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treasureli
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7776 on: December 13, 2007, 07:51 PM »

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windywendy (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7777 on: December 13, 2007, 07:52 PM »

Quote from: pumping777 on December 13, 2007, 07:49 PM
Now, this is the crux of the matter. A margin trader will not consider NGC but investing in such a stock over time can still be very rewarding. Chellerams is another example. Scarcity can also mean you stand to gain a lot, provided you have the stock.

Who says you can't do both? Wink trading and investing that is
yodiyokun (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7778 on: December 13, 2007, 07:53 PM »

Yes oo - credit is available at cheap rates compared to a typical nigerian facility.

Its only credit cards rates that compare to nigerian facilities.

with a line of credit or a credit card with a low rate as 2% for life - you are set oooo

Na other peoples money
pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7779 on: December 13, 2007, 07:53 PM »

Quote from: windywendy on December 13, 2007, 07:48 PM
Hmmm, can you explain that further could perhaps be another addition to my chest of strategies  Wink Smiley


All the charting that is being done in technical analysis is really only trying to predict the future behaviour of majority of traders based on what has happened in the market in the past. Most folks see all these charts as some mathematical jargon that gives rise to some magical decisions. However, these are just mathematical ways of determing what the mood of the market is likely to be.

So for instance if more than 50% of the outstanding shares of a stock were exchanged at an average of N50 in the last one week, what is likely to be the trend of the price next week? These are really the sort of questions these technical analysts are trying to answer and it makes sense.
pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7780 on: December 13, 2007, 07:55 PM »

Quote from: windywendy on December 13, 2007, 07:51 PM
With access to cheap funds here in the States (which I presume you reside), margin trading can be VEEEERRRYYY rewarding. You might want to give it a thought . . .

The problem is not the funds. My portfolio right now has about 40% in cash. The problem is the risk appetite. I've only started trying it out, so I'm threading with caution.
pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7781 on: December 13, 2007, 07:58 PM »

Quote from: windywendy on December 13, 2007, 07:52 PM
Who says you can't do both? Wink trading and investing that is

I combine both methods in my own case but the arguement is with folks that think only stocks with high volumes are worth investing in.

I do   Low volume, High margin          or
          High Volume, Low margin

Either can be very profitable.
easimoni (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7782 on: December 13, 2007, 08:01 PM »

Quote from: windywendy on December 13, 2007, 07:44 PM
keep the daily fsdhh reports in different worksheets  Shocked Shocked Shocked. Naa, the file will become too large then. I used to keep track of volumes by just copying and pasting from the FSDH reports, but lost track of that one when I got real busy. I think what i'll just do is format easi's report to align with the fsdh one and then copy and paste the latest volumes column from then on, unless there's an easier way. Easimoni?

Wendy,
My table is from FSDH's report. Just start from Afprint and copy the volumes down. Paste in my worksheet and enjoy! Note there is a formula to sum up total volumes at the bottom of my sheet that some may find useful. The only time you run into problems is when a new stock is introduced (insert column(s) at the right place in my worksheet)  or renamed/relocated (Intercontinental WAPIC???).
ckenneths (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7783 on: December 13, 2007, 08:03 PM »

For me charts give me headaches, I have always been a student of the 'common sense' approach to investing, and trading, I don't want to make the type of issue I had while arguing in a thread in stockmarketnigeriam
.Com, called investing vs trading. And please
don't give me a loan to trade stocks even without charging me interest, I am better making mistakes and learning from it all with my own cash.
windywendy (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7784 on: December 13, 2007, 08:05 PM »

Quote from: pumping777 on December 13, 2007, 07:55 PM
The problem is not the funds. My portfolio right now has about 40% in cash. The problem is the risk appetite. I've only started trying it out, so I'm threading with caution.

40% cash   Shocked Shocked Shocked Oh Pleeeaaasseee can I have some  Smiley Smiley. Anyway you're right though, risk appetite does determine a lot. I myself started in 8/2005, but started using margin about 3months later. The setting was just perfect -- stocks going for prices that I considered a STEAL, naira appreciating against dollar, the economy and NSE with rapidly improving fundamentals . . . Just converting USD to naira, doing absolutely nothing (or maybe putting the money in a fixed deposit acct) and then converting the naira back to USD within about 3 to 4 months would have resulted in a positive margin over the interest rate here. Twas too good to be true, and windywendy just had to get herself summ. . .  Grin
easimoni (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7785 on: December 13, 2007, 08:05 PM »

Quote from: ckenneths on December 13, 2007, 08:03 PM
For me charts give me headaches, I have always been a student of the 'common sense' approach to investing, and trading, I don't want to make the type of issue I had while arguing in a thread in stockmarketnigeriam
.Com, called investing vs trading. And please
don't give me a loan to trade stocks even without charging me interest, I am better making mistakes and learning from it all with my own cash.

I agree, that debate is best left alone. I'm not against margin trading but I have not gathered enough liver to try it.  Embarrassed Tongue
yodiyokun (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7786 on: December 13, 2007, 08:06 PM »

Quote from: ckenneths on December 13, 2007, 07:44 PM
@yodiyokun, volume is everything in the stock market. Some trend watchers pay very firm attention to volume as this has a big story to tell about the availability or otherwise of any particular stock. High volumes suggest availability while low volumes suggest scarcity.
Also a stock that is sparsely available will experience scarcity immediately large volumes are requested. Some traders love this a lot. Used it myself immediately I found out the number of shares that Nig german has. I saw that only about 30 mil units will form the basis for availability since others are held by top directors and institutions.
Hope this helps.

I have a problem with this ! it can be argued either way - high volume traded could mean many people are selling - because they want to take profit or people ar ebuying because its a good price to enter.

Can we say the turn of the volume treand could mean a reversal in the current price trend? is this the case

Volumes requested is diferent from the volume actually traded. - Please explain how all this works!

yodiyokun (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7787 on: December 13, 2007, 08:08 PM »

Quote from: easimoni on December 13, 2007, 08:01 PM
Wendy,
My table is from FSDH's report. Just start from Afprint and copy the volumes down. Paste in my worksheet and enjoy! Note there is a formula to sum up total volumes at the bottom of my sheet that some may find useful. The only time you run into problems is when a new stock is introduced (insert column(s) at the right place in my worksheet)  or renamed/relocated (Intercontinental WAPIC???).

@Easimoni,

I beg which of your worksheets is that?

Where will I copy the volume to? Am I missing something?

easimoni (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7788 on: December 13, 2007, 08:09 PM »

Quote from: windywendy on December 13, 2007, 08:05 PM
40% cash   Shocked Shocked Shocked Oh Pleeeaaasseee can I have some  Smiley Smiley. Anyway you're right though, risk appetite does determine a lot. I myself started in 8/2005, but started using margin about 3months later. The setting was just perfect -- stocks going for prices that I considered a STEAL, naira appreciating against dollar, the economy and NSE with rapidly improving fundamentals . . . Just converting USD to naira, doing absolutely nothing (or maybe putting the money in a fixed deposit acct) and then converting the naira back to USD within about 3 to 4 months would have resulted in a positive margin over the interest rate here. Twas too good to be true, and windywendy just had to get herself summ. . .  Grin

That works if you wish to borrow a small amount from a US bank. If you've built up a portfolio of N100M (not saying I have o!), which bank in the US will lend you/me 12M/100k USD? Would it be woth you while otherwise?
easimoni (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7789 on: December 13, 2007, 08:09 PM »

windywendy (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7790 on: December 13, 2007, 08:12 PM »

Quote from: yodiyokun on December 13, 2007, 08:06 PM
I have a problem with this ! it can be argued either way - high volume traded could mean many people are selling - because they want to take profit or people ar ebuying because its a good price to enter.

Can we say the turn of the volume treand could mean a reversal in the current price trend? is this the case

Volumes requested is diferent from the volume actually traded. - Please explain how all this works!



Volumes and price by themselves don't really tell the whole story. You have to look at both to get an idea what could be happening in the market. High vols plus increasing prices could mean the shares are being gobbled up. You then need to do your legwork to find out what's happening for real perhaps put that phone call through to your broker, could be a core investor in the works or something  Smiley. For me, the trend is what counts, as it may be fatal to act on a one-off instance.

But I'm still curios about Fatherof2's reference to the market having its own personality . . . Fatherof2, can you please explain further?
yodiyokun (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7791 on: December 13, 2007, 08:12 PM »

Quote from: easimoni on December 13, 2007, 08:09 PM
That works if you wish to borrow a small amount from a US bank. If you've built up a portfolio of N100M (not saying I have o!), which bank in the US will lend you/me 12M/100k USD? Would it be woth you while otherwise?

YOu are right - I think the issue is how much are you currently commanding in your portfolio.

If you have 100M - hypothetically (I no know book o), borrowing 100K USD wont do much .

But if you have only 1M naira in your portofolio borrowing 100K usd - goes a long way to improve your bottom line.

My point being - there are levels and there are levels
pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7792 on: December 13, 2007, 08:14 PM »

Quote from: yodiyokun on December 13, 2007, 08:06 PM
I have a problem with this ! it can be argued either way - high volume traded could mean many people are selling - because they want to take profit or people ar ebuying because its a good price to enter.

Can we say the turn of the volume treand could mean a reversal in the current price trend? is this the case

Volumes requested is diferent from the volume actually traded. - Please explain how all this works!


Actually, let me give one example.

Very High Volume and 5% gain in price will normally translate to a bull run.
Very High Volume and 5% drop in price will normally translate to a bear run.

These are very simple scenarios. It does not require any chart. Now factor in the trading pattern over the last few days and you'll be amazed at the trend that can come to light.
yodiyokun (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7793 on: December 13, 2007, 08:15 PM »

Quote from: easimoni on December 13, 2007, 08:09 PM

I already downloaded the volume - thanks

I thot you meant another spreadsheet.
windywendy (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7794 on: December 13, 2007, 08:15 PM »

Quote from: easimoni on December 13, 2007, 08:09 PM
That works if you wish to borrow a small amount from a US bank. If you've built up a portfolio of N100M (not saying I have o!), which bank in the US will lend you/me 12M/100k USD? Would it be woth you while otherwise?

Get a credit card with a good sized limit, and fixed APR.

between, thanks for the hints on updating the volumes spreadsheet.
ckenneths (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7795 on: December 13, 2007, 08:20 PM »

@yodiyokun, you are peharps right in stating ther that it works both ways sometimes, especially when demands wants to meet supply, volume will become higher. But that is the place where trend watcher kick in, you see the volume has told them a story. They will interprete what the volume says, I never said volumes should be used without reading what it means.
ckenneths (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7796 on: December 13, 2007, 08:22 PM »

@yodiyokun, you are peharps right in stating ther that it works both ways sometimes, especially when demands wants to meet supply, volume will become higher. But that is the place where trend watcher kick in, you see the volume has told them a story. They will interprete what the volume says, I never said volumes should be used without reading what it means.
pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7797 on: December 13, 2007, 08:23 PM »

Quote from: ckenneths on December 13, 2007, 08:03 PM
For me charts give me headaches, I have always been a student of the 'common sense' approach to investing, and trading, I don't want to make the type of issue I had while arguing in a thread in stockmarketnigeriam
.Com, called investing vs trading. And please
don't give me a loan to trade stocks even without charging me interest, I am better making mistakes and learning from it all with my own cash.

Remember I was a ardent believer in long term investing  Huh Huh Huh

Level don change o.
windywendy (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7798 on: December 13, 2007, 08:23 PM »

@ckenneths, which day you come land here? what a surprise  Grin Grin You don fashi your good ol townsmen for the other place? Cheesy Anyway you're very welcome. Your views are highly appreciated!
yodiyokun (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7799 on: December 13, 2007, 08:24 PM »

Quote from: windywendy on December 13, 2007, 08:15 PM
Get a credit card with a good sized limit, and fixed APR.

between, thanks for the hints on updating the volumes spreadsheet.

@Easimoni ,

For those established here - some have as much as 500K USD available to them on credit - this is unsecured oo.

When some banks will just keep upping your limit every 3 months. All this oyinbo they want people to eat gbese till they quench.

windywendy (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7800 on: December 13, 2007, 08:26 PM »

Quote from: pumping777 on December 13, 2007, 08:23 PM
Remember I was a ardent believer in long term investing  Huh Huh Huh

Level don change o.

Ah Pumping, did you say "was"? Abeg don't give up on long term investing oh. That's where the real money is my opinion though. Abi how many of the forbes 400 billionaires are short term investors? At least we know that the #2 on the list is a long term investor  Smiley
yodiyokun (f)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7801 on: December 13, 2007, 08:28 PM »

Quote from: windywendy on December 13, 2007, 08:26 PM
Ah Pumping, did you say "was"? Abeg don't give up on long term investing oh. That's where the real money is my opinion though. Abi how many of the forbes 400 billionaires are short term investors? At least we know that the #2 on the list is a long term investor  Smiley


I think what Mr pumping is saying is that - he is trying short term to see how it goes - I trust him he will not abandon long term investing.

When you have deep pockets - you can only do so much trading!!! Grin
pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7802 on: December 13, 2007, 08:29 PM »

Quote from: yodiyokun on December 13, 2007, 08:24 PM
@Easimoni ,

For those established here - some have as much as 500K USD available to them on credit - this is unsecured oo.

When some banks will just keep upping your limit every 3 months. All this oyinbo they want people to eat gbese till they quench.



$500K unsecured credit from which bank in the US? Huh Huh Huh
ckenneths (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7803 on: December 13, 2007, 08:30 PM »

@windy wendy and all, I am still begging to perch with you people for this great forum. I only hope una go accept me here. As for SMN, I will still retain an active presence there, I love those people there.

I am loyal to you all, fro easimoni to frankiriri to pumping777 to father of 2 to everybody.
pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7804 on: December 13, 2007, 08:31 PM »

Quote from: windywendy on December 13, 2007, 08:26 PM
Ah Pumping, did you say "was"? Abeg don't give up on long term investing oh. That's where the real money is my opinion though. Abi how many of the forbes 400 billionaires are short term investors? At least we know that the #2 on the list is a long term investor  Smiley

In fact you are very right but not about the deep pockets part

I use good PO/IPO opportunities to take care of my long term investing while I see how this momentum based trading goes. My limit remains that I won't buy a stock without good fundamentals. I don't care about any momentum then. It means I will miss out on some juicy opportunities but no problem. I need to preserve my funds.
pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7805 on: December 13, 2007, 08:33 PM »

Quote from: ckenneths on December 13, 2007, 08:30 PM
@windy wendy and all, I am still begging to perch with you people for this great forum. I only hope una go accept me here. As for SMN, I will still retain an active presence there, I love those people there.

I am loyal to you all, fro easimoni to frankiriri to pumping777 to father of 2 to everybody.

I'm with you in surfacing at both forums. The folks here too like book  Grin Grin Grin Na so so chart and numbers  Grin

If no be SMN, I for still dey beg for Aiico and Costain prospectus till now. God bless Apache!!!
FatherOF2
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7806 on: December 13, 2007, 08:39 PM »

Quote from: pumping777 on December 13, 2007, 08:14 PM
Actually, let me give one example.

Very High Volume and 5% gain in price will normally translate to a bull run.
Very High Volume and 5% drop in price will normally translate to a bear run.

These are very simple scenarios. It does not require any chart. Now factor in the trading pattern over the last few days and you'll be amazed at the trend that can come to light.

I think this guy pumping has his body in the US and his soul in the NSE.
You're studying the NSE book on your own and getting it.
I heard you say you were lurking for beta glass the other day.I laughed.If you had struck on the Thursday/friday days i told you about,you would have been 10% richer today.Now look two weeks back from 7th when Beta glass hit its last low,it was a friday again.Now this is were volume (trading wise comes in for me).Its RISKY though but forget that i've talked about 25% many a time.I usually use N6m or a little less to get 10% in one week and after my broker commission,i end up with N360,000 in 1 week.
@Windywendy

I'm really impressed with your bravery oh for a lady.You're my second sister after yodiyokun.
NSE has habits and these old habits just don't stop.We human beings behave continuosly in particular ways and patterns by which we can be easily identified.
I'll explain some things later in future sessions.Examples will pop up.
pumping777 (m)
Re: Stock Market Tips For Nigerians
« #7807 on: December 13, 2007, 08:46 PM »

Quote from: FatherOF2 on December 13, 2007, 08:39 PM
I think this guy pumping has his body in the US and his soul in the NSE.
You're studying the NSE book on your own and getting it.
I heard you say you were lurking for beta glass the other day.I laughed.If you had struck on the Thursday/friday days i told you about,you would have been 10% richer today.Now look two weeks back from 7th when Beta glass hit its last low,it was a friday again.Now this is were volume (trading wise comes in for me).Its RISKY though but forget that i've talked about 25% many a time.I usually use N6m or a little less to get 10% in one week and after my broker commission,i end up with N360,000 in 1 week.
@Windywendy

I'm really impressed with your bravery oh for a lady.You're my second sister after yodiyokun.
NSE has habits and these old habits just don't stop.We human beings behave continuosly in particular ways and patterns by which we can be easily identified.
I'll explain some things later in future sessions.Examples will pop up.

Trust that I already told my broker that my trades can only be executed on Thursay or Friday Just joking but frankly I've stopped trading outside this window.

I think you have access to my portfolio  Grin. My Beta Glass is looking at me with 10% interest. However, caution got the best of me. I only bought 50k units  Sad Sad
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