Are dill and cummin the only types of TITHES in the Bible? What is so big a deal that you want to see tangent on that and fail to see that is a clear point in line with the same topic being discussed?


I await any other over zealous reaction you may be delighted to produce - and I shall be too glad to waste their non-qualitative utility.

In many things we essentially agree - and I've made just about the same points earlier. The thing I find funny is that anytime people say anything, we tend to be up in arms while trying to convey our own points. This was why I was wondering that your first line of defence was the reference to luxury etc. Anyhow, that's the point I wanted you to clear, not that I skipped through your earlier response.