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easimoni (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23776 on: April 22, 2008, 03:57 PM »

Quote from: jazmil on April 22, 2008, 11:53 AM
Stock prices don't go up and down by chance so I don't see how you can equate it to gambling.

Actually, over a 2-month period (as stated by the guy with the N5M), prices do go up and down by chance. Stock markets are for long-term investments. Short-term gains are not repeatable or guaranteed.
bioye (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23777 on: April 22, 2008, 04:05 PM »

Can I learn a thing from you?  Arent you saying then that technical analysis is of zero importance and that only the fundamentals matter?  Is that an opinion of yours or a fact?  Because I used to believe some investment gurus rely on the technicals for their investment decisions whether it's in a matter of days or years.
Iwerebor (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23778 on: April 22, 2008, 04:28 PM »

Those who say it cannot be done are usually interrupted by those who are doing it.
As volatile as the markets appear they obey the law of demand and supply very strictly.
The fundamentalist worries about whether it's cheap by always scutinizing PEs and other variables.
The Technicalist focuses on PRICE which is a product of BOTH PE and EPS but he is more concerned with the demand and supply curve.
The fundamentalist is very intellectual but the Technicalist is practical. 
I don't see any place for chance in this market. Some things are actually very predictable.
Every man his own.
Bioye, I think you should be talking to FO2.
FatherOF2
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23779 on: April 22, 2008, 04:33 PM »

Quote from: Iwerebor on April 22, 2008, 04:28 PM
Those who say it cannot be done are usually interrupted by those who are doing it.
As volatile as the markets appear they obey the law of demand and supply very strictly.
The fundamentalist worries about whether it's cheap by always scutinizing PEs and other variables.
The Technicalist focuses on PRICE which is a product of BOTH PE and EPS but he is more concerned with the demand and supply curve.
The fundamentalist is very intellectual but the Technicalist is practical.
I don't see any place for chance in this market. Some things are actually very predictable.
Every man his own.

Good one there.
texas543 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23780 on: April 22, 2008, 04:45 PM »

Quote from: Iwerebor on April 22, 2008, 04:28 PM
Those who say it cannot be done are usually interrupted by those who are doing it.
As volatile as the markets appear they obey the law of demand and supply very strictly.
The fundamentalist worries about whether it's cheap by always scutinizing PEs and other variables.
The Technicalist focuses on PRICE which is a product of BOTH PE and EPS but he is more concerned with the demand and supply curve.
The fundamentalist is very intellectual but the Technicalist is practical.
I don't see any place for chance in this market. Some things are actually very predictable.
Every man his own.
Bioye, I think you should be talking to FO2.

We dont need to flog the issue of fundametalist or technicalist over and over again. Like you rightly said, every man his own. YOU NEED TO KNOW YOUR RISK APPETITE. In as much as there are some preditability to TA, you still have to take some issues beyond your control into consideration. For instance your broker, how fast can he execute your order at your entry and exit price?
Iwerebor (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23781 on: April 22, 2008, 04:47 PM »

Kevin Mitnik was a celebrated computer hacker. He was something of a marvel. He realized something:He didn't bother beating the machine. He exploited the weak link in the chain, man.

The market has got psychology that needs to be understood.

Fo2 once said that the market is riddled with codes. Absolutely true.
Each days pricelist speaks volumes.
Two things happen basically when shares are exchanged:
buying and selling.
Each action is a force that causes price MOVEMENT.

Remember Newton's law of motion? Objects will remain at rest or continue to move except a force is applied to interrupt them.
Results, rumors, news, profit taking, government policy etcr will only CAUSE either of this: BUYING or SELLING. These two actions are the true market forces.

Don't trade if your knowledge of economics excludes the law of demand and supply.
FatherOF2
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23782 on: April 22, 2008, 04:51 PM »

Quote from: Iwerebor on April 22, 2008, 04:47 PM
Kevin Mitnik was a celebrated computer hacker. He was something of a marvel. He realized something:He didn't bother beating the machine. He exploited the weak link in the chain, man.

The market has got psychology that needs to be understood.

Fo2 once said that the market is riddled with codes. Absolutely true.
Each days pricelist speaks volumes.
Two things happen basically when shares are exchanged:
buying and selling.
Each action is a force that causes price MOVEMENT.

Remember Newton's law of motion? Objects will remain at rest or continue to move except a force is applied to interrupt them.
Results, rumors, news, profit taking, government policy etcr will only CAUSE either of this: BUYING or SELLING. These two actions are the true market forces.

Don't trade if your knowledge of economics excludes the law of demand and supply.

 That's called INERTIA. Another nice one.
Huckabee
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23783 on: April 22, 2008, 05:18 PM »

While not dancing to any particular tune here, where are the folks who CICOed 1-3 months ago, without understanding that things can also go down?

Lets be careful when advising newbies, unless you are going to get them a broker to tell them what to buy, when to buy and when to sell, and finally get them your broker to execute for them!
beginner
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23784 on: April 22, 2008, 05:46 PM »

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bioye (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23785 on: April 22, 2008, 06:35 PM »

FatherOF2, will you be so kind as to offer some assistance?  I have become a true believer.  How can I get across to you?
easimoni (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23786 on: April 22, 2008, 07:07 PM »

Quote from: Iwerebor on April 22, 2008, 04:47 PM
Kevin Mitnik was a celebrated computer hacker. He was something of a marvel. He realized something:He didn't bother beating the machine. He exploited the weak link in the chain, man.

The market has got psychology that needs to be understood.

Fo2 once said that the market is riddled with codes. Absolutely true.
Each days pricelist speaks volumes.
Two things happen basically when shares are exchanged:
buying and selling.
Each action is a force that causes price MOVEMENT.

Remember Newton's law of motion? Objects will remain at rest or continue to move except a force is applied to interrupt them.
Results, rumors, news, profit taking, government policy etcr will only CAUSE either of this: BUYING or SELLING. These two actions are the true market forces.

Don't trade if your knowledge of economics excludes the law of demand and supply.

If the market is so coded, how come no one was smart enough to predict the current bear run. Look at my post history and you'll see I mentioned it about a month ago but even then it was just a guess. I'd guessed before and was wrong. Lot's of people on this forum and elsewhere have been dead wrong on CICO predictions - how may banking results have failed to move the prices as anticipated? We then adjust our investment horizons so how is that any different from fundamental analysis which preaches long-term investments.

My point is yes forces move the market but none of us can see the forces coming. Did you know FGN was pulling funds from the banks at the same time margin trading was being scrutinized? Do you know exactly when the funds are coming back? No one can predict the exact direction of the market over a one month period. Bioye, go and get a long-term loan. Anyway, na ya money sha!
bioye (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23787 on: April 22, 2008, 07:20 PM »

I aint borrowing money to invest. short term or long term.
ichibanman
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23788 on: April 23, 2008, 08:39 AM »

Quote from: FatherOF2 on April 22, 2008, 02:57 PM
Nice one GTB, trying to get your timing right with minute drops that will make it available. I smell the paper and ink used for printing those results.

FO2, Please expatiate! Huh
Rhemagirl
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23789 on: April 23, 2008, 10:55 AM »

Good day to all the gurus, i just  want to confirm the latest date u can buy Equity Assurance and qualify for the Rights Issue on the Floor cos i can see that they have gone on Technical Suspension.

Please  i will be glad to know as soon as possible
candylips (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23790 on: April 23, 2008, 12:10 PM »

Anyone knows any stockbroker in nigeria that Short sell shares  (that is lend shares for a short position) ?
Iwerebor (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23791 on: April 23, 2008, 01:00 PM »

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pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23792 on: April 23, 2008, 01:02 PM »

Quote from: candylips on April 23, 2008, 12:10 PM
Anyone knows any stockbroker in nigeria that Short sell shares?

Not clear. You mean that "lends" you shares for short trading?
candylips (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23793 on: April 23, 2008, 01:10 PM »

Yes . lets say i think a particular stock is overvalued and i think the value would go down. I will like to short(sell) the stock at the higher price and buy it back at the lower price to take in my profit. But since i dont have the stock i will need to borrow it for sale
rasputinn (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23794 on: April 23, 2008, 01:58 PM »

Quote from: Iwerebor on April 22, 2008, 04:47 PM

Results, rumors, news, profit taking, government policy etcr will only CAUSE either of this: BUYING or SELLING. Don't trade if your knowledge of economics excludes the law of demand and supply.

Nothing dirves prices on the NSE as much as rumors,quite unusually
rasputinn (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23795 on: April 23, 2008, 02:02 PM »

Quote from: candylips on April 23, 2008, 01:10 PM
Yes . lets say i think a particular stock is overvalued and i think the value would go down. I will like to short(sell) the stock at the higher price and buy it back at the lower price to take in my profit. But since i don't have the stock i will need to borrow it for sale

You may need to explain how it's possible for you to sell shares you don't have in the first place.I dont know of any broker that does that in Nigeria
FatherOF2
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23796 on: April 23, 2008, 02:17 PM »

FICKLENESS===Nice word.


Quote from: ichibanman on April 23, 2008, 08:39 AM
FO2, Please expatiate! Huh

  Na wa how you want make i expand again. Ok let me go technical just for this occassion.
This is the way i look at a price behaviour from a technical point of view as it coincides with a TIMELINE
GTB is making minute (very small) changes so it can drop into oversold region.
A price which changes from N33.95 to N33.90 will still have its RSI drop by between 3-4 indexes.But the change was only N0.05,
Also a price that changes from N33.50 to N35.17 will also still have its RSI rise by 4 indexes.And change was N1.67
Now the timeline in this case is the expected release of GTB results. With this minute changes, the price is still able to hover about a support level while still being able to fall into oversold providing enough headroom for reasoneable price appreciation when the time is right.
If it doesn't happen this way and you have the price too high,by the time a good result is released,you will proshare say" Investors were not impressed hence price went down". It is not that investors were not impressed, its just that " there was no headroom for chopping" so leave the stock to fall to provide more headroom later.This is one thing that worried DSR and RT Briscoe despite both bonuses and fair values.One went up, the other went down. Except there is a general paucity of funds,this concept holds true for me always.
Rhemagirl
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23797 on: April 23, 2008, 04:22 PM »

Father of 2, please  help me answer
Quote from: Rhemagirl on April 23, 2008, 10:55 AM
Good day to all the gurus, i just want to confirm the latest date u can buy Equity Assurance and qualify for the Rights Issue on the Floor because i can see that they have gone on Technical Suspension.

Please i will be glad to know as soon as possible
en_y
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23798 on: April 23, 2008, 05:42 PM »

Quote from: Rhemagirl on April 23, 2008, 04:22 PM
Father of 2, please help me answer
Quote from: Rhemagirl on April 23, 2008, 10:55 AM
Good day to all the gurus, i just want to confirm the latest date u can buy Equity Assurance and qualify for the Rights Issue on the Floor because i can see that they have gone on Technical Suspension.

Please i will be glad to know as soon as possible

the date that will be used to qualify for rights is left to the discretion of the company (and probably issuing house). the prospectus is not out and we won't know the date until we see it, except someone has an insider that has seen it,

going by previous public offers, some companies use dates before the stock was placed on TS, some use the date it was placed on TS and some a date while it is on TS, 
easimoni (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23799 on: April 23, 2008, 06:57 PM »

Quote from: candylips on April 23, 2008, 12:10 PM
Anyone knows any stockbroker in nigeria that Short sell shares (that is lend shares for a short position) ?

It's not legal in Nigeria to short a stock. No options, no puts/calls, just straight buy and sell with cash money!
candylips (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23800 on: April 23, 2008, 10:49 PM »

Is there a specific law against this or the market is just not developed enough to handle this kinds of transactions.



seleromo
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23801 on: April 24, 2008, 12:41 AM »

Somebody Please Help Me.  I bought 2 MILLION Naira worth of CAPOIL just before the suspension of the stock.  I have not heard anything about what will happen to investors of this stock.  I dont even see it on the daily listing anymore.  Someone with any update - please help me, 

This is really painful oh!
easimoni (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23802 on: April 24, 2008, 01:22 AM »

Quote from: candylips on April 23, 2008, 10:49 PM
Is there a specific law against this or the market is just not developed enough to handle this kinds of transactions.


BOTH! The NSE/SEC forbid it because we can't yet handle it. There are plans to intoduce options in the "near" future.
rasputinn (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23803 on: April 24, 2008, 08:26 AM »

Quote from: easimoni on April 24, 2008, 01:22 AM
BOTH! The NSE/SEC forbid it because we can't yet handle it. There are plans to intoduce options in the "near" future.

Forget it easi,there's not a chance in hell for shorting of stocks on the NSE,even if SEC approves of it,the brokers may not be favourably disposed to such a "risky" idea.At least not in your "near"future,you should know that when these administrators speak of near future,it more often than not means in thirty years time or more.
Have you ever wondered why most brokers will not give their customers marging facilities,even when the margin being sought represents less than 20% of the customers portfolio with the broker.
So if they wont use your holding with them as collateral to give margin,why do you think they'll be disposed to shorting allowing you sell what you don't have
debenzd (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23804 on: April 24, 2008, 08:31 AM »

Quote from: seleromo on April 24, 2008, 12:41 AM
Somebody Please Help Me.  I bought 2 MILLION Naira worth of CAPOIL just before the suspension of the stock.  I have not heard anything about what will happen to investors of this stock.  I don't even see it on the daily listing anymore.  Someone with any update - please help me, 

This is really painful oh!

I feel your pain. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do for now. CAPOIL is on full suspension so you can't even trade.

Be patient and see what comes out of the investigation.

rasputinn (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23805 on: April 24, 2008, 08:39 AM »

Quote from: debenzd on April 24, 2008, 08:31 AM
I feel your pain. Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do for now. CAPOIL is on full suspension so you can't even trade.

Be patient and see what comes out of the investigation.



Nothing will happen.Capoil will be given a clean bill of health;IN DUE TIME
After the concerned board members of Capoil must have pressed all the real and imaginary buttons
The regulators will just wait till the tension has died down a bit,then do what I think they'll do
Investigations have a way of turning out like that,c'mon this' the NSE and SEC we're talking of here
rasputinn (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23806 on: April 24, 2008, 08:47 AM »

Fof2,easi,pumping

Do you know the payment date for Oando bonus.Why are they keeping the date under wraps?
I'm taking serious aim @ them and UBA,but I need to know the Oando payment date so I can plot my move in
tgirl77 (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #23807 on: April 24, 2008, 08:51 AM »

hello pls i need the list of stokbroking firms in abuja.
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