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toshmann (m)
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in most of her posts, our darling sister drusilla makes it clear that she is pro black. and I love her for it. but there seems to be something not too right with her views. she seems not to appreciate the fact that black people have got a lot of imperfections too. such as black on black violence. and also the evils of the black people in mother africa. in a particular thread i read her say-"a black man can never hurt me". this gives me the impression that may be she feels that black people are so innocent and can't hurt an ant. that they are innocent victims of injustice. for me, the black man is a victim of injustice. but for me to use the word innocent, i use it on individual levels. and not for a generalisation of the character of a group/race. no race deserves that description. nevertheless, i must confess, reading her posts made me more knowledgeable. thank you sister
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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What she meant was physical harm, and that is true, A mixed black nine years old girl who has a Russian mum was stabbed seven times on the shoulder in Russia because she was black , Now tell me my brother toshman, would that ever happen in any black country?, hell no!.
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toshmann (m)
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but oga 9-2-5, thousands of blacks of various ages and both sexes have been hacked to death in nigeria because of their tribe or religion. is it not violence. is it not worrisome? hacking someone down b/c of the color of her skin and hacking another for the geography of her birth or her religion are both evil and the perpertrators of both crimes are evil people wether they are white or black or yellow or whatever.
black people have been victims for long. but black people are no angels. I have been in europe for about a year and i have learnt a lot and of course there is still a lot to learn from people like u who have been here for some time. but may be I should say U've been away from africa for too long. we got some evils going on at home too. man's injustice to man. we shouldn't shy away from it simple b/c it's black man doint it to black man.
if a white man hits me, i'm annoyed but if my brother(black man) hits me, it annoys me even more.
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WesleyanA (f)
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in most of her posts, our darling sister drusilla makes it clear that she is pro black. and I love her for it. but there seems to be something not too right with her views. she seems not to appreciate the fact that black people have got a lot of imperfections too. such as black on black violence. and also the evils of the black people in mother africa.
in a particular thread i read her say-"a black man can never hurt me". this gives me the impression that may be she feels that black people are so innocent and can't hurt an ant.
i think when she said that, she meant blacks won't hurt her just because she's black unlike other races. (see NinetoFive's post) black on black violence. hmm, do you think those guys go out in the streets saying "oh here's a black guy just like me, let me stab him" ? Violence isn't black. anyone with a real sense should know that. They're just trying to make it seem like we hate ourselves and thereby hurting us. that's white on black crime. if people can only stop looking at everything about blacks on a racial level. when a white guy kills or hurts another white man, it's probably because of business rivalry, the guy has a bad personality, they had conflicting differences blah blah and all the other reasons they give. it's never seen on a racial level let alone called "white on white violence." It's not like they acually show it to the world anyways. but if it has anything to do with blacks, the world will know by the next morning. if only there were more a whole lot more people like Drusilla!! "evil of the black people in mother Africa"  oh please don't let me start. better still, don't let Drusilla start on you. would you say "evil of the white people in the Americas" when you look at the war in Iraq and all that's going on, racism (against blacks, muslims, e.t.c), immorality, exploitation of other nations wealth including Africa's e.t.c ? it seems to me you've been brainwashed to thinking the black race is evil. now your the one commiting a crime against your race. lol
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WesleyanA (f)
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if a white man hits me, i'm annoyed but if my brother(black man) hits me, it annoys me even more.
I think for whites it's different. if another white guy hits them, they're annoyed. but if a black guy hits them, it annoys them even more.
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superman (m)
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what is this?
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toshmann (m)
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oh please don't let me start. better still, don't let Drusilla start on you.
abeg o, i no want drusilla wahala!!!!!if a white man hits me, i wont be surprised. he is already a notorious evil. but if a brother, who i expect to think better does it to me. it hurts further. that's what i meant. violence is evil-white on white, white on black black on black. all are evil. while there is a lot of stories about white on white violence-the world wars and civil wars etc, and white on others-numerous, black on black also exists. in summary, i agree with you but i just worry that drusilla appears to have the impression that black people are a set of innocent harmless victims of an unfair world. that is not 100%correct.
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WesleyanA (f)
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I got you. no one is innocent (maybe little kids). it all has to do with the individual (and maybe what's influencing the individials) not the race.
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babyosisi (f)
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We can cry black love all we want,even us naijas will run away from predominantly black neighborhoods because the crime rates are higher and the schools are bad.
It's sad to say but whenever I come into a neighborhood and its all black people,I feel unsafe and before long it is proven right why I should move.
I hope this statement doesn't invite certain people to chew and spew me out. Oh well!!!
I love my black folks but we too dey do am for crime
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WesleyanA (f)
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We can cry black love all we want,even us naijas will run away from predominantly black neighborhoods because the crime rates are higher and the schools are bad.
It's sad to say but whenever I come into a neighborhood and its all black people,I feel unsafe and before long it is proven right why I should move.
I hope this statement doesn't invite certain people to chew and spew me out. Oh well!!!
I love my black folks but we (I, babyosisi) too dey do am for crime
so your saying crime is a racial thing?  if a black man was rich, comfortable, educated and all that, he would still commit violent crimes 'cause he's black? i modified your post because I'm black and not a criminal.  i like diversity but i wouldn't mind living in a predominantly black neighborhood. take PG county for example 
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babyosisi (f)
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Wes,that was not proper of you to modify my posting while you're quoting me. That was very tacky and uncouth but maybe such is your style.
By pg county Maryland are you talking laurel,largo,lanham,capitol heights,Adelphi, college park or what is that other popular naija town before college park. Or the Naija VI equivalent of Bowie and Upper Marlboro.
If you live in any of them and you have kids and send them to public schools good luck. If indeed you live in Maryland you can't deny what I'm saying. I am not bashing blacks,I'm one. But we cannot deny the glaring black crime statistics,to ask questions like yours will not help anyone. If one fails to recognise a problem,it could never be solved.
There are very poor rural whites in trailer homes in counties close to mine yet the crime rate is consistently higher amongst blacks,I point fingers to the broken black homes and the culture of planned single-parenthood not poverty level,let's call a spade a spade.
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Donzman (m)
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If a black man hits me, I'll smack his teeth off. If a white man hits me, I'll take it as life, those guys will give my black ass a hundred years without parole. 
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mamaput (f)
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We all watched court clack .The soap in Nigeria it came long ago. About a Translator in court that translates a case(The white man was the judge). This man Just modified the way he wanted. To modify a Quote is fraud,.
Drusilla talks like the white man that came to Africa. (the missionaries) Like Blacks in Africa are poor innocent children that have not seen the light. Whats the difference between hausas and igbos killing themselves and whites killing blacks.
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IBEXY (m)
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every human is cappable of violence. I don't know why ours became a point of reference What are the root causes of violence - poverty, discrimination (racism), neglects etc
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mamaput (f)
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every human is cappable of violence. I don't know why ours became a point of reference What are the root causes of violence - poverty, discrimination (racism), neglects etc
The likes of Dru claim that there was no evil in Africa be4 the comming of the white man. And it was the white man that is the root of all evil. Admitted he is the root of many evil., But not all. And just because someone did something bad i do not have to copy it. I teach my kids to say no to drugs. Will i stop sending my kids to school or out to play because people take drugs.? Will i stop allowing my kids to have friends that smoke because they may start smoking. I myself smoke. But my kids do not And they will not start it because i do it.
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Drusilla (f)
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toshman, 
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Drusilla (f)
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Toshman, Mamaput and Babyosisi,
Please answer this.
Why do we have historical records that the Blackman has always called the Whiteman -- the devil or children of the devil? Is this proof that the Blackman is bad?
Egypt 5000 years ago or so:
Egyptians called white foreigners: Homosexuals who worship the devil (seth).
Congo, India, SE ASIA about 600 or so years ago:
The devils were white and the Gods were Black.
CONGO"The indigenous peoples of the Congo," he wrote, "are all black in color, some more so, some less so. Many are to be seen who are the color of chestnut and some tend to be more olive-colored. But the one who is of the deepest black in color is held by them to be the most beautiful. Some are born somewhat light-skinned, but as they grow older they become darker and darker. This occurs because their mothers make use of the artifice of an ointment, with which they anoint their infants, exposing them once they have been anointed, to the rays of the sun, then leaving them there for long periods, and repeating this action over and over, There are some children who although their parents are black, are born white skinned and although they anoint them and use all manners of artifice they can never be transformed into blackskinned people. And these are regarded by the Congolese as monsters. They have the same features and the same tightly curled hair as the black Congolese, but their skin is white and they are short-sighted, As a result, children in those areas, where a white has never been seen before, would become terrified, fleeing in horror from us, no less than our children here are terrified by the sight of a black also fleeing in horror for them.[Teruel, Antonio de, Narrative Description of, the Kingdom of the Congo (1663-1664) Ms. 3533:3574/National Library, Madrid, Spain]
SOUTH INDIA
"It is a fact that in this country when a child is born they anoint him once a week with oil of sesame, and this makes him grow much darker than when he was born. For I assure you that the darkest man is here the most highly esteemed and considered better than the others who are not so dark. Let me add that in very truth these people portray and depict their gods and their idols black their devils white as snow. For they say the God and all the saints are black and the devils are all white. That is why they portray them as I have described. And similarly they make the images of their idols all black."[Marco Polo, The Travels, translated and with an Introduction by Ronald Latham, Middlesex: Penguin Books, 1958]
SOUTHEAST ASIA"For the complexion of men,they consider black the most beautiful. In all the kingdoms of the southern region, it is the same."[Nan Ts'i Chou, quoted by Rene Gaston Georges Maspero, The Kingdom of Champa. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1949]
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Since we can show thousands of years of Blacks associating "whiteness" with the devil, is this a sign of our Black Racism?
Why have Black people consistently sent this message "that whites are to be associated with devils" down through thousands of years?
Why is it that in this modern world, we indeed find that yes, a lot of whites are homosexuals and yes, whites have done a lot of really horrible devilment?
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Drusilla (f)
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Genial,
Sorry. I was just erasing that post, as you were posting.
Alright. Smile.
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Genial (m)
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Ok, Drusilla. I understand. 
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Drusilla (f)
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Genial,  Smile.
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Genial (m)
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That's not a smile, Drusilla. That's being cheesy. Is it too much for me to ask you to respond to my warm, guileless smile? 
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Drusilla (f)
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Genial,
If you understood how much I laugh and smile and grin when I post here, you would understand cheesy. Smile.
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Genial (m)
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Fair enough. I suppose I'll have to accept that. My smile remains.
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Drusilla (f)
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Genial,
Before you go, could you take a try at answering the question?
This one:
Please answer this.
Why do we have historical records that the Blackman has always called the Whiteman -- the devil or children of the devil? Is this proof that the Blackman is bad?
Egypt 5000 years ago or so:
Egyptians called white foreigners: Homosexuals who worship the devil (seth).
Congo, India, SE ASIA about 600 or so years ago:
The devils were white and the Gods were Black.
CONGO"The indigenous peoples of the Congo," he wrote, "are all black in color, some more so, some less so. Many are to be seen who are the color of chestnut and some tend to be more olive-colored. But the one who is of the deepest black in color is held by them to be the most beautiful. Some are born somewhat light-skinned, but as they grow older they become darker and darker. This occurs because their mothers make use of the artifice of an ointment, with which they anoint their infants, exposing them once they have been anointed, to the rays of the sun, then leaving them there for long periods, and repeating this action over and over, There are some children who although their parents are black, are born white skinned and although they anoint them and use all manners of artifice they can never be transformed into blackskinned people. And these are regarded by the Congolese as monsters. They have the same features and the same tightly curled hair as the black Congolese, but their skin is white and they are short-sighted, As a result, children in those areas, where a white has never been seen before, would become terrified, fleeing in horror from us, no less than our children here are terrified by the sight of a black also fleeing in horror for them.[Teruel, Antonio de, Narrative Description of, the Kingdom of the Congo (1663-1664) Ms. 3533:3574/National Library, Madrid, Spain]
SOUTH INDIA
"It is a fact that in this country when a child is born they anoint him once a week with oil of sesame, and this makes him grow much darker than when he was born. For I assure you that the darkest man is here the most highly esteemed and considered better than the others who are not so dark. Let me add that in very truth these people portray and depict their gods and their idols black their devils white as snow. For they say the God and all the saints are black and the devils are all white. That is why they portray them as I have described. And similarly they make the images of their idols all black."[Marco Polo, The Travels, translated and with an Introduction by Ronald Latham, Middlesex: Penguin Books, 1958]
SOUTHEAST ASIA"For the complexion of men,they consider black the most beautiful. In all the kingdoms of the southern region, it is the same."[Nan Ts'i Chou, quoted by Rene Gaston Georges Maspero, The Kingdom of Champa. New Haven: Yale University Press, 1949]
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Since we can show thousands of years of Blacks associating "whiteness" with the devil, is this a sign of our Black Racism?
Why have Black people consistently sent this message "that whites are to be associated with devils" down through thousands of years?
Why is it that in this modern world, we indeed find that yes, a lot of whites are homosexuals and yes, whites have done a lot of really horrible devilment?
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chinani (f)
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I wasn't going to comment on this thread but WesA I must applaud you seriously esp. for your 1st post, including but not lmtd to this: black on black violence. hmm, do you think those guys go out in the streets saying "oh here's a black guy just like me, let me stab him" ? Violence isn't black. anyone with a real sense should know that. They're just trying to make it seem like we hate ourselves and thereby hurting us. that's white on black crime. if people can only stop looking at everything about blacks on a racial level.
when a white guy kills or hurts another white man, it's probably because of business rivalry, the guy has a bad personality, they had conflicting differences blah blah and all the other reasons they give. it's never seen on a racial level let alone called "white on white violence." It's not like they acually show it to the world anyways. but if it has anything to do with blacks, the world will know by the next morning.
"evil of the black people in mother Africa" Shocked oh please don't let me start. better still, don't let Drusilla start on you.
would you say "evil of the white people in the Americas" when you look at the war in Iraq and all that's going on, racism (against blacks, muslims, e.t.c), immorality, exploitation of other nations wealth including Africa's e.t.c ?
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Donzman (m)
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Anybody who says that only the white man is bad is extremely delusional and will keep getting smacked by Donzman. Intolerable, get a brain. Evil knows no skin colour, it wasn't the white man who compelled Hutus and Tutsis to butcher themselves like wild animals.
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Drusilla (f)
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Donzman,
Ahh. Apparently you did not get the memo.
1. Tutsu's Helped oppress the Hutu's for decades with white colonizers. 2. Tutsu's accepted white support, training and weapons from White countries. 3. Tutsu's went to war twice with white money.
Hutu's try final solution to stop the Tutsu's continous going to war against them to gain control and oppress them -- The Rwandan Massacre.
Didn't work.
Tutsu's along with their American backers (President Clinton even stopped in this little bitty country to reward the new president after the massacre.) are back in control of the majority population.
Whites in fact not only compelled but fully funded and supported what has went on in Rwanda for many decades.
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Donzman (m)
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So Tutsis are nothing but tools who have no opinions or mental capabilities of their own? Maybe Tutsis wanted control so they alligned with the white man in order to gain that control as opposed to the white man hating Hutus for whatever reason. Tutsis used the western support to their own advantage. Ever thought of that? Think my friend, 2 sides to a coin.
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toshmann (m)
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@ drusilla  abeg o. we've been through this before. but sister, i think it's high time we stop this blame game. the whites did a lot of evil. no debate there. but to exonerate the evils such as the rwanda genocide done by black people, or to blame the white man entirely for that evil, seems to me to be at best-preposterous. if i have a promiscous wife, will i blame the man who sleeps with her only? no. i will also blame the wife who went to the man. so while u blame the white man who may have supplied the weapon and fueled the crisis, we must never forget to blame the black man who killed his brother because , remember, the matchetting was done by our brothers OMG i'm in it with drusilla again
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