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shango (m)
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I was born in Kaduna and have been to Sokoto, Jos, and other Northern states. I lived in Kadua for 15 years. Kaduna is one of the least populated areas in Nigeria. WHen they held census there in the 80's, mallams where counting their cattle as part of the census. Thats how these bastards over there perpetuate the fraud that they are a majority in Nigeria when they are infact a minority. You people need to actual visit these northern states, northerners say you do not find them abroad and in other Nigerian cities, well go to their own cities. They are hardly populated. If Hausas and Fulanis made up even 20% of the population of Nigeria I would be suprised.
You see the CIA world factbook, wikipedia, our census data, all these sources say they are the Majority. What an excellent scare tactic. Its almost as good as the one they use saying they actual hold degrees from bullshit Universities and/or Degrees in University programs that are bullshit.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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You see that is the problem I have with you, this issue of defending the North appears conniving to me, I would have preferred a Northerner telling me these,if the northerners are not in Lack of aplomb and intelect, we would have seen many of them here contributing and defending there so called one Nigeria dream, unfortunately seun's survey proves that they are only about 3% of Nairaland's population which does not do justice to the claim that the northerners are the most populated group in Nigeria, then you want to ask yourself, if the population thing is a myth or they are just the dumbest. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-25139.0.html#msg651459I've said it before and I say it again, the northerners are not the most populated in Nigeria, Hell no.
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mgboloyd (m)
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D northerners r d list populated that was y dey objected to the id card project when it was fest brot up.d igbos ar d most populated because dey can b found in evry part of d country.landmass was used 2 detamin d population before because dey tort biga d land d higha d population.
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shango (m)
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I've said it before and I say it again, the northerners are not the most populated in Nigeria, Hell no. who was that crazy nut you where replying too? He said the Northerners would make good allies? Against who? The Yorubas? Has he forgotten the Biafra war? Or recently when those Dutch cartoons came out and those crazy radical sunnis that comprise the Hausa tribe started killing Igbo Catholics even though the perpetrators of the comics where WHITE and DUTCH. And you are right, without question Igbos are the most populous, and it saddens me that they have most of the oil and the least say in the country while the most illeterate and brutal group in Nigeria holds all the power and has it in their head that it is their God given right and emulate their so called Arab bretheren who view them as less than monkeys. Unfortunately Islam is a way of life, so they can never seperate religion from life like modern Christians can, and as such will always have stupid things like Sharia and religious killings.
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I don't think we should be tribalistic on this site, why must we attack a particular tribe, what has their popluation got to do with the way OBJ has destoyed the Nigerian State? The site is for Nigerians and not for southerners, I have read very resourceful write ups here and have been enlightened but not to mention tribalism please, if we do, then we have problems as youths, we should drift away from this old political weapon being used by our selfish politicians, a Nigerian is a Nigerian what concerns an Hausa definitely is the concern of an Ibo, Ijaw or others. Let us build a virile and lovely Nigeria. I think the moderator should include this in the rules, any posting should not attack either tribe or religion, in that we will have a good forum. I am a Yoruba man and I do know we yorubas are the most tribalistic, I wont be suprised if the person that posted the thread is a yoruba. Please lets unite this country regardless of tribe or religion.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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who was that crazy nut you where replying too? He said the Northerners would make good allies? Against who? The Yorubas? Has he forgotten the Biafra war? It amazes me that he Chxta goes about with such a blind agitprop, how can somebody eschew himself of a very naked reality, you start to think that his thoughts were derived from a vested selfish interest. Or recently when those Dutch cartoons came out and those crazy radical sunnis that comprise the Hausa tribe started killing Igbo Catholics even though the perpetrators of the comics where WHITE and DUTCH. You see, to them we are just in the same group as the Europeans, is that the kind of man you will see and have the gut to call him your brother, is on record that the Yoruba's has a very substantial Numbers of Muslims, but fortunately you don't see them running around killing there fellow Nigerians because of Religion, the Hausa's are clannish, they are just like The Somalians and the Eritreans or the Northern Sudanese who sees themselves as Arabs And you are right, without question Gobs are the most populous, and it saddens me that they have most of the oil and the least say in the country while the most illeterate and brutal group in Nigeria holds all the power and has it in their head that it is their God given right and emulate their so called Arab bretheren who view them as less than monkeys. These is an opportunity for the Southerners to unite and take the power from them for keeps [that is if the southerners Knows what is good for them], lets face facts they are compromised now because of there terrorism and there psycho Islamic fanaticism, The Nigeria wealth is not in there land which makes them nothing like the Middle East, where they would have to be dealt with no matter how blood thirsty they are, they would surely wake up one day and found out that they are just a bunch of wastrels. Unfortunately Islam is a way of life, so they can never seperate religion from life like modern Christians can, and as such will always have stupid things like Sharia and religious killings.
You are just right, I can't agree more, If anybody is thinking of forming any unity with a group of Islamic psychotic nonentities then I consider the persons power of cogitation indigent. emulate their so called Arab bretheren who view them as less than monkeys. The Arabs surely consider them less than donkeys, the few ones that has stayed in Saudi should be able to confirm that.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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I don't think we should be tribalistic on this site, why must we attack a particular tribe, what has their popluation got to do with the way OBJ has destoyed the Nigerian State? The site is for Nigerians and not for southerners, I have read very resourceful write ups here and have been enlightened but not to mention tribalism please, if we do, then we have problems as youths, we should drift away from this old political weapon being used by our selfish politicians Does this old political weapon include killing the southern Christians each time the North wants to get high. , a Nigerian is a Nigerian what concerns an Hausa definitely is the concern of an Ibo, Ijaw or others. Let us build a virile and lovely Nigeria What that concerns the Igbo's now is that Igbo's are slaughtered in The North, does that concern the Hausa's too, hell no, if it does concern the Hausa's, then the Gworo teeth Mallams wont be carrying out killing sprees, would they?. . I think the moderator should include this in the rules, any posting should not attack either tribe or religion, in that we will have a good forum. I am a Yoruba man and I do know we yorubas are the most tribalistic, I wont be suprised if the person that posted the thread is a yoruba. Please lets unite this country regardless of tribe or religion.
You are right, the Yoruba's might be given to jives, but is on record that nobody has died because of that, if the government enacts a law that out laws tribalism that would be it, tell me gentleman what law can you use to fight Islamic fanaticism and terrorism, non, or America wont be fighting terrorism today with an open warfare.
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lewa (m)
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9-5 the few posts emanating from the northern bros is amazing- Segoye, Alwahidi,Bigdonkey! "Lack of applomb and intellect"Could someone post a forum you could find them on the internet? 
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lewa (m)
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Shoory for digressing and before the politically correct scream blood i'm no tribalist but a realist! 
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davidylan (m)
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Are we just becoming aware of this? Have we not known that Nigeria is a fraud built on a foundation of lies and hypocrisy and perpetuated by those who stand to gain the most from it but contribute the least to it?
There are NO northerners in sports, none in the mainstream Nigerian media TV, Radio, papers), none in private industry and none on nigerian forums. Does that not speak much for their predilection for indolence and mediocrity? Yet these same men are in the corridors of power, is it a coincidence that Nigeria as the 6th largest producer of crude oil has a 49% illiteracy level and 70% of the population live on less than $1 a day?
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shango (m)
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well to be fair we southerners, Yorubas and Igbos, that make up the educated and most schooled in the Nation are allowing this deception and con to go on. America was once a colony of the British and they revolted and said enough. We Nigerians must be very happy with the situations as the only people revolting right now are the Delta Militants. And infact those militants are some of the most caring ones I have ever read up on. Most other militants in a similar situation would have been killed their hostages and treated them like shit (wether it is justified or not).
When MKO was assasinated I expected an uproar and we got none. That was when I knew that as a nation in our current form, we where doomed to fail.
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Danmasani (m)
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At all the bastards here trying to rubbish Northern Nigeria, i'll confront you head on. The problem with Nigeria is that we have to much numbskulls, nut heads thinking their fathers are clean and haven't soiled their linen with dirt. Times without number in the forum have i argued with stark tribalistic Nigerians who see absolutelty nothing coming from the North. You degrade us as if we were second class citizens. We are not. You stay in your cocoons, naive and completely unaware of what a northerner is and throw out the fastest rubbish you can churn out. Imagine nonsense from Davidylan saying no northerner has contributed to the Nigerian project. David, i'm dissapointed that your hatred has blinded you not to see good in anything Northerner Nigeria. Aliko Dangote,Nuhu Ribadu, Nasir El Rufai, Celestine Babayaro among many others to numerous to mention. You say we do not join forums like this. Yes, true. Few northerners join forums like this and most are turned off by the incessant rants we see from people thinking they are better than us. The North did not mess up Nigeria. Everyone did. You say we are at the corriddors of power, last time i checked, Olusegun Obasanjo has spent almost 10 years being president and he has nothing to show for it( Just like Abacha and Babangida). Tafa Balogun stole billions of naira and they north caused it. Calls us illiterates, imbecilles, cattle rearers and all sorts of names, thats exactly the profile of a tribalistic bigot. Shango says he stayed in the north and brings fallacy to this forum. I urged his dumb ass to go back and understand what Northern Nigeria is about. Kano is very much populated, so is Kaduna and other major parts. Go and check the data for yourself, don't just sit down whereever the mess you are and make conclusions. It's time something is done to this whole agenda of placing blames on other sections of the country. Most 419 crimes and disturbing issues about Nigeria here emanate from people from the south. Yet no one person sees this as a southern problem but as a Nigerian quagmire. True Nigerians must eschew tribalistic bigotry. It is the 21st century for God's sack!
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Seun (m)
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I apologize on behalf of my bigotted brethren from the South. They don't know what they are saying.
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Donzman (m)
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Yeah Kano is populated but there are lots of Southerners there. I heard Babayaro was Igbo but he ended up being raised by an Hausa man, how many Hausa people answer Celestine?
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lewa (m)
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ooch, mallam don't go there!Leave our folks out this. Don't go there.
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lewa (m)
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Dear mallam May i be permitted to say a few words! Firstly i have a policy regarding abuse-i'm no bastard and i presume it was written in a moment of passion. Secondly, for over 46 years of independence, how many years did the south rule?Mostly northerners ie Murtala,Shagari,IBB, and Buhari put us as a nation the the economic quagmire we are in. Do some homework and check the economic indices of Nigeria were abysmal and continued to deepen as power passed from one northerner to another. Dikko stole almost $2bn in 1983, Abacha recently named thief of all times and IBB made away with $12bn!Tafa was caught wasn't he by a southern president who tried to put mechanisms in place to check looting. The looting and pillaging during IBB,Shagari and Abacha yeras went unchecked! Yes the rot in Nigeria could not be blamed to one tribe,almost all the tribes have equal participants but one president in the USput on his table in the oval office"the buck stops here".The leaders should take blame for the rot that flourished under them and since the leaders came from a certain tribe, what more can i say? Your vehemenous post leaves something out!It's the belief of the northern elite that it's their birthright to rule Nigeria by all costs-to pauperise us,to islamise us and rule roughshod over other ethnic groups.Ahmadu Bello echoed this pre independence and some of stock notably Shehu Malami have said this over the years. This is fact!Can you respond to this! The civil service until recently had a disproportionate ratio of northern bureaucrats to southern ones because the variouis years of northern rule had given way to tribalism nepotism and a decrepit civil saervice. Your hero Murtala Mohammed started this by his mass sack in the civil sarvice and the introduction of "quota system " in the all sectors.Subsequently a plague had descended upon the service worsened further by IBB.Under Abacha 10 ministers were from Kano! Jubril Aminu who is the architect of the rot in our educational system had said has far back as 1975 that the North was well behind the south educationally and that the south must slow down for the north. This is pure fact!Why did he make such an assertion ?How many of his colleagues at that time were northerners?As education minister hes sinister plans to frustrate us is public knowledge. Now take for the last 30 yeras admissions into high schools and colleges!The south dominates,even schools such as ABU, UNIJOS which i regard as the bastion of northern tertiary education is filled with soutrhern students and a great number of southern teaching staff! You guys have no penchance for education. That is the honest truth. My uncle worked with the NUC some decades ago and said it was glaring.Only those childeren of the elite mostly go to school i mean till at least college level.In the south most families would boast at least a family member that attended a poly or college.
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lewa (m)
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For those that were lucky to attend federal schols the northern states had different cut-off marks,extremely low and for colleges different scopes were usedsuch as "educationally less disadvantaged", to at least shore up admissions from the north! Now yaro, if you were indeed not as stupid or mentally slower than your southern counterparts all these tricks formulated by Aminu would be unnecessary because the" brilliant northern student"' would be able to hold his against his southern contemporary! I have family members that have served as far as Bauchi, Kano, Sokoto, Borno,Yobe, Zamfara and it's the same. Ignorance foisted upon the indigenes by their rulers so that they could continue to be servile and leave in the dark ages- i mean those in the rural areas!The Sultan and the Emirs rejected Western education when the missionaries came calling them infidels so that their people would not be enlightened!That is why your brothers kill southerners in the name of religion and nothing is done. Barabaric acts get committed and you say i have no right to call them imbeciles or savages? So it's only Nuhu, El Rufai that your poor brain can regurgitate- most fields are pioneered by southernres- busineess, education. health, manufacturing, banking. Dangote has southerners as his bankers and friends. Best friend is a southerner?Why?because of the very reason of exposure.My generation has been empowered by the previous by being enlightened and c'mon theres no use deying it- you guys are in the minority in that regards! Now the question of being tribalistic is a potent one. Majority of us are, some apologetic some not.Northerners too are. Buhari is one, Shehu Malami,Emir of Gwandu,Wada Nas, Gwarzo, have one time or the other made r tribalistic remarks in the papers. Maitaisine and Zaky el Zaky readily come to mind!So we all are in a way guilty of the crime you accuse us of?We work with precedence and some view the north with suspicion, your generation might be different but we may have to wait to see it manifest!So until religious bigotry, intolerance of other people's views,looting maimimg and plunder in the name of religion are done with , then we may say something different! Please what other disturbing issue emanate from the south?419 is mainly a southern thingy because i know that information flow and technological advancements are still at best elementary in your paradise!Any one who get's conned out of greed has himself to blame! May i add that mostly northerners i have met in my sojourn abroad are always progeny of the elite! Is there a problem there?Where is the common Sule, Ahmed or Baba?
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lewa (m)
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Bros admin, once again i'm a realist and not a bigot 
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Danmasani (m)
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Lewa, your post simply attest more to a bigot. Are we educationally disadvantage? Yes. Have we got northern zealots in our midst? Yes. Do we have religious riots? No doubt. But that does not in any way make us lesser people. People fall, make mistakes and rise again. And the north will rise! You speak of admissions in Universities, the highest rates of malpractice is both WAEC and Jamb is experienced in the south. My first year in MBBS at ABU Zaria revealed alot to me. I saw people with scores as high as 290 in Jamb from the south but couldnt put shit on paper. That attest more to your edcuational prowess over us abi. To say that we are all dumb is simply words of an idiot. What you say Jubril Aminu did is practised all over the world. It has various names: Educational Oppurtunity Program (USA),black educational empowerement(SouthAfrica) among others. I see nothing wrong with a Northern University admitting MOSTLY Northerners in her school. Even NewYork State does it! So also does UI,UNIBEN and every other institution. Southerners are even given spots in Northern Universities but not the other way rounbd and no one has raised an eyebrow! You say most fields are pioneered by southerners, true, but how many years of educational advantage over us have you guys had, we'll will catch up. That for sure is certain. Buhari fought against corruption as vehemently as possible more than any other Head of State in Nigerian history together with Tunde Idiagbon( another Northerner). Buhari persecuted and jailed tons of northerners involved in corruption: Mantu,Umaru Dikkko among others. So also did Murtala Mohammed. so don't come by splashing nonsense about Obasanjo who only persecutes his enemies. Ever Heard of Joseph Makanjuola? Stole from the defence ministry and hasn't being found. How about Stella Obasanjo and the COJA and CHOGM deals. How about Tony Anenih and missing 300Billion Naira? How about Andy Uba and current travails with US authorities. How about Plateau state's treasury that went into funding Obasanjo 2003 campaign? EFCC doesn't go near there right. some people are untouchable and the rest are vulnerable right? 2007 will reveal alot. Nigeria's Presidency is nobody's birthright. No one stopped you from engaging in Coups. No one elected any coupist to be a leader also. so don't come telling me that the north ruled for 42 years. Not one person elected Babangida nor Abacha. They are violently lead their ways with the help of southern officers to our Presidency. And everyone helped ruin it. Oladipo Diya once said MKO was not Nigeria's messiah and deserved to be jailed. Yet no one sees this wrong. Instead Al-Mustapha is the sole culprit. MKO was helped in his elections by mostly Northern elements: Yaradua, Solomon Lar,Zwingina, Jubril Aminu among others. Even his opponent Bashir Tofa lost his ward for MKO Abiola. Obasanjo himself was voted in 1999 by mostly Northerners and got a substantial part of 2003 from the North too. Same can never be said of the intense tribal politics of the southwest. You questions our traditional rulers and rulers, how about yours. Arisekola Alao, Lamidi Adedibu, Alafin among others have all soiled their cloaks. Yet you fail to see this and point to others, forgetting that 4 nasty fingers are pointing back to your sorry self right? You blame JUbril Aminu for the educational rot? so Jubril Aminu brought done University of Laogs to its present state right? How? There has been tons of Education Ministers from the south, what have the done? The last one Fabian Osuji was involved in bribing the Senate to pass bills, speaks more of Jubril Aminu's making right! You say most Northerners here qare from the elite, you are wrong. My father is not an elite and i know of tons of others whose parents are not. We don't come here to sit our ass back. whats the point when you have a home devoid of racism and all malaise associated with the west. You try to justify 419 saying only the greedy fall for it. I wonder where conning for Tsunami funds or helping improvised children in africa will stand. To even justify it based on greed speaks more of your character: So long Mr Lewa, hope you hide your filty face covered with hate in shame. You are apparently one of those slimy bastards here with nothing much going on other than point fingers. Stupid!
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lewa (m)
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Cretin you are some fool!So it's a mistake to indulge in genocide in the name of religion?It has been the habit of your uncouth brethren to kill and maim for decades and it seems the legion of demons revelling in pure murder would just cease one day?Well you agree there that you have some barbaric antecedents! ;)Point made. Congratulations Dr!How many people did you go to school with that could not put shit on paper?I happen to have met northern students those days in federal govern ment colleges that could not spell their asinine names. At least those you met were in Uni.Also monkey the issue of fake admissions is a national one, all colleges have them.By the way , what of schools that don.t use Jamb to admit northern students but utilise the fact that they are northerners!ABU grad, how many of your classmates were southerners?How many of your professors were northerners?Idiot, i'm sure that the guy with the highest JAMB score was from ypour village abi?Address the question i posed!You guys are no match at all! Seems as if you like embellishments!Well ass, your so called "exposure you are quite pathetic. What is practised in the US and SA as you posted is not the promotion of mediocrity over merit.The blacks that have benefited through affirmative action and other acts merited theirposts!There werent just taken off the streets and put in Ivy league schools or had certain bids in contracts given them. What was done simply was to increase slots available to minorities. Thank God for information!Your argument again nomad refuses to wash! Please tell me spinmeister when did Umaru DIkko and Mantu go to jail?Your mental faculties must be appalling!
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lewa (m)
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Buhari jailed mostly southern politicians!That is why he's villified in the south and that he's also a tribalist!Tunde Idiagbon is not a northern name. How many tundes come from Kafancha, gusau, Bernin kebbi?The man was from Kwara state and yes you might add it's a northern state but only a few people in Ilorin are of northern descent! Corruption has no father and i never have absolved the present government of the day as perfect!At least EFCCis helping clean the augean stables-they persecute not only "perceived enemies" but also notorious kingpins, fraudsters and corrupt bureaucrats! That would be the day when your brothers in the north" catch up". Some delusions of grandeur Dr!How? When? You guys don't need western education, never needed it koranic education is the other and the subjugation of women  .C'mon you know this is not possible!Where and when do you want to start? We have almost 150 years ahead of you-some notable patriachs that passed the baton early 19th century-Dr Sapara first nigerian doctor in 1890,Henry Carr-Chief engineer of Lagos1875 amongst countless others. We generations later are not in the fields tending cattle or maimimg people for some bogus religious belief.Well i'm waiting at least maybe those almajiris street urchins would finally have a chance :PFat chance that would happen
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lewa (m)
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OK! stupid, iguess you are because your sense of history is at best elementary.Northerners have always claimed the presidency to be their birthright. We all know that. That is why you guys want it bavk at all costs! :PYou are virtually absent in all facets of life but power is a drug for your elite. Common sense dictates that other regions sholud be allowed access to power but your dad and uncles lost in some hopeless deluded euphoria of dynastic nomadic grandiosity would not allow that. They wanit back by foce now.That puts to rest that argument and concretizes the avaricious and ethnoocentric attitude of the northern elite. Yea you agree that IBB and Abacha ruled violently!Really!And also they were not elected, WOW.But they promoted and encouraged northern interests!They strongly bonded with the north and made sure the northern elite was catered for. Shehu Malami, Wada Nas, Ismail Gwarzo and so on flourished under these regimes and made inflammatory tribalistic statements concerning the purity of their breed over others!Most political appointess were from the same region and mind you the coups that brought them to poer ere led by peope as Domkat Bali,Salihu Ibrahim,Dongoyaro,Bamali and others. These guys featured prominently between 1985-1998!Are they southern names?AFRC,PPRC were dominated by your kind!They only had side acts as Aikhomu, Aighbe, Diya who were atbest powerless!Ebitu Ukiwe who they noticed had an independent streak got booted out
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lewa (m)
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Idiot!Not surprised though  So history now says Abiola was helped mainly by northerners?Lame, pathognomic of inept, uninformed and at best stupid people. Dont let people hear that. So he was helped mainly by northerners? Interesting!So they help deliver the south for him?Well the same "friends" sent him to his eldorado!I guess the southern votes did not matter since all the cattle and goats were enough to dwarf his opponent down south!Idiot it was the freest and most fair election and was "cancelled" because of the rabid paranoia of you guys. Yea  . You lack insight once again Dr!Your mental state examination beggars belief!Obj was rejected by his ethnic group because he was seen as an agent provacateur of the north.He was brought out by the north as some sort of regent and when he did not play ball as he did between 1976-1979, they cried foul!It was no longer business as usual brecause he denied them unfettered acess to the cookie jar stupid! Alaafin, Adedibu, Arisekola have never told their subjects to go kill in name of religion!They have never promoted bigotry and have never come to challenge their muslim brethren at all. They are staunch friends of the northern elite
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Danmasani (m)
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Lewa. im just confirmed that you are indeed a stark fool. Go and check where kwara state is on the map. check what zone it is and come back and argue with me because it looks like i am engaging an imbecille here. Olusola Saraki is a yoruba name. so is Bukola. check what region they come from! Fool!
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davidylan (m)
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At all the bastards here trying to rubbish Northern Nigeria, i'll confront you head on. The problem with Nigeria is that we have to much numbskulls, nut heads thinking their fathers are clean and haven't soiled their linen with dirt. Times without number in the forum have i argued with stark tribalistic Nigerians who see absolutelty nothing coming from the North. You degrade us as if we were second class citizens. We are not. You stay in your cocoons, naive and completely unaware of what a northerner is and throw out the fastest rubbish you can churn out.
1. Please note where and when the insults started just in case this thread degenerates into a free-for-all fight (God forbid though!). 2. Of course you are NOT second class citizens, the igbos whom you "conquered" in 1966 and whom you continue to murder at the slightest opportunity any time a Danish cartoonist decides to pick up his pencil have been bearing that appelation ever since. Those from the Niger-Delta may as well be "third class" citizens for all you care. See who's complaining of being refered to as second class citizens? After how many years of the south being the carriers of water and the hewers of wood for the indolent north? Imagine nonsense from Davidylan saying no northerner has contributed to the Nigerian project. David, i'm dissapointed that your hatred has blinded you not to see good in anything Northerner Nigeria. Aliko Dangote,Nuhu Ribadu, Nasir El Rufai, Celestine Babayaro among many others to numerous to mention. You say we do not join forums like this. Yes, true. Few northerners join forums like this and most are turned off by the incessant rants we see from people thinking they are better than us. The North did not mess up Nigeria. Everyone did. You say we are at the corriddors of power, last time i checked, Olusegun Obasanjo has spent almost 10 years being president and he has nothing to show for it( Just like Abacha and Babangida). Tafa Balogun stole billions of naira and they north caused it.
1. I'm ashamed that you could only muster 4 names to your defence. I can mention more than 10 southerners in the United states alone, do i need to mention Phillip Emeagwali or Wole Soyinka? I wont shame you further. Back to those you mention: Aliko Dangote - Where and when did he make "his money"? Was this not the man who under the kleptocratic intellectually diminutive Sheu Shagari plundered Nigeria's foreign reserve, plunged us into our present external debt crisis and ruined our budding rice industry with cheap imports? Nasir El-Rufai - Please could you educate me on what Nuhu has done beyond being Baba's tool to intimidate his enemies? Was this not the same man who saw nothing wrong in paying a youth corper N2m monthly salary in a nation where 70% of the population lives on less than $1 a day? Nuhu Ribadu - Who are these men? What are there antecedents? Where did they come from? Did you really pick ribadu as an example of a "progressive" northerner? This must show the paucity iintelligent northerners. Celestine Babayaro - Where you so desperate to find just anyone that you would pick an igbo man as a northerner? Have you neve seen Celestine's interview on how he got the name Babayaro? I'm ashamed. The north did not mess up Nigeria, everyone did!  Now that is as stupid as you can get. Who are the everyone? Where did the yoruba or igbo get the chance to mess up Nigeria? Yakubu Gowon, Sheu Shagari, Babangida, Abacha? Are these men perchance southerners? If Obasanjo is president, it is thanks to the north that has not stopped reminding us that they put him there. For a man that did not even win his ward elections, it says a lot about the calibre of people the north would rather have in power. We in the south voted for Olu Falae, we do not know anything about the present gorilla in power. Yes Tafa Balogun stole a few billions of naira, but unlike his northern untouchables he is cooling his ass in prison with his billions confiscated. His northern contemporaries in brazen looting of the treasury are busy contesting for office of the presidency!!! Calls us illiterates, imbecilles, cattle rearers and all sorts of names, thats exactly the profile of a tribalistic bigot. Shango says he stayed in the north and brings fallacy to this forum. I urged his dumb ass to go back and understand what Northern Nigeria is about. Kano is very much populated, so is Kaduna and other major parts. Go and check the data for yourself, don't just sit down whereever the mess you are and make conclusions. It's time something is done to this whole agenda of placing blames on other sections of the country. Most 419 crimes and disturbing issues about Nigeria here emanate from people from the south. Yet no one person sees this as a southern problem but as a Nigerian quagmire. True Nigerians must eschew tribalistic bigotry. It is the 21st century for God's sack! 1. That is the problem sir! Which data are you talking about? The fraud that is called the census? Has Nigeria ever had a reliable census data? 2. Most 419 emanate from the south! Is it a coincidence that the rise of 419 started with the destruction of the economy ably marshalled by the leptocrat sheu Shagari? Was there 419 existing in 1960 or 1970? The rapid rise in 419 cases is an indirect indictment of widespread unemployment, poverty, the bastardisation of the exchange rate and the collapse of the Economy. We know that started with Gowon and completed by the likes of Shagari, Babangida and Abacha! 3. True Nigerians stand up for the truth in the 21st century, not hiding behind political correctness!
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lewa (m)
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I wonder how many" tons" the south has contributed as ministers to the education port folio for 46 years now. Another hyperbolic jaundiced statement!Osuji was nailed instantly and deserved what he got! How many ministers were checked in previous regimes? Jubtril Aminu an unabashed tribalist helped facilitate the rot in our educational system!It's common knowledge. Years of maladministration corruption underfunding and the like pushed it to its present state! 419 when it comes to id theft and in cases of fake sites is unpardonable!Also i happen to be gainfully emplyed and i always laugh when i'm told i have nothing going on for myself. That's a fallacy and i beg to differ. Ihave no shame, for what may i ask?I see things in away and you night differ. However your posts show a certain level as you say in paediatrics of delayed developmental milestones.Grossly inaccurate,fleeting,misleading,shallow and typical. PS Diya was cursed by his people for being a sell out!It was OBJ that said MKO wasnt the messiah and he got a taste of his own pudding-that was why he was also not liked.Attending how have your calls been? ;DAre you in the IM programme upstate?
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lewa (m)
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Is Olusola or Bukola northern in origin!Are they hausa/nupe/fulani names?I need some help here? Kwara has the descendants of House of Dan Fodio ruling as a small minority in an otherwise preominantly yoruba state. Those of southern origin have been clamouring for them to join the south, but alas the stronghold of the hausa/fulani hegemony would not allow.By the way Saraki isn;t from kwara state!He's some settled jobber who claims northern descent to line his pockets!All his kids are married to southerners.
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davidylan (m)
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Lewa, your post simply attest more to a bigot. Are we educationally disadvantage? Yes. Have we got northern zealots in our midst? Yes. Do we have religious riots? No doubt. But that does not in any way make us lesser people. People fall, make mistakes and rise again. And the north will rise! The north will rise again? On the backs of the south and at the expense of our collective destiny? You speak of admissions in Universities, the highest rates of malpractice is both WAEC and Jamb is experienced in the south. My first year in MBBS at ABU Zaria revealed alot to me. I saw people with scores as high as 290 in Jamb from the south but couldnt put shit on paper. That attest more to your edcuational prowess over us abi.
1. Sir, every form of crime is most times a survival instinct in desperate situations. The highest rate of malpractice in WAEC and JAMB occurs in the south, true for the following reasons: - Most of the candidates for WAEC and JAMB (more than 95%) are southerners! It makes sense that the highest rate of malpractice comes from the south. - Since admissions into universities has been deliberately skewed to favour the few northerners, it is a mere survival instinct for those from the south who have much higher cut off points for admission than their unintelligent northern colleagues. A situation where a southerner must meet a cut off point of 275 for medicine while a northerner with a score of 180 gets the same place is a factor for crime! Need i remind you that as at 2005 working as a graduate assistant at the Federal University of Technology, Yola, i had the unenviable task of admitting students with 105 points in JAMB into our degree programme while a student from Akwa Ibom with 220 and all credits at one sitting in WAEC was denied admission! That is not forgetting those who did not take JAMB but came with IJMB, NABTEB, London and Guilds technical exams and all other unknown "qualifications" that we had to admit based NOT on merit but on state of origin. A fellow corper friend had to cover Engineering Mathematics classes for a masters degree holding lecturer who had no idea what he was supposed to teach - He was a northerner! Any surprise? To say that we are all dumb is simply words of an idiot. What you say Jubril Aminu did is practised all over the world. It has various names: Educational Oppurtunity Program (USA),black educational empowerement(SouthAfrica) among others. I see nothing wrong with a Northern University admitting MOSTLY Northerners in her school. Even NewYork State does it! So also does UI,UNIBEN and every other institution. Southerners are even given spots in Northern Universities but not the other way rounbd and no one has raised an eyebrow! You say most fields are pioneered by southerners, true, but how many years of educational advantage over us have you guys had, we'll will catch up. That for sure is certain. 1. Sorry, Affirmative action is very different from our present quota system. First affirmative action was instituted to address the white inflicted injustice on black folks. The quota system was instituted by those who REFUSED to educate their own children when the south was doing so, prefering to send their sons to the cattle fields and their 6 yr old daughters to 90 yr old men as wives! Affirmative action does not favor a poor student over a better one, it only creates more opportunities for minorities, in Nigeria (er Jubril Aminu's) quota system, opportunities are given to promote mediocrity! Northern universities admit MOSTLY northerners, unfortunately southern schools firmly under the thumbs of northern generals are unable to do the same having theif places filled with students from Educationally Less Advantaged States! 2. When you ask how many years of educational advantage we have had over you one is forced to wonder if it was the south that prevented the north from recogising the power in an educated populace! which advantage? Was it the fault of the south that the north is ruled by myopic, 12th century leaders? Are we the ones who sent your sons to rearing cattle when our leaders had the foresight to insitute free education at all levels? Which educational advantage? Where were you when southern funds where being used to send our brightest students to schools abroad as far back as the 1920's? 3. Yes you will catch up, when the world has ended!
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davidylan (m)
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MKO was helped in his elections by mostly Northern elements: Yaradua, Solomon Lar,Zwingina, Jubril Aminu among others. Even his opponent Bashir Tofa lost his ward for MKO Abiola. Obasanjo himself was voted in 1999 by mostly Northerners and got a substantial part of 2003 from the North too. Same can never be said of the intense tribal politics of the southwest.
Obasanjo was voted in by the "numerically advantaged" fraud called the north not because the north was less tribalistic than the south BUT because he was seen as a vested interest of the north!! This was the same man who handed over power to a northerner after fraudulent elections in 1979, he was merely being used as a tool to continue northern hegemony in the cloak of a southern presidency! The south cannot be accused of tribalism since in 1999, both presidential aspirants were SOUTHERNERS in case you forgot where Olu Falae came from. The south voted NOT for continuity of the military instituted northern hegemony but for a man they knew could lead them out of the economic doldrums, a man who had the intellectual capability! Not just some northern stooge in sheep's (er southern) clothing! MKO was helped MOSTLY by northern elements, unfortunately it was this same northern elements who conspired (using a southern stooge in Arthur Nzeribe) to "cancel" the elections and eventually killed him.
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shango (m)
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apologize on behalf of my bigotted brethren from the South. They don't know what they are saying. There is no bigotry here. Learn to read for heavens sake. My god. Read my post before being such a feeble apologist. You apologise for European colonialism and you apologise for Hausa/Fulani religious killings, hyper tribalism and domination in Nigeria. You are the kind of fellow that probably told the field negroes back in the day that if they just behaved themselves and worked hard in the field they could be just like him in the Masa's house. I call a spade a spade. I am Yoruba and I speak up for the injustices that where laid on the Igbo people and the justices that the North continues to perpetuate. Look at that Duke trying to run for president. I fear for the guy. Those Northerners will never let that happen. Mark my words. You guys just like to bury your heads and sheepishly yell, NIGERIA IS ONE, EVERYTHING IS OK, LETS UNITE. Remember I was born in Kaduna. My dad worked there for years as an Architect. He can attest to the lower cuttoff marks for Hausas and how they created programs in colleges here in the States especially for them so they could come back to Nigeria and say they got degrees after 4 months in some bullshit course because they werent educated enough to get real degrees. The last Southerner that won the presidency legitimately was MKO. OBJ handed power over after a coup. He is a scumbag just like Babangida and the rest. Ofcourse he was "voted" by a majority of the Northerners. You guys need to do some reading. This ignorance and wishfull thinking pisses me the hell off. Danmasani, where are you from. Have you ever lived in the north like I have. I lived on Dan Buran Road in Kaduna for 15 years. WHat I speak aint bigotry its the FUCKING TRUTH.
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davidylan (m)
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and of course Seun the appologist has shunted this topic to the racism thread where he has succeeded in killing an interesting debate. Rather all we see on the home page are appologies for topics.
I really can't be bothered if i am banned again for my frank statements, it's about time i took a walk and left this excuse of a forum.
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DRANOEL (m)
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hausa/fulani are not the largest tribe in nigeria,but there are more northeners than southners, i no this for a fact having spent most of my life around nigeria.
some one said something about hausas not being in the private sector and so, you forget you also said they are not educated! do the math.
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