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eldee (m)
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tru BUT,  Rap IS Hip hop MUSIC. Hip hop culture as a whole goes beyond rap tho (i know i'm preachin to the choir here) . . . but the other elements of hip hop CULTURE are nowhere as colossal as rap is. So I think it's safe to say that rap IS hip hop , to a certain extent (globally). I mean i'm sure there are small pockets of breakdancers and graffiti artists everywhere, but rap-junkies full ground. That's what I'm saying . . . Jigga changed hiphop without changing rap. Forget graffiti, Jay-z influenced fashion, movies and many other things, he even the perception people had bout hiphop. He shattered the stereotype . . . hiphop artistes used to be either clowns or convicts. Right now, rappers won't look out of place in the White House, compare that to the early 90s |
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eldee (m)
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Young voters are not dumb. . . . . . .Everyone wanted a change from the whole Middle-East interference the Republicans seem to involve in.
Eminem's "Mosh" in 2003 changed the mind of young voters in America but the release was too late to have made an impact back then.
Eminem is fcuking white bruv . . . half the hiphop community still refuse to see him as a rapper Besides, you can't throw Eminem at me, Eminem was telling us not to vote  Strange to the whites? Hehehehehe, Eldee. . . .Don't hurt yourself.
Biggie Smallz did a track with MJ in 1995. . . . . ."This Time Around".
As I said before, they did hiphop when it was sumn new They brought it to them . . . |
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Krayola2 (m)
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Pac and Biggie did rap when it was still strange to the whites
I agree to some extent that Jay-Z has done a lot to improve the image of rappers. But, who brought rap to white people on a mass scale. . .don't ever get it twisted. NWA They went platinum b4 Jay Z, or biggie, or tupac, could spell "Gold". It was sub urban white kids that took NWA to the top. Didn't do much to help the image of the negro though. that na why when dre endorsed Eminem, that was all the validation he needed. The "God" had spoken |
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eldee (m)
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Rihanna's voice will tear apart most rappers . . . you can't compete for attention against such a strong voice She destroyed T.I on My Life . . . Jay-Z just had to take the back seat, especially as what he was talking about was not half as metaphorical as she was. Kanye only got heard on that track because the beat went low for his opening, he got lost at the end He collaborated with NO-ID to steal Jay-Z's shine  |
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eldee (m)
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I agree to some extent that Jay-Z has done a lot to improve the image of rappers. But, who brought rap to white people on a mass scale. . .don't ever get it twisted. NWA They went platinum b4 Jay Z, or biggie, or tupac, could spell "Gold". It was sub urban white kids that took NWA to the top. Didn't do much to help the image of the negro though. that na why when dre endorsed Eminem, that was all the validation he needed. The "God" had spoken Dre didn't need to sell Eminem to the whites regardless of their social class . . . just like no one had to sell Will Smith to black pips Dre's validation only made the blacks accept him, it helped him erase the ethnic boundary. I heard sum MP on Andrew Marr show saying 'The best rapper happens to be white, the best golfer happens to be black' . . . I agree with you, but everyone knows NWA were too rebellious/shocking to sell to the Middle-class white folks You don't sell 'mess the Police' to rich kids. |
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~Sauron~
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Eminem is fcuking white bruv . . . half the hiphop community still refuse to see him as a rapper Besides, you can't throw Eminem at me, Eminem was telling us not to vote Cos as at then. . . . . .There was no credible Presidential aspirant. But the youths knew there had to be a change. . . . . .U woulda won as a Presidential aspirant if you were a democrat like Obama. As I said before, they did hiphop when it was sumn new
They brought it to them . . .
Hip-hop wasn't new in 1995. Niggaz were already bursting the platinum scale with ease. Rihanna's voice will tear apart most rappers . . . you can't compete for attention against such a strong voice
She destroyed T.I on My Life . . .
Jay-Z just had to take the back seat, especially as what he was talking about was not half as metaphorical as she was.
It was a land-slide victory. Even 'Ye was tighter than Jigga on that track. Kanye only got heard on that track because the beat went low for his opening, he got lost at the end He collaborated with NO-ID to steal Jay-Z's shine Hmmmmmmmmm. It's a good effort but it pales in comparison to Blueprint(2001). |
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chic2pimp (m)
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SHARON seems to be hating on Jigga. Haba don't hate jare,rather appreciate his music.
Jay z definitely helped Obama get younger and minority voters. We all know he overstated his influence on em' young voters however that should not distract from the fact he helped.
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chic2pimp (m)
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Rihanna's voice will tear apart most rappers . . . you can't compete for attention against such a strong voice
She destroyed T.I on My Life . . .
Rihanna's voice sounds like a cat being strangled. That appaling voice of hers does grate on my nerves. |
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eldee (m)
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Cos as at then. . . . . .There was no credible Presidential aspirant.
But the youths knew there had to be a change. . . . . .U woulda won as a Presidential aspirant if you were a democrat like Obama.
Rappers spent decades telling us not to vote . . . others were not smart/powerful enough to talk about politics and be listened to You have to admit, Jay-Z had an impact in the surge of young African American voters, it might have been minimal, but it was bigger than any other rapper's. |
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eldee (m)
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Rihanna's voice sounds like a cat being strangled. That appaling voice of hers does grate on my nerves.
Different strokes, different folks |
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~Sauron~
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Rappers spent decades telling us not to vote . . . others were not smart/powerful enough to talk about politics and be listened to
You have to admit, Jay-Z had an impact in the surge of young African American voters, it might have been minimal, but it was bigger than any other rapper's.
I disagree jare. Nas already made a song concerning that election last year. All the major music awards were like VOTE OBAMA. Jamie Foxx mentioned it more than 50 times in one of the awards. |
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eldee (m)
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I disagree jare. Nas already made a song concerning that election last year. All the major music awards were like VOTE OBAMA. Jamie Foxx mentioned it more than 50 times in one of the awards. I refuse to interrupt my The Blueprint 3 listening session |
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Krayola2 (m)
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Dre didn't need to sell Eminem to the whites regardless of their social class . . . just like no one had to sell Will Smith to black pips Dre's validation only made the blacks accept him, it helped him erase the ethnic boundary. I heard sum MP on Andrew Marr show saying 'The best rapper happens to be white, the best golfer happens to be black' . . . I agree with you, but everyone knows NWA were too rebellious/shocking to sell to the Middle-class white folks You don't sell 'mess the Police' to rich kids. Eminem sold because he was tight as a virgin's stitched up punani. Dre's endorsement just made it instantaneous. All dre's fans jumped on it. Timbaland tried it with Bubba sparx and flopped big time. This racial division thing is overblown. . .ity really doesn't apply when it comes to youth. Black people will buy white rap if it's tight. Black people LOVED vanilla ice (maybe not all his shit, but ICE ICE BABY. I lie?) He became a joke when his album dropped and it was wack. It wasn't becuse he ws white he flopped, but because he was wack. . even white people dropped him. The NWA machine is very powerful. People for the most part underestimate how big NWA was. Eazy E's group, bone thugs and harmony, is still the highest selling rap group in history. U need to go to some underground hip hop joints and see how white people lose their heads when NWA comes on. I can say with full confidence, that White kids, rich, poor, whateva, made NWA. they sold to white kids like hot cakes. of course parents and govt had problems with it. But anyone that understand pop culture knows that the more provocative sumn is, the more sellable it is. Thats just how it works. |
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~Sauron~
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Eminem sold because he was tight as a virgin's stitched up punani. Dre's endorsement just made it instantaneous. All dre's fans jumped on it. Timbaland tried it with Bubba sparx and flopped big time. This racial division thing is overblown. . .ity really doesn't apply when it comes to youth. Black people will buy white rap if it's tight. Black people LOVED vanilla ice (maybe not all his shit, but ICE ICE BABY. I lie?) He became a joke when his album dropped and it was wack. It wasn't becuse he ws white he flopped, but because he was wack. . even white people dropped him.
I agree. . . . . Eminem is tighter than a nun's fanny. |
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chic2pimp (m)
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Eminem sold because he was tight as a virgin's stitched up punani. Dre's endorsement just made it instantaneous. All dre's fans jumped on it. Timbaland tried it with Bubba sparx and flopped big time. This racial division thing is overblown. . .ity really doesn't apply when it comes to youth. Black people will buy white rap if it's tight. Black people LOVED vanilla ice (maybe not all his shit, but ICE ICE BABY. I lie?) He became a joke when his album dropped and it was wack. It wasn't becuse he ws white he flopped, but because he was wack. . even white people dropped him.
The NWA machine is very powerful. People for the most part underestimate how big NWA was.
Eazy E's group, bone thugs and harmony, is still the highest selling rap group in history.
U need to go to some underground hip hop joints and see how white people lose their heads when NWA comes on. I can say with full confidence, that White kids, rich, poor, whateva, made NWA. they sold to white kids like hot cakes. of course parents and govt had problems with it, but anyone that understand pop culture knows that he more provocative sumn is, the more sellable it is. Thats just how it works.
No white kids,minimal amount of rap album sold. Its that simple. Around 80% of rap albums are bought by white kids. Bubba was the worse piece of shyte I have ever heard. GOD coulda endorsed him and he still woulda flopped. |
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eldee (m)
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Baby I'm a boss, i don't know what they do
I don't get dropped, I drop the label - Jay-Z On to The Next One
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~Sauron~
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No white kids,minimal amount of rap album sold. Its that simple. Around 80% of rap albums are bought by white kids.
And that's the gospel TRUTH. It's so sad that whenever Eminem drops, other black rappers are happy. Cos when these white guys go to HMV or Virgin Megastores to buy Eminem's records, they end up picking up few albums of other artistes!!! This has been the trend for the past 10 years. |
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eldee (m)
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When I say Hov is bigger than rap, yous lot don't get me He's got beef with the auto-tune, he blacklisted an exotic wine big-shot and then he drops his record label. That's not what rappers do, that's what mega-artistes do as a daily routine |
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~Sauron~
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When I say Hov is bigger than rap, yous lot don't get me He's got beef with the auto-tune, he blacklisted an exotic wine big-shot and then he drops his record label. That's not what rappers do, that's what mega-artistes do as a daily routine U have overblown this issue and the more i listen to this album, the more i get bored. I am distorting the time line jare. . . . . .Lemme go listen to 2000 B.C. |
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eldee (m)
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U have overblown this issue and the more i listen to this album, the more i get bored. I am distorting the time line jare. . . . . .Lemme go listen to 2000 B.C. Hehehe . . . that dude needs a Kanye in his life Or he should just go battle on Freestyle Friday Don't you ever get tired of listening to a guy 'forming gangster on Facebook' in Modenine's words I'll start listening to him when he finally cuts sumone from ear to ear |
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Krayola2 (m)
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Back on topic, blueprint 3 is a masterpiece.
NOT OPEN TO DEBATE!!
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~Sauron~
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Back on topic, blueprint 3 is a masterpiece.
NOT OPEN TO DEBATE!!
I disagree. . . . . . . .It is nothing as crisp as BLUEPRINT, ALL EYEZ ON ME, READY TO DIE or ILLMATIC. Hehehe . . . that dude needs a Kanye in his life Or he should just go battle on Freestyle Friday Hehehehehehehe. . . . . . . .He doesn't need Freestyle Friday to Battle. He has killed all the big boys in the rap game lyrically. Forming Gangster? Bis joined the ARMY and went to Iraq. Musta killed few Sunnis when he got drafted. |
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eldee (m)
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It isn't as rampant as it used to be. A lot has changed since the 90s |
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Krayola2 (m)
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It isn't as rampant as it used to be.
A lot has changed since the 90s
I feel u. I guess cause i'm in canada though. Sometimes white people almost look like the minority here (in some big cities). This place is so diverse that when u make race an issue people sometimes look at u like u're from the stone ages. |
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Vuitton (m)
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Baby I'm a boss, i don't know what they do
I don't get dropped, I drop the label - Jay-Z On to The Next One
The swag is maddd  When I say Hov is bigger than rap, yous lot don't get me He's got beef with the auto-tune, he blacklisted an exotic wine big-shot and then he drops his record label. That's not what rappers do, that's what mega-artistes do as a daily routine The guy is my role model  |
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chic2pimp (m)
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It's kinda sad how a few bad elements lead to all these negative stereotypes. Racism isn't as rampant as people like to make it out to be. Especially in young people. My ex used to buy me CDs of stuff i liked all the time, even when i already downloaded the shit (i be naija boy i no send) . I used to tell her she was just plain stupid, but she didn't care. If not for white people rappers would be driving honda civics. Funny but true. There are certain rap artist I can listen to all day and not get tired of hearing them rap i.e biggie,pac,jigga,nas,eminem.There are also many rappers who are not mainstream but their lyrics are sick. They will merk many of this overhyped mainstream duds |
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eldee (m)
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Men lie, women lie, numbers don't - Reminder (Referring to the fact that he's had more No 1 albums than MJ, Rolling Stones, Elvis, etc) I feel u.
I guess cause i'm in canada though. Sometimes white people almost look like the minority here (in some big cities). This place is so diverse that when u make race an issue people sometimes look at u like u're from the stone ages.
In the UK . . . Upper Middle Class + Black = Immunity Class is stronger than race, erm except if you're Paki though That's why I was always trying to differentiate the middle class whites from the inner-city kids. Urban white dudes are wiggas . . . No white kids,minimal amount of rap album sold. Its that simple. Around 80% of rap albums are bought by white kids.
That's since the 2000's In the 80's and 90's, blacks used to by hiphop albums, that's the only way 80's rappers survived before the appeal gripped the Jews.
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chic2pimp (m)
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That's since the 2000's
In the 80's and 90's, blacks used to by hiphop albums, that's the only way 80's rappers survived before the appeal gripped the Jews.
Blacks have always bought and would continue to buy rap albums.We are those 80's rappers now ehn?  Their mates are busy driving ferrari,lamborghini's,porsche e.t.c while they wallow in poverty. |
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Krayola2 (m)
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Blacks have always bought rap albums and would continue to buy.We are those 80's rappers now ehn? Their mates are busy driving ferrari,lamborghini's,porsche e.t.c while they wallow in poverty. haha. I was just goin to say sumn to that effect. NWA started it. . .then death row, then bad boy., then the master p's and cash moneys. .the rest is history. But NWA opened the door, and it was because the white kids just ate up that gangsta shit. Eazy E was a genius. . .a real street hustler. He was the one with the vision. He started all this shit.Even Dre was his bitch . |
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eldee (m)
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Blacks have always bought and would continue to buy rap albums.We are those 80's rappers now ehn? Their mates are busy driving ferrari,lamborghini's,porsche e.t.c while they wallow in poverty. Why're you contradicting your last post?? You said 80% of hiphop sales are from white people. And I'm saying those stats cannot be applied to the 90's. |
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Krayola2 (m)
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And I'm saying those stats cannot be applied to the 90's.
NWA was mid to late eighties, then came dre and death row. Tupac had to leave interscope for deathrow cause he wasn't makin no money. . .they wouldn't even help him get out of jail. It was that whole gangsta shit that made hip hop what it is today. White people didn't get on it till it was about gunz, bitchez, and hos , and thats when the money started pourin in. Thats just the sad truth. |
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