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mamaput (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #800 on: December 03, 2006, 07:58 PM »

A bitch ass = to as of a female dog.
Bitch is the orignal word for female dog and am ass is an ass.
Well that is what i learned at school In Nigeria
But some people have changed the meaning of the word.
As for me i do not know any proud to be Nigerian that would use a term like that.
Its so un Nigerian
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #801 on: December 03, 2006, 07:58 PM »

A tribe, viewed historically or developmentally, consists of a social group existing before the development of, or outside of, states, though some modern theorists hold that contemporary tribes can only be understood in terms of their relationship to states.

How does this nagate my viewing AA as a tribe, the new word is ethnic minority.


mamaput (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #802 on: December 03, 2006, 08:00 PM »

here for you popcorn


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mamaput (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #803 on: December 03, 2006, 08:03 PM »

The term is often loosely used to refer to any non-Western or indigenous society. Many anthropologists use the term to refer to societies organized largely on the basis of kinship, especially corporate descent groups (see clan and lineage).

In common modern understanding the word tribe is a social division within a traditional society consisting of a group of interlinked families or communities sharing a common culture and dialect. In the contemporary western mind the modern tribe is typically associated with a seat of traditional authority (tribal leader) with whom the representatives of external (eg state or occupying) powers interact.

ThiefOfHearts (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #804 on: December 03, 2006, 08:05 PM »

Quote from: mamaput on December 03, 2006, 07:58 PM
A bitch ass = to as of a female dog.
Bitch is the orignal word for female dog and am ass is an ass.
Well that is what i learned at school In Nigeria
But some people have changed the meaning of the word.
As for me i do not know any proud to be Nigerian that would use a term like that.
Its so un Nigerian

nah bitch is a female dog

"bitch ass" is a term for GUYS who act all tough but are really pussies. kind of ironic, really.  Cheesy
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #805 on: December 03, 2006, 08:06 PM »

To Mammaput,

The little time I had with you, really had a tremendous inpact on you, I ve come across your posts since then and I can only say, what ever that is happening to you lately is a positive one.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #806 on: December 03, 2006, 08:14 PM »

Quote from: mamaput on December 03, 2006, 08:03 PM
The term is often loosely used to refer to any non-Western or indigenous society. Many anthropologists use the term to refer to societies organized largely on the basis of kinship, especially corporate descent groups (see clan and lineage).

In common modern understanding the word tribe is a social division within a traditional society consisting of a group of interlinked families or communities sharing a common culture and dialect. In the contemporary western mind [/b]the modern tribe is typically associated with a seat of traditional authority (tribal leader) with whom the representatives of external (eg state or occupying) powers interact.




Fortunately I don't think from the contemporary western mind set, and I couldn't care less.
mamaput (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #807 on: December 03, 2006, 08:16 PM »

what a suprise.
I am not that often here anymore.
You know what the say about a life outside the forum.
If the igbos are a tribe , the  Hausas too , why put AA people all under one comb.
The USA is so large they are a race not a tribe.
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #808 on: December 03, 2006, 08:18 PM »

Resorting to name calling is so becoming.

He knows who he is and so does she. The foul mouth name calling is so mature and says so much about you two. Curse word after every none course word is so  Undecided
ThiefOfHearts (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #809 on: December 03, 2006, 08:21 PM »

I wish I knew where I was when the world declared ''nigger and faggot" as being "nice" words.  Damn my job!  Angry

Quote from: mamaput on December 03, 2006, 08:00 PM
here for you popcorn

 Kiss
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #810 on: December 03, 2006, 08:22 PM »

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If the igbos are a tribe , the  Hausas too , why put AA people all under one comb.
The USA is so large they are a race not a tribe.


this would only be true if you only consider that C/A born people are the only ones who have tribes. Africa is filled with the black race but they have tribes within that race because of the nationality backgrounds. However in America, AA people are a tribal race within a place that has many races. AA people came from different tribes and ethnic backgrounds in west Africa and through slavery, those tribes from different ethnic backgrounds all mixed. So by nature, as a result here in America by choice and by heritage, we stand off from the rest in a place where we are the only ones who are black. In essence. We are a tribe and if we relocated back to Africa, we would still be a tribe with our own ways of life and practices.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #811 on: December 03, 2006, 08:28 PM »

Quote from: mamaput on December 03, 2006, 08:16 PM
what a suprise.
I am not that often here anymore.
You know what the say about a life outside the forum.


What ever it is, I know is a positive one, i can almost feel it.


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If the igbos are a tribe , the Hausas too , why put AA people all under one comb.
The USA is so large they are a race not a tribe.


To an outsider AA is a race, but to me the AA is a tribe, and fortunately again I define things the way I see them.
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #812 on: December 03, 2006, 08:31 PM »

If one Bares a full bred seed of where nigger and faggot came from one can expect to be foul mouthed every day and foul mouthed in each sentence one speaks. I am sure one is very familiar and did exist at a time when those words were brought about. However, one can pretend one did not exist and this language is unknown to them.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #813 on: December 03, 2006, 08:39 PM »

AA's a tribe?, 925 when will you stop?
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #814 on: December 03, 2006, 08:42 PM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 03, 2006, 08:39 PM
AA's a tribe?, 925 when will you stop?

ain't no stopping me bro.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #815 on: December 03, 2006, 08:45 PM »

I conclude stupidity lasts for a lifetime in your case!  Grin
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #816 on: December 03, 2006, 08:52 PM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 03, 2006, 08:45 PM
I conclude stupidity lasts for a lifetime in your case! Grin

I think I 've been able to put you in your right place, may be you want to get another kick, is not about might but the power of number 6 which you lack.
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #817 on: December 03, 2006, 09:37 PM »

@Donzman

AA's do have their tribes, you don't have to believe it Donzman but they do. Also the AA tribes fight and kill each other as well. You have the southern black Americans who occasionally argue with the Northern black Americans but usually they have peace. We have the Western Americans who go against the Eastern and so forth but usually we have peace because we know that we all mostly migrated from the south. 

Also, the African Caribbeans are a tribe and the African Brazilians are a tribe, African west Indies and so fourth. Most of the time time descendants of African slaves have tribal wars and fights  that take place between the neighboring. Like I live in Oakland Ca. but I grew up in San Francisco Ca. which is 30 minutes away. I mite add that Oakland and San Francisco are both city's but Oakland is a city that is similar to the country and not to different in looks from the looks of Los Angeles. Oakland blacks and San Francisco blacks at one time did not get along, however that is over because just like my self, a lot of San Francisco blacks moved to Oakland and some Oaklanders moved to San Francisco. Weather you believe it or not, most of the time we have unity and the fighting and waring mostly takes place between the youngsters and some adults who never grew up.

You can google wars between AA's who live in different city's or states to see what you come up with. You can also check out the difference between the South and the North American blacks, you will see. Southern black music is different from northern black music. Even the foods are different.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #818 on: December 03, 2006, 09:46 PM »

Just because people quarell, that does not make them a tribe or an ethnic group. To be a tribe, you atleast ought to have been existing prior to the European colonization and things of that nature. You have to be an indigene of someplace where you can say this is my land, AAs do not fit into any of that category. A group of people having similar x-tics does not make a tribe, that's a community or society.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #819 on: December 03, 2006, 10:08 PM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 03, 2006, 09:46 PM
Just because people quarell, that does not make them a tribe or an ethnic group. To be a tribe, you atleast ought to have been existing prior to the European colonization and things of that nature. You have to be an indigene of someplace where you can say this is my land, AAs do not fit into any of that category. A group of people having similar x-tics does not make a tribe, that's a community or society.

That was the way the Europeans defined it, but I 've defined it the right way, if you don't like it?, I can't help you, the whites either can't say America is my land [ but you hear of them wanting to defend their home land every day, I guess they have the right to redefine America as their home land ],mental slavery is the greatest black mans problem, donzman purge yourself of it, or you would continue not to like me.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #820 on: December 03, 2006, 10:22 PM »

925, clearly state your definition so I can pick it apart accordingly please!, By the way, white people invented or defined the word "tribe" so any other definition not based on the original is wrong so I don't know what you're rambling about. Tribe is an English word and a European concept and it's only within that context that you can properly define it.

By the way, don't dodge the issue at hand, I need to see your definition.
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #821 on: December 03, 2006, 10:30 PM »

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on December 03, 2006, 10:08 PM
That was the way the Europeans defined it, but I 've defined it the right way, if you don't like it?, I can't help you, the whites either can't say America is my land[ but you hear of them wanting to defend their home land every day, I guess they have the right to redefine America as their home land ],mental slavery is the greatest black mans problem, donzman purge yourself of it, or you would continue not to like me.

Chew this facts first, for sure you are not going to like my gut for a long time to come, you bet yah.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #822 on: December 03, 2006, 10:32 PM »

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1.  social division of people: a society or division of a society whose members have ancestry, customs, beliefs, and leadership in common  
Encarta ® World English Dictionary

I will work with that definition form Encarta and going by that, AA's are not a tribe. Ancestry range from Igbo to Mende to Bantu to Swahili. Claiming "Africa" as the common ancestry is absured, everybody came from Africa.

Customs (do they have any customs original to them?), I do not know of any original customs/beliefs they hold.

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Chew this facts first, for sure you are not going to like my gut for a long time to come, you bet yah.

There is nothing there for me to chew! Undecided

I see you're running away from the issue at hand, what is your definition of a tribe?
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #823 on: December 03, 2006, 10:53 PM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 03, 2006, 10:32 PM
I will work with that definition form Encarta and going by that, AA's are not a tribe. Ancestry range from Igbo to Mende to Bantu to Swahili. Claiming "Africa" as the common ancestry is absured, everybody came from Africa.

Customs (do they have any customs original to them?), I do not know of any original customs/beliefs they hold.

There is nothing there for me to chew! Undecided

I see you're running away from the issue at hand, what is your definition of a tribe?

The Igbos can be described as a tribe right?,  but the igbos Origin is not one source, the Igbos origin varies from Igala , Benin and even Yoruba {vis versa]

The last time I checked Hip hop is the culture of the African America, the reason why you may never understand me is because you are not a thinker, live with it friend,  I have the freedom of saying stuffs, I wont give you my definition of tribe for scrutiny because you are not qualified.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #824 on: December 03, 2006, 11:09 PM »

Hip Hop is a fusion of very different cultures and it isn't what you'll call original. Reducing African Americans to Hip-Hop is kind of myopic and I'll be insulted if I was an AA.

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The Igbos can be described as a tribe right?,  but the igbos Origin is not one source, the Igbos origin varies from Igala , Benin and even Yoruba

This is exactly why tribes are looked at prior to the European imperialism, colonization etcetera. AA's as a group did not even exist prior to that. Igbos are a nation which is much larger than a tribe, Onicha people, Asaba people, Nnewi, Ichi, Mbaise, Mbaano, Arochukwu ,Enugwu-Ukwu, Abagana, Owerri and etcetera are tribes or atleast closer to it. Igbo is a people, it is a language and it can also be used to refer to a land area.

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I wont give you my definition of tribe for scrutiny because you are not qualified.
Only cowards without ideas refuse to say what defines their underlying thought processes. You sound like an idiot who only wants to disagree with Donzman without any solid basis, don't worry because I've had many of those in my short time on earth. They only wish to learn from me but do not have the audacity to ask me directly so instead they choose to engage in senseless arguments. I always knew you had no working definition of a tribe, you were just rambling for the sake of it.
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #825 on: December 03, 2006, 11:14 PM »

@Donzman


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Just because people quarell, that does not make them a tribe or an ethnic group. To be a tribe, you atleast ought to have been existing prior to the European colonization and things of that nature.


This is your theory and just like most if not all, your theory's are not well thought out. Your theory is based on white mans interpretation and even when you use what he (white man) concludes as to what makes a person a part of a tribe, your theory is still flawed.

Obviously quarelling amongst your neighbors  is more of an African thing than it is anything other race of people. I was just trying to show you that the apple does not fall far from the tree.

The make up of descendants of African slaves have been existing long before Slavery and colonization. AA's as well as all descendants of African slaves are a mixed up breed  of west Africans who consist of many tribes and those tribes are of different ethnic backgrounds. Being a mixed up African who consist of different Africans from different tribal and ethnic backgrounds, you can't get anymore ethnic and tribal than that. Mixed Africans always existed, Europeans did not invent them out of slavery and colonization. A mixed up African descendant of African slaves is no different from the mixed up Nigerian who is looked at as to be a minority in Nigeria like the pan tribe in the North central region.


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You have to be an indigene of someplace where you can say this is my land, AAs do not fit into any of that category.


Just because they were stolen or sold into slavery making them robbed of their home, that does not make them not indigenous, it just makes them misplaced. They are still indigenous people who just happen to be living some where else. If You up root and African violet and put it in Europe, that violet will still be an African violet it will just be obviously misplaced.

A group of people having similar x-tics does not make a tribe, that's a community or society.

This comment is a bunch of rubbish like the majority of your comments are.

Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #826 on: December 03, 2006, 11:18 PM »

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Obviously quarelling amongst your neighbors  is more of an African thing than it is anything other race of people. I was just trying to show you that the apple does not fall far from the tree

Are you kidding?, The French,English, Dutch,Spanish, Italians and co. have been killing themselves since the beginning of time. Fighting with neighbours is not unique to Africa, hello!

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The make up of descendants of African slaves have been existing long before Slavery and colonization. AA's as well as all descendants of African slaves are a mixed up breed  of west Africans who consist of many tribes and those tribes are of different ethnic backgrounds. Being a mixed up African who consist of different Africans from different tribal and ethnic backgrounds, you can't get anymore ethnic and tribal than that. Mixed Africans always existed, Europeans did not invent them out of slavery and colonization. A mixed up African descendant of African slaves is no different from the mixed up Nigerian who is looked at as to be a minority in Nigeria like the pan tribe in the North central region.

You're missing the point, the point is that African Americans as a people did not exist prior to European colonization.

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This comment is a bunch of rubbish like the majority of your comments are.

I like to see my comments and intelligent and full of power which makes them difficult to refute.

Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #827 on: December 03, 2006, 11:33 PM »

@Donzman


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I will work with that definition form Encarta and going by that, AA's are not a tribe. Ancestry range from Igbo to Mende to Bantu to Swahili. Claiming "Africa" as the common ancestry is absured, everybody came from Africa.

Everybody did not come from Africa. Everyone may have a genetic make up wich is from an African of some sort but a African woman did not push a European baby out of her body, nor did an  African woman push an Asiatic baby out of her body. The African man did not plant the seeds of those non African descent babies into an African woman either.
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Hip Hop is a fusion of very different cultures and it isn't what you'll call original. Reducing African Americans to Hip-Hop is kind of myopic and I'll be insulted if I was an AA.


I don't agree with 925 on some issues but you are wrong here, I as an AA is not insulted. Hip hop is not fused with anything but the black experience, please speak what you know and not what you think sounds reasonable for making your arguement stick.

AA's are also responsible for what they call blues music, R and B which is "Rythm and Blues", "Gospel" music, "Jazz", "Funk" "Disco" and many other original AA music, not fused music. AA's did not borrow or fuse their music style with any other sound but the black Americans original sound. If you pay attention, Asians, Hispanics and Whites are imitating AA style of music, in fact, like idiots, AA's are teaching it to them.  I mite add, the dance style as well as the music is straight up African but of an african who has expereinced what AA's have.

Now Fela, he did fuse Original African Nigerian sound with original AA Jazz, if fuse is what you want to call it. In fact, when Fela went to Europe to go to school, he studied AA Jazz by choice and if you listen to his music, you will here a fusion of AA Jazz and funk combined with the original Funky sounds of Nigerian music. 
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #828 on: December 03, 2006, 11:43 PM »

@Donzman



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Are you kidding?, The French,English, Dutch,Spanish, Italians and co. have been killing themselves since the beginning of time. Fighting with neighbours is not unique to Africa, hello!

I know about that type of fighting but I am talking about unnecessary quarreling to the point of no development at all and still to this day, we are still stuck in the same place with advancement that could have been far more advanced.


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You're missing the point, the point is that African Americans as a people did not exist prior to European colonization.

They did exist, they have just been renamed by whitey because of where they were born and because of whiteys need to separate and distinguish one pet, from another pet. For instance C/A are the apes and AA people are the misplaced baboons. Any way, had the mixed up  Africans stayed in Africa, they would not have had the American part attached to their new pet name and title

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I like to see my comments and intelligent and full of power which makes them difficult to refute.

Then stop posting rubbish
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #829 on: December 03, 2006, 11:44 PM »

Do I need to dissect hip hop music, clothing, language and etcetera. Which of those things are original to the blacks?, jean, T-shirts, pianos, recording studio, ebonics, where is this originality? Changing an already existing idea is not "original". Everything involved in hip-hop, jazz, blues, R&B and co. are not new. They are derived from already existing art forms so save me the lecture. There is nothing original in AA culture (entirely new), try again, modifying an idea isn't original.

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They did exist, they have just been renamed by whitey because of where they were born and because of whiteys need to separate and distinguish one pet, from another pet. For instance C/A are the apes and AA people are the misplaced baboons. Any way, had the mixed up  Africans stayed in Africa, they would not have had the American part attached to their new pet name and title

Where did these people called African Americans live prior to the European colonization? I'll like to know. D'oh, don't you get the point yet?
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #830 on: December 04, 2006, 12:15 AM »

@Donzman


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Do I need to dissect hip hop music, clothing, language and etcetera. Which of those things are original to the blacks?, jean, T-shirts, pianos, recording studio, ebonics, where is this originality? Changing an already existing idea is not "original". Everything involved in hip-hop, jazz, blues, R&B and co. are not new. They are derived from already existing art forms so save me the lecture. There is nothing original in AA culture (entirely new), try again, modifying an idea isn't original.

I get tired of going back and forth with you and accomplishing nothing but useless arguments, so this will be the last post for today at least, that I post on this subject matter to you.

The clothing is not original, AA people who make clothes, they did borrow those ideas on the clothing but we are talking about the music not the clothing. What C/A do you see these days who are wearing traditional garbs every day? hardly any. Wearing European clothes does not make them their self not original Africans who are tribal. The musical instruments AA use to create their unique musical sound, yes, the instruments are borrowed but the sounds that AA people produce from those instruments music belongs to them and that sound is indigenous to them. Most of African musicians are playing their newly invented sounds with European instruments but are you going to say that their music is not original because they borrowed the instruments? Anyway, most of the European instruments have an original prototype in Africa and that is why Africans can play the European instruments better than Europeans because in fact they were already playing the original prototype in Africa.

In fact, if you look up slavery and compare the years of slavery to the years the European instruments were invented, you might see something very interesting. Keep in mind, many of the inventions during slavery were invented by African slaves who invented things to make their jobs easier. White man put his stamp on it and called it his invention sense the African slave belonged to him. However, some of the so called good slave owners allowed their slaves to take the credit for inventions they made. However that credit did not come in the form of dividends but in the form of recognition and that is why today, some of the inventions Africans made went into the books as inventions by them and not by their master. 


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Where did these people called African Americans live prior to the European colonization? I'll like to know. D'oh, don't you get the point yet?

I have three Yuroba cousins their mother, my aunt is AA and their father is Yuroba, they speak Yuroba and know how to cook Yuroba foods, only thing is, they were born in America, does that make them not indigenous? What about all the C/A's who been living in the states for so long that their children were born there, are their children now indigenous to America because they were born here as a result of colonization?  Don't say them being born here is not a result of colonization because if Europeans never came to Africa, their would never be an America and you wouldn't have ever heard of Africans trying to get out of Africa to go and live in foreign lands. Even if you say they are not here as a result of colonization, that still does not negate the fact that they are indigenous to a place in Africa.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #831 on: December 04, 2006, 12:51 AM »

You're clogging up my argument. When I say AA's, I'm referring to the descendants of former slaves and not African immigrants. That already negates your final paragraph which I didn't bother to read past the first couple of lines.

What is it that makes hip-hop "original"?, It is not new, it is just a fusion of past cultures/ideas.
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