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rasputinn (m)
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. If you are still holding on to your stocks, you are on your own. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Now you're beginning to sound like a prophet of doom. So what happened to all your earlier pre-price floor postulations that the market should be left alone to slide to an ASI of around 29% that you believed from there it will find a support level and begin a recovery or something like that Why do you want to encourage panic selling?Well I guess you're talking to the short-termers as I still believe that the price capping is temporary (only that I did not benefit from the contraption,unlike Fof2) and as soon as it's removed and economically invigorating govt/regulatory policies are implemented then the market will with time,truly find a support level that'll guaranty steady and sustained recovery.This of course will take some time so I'll wait it out,I only pray the regulators will wake up soon enough
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Krrush (m)
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Bear market rally bounce meets resistance, and is rejected.
Here we go, now the market is starting to fill up with dead weight. More and more sellers but no buyers. Now we get to see this market die a long, slow and PAINFUL death. There will be no relief for a long time, unless the retarded price floor is removed.
I told you people this 1% thing was a very STUPID idea. These regulators are morons. If you are still holding on to your stocks, you are on your own. Don't say I didn't warn you.
You meant to say Bull market rally bounce . . . didn't you?
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Ije ngala
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Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians « #24494 on: August 28, 2008, 06:04 PM » ________________________________________ The bulls are running riot, the sun is shining brightly, the grass is suddenly green. All this because govt has opened the doors to the bull-pen. Now all of us (star-gazers, chart readers, palm readers, bulshitters, etc) can come out of our hide-outs and flaunt our false braggado, CICO, GIGO,FIFO, yak yak yak
My one advice? Enter softly o. It is only a stupid man that trips over thesame stone twice.
Remember that i warned u all not to be carried away by the 'bounce'!!!
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FatherOF2
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Kai i remember now we should have listened to YOU.
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rasputinn (m)
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Kai i remember now we should have listened to YOU.
 Abi ooo,all of a sudden everybody don turn capital market guru,abi na market guguru be these ones sef I warn you I warn you,who una warn???As if most peeps no know say the bullish run na artificial and temporary Abeg iiiiiiiiii
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JeopardE (m)
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You meant to say Bull market rally bounce . . . didn't you? No, I meant what I wrote. This type of bounce is very common in bear markets. Some people call it a "suckers' rally". For a short time prices start to rise and everyone starts to think that the trouble is all over, but the real big money never commits and volume starts to decrease as price increases, causing a wedge formation. At some point the resistance point is met and when the test of resistance fails, the market drops like a rock and seeks out a new low. Sometimes a secondary rally even forms after the first drop but it is followed by an even steeper drop. The same thing happened in the US between April and May. When June arrived and people finally caught up with the reality that the financial crisis wasn't anywhere close to being resolved, that's when the bloodletting really started. Now our problem is that the drop is starting to happen, except that now thanks to our genius regulators we have a situation where a fake rally was created on stocks that were already overbought to begin with, and now what you have is a bunch of even more dead weight that nobody wants to pay for but we have to wait for weeks, months, who knows how long while the thing slowly deflates. Woohoo for 1% price floors. Sorry if I sound like a prophet of doom, not my intention. I can't encourage panic selling -- I'm only one small fish in the ocean, and everyone is free to make their own decisions. I just say what I see. You just can't wake up one day and think because you're the government you can rewrite the basic laws of economics. In the end it is the investors and the people that suffer. I said they should've allowed the market to drop and find its bottom and then recover. There are still underlying fundamentals -- strong GDP growth, outstanding profits and enough cash flow to preserve the long-term uptrend. We just have to face the reality that the season of irrational exuberance is over and things have to come down to earth for now. It's a shame that governments of developing nations have this habit of shooting themselves in the foot whenever they see adversity. The Pakistanis just did a similarly stupid thing (in fact their own retarded solution was to stop price decreases completely -- imagine), and the Indians decided to ban commodity futures trading to try and curb inflation. All these actions are like gouging out your own eye because something entered it. Not the smart thing to do.
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ineedans (m)
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Interested in the ETI Offer? Please call or text 0803 381 2206.
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adewaleafolabi (m)
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Oh it seems the bears are back. Well i just hope it would just come faster 
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maymax
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One favourite quote i will never forget in my life is one from master himself " THE DUMBEST REASON FOR ANYONE TO BUY A STOCK IS BECAUSE IT IS GOING UP" WARREN BUFFET. That's why wise investors smile in bearish periods while ignorant investors run coz definately as the Bible says "weeping may endure for a night but surely joy cometh in the morning." "ABO ORO LA N SO FOMO LUABI TO BA DE NU RE A DI O DN DI" ASA COURTESY OTM CUSTOMER SERVICE HORIZON STOCKBROKERS.
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adewaleafolabi (m)
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Buy when its LOW sell when its high.
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FatherOF2
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Finally now we're getting a clearer picture of behavioural patterns. I'm ready to buy some more Oceanic by this friday at lowest price, sacrifice loosing 1% by monday next week, logic of this is that by Tuesday next week, Oceanic should start reversing. Volumes are thinning out, there may be non available to buy by next monday, best bet will be this friday to get some more.
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eastern (m)
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hey guys what do you think of these returns on the global stocks lists below?:  a stock actually did 64,900% for Just one day, can you immagine that? with an investment of just N20,000 one would have made over 12million gbam!! or what do you think?
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MyPeace (f)
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Finally now we're getting a clearer picture of behavioural patterns. I'm ready to buy some more Oceanic by this friday at lowest price, sacrifice loosing 1% by monday next week, logic of this is that by Tuesday next week, Oceanic should start reversing. Volumes are thinning out, there may be non available to buy by next monday, best bet will be this friday to get some more.
were u able to exit your oceanic you talked about last week? u had wanted to exit by last friday, and since tuesday last week oceanic has been in reds. l cross my fingers on oceanic for now, l pray it goes up as u said.
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husu (m)
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Finally now we're getting a clearer picture of behavioural patterns. I'm ready to buy some more Oceanic by this friday at lowest price, sacrifice loosing 1% by monday next week, logic of this is that by Tuesday next week, Oceanic should start reversing. Volumes are thinning out, there may be non available to buy by next monday, best bet will be this friday to get some more.
@fatherof2, remember 50million units of oceanic on offer, only 4.8million sold so far. that means few buyers.Remember no patterns right now on the NSE.But anything can happen.Any person buying or selling anything now is gambling.Oceanic can be #40.00 or #15 in the next 2months.Lets pray things may normalize soon.
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FatherOF2
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were u able to exit your oceanic you talked about last week? u had wanted to exit by last friday, and since tuesday last week oceanic has been in reds. l cross my fingers on oceanic for now, l pray it goes up as u said.
As you can see i'm planning more. I didn't sell because there was no point in selling then considering the impact of 1% on CICO moves. We saw the impact of the good side (5%), its important to also sit back and understand the statistical impact of the new 1% on price movement, then you can plan.
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FatherOF2
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@fatherof2, remember 50million units of oceanic on offer, only 4.8million sold so far. that means few buyers.Remember no patterns right now on the NSE.But anything can happen.Any person buying or selling anything now is gambling.Oceanic can be #40.00 or #15 in the next 2months.Lets pray things may normalize soon.
Buyers dey look for the right conditions to arise before they reappear. When dem reappear, all those 50million traders wen wan sell garri go start to dey hoard am make price go up.
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Myself2 (m)
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Banks shun CBN’s order on margin accounts Posted Tuesday, September 9, 2008
With the recent Federal Government intervention in the capital market meltdown, depreciation in the prices of stocks in the market may not stop soon as banks have continued to shun the Central Bank of Nigeria’s (CBN’s) advice for a waiver to be extended to expired margin accounts to allow the market recover fully.
Signs from the market indicate that operators’ morale is still very low, despite the intervention of the government about two weeks ago. It was revealed that the banks have continued to defy the CBN’s advice which was agreed at a meeting with chief executive of banks, convened to seek solution to the persistent slide of share capital.
Market sources said the downward trends in the market might still remain because the banks had continued to sell off shares bought through margin facilities, which could not be redeemed by investors who got the loans to mitigate the loss incurred in the long period of the trend in the market.
Specifically, sources said the credit management units of the banks had persistently put pressure on their assets management units to recover loans given through margin accounts, thereby making the market to witness more divestment rather than purchase briefs from investors.
The sources disclosed that while the CBN advised banks to restructure loans from margin accounts to allow customers to continue to service the facilities as fresh loans in the interest of the market, the banks had discountenanced the agreement, forcing investors to forfeit their investments.
Margin facilities entail the bank to provide 70 per cent while the borrower bears 30 per cent of the cost towards facilitating shares purchase by corporate institutions and individuals in the capital market.
In a bid to stem the meltdown (persistent fall in the shares) in the capital market, the Federal Government had intervened through a parley with the management of the Nigerian Stock Exchange (NSE) and other stakeholders at a meeting in Abuja.
At the meeting, all stakeholders had adopted a number of measures aimed at stopping the slide of share prices, which lasted over five months, with a loss of over N3 trillion.
Some of the measures include the power of the office of the Attorney General of the Federation to issue an exemption to the provisions of the relevant sections of CAMA, to permit quoted companies to buy back up to 20 per cent of their shares to curb the spate of bearish trading in the market.
The CBN was also directed to take appropriate measures to ensure adequate liquidity within the system to oil operations in the capital market, while a capital market stabilisation fund is to be established, as an intervention instrument to stem the meltdown in the market.
Also, the commercial banks were advised to restructure existing facilities to aid operations of licensed stockbrokers, institutional and individual investors on longer repayment terms.
Both the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the NSE, all capital market operators, also agreed jointly to reduce the burden on investors by cutting fees significantly.
Already, the NSE, with effect from yesterday, cut its fees by 50 per cent. One per cent maximum downward limit on daily price movement would be allowed, while the current five per cent limit on upward movement is retained.
The NSE has also embarked on the review of its trading rules and regulations, particularly regarding listing of new issues of companies wishing to list their shares from private placements. - Tribune
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husu (m)
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Banks shun CBN’s order on margin accounts Posted Tuesday, September 9, 2008
With the recent Federal Government intervention in the capital market meltdown, depreciation in the prices of stocks in the market may not stop soon as banks have continued to shun the Central Bank of Nigeria’s (CBN’s) advice for a waiver to be extended to expired margin accounts to allow the market recover fully.
Signs from the market indicate that operators’ morale is still very low, despite the intervention of the government about two weeks ago. It was revealed that the banks have continued to defy the CBN’s advice which was agreed at a meeting with chief executive of banks, convened to seek solution to the persistent slide of share capital.
Market sources said the downward trends in the market might still remain because the banks had continued to sell off shares bought through margin facilities, which could not be redeemed by investors who got the loans to mitigate the loss incurred in the long period of the trend in the market.
Specifically, sources said the credit management units of the banks had persistently put pressure on their assets management units to recover loans given through margin accounts, thereby making the market to witness more divestment rather than purchase briefs from investors.
The sources disclosed that while the CBN advised banks to restructure loans from margin accounts to allow customers to continue to service the facilities as fresh loans in the interest of the market, the banks had discountenanced the agreement, forcing investors to forfeit their investments.
Margin facilities entail the bank to provide 70 per cent while the borrower bears 30 per cent of the cost towards facilitating shares purchase by corporate institutions and individuals in the capital market.
In a bid to stem the meltdown (persistent fall in the shares) in the capital market, the Federal Government had intervened through a parley with the management of the Nigerian Stock Exchange (NSE) and other stakeholders at a meeting in Abuja.
At the meeting, all stakeholders had adopted a number of measures aimed at stopping the slide of share prices, which lasted over five months, with a loss of over N3 trillion.
Some of the measures include the power of the office of the Attorney General of the Federation to issue an exemption to the provisions of the relevant sections of CAMA, to permit quoted companies to buy back up to 20 per cent of their shares to curb the spate of bearish trading in the market.
The CBN was also directed to take appropriate measures to ensure adequate liquidity within the system to oil operations in the capital market, while a capital market stabilisation fund is to be established, as an intervention instrument to stem the meltdown in the market.
Also, the commercial banks were advised to restructure existing facilities to aid operations of licensed stockbrokers, institutional and individual investors on longer repayment terms.
Both the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the NSE, all capital market operators, also agreed jointly to reduce the burden on investors by cutting fees significantly.
Already, the NSE, with effect from yesterday, cut its fees by 50 per cent. One per cent maximum downward limit on daily price movement would be allowed, while the current five per cent limit on upward movement is retained.
The NSE has also embarked on the review of its trading rules and regulations, particularly regarding listing of new issues of companies wishing to list their shares from private placements. - Tribune
I thought representatives from the debt management office were at the meeting.CBN can put something in place to checkmate this.Banks are stylishly killing the NSE.
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husu (m)
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Buyers dey look for the right conditions to arise before they reappear. When them reappear, all those 50million traders when wan sell garri go start to dey hoard am make price go up.
I think some of these stocks will begin to defy gravity upwards small small just like afribank has just done.Remember the buy back.
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tufe (m)
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we can but only hope so 
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naijaking1
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I didn't know it would take a special intervention by the attorney general for companies to mop-up their shares as market stablizing tool. The result? Naija market still get plenty potential.
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JeopardE (m)
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I thought representatives from the debt management office were at the meeting.CBN can put something in place to checkmate this.Banks are stylishly killing the NSE. The banks are still over-leveraged. They have no choice. This is what happened when you don't have competent regulators. When IBTC and co. were running up and down giving people 80% margin on equity investment accounts, our regulators were too stupid to realize that this was not going to be sustainable and that the bubble would eventually burst, just like every other bubble in history has. I still remember speaking to an IBTC branch manager in Abuja who was asking us to open an account with N5 million and receive N20 million in margin. As long as everything was going up all was groovy -- investors were making money and banks were making a killing off margin rates. Problem is when the crap hit the fan and losses started to mount, banks started to realize that they were overexposed and had to start making margin calls. They have to continue to liquidate margin accounts or at some point their capital base won't be able to support their bad debt exposure, and before you know it we'll be looking at our own mini Bear Stearns Naija style. Our regulators are too stupid to see this. I hope they don't do something even more unfortunate and start forcing banks to keep margin lines of credit open -- they've already done enough to cripple the market as it is. Such a move could be catastrophic for a financial system that was just starting to really find its stride. There is nowhere in the world where you'll find an investment bank offering you 80% margin. Nowhere. You wonder why things have been so bad lately? There you go. It is the height of fiscal irresponsibility. And they think they can solve the problem by setting a 1% price floor and begging banks to extend margin credit lines. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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husu (m)
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Offer and Bid Status
The selling pandemonium continued today as investors continued to exit their positions. ACCESS (61m units), OCEANIC (131m units), TRANSCORP (86m, units) IAINSURE (783m units) and LASACO (107m units) topped the offer list. However, DUNLOP (1.38m units), SPRINBANK (66m units), CONOIL (843m units) and OANDO (108m units) continued their bullish stroll which left them closing on bid.
Term of the Day
Skin in the Game
A term coined by renowned investor Warren Buffett referring to a situation in which high-ranking insiders use their own money to buy stock in the company they are running.
The idea behind creating this situation is to ensure that corporations are managed by like-minded individuals who share a stake in the company. Executives can talk all they want, but the best vote of confidence is putting one's own money on the line just like outside investors!
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tufe (m)
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wudnt be surprised that some of them are into insiders trading
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FatherOF2
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ha na wa, oceanic is not going right again. which kind tin be this. 1% is just a whole new ball game.
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tufe (m)
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i have put up my Oceanic for sale for a week now, and no one is willing to buy. i just tire for this whole thing
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husu (m)
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AFRIBANK Shares Remain on High Demand
Selling pressure mounted in the stock market seemed to hold ground with the bears. IAINSURE (690m units), LASACO (104m units), TRANSCORP (80m, units), OCEANIC (54m units), ACCESS (52m units) and GUARANTY (44m units) topped the offer list. A rally for the shares of AFRIBANK as the closure date of shareholder’s register for its twin benefit (Divd= 50kobo & bonus issue 1 for 3) approaches made it to close on bid of over 20m units. SPRINBANK (63m units), DUNLOP (1.18m units), CONOIL (637m units) and ADSWITCH (464m units) were also on high demand at the end of trading session.
Term of the Day
Sinful Stock
This refers to stocks from companies that are associated with (or are directly involved in) activities that are widely considered to be unethical or immoral. It is also known as "sin stock".
Examples of activities some people may consider sinful include the distribution or production of alcohol, tobacco, weapons and sex-related products.
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husu (m)
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ha na wa, oceanic is not going right again. which kind tin be this. 1% is just a whole new ball game.
@father of2, the offer positions in oceanic are dropping down,from 137 to 54million in one day.I Belief felas has started withdrawing their mandates.
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tufe (m)
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sure aint withdrawing mine
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FatherOF2
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@father of2, the offer positions in oceanic are dropping down,from 137 to 54million in one day.I Belief felas has started withdrawing their mandates.
That one is not the problem really. 134million offer can change to be bid overnight.Usually that is not too important a parameter. What i'm looking for has not yielded completely, if it doesn't yield completely, any turnaround will be shortlived. It doesn't look good now for at least first few days of next week.But i pray it maintains this 1% for another few days so everything can set properly for a turnaround. In hindsight now seeing how 1% behaves on price movement, it shows CICO moves can still reign again.
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