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windywendy (f)
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the other broker could not get adswitch since monday. maybe i should wait on deap then, i don't want to do CICO again before i get heart attack. i never born o. make family no come share my long term stock as for will.
i think i have to log off to enable me do NIGHT VIGIL for these my 2 broker.
Adswitch no dey available na. Abi you sef no dey look daily price list  . Abeg no blame the broker jare, na you dey order scarce stocks. If the stock no dey, the broker no fit thief am na. Look for stocks that are available
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ACL (f)
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windy
what do u suggest i buy??? i know its OYO for me: caveat emptor abi wetin u people they call am.
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blueband (m)
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I no read the thread .Chei them don list am.Good.I no too lose na 8.70k I buy am.Make profit takers finish make I see where e go rest.Thanks wendy.I get work tomorrow.My oga boyfriend break him heart ,so the guy dey displace am to me.Yes MY OGA BOYFRIEND! Na so we see am for obodo oyibo so make me sef log out go prepare for work tomorrow.To dey go work now sef dey fear me,I dey fear get belle! 
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windywendy (f)
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I no read the thread .Chei them don list am.Good.I no too lose na 8.70k I buy am.Make profit takers finish make I see where e go rest.Thanks wendy.I get work tomorrow.My oga boyfriend break him heart ,so the guy dey displace am to me.Yes MY OGA BOYFRIEND! Na so we see am for obodo oyibo so make me sef log out go prepare for work tomorrow.To dey go work now sef dey fear me,I dey fear get belle!  chei, your oga be "batty man"  Oya quick, quick, make you log off go sleep. Me sef go soon waka commot.
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dollyp1cute (f)
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My broker was just telling me that there were unfilled bids of over 16m units of ABC at the close of trading today. I guess the stock still has some place to go. @Dollyp1cute, na to siddon relax be that o -- you're the only other person I know that has it.
Meanwhile a broking house came and sold some large chunks of Livestock feeds today. Despite that, the price didn't take a lot of dipping. Looks like peeps are mopping this one up o. I sold today anyway.
No be relax alone, I Just dey wake small sef to read your post because when I shine candle and moving average on the stock come join am with sentiments I have picked on this thread my mind coolest so tay I carry valium join milk drink. So your brokers information just add Air Conditon to the equation.
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pumping777 (m)
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pumping make i sell my fidelity , na loss be that o. wetin i go come buy?    That is what I will do. I don't see this stock going anywhere soon. Remember that there are still shares to be listed from the PO. Imagine what will happen at that stage. It's hard to take a loss when trading stocks but sometimes it saves you money at the end of the day. Look at it for another one or two weeks and see what you can make of the price trend. It's hard to pick a stock these days. People are shying away from safe stocks like Fidelity and chasing the money doublers  . Most "good" stocks on the NSE will not give short term fantastic returns. For the ones that will, no one knows when the bulls will decide to rest and drink some water. Who knows, they could be very thirsty and drink for a long time. 
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beginner
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Pumping777
Please reply o. I am really interested in these insurance stocks. Please disclose some info now even if it is only a little. Ta
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samstone4 (m)
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@ Crazy T I see you have read some of my postings? You forgot the one where I asked you to reduce your holding in Fidelity from 40% of your portfolio. High volume, high potential gain but also high potential loss. Still think 40% of your portfolio in one stock is too aggressive. Even for young Turks like us - as we used to say on the streets of Paris 1968. @ Pumping Think it was Otedola that bought AP not Dangote. Understand that Dangote is buying Chevron or vying for it. @Wanajo Re: UAC Properties How can debt be cheaper than raising equity in today's Nigeria? As far as I know interest is usually about 20%. Surely not cheaper than rights issue even if less expensive than POs. Samstone4 
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pumping777 (m)
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@ Crazy T @ Pumping Think it was Otedola that bought AP not Dangote. Understand that Dangote is buying Chevron or vying for it. Samstone4  Thanks. My mistake.
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l.o.m.a.h (m)
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@pumping, Heavy man! please is it still fine to enter agleventis, scoa, and dunlop at today's price?? and whats your take on skye. doesnt seem bad to me though, even though AM NOT A GURU like you.  i see you online, so hopefully i will get a snap response from you. thanx. am still reeling, from Dangote flour. i had about 80% of my money returned to me, plus a paltry 2% interest after holding up my money hostage for all of 7months. yeye people. well, i hav vowed never to go within 100 mile radius of PO/IPOs  . its all one big SCAMmy SHAM!
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pumping777 (m)
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Heaviest man  Na guguru me sabi chop o. Scoa remains a good choice at today's price. The same with Skye. I will consider AG Leventis if you can lock it tomorrow. BTW, this notion about being online can be very misleading. Often I am not here and just forget to log out. My fault though. I'll try to do that. PO or what did you say? What is that? 
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samstone4 (m)
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@ Windy Thank you for backing my campaign. We will win at the Court of Appeal and even at the supreme court as well. Samstone4 for chairman of Transcorp and now of UAC too! What about Dangote Group? Maybe I'll leave this one. Knew him when he was starting out in Surulere in the ole days. When we were still ultra focused on acada. The rights issue will not dilute UAC holding only if they take up all their rights. The interest of the company may justify their reducing their percentage of the company allowing other investors to raise their shares. About 2 - 3 years ago there was talk of a hybrid offer but before you could say "dictatorship" it disappeared from the horizon like an armed robber fleeing the scene of a crime - like we used to say when fighting fire for fire in MOPOL. Samstone4 
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gonyix
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@risky Please how do I sign up with r brokers mbc? I am looking for a reliable broker as the one I m using now na real abokee.
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gonyix
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@loma great job on that pictorial
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bibiking1 (m)
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Is this what you working class guys always have to go through??? i have had to leave home 6 every morning, now i have quite a load of pages to read though over the weekend??? Please you guys should pity me now?? i am actually preparing to go to work again! men! this is not easy o! the life of the working  Guys, i have been pondering the effect of these large foreign investors who go to Japan and get money at 0.5% interest rate, then come to pump it all in here at our "booming" stock exchange, then when they make 60% they simply just pull it all out and return to their countries. Wont this result in the crash of that market faster??? i actually asked one of the facilitators at my training school, but she just mumbled some incoherent stuff. I really am scared of the effect of this kind of stuff sha
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EMMAACHILE (m)
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@risky Do you have online mandate?
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ty_ademolu (m)
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@ Windywendy, pumping.
Do you think Vitafoam at the current price would be a good buy, I noticed that I made most of my money last year from long term stocks so I believe that is what works best for me.
I am thinking of cutting short my loses with UAC-Prop (down 10% already) and getting into Ikeja hotels and Vitafoam. abeg wetin be your take?
Abi u fit recommend any other year long stocks wey I fit hold?
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ty_ademolu (m)
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ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION
Would it be better to buy Japaul now at its current price or wait it out until PO buyers recieve their certificates and sell off?
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wanaj0
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@wanaj0,
Thanks for the info. I did not give them any instruction to sell my FCMB shares O.I have not received any contract note for the execution of the orders from Afrinvest.I don't know how many Dunlop shares they bought, how much they bought it for or when they bought it and they couldnt even bother informing me about it. I will be migrating to Fidelity Union/ Citi Invest Cap soon, not used to being treated like that. Mike Murdock did say that its better to "go to where you are celebrated instead of being tolerated", and I was even thinking of sending that Susan a designer perfume from Harrods
London cool, my mistake. They actually bought FCMB for you. Believe me, I saw the mails that Susan sent to you!!!!! Some dated as far back as 5th of February. Saw one for the 18th of February as per your CSCS Subscription/registration. Saw that the e-mail address used is different from the one you have on Naira land but it is still a yahoo account. My thought would be that the mails went to your Junk/Bulk mail or something must be 'stealing' your mails. I do get a trade alert from Afrinvest once my orders are executed. This apply for both my personal and corporate account. Abeg, send the designer perfume to her!!! She will surely appreciate it.
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ty_ademolu (m)
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Oga Wanaj0, I know say you go dey busy this morning but I jus wan ask you quick question.
Caveat emptor observed.Do you think Vitafoam at the current price would be a good buy, I noticed that I made most of my money last year from long term stocks so I believe that is what works best for me.
I am thinking of cutting short my loses with UAC-Prop (down 10% already) and getting into Ikeja hotels and Vitafoam. abeg wetin be your take?
Would it be better to buy Japaul now at its current price or wait it out until PO buyers recieve their certificates and sell off?
I'm thinkin of selling my UACP, and Firstbank (PO) today in order to get in on the train of the following.
ikejahotel linkassure japaul lasaco
Abeg you get any objections? I would appreciate your reply
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RoughCut (m)
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@Roughcut on FCMB
Their prospectus said part of the money raised would be used to acquire csl stockbrockers which will deliver 1.5b FYE. There was another 1.5b from another source which I can't remember now. If you add this 3b to the expected 12b from the banks PAT, they appear on course to meet the projection.
I also heard from the grapevine that they used/are using their GDR money on some juicy turnaround deals that will even add to the bottomline.
We shall see at FYE.
Looks like you have only some of the facts and not the complete picture! I would refer you to the post by me sometime last year i had a very long discussion about this with wanaj0 and you can read it here http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=31554.msg1661253#msg1661253The facts from that post are that FCMB will be spending N12.5B to acquire CSL that represents about 17% of the proceeds from the PO. The fact again is CSL is expected to generate N1.5B by 2010 which i think is what you made reference to and that represents about 5% of the attributable income to FCMB. The issue i had with the transaction was that FCMB did not need to spend N12.5B on CSL they only need to capitalize it to the tune of N1B to satisfy regulatory requirements CSL on its own i estimated the netweorth of at around N275M and annualized PAT at around N925M. By the way this was from a report compiled by another fund manager based in UK. So as far as i'm concerned that deal does not make sense financially so that's what put me off that stock and that is not saying FCMB is not a good company to invest in. Sometimes you need to look under the bonnet so you have all the facts at hands before making your investment decision. I can tell you now you are not going to see anything spectacular FYE! Although i know that Otunba Subomi owns CSL and is the founder of FCMB and Ladi is his son and the MD/CEO of FCMB but you need to separate sentiments from hard-nosed business decisions sometimes!
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wanaj0
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Oga Wanaj0, I know say you go dey busy this morning but I jus wan ask you quick question.
Caveat emptor observed.Do you think Vitafoam at the current price would be a good buy, I noticed that I made most of my money last year from long term stocks so I believe that is what works best for me.
I am thinking of cutting short my loses with UAC-Prop (down 10% already) and getting into Ikeja hotels and Vitafoam. abeg wetin be your take?
Would it be better to buy Japaul now at its current price or wait it out until PO buyers recieve their certificates and sell off?
I'm thinkin of selling my UACP, and Firstbank (PO) today in order to get in on the train of the following.
ikejahotel linkassure japaul lasaco
Abeg you get any objections? I would appreciate your reply
My brother, not sure I can help here. Most of those stocks are not on my radar and I am not heavy on any of them. Use to be a fan of Vitafoam but competition is stiff and their performance (not share price) is not fantastic. I am scared of all insurance companies now due to half info being circulated around. Figures of Ikeja Hotels look good but never saw that sector as a high margin one. Also not sure the relationship between Ikeja Hotels and Tourist Company of Nigeria PLC. For Ja Paul, had BIG reservations about them as per their strategic plan.
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ty_ademolu (m)
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My brother, not sure I can help here. Most of those stocks are not on my radar and I am not heavy on any of them.
Use to be a fan of Vitafoam but competition is stiff and their performance (not share price) is not fantastic.
I am scared of all insurance companies now due to half info being circulated around.
Figures of Ikeja Hotels look good but never saw that sector as a high margin one. Also not sure the relationship between Ikeja Hotels and Tourist Company of Nigeria PLC.
For Ja Paul, had BIG reservations about them as per their strategic plan.
Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it. Do you think there is any upside for UACP? I'm thinkin of selling today at a loss. to get into ikeja hotels.
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wanaj0
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Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it.
Do you think there is any upside for UACP? I'm thinkin of selling today at a loss. to get into ikeja hotels.
There is an upside depending on how LONG you are willing to wait. Ikeja Hotels seems to be more 'volatile' so you can benefit from the swings.
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debenzd (f)
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@Nairalanders, for those who have issues with CICO, try to read Fatherof2's past threads.
He has a lot of info there.
He never buys when the stocks are expensive, he always circles out to cheaper stocks or waits till the price has dropped to levels lower than what he originally bought, when he positions for 9mths, he stays there till the end of year is over. There is no sentiment about any stock.In between he takes out only the profit to invest in other stocks. The reason being that there may still be profit to be made from such stocks.
In addition, the time frame is usually 0-3mths and anything in between. He is always willing to wait it out till he has reached his target. Oga Wanajo has mentioned this in one or two posts.
Maybe we are not doing it right or we need to learn some more. I have used some of his methods on some stocks and it has paid off. WindyWendy is also right when she talks about picking the right stocks. I also use Aktopgun's TA and reading up more articles. I am not one to discount any method as long as in d end the dosh enters my pocket.
Ultimately though you need a superman broker who can get in and out for you when u so desire.
Each on to his own though. Different strokes for different folks.
Happy investing
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wanaj0
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This short timing sef! Or maybe its still too early to complain but I started the year by fixing a particular list of stocks as a long term portfolio to review it by end of Dec 2008.
Then I made another list of the same stocks and started practicing all types of CICO, RORO, SIRO etc and has been making fantastic returns, sometimes 30% on some stocks, excellent fast moves as I thought.
Today something told me to review my activities so far and compare the value of my two portfolios. Lo and behold, my long term no trading side has done 42% this two months, while my fast CICO portfolio is trailing and is only 18% up, haba I dey go up or am I going down? Is commisions for frequent trades to blame? Is it too early to complain? My broker is an angel in all these, selling and buying like he is Musa Al farki!
What has I done wrong or do I change tacticts this early in the year? Bought Leventis and UTC around 3.85 each and jumped out around 6, now see all the money I left on the table.
All the CICO experts , you better talk nowoo or don't you guys compare two portfolios to know which system works and which don't?
One thing we all need to come to terms with is the fact that one cannot TIME the market. So when you do CICO, you are not able to 'maximize' profit. The shorter you stay, the higher your margin of error. Studies have showed that those who stay LONG in the market actually make more profit than those that CICO. Additionally, in the US it was discovered that very few 'traders' actually out perform the market. That said, there are certain people that are best suited for CICO. There are those who derive great pleasure in the volatility of the market. You also have people who collect short term loan and need to liquidate their position quite often. For me, just use a strategy that is best suited for your personality. People follow strategies without considering their personality. If you are the type that will be disturbed with a 105 drop in your NAV don't go for CICO. If you are the type that cannot do without checking prices every day then don't go for LONG TERM. You cannot survive watching your stocks remain dormant (no movement) for like a month!!!
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afamako
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@Blueband My day today
Went to work by bus today.On my way back this night bus was filled with Nigerians and you culd hear them(sorry,us) shouting "sho" ,"I bow for you o", then one shouts IGZAKTLI, (actually she meant to say "exactly"), it just reminded me of Lagos.That is Thamesmead for you.Welcome to Nigeria. I understand IGZAKTLI what you are saying. Used to live there about 4 years back and I witnessed part of the transformation before moving outwards to Kent. It's nice to know someone on this thread lives not too far away. drop me a mail at rotunda77 at gmail dot com if you like.
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oore (m)
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@ all, I salute the Gurus, gugurus and the non title holders! Please where is Jehosaphat? The egg, chicken and the two both of them. We need some info (even if unconfirmed) about Bagco IPO. Anybody with something?
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LondonCool (m)
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@Blueband I understand IGZAKTLI what you are saying. Used to live there about 4 years back and I witnessed part of the transformation before moving outwards to Kent. It's nice to know someone on this thread lives not too far away. drop me a mail at rotunda77 at gmail dot com if you like.
Thamesmead ? Kent ? I beg any Peckham Boys in the House ? The 2nd Nigerian Carnival in UK will be taking place soon at Burgess Park along Old Kent Road. Last year was fun. Aktopgun, guru's and guguru's you can bring your Candlesticks along.
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barge (m)
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To all my Ogas, guggurus and Gurus,
Wanaj0, WW,ak47 et all.
I salute , i am almost through with my punishment for being away fro the thread for such a long time.God bless you all ,keep it coming. This FCMB results looks dissapointing unless they intend to pull a rabbit out of their hats.
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barge (m)
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@londoncool ,
when is the carnival, i get enough candlesticks for night vigil.
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