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bibiking1
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hi guys! really at a cross road now concerning this Acen insurance stock i would like to know if it is wise i keep faith and wait or should i rather stay safe?
And where would anyone here recommend i go for FOREX trade learning. I am tired of seeing all those other posts that are quite fraudulent. Seems there are serious people in here so i chose to ask you guys. Thanks Hope to hear from you guys ASAP
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jehosaphat
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Guys, Anyone willing to comment on Ashaka Cement. I know they have a lot of cash and are trying to restructure even though have been hit badly recently by Wapco, BCC, CCNN, Flour Mills and even the proposed Obajana. Will it be wise to let drop some more and then take a position? Any estimate as to when a good point would be?
And this Transcorp, looks interesting. I'll watch and see what happens. I know there are some strategic investments going on underneath but they need to streamline things and quit blowing hot air. Make investors happy!! Happy weekend all.
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Temmie10 (m)
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Guys, Anyone willing to comment on Ashaka Cement. I know they have a lot of cash and are trying to restructure even though have been hit badly recently by Wapco, BCC, CCNN, Flour Mills and even the proposed Obajana. Will it be wise to let drop some more and then take a position? Any estimate as to when a good point would be?
And this Transcorp, looks interesting. I'll watch and see what happens. I know there are some strategic investments going on underneath but they need to streamline things and quit blowing hot air. Make investors happy!! Happy weekend all.
Ashaka is a long term investment at this point, It could take close to 2 years to realise significant value to compensate for your choice of ashaka at this time. Transcorp is interesting, if it keeps dropping like this, it could even become a short term investment, Lets see what happens this next week, the only problem is that it is hardly the pick of the market even at 3 naira, the earliest when any value will be realised by the company itself is still 2008 @bibiking1 That Acen insurance pass me o.
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akininNC (m)
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@ Temmie 10 Are you saying you would not stake a position in Transcorp even @ #3 per share. It seems to me that they have too many businesses and one that we need in Nigeria hence they have to turn the corner in the long run. Pls let me know your position. AkininNC
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Temmie10 (m)
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@ Temmie 10 Are you saying you would not stake a position in Transcorp even @ #3 per share. It seems to me that they have too many businesses and one that we need in Nigeria hence they have to turn the corner in the long run. Please let me know your position. AkininNC
i have not said that On the contrary, I would be willing to take a risk at 3 naira (but its still risky at that because it would take a huge further sell-off for transcorp to get to 3 naira, that kind of sell-off is unlikely and should raise questions) What i meant was that even at 3 naira, it is still not the most mouthwatering deal at the market, But i probably would buy if it goes that low,
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akininNC (m)
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Thanks for the clarification,without a huge sell off @ what price would you get . I still think there is going to be further depression on the price that has nothing to do with performance but more to do with investor's lack of instant gratification. So many are making such quick roi that the concept of waiting for 3-5 yrs is foreign to them.
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chokit (m)
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@Temmie, thanks for your responce and i am still waiting to hear from you as usuall.well about transcorp i think its better to keep watching it ,i feel it will surely gets better what do you say ?!
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Temmie10 (m)
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@akininNC I'll be watching transcorp closely this next week to determine which way, esp as no fundamentals currently support it. Its going to be a risk based on their assets primarily and faintly on the future expansion plans, the xpansion plans count for very little at this point, the company is supposed to make 2 billion in earnings this year and 20 billion next year, and this is just ceo's gist, I heard that a block of 60million units was offered for sale last friday and only 33m was sold so its still looks like its going down on monday at least.
@chokit i have replied you
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jehosaphat
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@ Temmie 10 Thanks. I see u holding it down for us! Keep on with the good work bro,
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jehosaphat
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Talking about "Mouthwatering", Ive been watching insurance stocks rise speedily recently without any solid reason except customer interest, hype and the need to make quick gains. I am expecting something of a correction soon and I dont want to purchase any unnecessary stock that will flop like a pack of cards when things go awry, Are there any sectors we havent paid much attention to that might be worth watching? Agriculture, computers/tech, real estate etc. I know that Jim Ovia ( Zenith bank) bought Cellcom, is there a goldmine in communications/technology that the insiders know about and we should start investigating? With the new Presido looking to revamp the energy sector, any unknown energy companies/partners worth watching? I don tire for Bank PO, no PHB, WEMA and the rest for me. market is looking empty o!!!
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chokit (m)
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Bank po or not i believe you should look at where you can or will get a high return on what you put in.You are the one talking about hype in insurance sector for me if it is baking that is look good there i shall be.Wema @10 or below is good so said temmie
@temmie i have talked about insurance sector in my mail to you i hope you have read his comment so let us know which way the wind is blowing
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chokit (m)
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what was the price of wema at the close of business on friday ?
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jehosaphat
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@ Temmie 10 or someone else based in Nigeria
Is there Procter and Gamble in Nigeria? or Johnson and Johnson?
What company most closely mirrors them in terms of consumer products/ sector concentration?
Thanks all.
@Chokit Not bad, dont argue with the crowd. If the crowd likes banking, banking it is,
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bibiking1
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@TEMMIE10
Please i would be pleased if you took a position on ACEN insurance, i really am quite confused
@ALL where can i get comprehensive FOREX trade Education
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forexgiude
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Acen was not part of the merger. Only NEM and Vigilante merged.
@ WANAJO WHERE DID YOU GET THE INFO THAT ONLY NEM AND VIGILANTE MERGED? THE VIGILANTE SHARES WERE ONLY ADDED TO THAT OF NEM BECAUSE OFCOURSE NEM IS THE RESULTANT COMPANY OR THE MERGER, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE THE ONLY MERGERS , PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS: http://www.sec.gov.ng/newmergers.htm(ISSUING HOUSES) :BGL Securities Ltd, Core Trust and Investment Ltd, Independent Securities Ltd. (COMPANIES INVOLVED): NEM Insurance Plc, Vigilant Insurance Company Ltd, ACEN Insurance Company Ltd (PROCESSING STAGE): Formal Approval Granted (RESULTANT COMPANY): NEM Insurance Plc (DATE): 13/07/06 THE ABOVE IS FROM FROM SEC WEBSITE, SO WANAJO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER INFO FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE & IF DATS THE CASE PLEASE SHARE YOUR SOURCE 
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samstone4 (m)
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@akininnc
Re: Transcorp.
I now believe it is not just the desire for instant gratification although the desire to make a quick capital does contribute - hence so many traders in market.
It is more likely, at this point, that people in the know are trying to talk down the price so it can take position cheaply.
Eat their cake and have it.
Brokers love day traders. They get their commission whether you buy or sell.
I will not be selling any of my shares and hope to buy more if the price falls significantly below Friday's close.
Samstone4
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Temmie10 (m)
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@TEMMIE10
Please i would be pleased if you took a position on ACEN insurance, i really am quite confused
@ALL where can i get comprehensive FOREX trade Education
I guess we can say your question is answered. Acen is part of NEM insurance. It is very likely though that the Acen shares have not been listed, in which case they will be listed in due time. @all I am checking on the crusader mergers, its likely that they'll be adding more shares in due course. Not confirmed though.
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Tmoni (m)
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haba, temmie10, we are awaiting the outcome of your investigation, not yet given the buy order thanks
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crazyT (m)
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Easimoni hope you are really enjoying your holiday?
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crazyT (m)
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@ Temmie 10
I just want to re-confirm (now that Easimoni is on holiday) if I can still go for Crusader Insurance because I planned to send some money to Naija tomorrow for Crusader Insurance hope am still on the right part sha???
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Temmie10 (m)
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 there's no cause for alarm. Just get it cheap, its 4.78 now which is not bad Crusader is also on the buy list of a lot of brokerage firms The 3rd quarter result should be out sometime in November. That will be an important indicator
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chokit (m)
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Thanks bro for the recomfirmation i have sent my orders now.
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wanaj0
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Acen was not part of the merger. Only NEM and Vigilante merged.
@ WANAJO WHERE DID YOU GET THE INFO THAT ONLY NEM AND VIGILANTE MERGED? THE VIGILANTE SHARES WERE ONLY ADDED TO THAT OF NEM BECAUSE OFCOURSE NEM IS THE RESULTANT COMPANY OR THE MERGER, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE THE ONLY MERGERS , PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS: http://www.sec.gov.ng/newmergers.htm(ISSUING HOUSES) :BGL Securities Ltd, Core Trust and Investment Ltd, Independent Securities Ltd. (COMPANIES INVOLVED): NEM Insurance Plc, Vigilant Insurance Company Ltd, ACEN Insurance Company Ltd (PROCESSING STAGE): Formal Approval Granted (RESULTANT COMPANY): NEM Insurance Plc (DATE): 13/07/06 THE ABOVE IS FROM FROM SEC WEBSITE, SO WANAJO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER INFO FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE & IF DATS THE CASE PLEASE SHARE YOUR SOURCE  NEM, Vigilant and Acen had a merger agreement. At the end of the day only NEM and Vigilant went together. My sources is teh new NEM. They are integrating Vigilante into their operations. As at now, no association with ACEN. Just like the bank mergers, not all the proposals sailed through!
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krisbobo (m)
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@ All gurus Plzzz help a broda out. I am putting 150k in stocks this week. Will you say i should buy 10k units of Dangote flour or split into let's say crusader, jaipul and others? (which others?) would you plzz advise. And would you pls say way i need to go this way or that? Thanks a great deal. Tammie10 - could you pls confirm if this is your email add temitope@gmail.com? Thanks all.
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whitelexi (m)
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@ All gurus Plzzz help a brother out. I am putting 150k in stocks this week. Will you say i should buy 10k units of Dangote flour or split into let's say crusader, jaipul and others? (which others?) would you plzz advise. And would you please say way i need to go this way or that? Thanks a great deal. Tammie10 - could you please confirm if this is your email add temitope@gmail.com? Thanks all. This really will depend on how long you want that investment to be, if you're looking at one year - 5 years, then Dangote might be the right option, if you're speculative, then something else, may i suggest the insurance industry? 
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krisbobo (m)
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@whitelexi
Thanks. I am looking at a continous investment portfolio. i have followed this thread for a long time and I know that i'm not looking for a fast one. More funds will be available to trade on the second market in a few months. I am just thinking that what would be best with the insurance sector (crusader for instance) being talked about so much and everybody waiting for jaipul and so on if buying dangote flour IPO will not tie my money down unneccessarily while i could have been making money in other areas.
@other Gurus still waiting for you o
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Temmie10 (m)
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@krisbobo Since you are looking for good solid long term returns, I will advise you to consider allocating a good part of your portfolio to banks. I like FCMB, Diamond, First Bank, Intercontinental, even GTB and some others. While some of these might look overly expensive now, they will become relatively very cheap in the next 12-36 months. Some of these banks have amazing ability to meet forecasts. I was going through some fcmb forecasts made last year and i am amazed how they have met the forecasts almost to the letter. Rate of growth is very fast so even a PE of 30 today easily becomes 15 next year and 7.5 the year after assuming PAT or eps grows 50%. In order countries, such high growth companies trade at huge PE's. Google for instance currently trades at PE of about 87 ( yes 87!!) and it only grows at 50% annually, people are still buying because thats a pe of 21 in 2 years, Manchester United was bought for a PE of around 50! BUT all these probably make no sense to the 4 months trader which thankfully you are not.However one should always balance short term risks with some solid long term bargains too. Wema, Crusader, japaul, Nigerian-german are other stocks that i like because they look undervalued currently. yes my email is temietope@gmail.com
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shigidi (m)
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@ temmie10, long time no gist  how u doing. im not too hyped about japaul, the shares from the offer is going to double the amount of shares in circulation, that will halve its eps to 0.3, which should give u 6 bucks by year end, so unless u buy the p.o, i dont see much appreciation. anyway, pls how do u send money to your brokers in nigeria cos i have a friend who wants to open a broker account but doesnt know how shes gonna send money for purchases. do u send to your brokers account or do u have someone pay it in for u??? pls holla back
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steeviee (m)
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Temmie 10 & Shigidi
Is it often better to buy into firms that have high PE ratio or low? i think i'm confusing it all up.
thanks
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bibiking1
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@ ALL There was something i heard recently about a senate committee on the capital market proposing a law to stop banks from raising funds Public offers for the main time. What impact will this have on all those other banks hoping to enter the market now? Will this really help the secondary market? the money market is getting more attractive how sure are they that ivestors will jump back to the secondary market.
@TEMMIE10 seems the odds stack against ACEN but i've decided to tay put. Heard they are on suspension though. i really think it should pay off at a later date
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Temmie10 (m)
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@Shigidi i am fine bro. japaul po is mo mouthwatering tho we are yet to see the prospectus. the eps is currently 30k so the new shares will dilue it further. Any play on buying on the floor is speculative and could yet be profitable on the short term, albeit its risky. tell your friend to send the money to me  on a more serious note, most stockbroking firms have accounts that you can wire the money to from outside the country. If you ask them, they will guide you into payment proceedures. that's safer. that way, your friend can transfer the money from her bank in us/uk/wherever. me? I used to do western union to my broker ( Do not do this unless you know your broker's wife, sisters, brothers, dad, mum like i do!  ). I'd split the money into 4 and send one by one so all he could run away with was 25%. Fortunately i survived this ad hoc arrangement. @stevie All things been equal (which they hardly are), low PE means a BUY opportunity.
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GBGHOSTBOY
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@Temmie10
Kindly advice. Do you think NAHCO and DANGOE FLOUR is a good buy for a long time investment, let say a year or more.I intend to purchase 10000units for each one.
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