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GNature (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #832 on: December 04, 2006, 01:10 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 03, 2006, 11:44 PM
There is nothing original in AA culture (entirely new), modifying an idea isn't original.

Donzman, please try and be sensitive to other people's culture. Even if what you are saying is true
(which I doubt), you shouldn't make blanket statements like this. Haba
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #833 on: December 04, 2006, 01:32 AM »

Yeah GNature, you're right. I'm sorry AA's, I was just trying to make a point that AA culture is a fusion of several ones.
delf747 (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #834 on: December 04, 2006, 01:59 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 03, 2006, 11:18 PM
Are you kidding?, The French,English, Dutch,Spanish, Italians and co. have been killing themselves since the beginning of time. Fighting with neighbours is not unique to Africa, hello!

This is certainly very true. Below is a list of the biggest wars in Europe starting from 500 BC. There are countless minor wars not included. The list for Africa was so small I didn't include it (many of the wars seemed to involve Europeans in one way or another), but you can see it at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Africa

500–449 BC Greco-Persian Wars
431–404 BC Peloponnesian War
395–387 BC Corinthian War
390–387 BC Celtic invasion of Rome
371 BC Battle of Leuctra
362 BC Battle of Mantinea
343–341 BC First Samnite War
334–323 BC Wars of Alexander the Great
327–304 BC Second Samnite War
323–280 BC Wars of the Diadochi
298–290 BC Third Samnite War
264–241 BC First Punic War
240-238 BC Mercenary War
218–202 BC Second Punic War
215–205 BC First Macedonian War
200–196 BC Second Macedonian War
171–168 BC Third Macedonian War
149–146 BC Third Punic War
146  BC Battle of Corinth
136–71   BC Roman Servile Wars
136–132 BC First Servile War
104–100 BC Second Servile War
73–71 BC Third Servile War
1066 Norman conquest of England
1337–1453 Hundred Years' War
1455–1485 Wars of the Roses
1496–1499 Russo–Swedish War of 1496–1499
1522–1559 Habsburg-Valois Wars
1554–1557 Russo–Swedish War of 1554–1557
1558–1583 Livonian War
1568–1648 Eighty Years' War
1590–1595 Russo–Swedish War of 1590–1595
1594–1603 Nine Years' War (Ireland)
1610–1617 Ingrian War
1618–1648 Thirty Years' War
1641–1649 Wars of Castro
1641–1653 Irish Confederate Wars
1642–1651 English Civil War
1644–1650 Scottish Civil War
1656–1658 Russo–Swedish War of 1656–1658
1667–1668 War of Devolution
1667–1683 Great Turkish War
1688–1691 Williamite War in Ireland
1700–1721 Great Northern War
1701–1713 War of the Spanish Succession
1733–1738 War of the Polish Succession
1739–1740 War of Jenkins' Ear
1740–1748 War of the Austrian Succession
1741–1743 Russo–Swedish War of 1741–1743
1756–1763 Seven Years' War
1788–1790 Russo–Swedish War of 1788–1790
1789–1799 French Revolution
1798 Irish Rebellion of 1798
1792–1815 Napoleonic Wars
1808–1809 Finnish War
1848–1866 Italian Independence wars
1848–1849 First Italian Independence War
1859 Second Italian Independence War
1866 Third Italian Independence War
1854–1856 Crimean War
1866–1866 Austro-Prussian War
1870–1871 Franco-Prussian War
1877–1878 Russo–Turkish War
1893–1896 Cod War of 1893
1897 First Greco–Turkish War
1912–1913 Balkan Wars
1914–1918 World War I
1916 Easter Rising
1917–1920 Estonian Liberation War
1918–1919 Czechoslovakia-Hungary War
1918 Finnish Civil War
1918–1920 Russian Civil War
1919–1921 Irish War of Independence
1922–1923 Irish Civil War
1936–1939 Spanish Civil War
1939-1940 Winter War
1939–1945 World War II
1958 First Cod War
1972–1973 Second Cod War
1974 Turkish Invasion of Cyprus
1975–1976 Third Cod War
1994–1996 First Chechen War
1991 War in Slovenia
1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence
1992–1995 War in Bosnia and Herzegovina
1996–1999 Kosovo War
1999–present Second Chechen War
2001 Conflict in Macedonia
2001 Conflict in Southern Serbia
lewa (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #835 on: December 04, 2006, 06:30 AM »

Really illuminating so far!Want to see the conclusion of the topic would go!Anyways  c'mon let's go!
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #836 on: December 04, 2006, 07:15 AM »

@Donzman


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I'm referring to the descendants of former slaves and not African immigrants. That already negates your final paragraph which I didn't bother to read past the first couple of lines.

AA would not be in America had their Ancestors not been forced to immigrate. C/A's who are now legal residents and have given birth to their children in America and have been in America for some years now, would not be here had they not willingly immigrated. Their children would not have been born here had they not willingly let their children be born here. Still, the children they had are indigenous to a place in Africa or just Africa period.  Only difference between AA and C/A in this case is one came by force and one came willingly.

White people are not indigenous to America, Native Americans are the only ones who are indigenous to America. White people stole America from the Native Americans. Everyone in America accept the Mexicans are immigrants.

If several thousands of Asians, Malaysian, Chinese and Cantonese was stolen off the continent of Asia and brought to Africa to become slaves and 300 hundred years have passed, now they are mixed Malaysian, Chinese and Cantonese and they still live in Nigeria, would you then say they are not original Asians? Would you then say they are not originally indigenous to a place in Asia? 

I can already imagine what you are going to say about the Asian question. Undecided

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What is it that makes hip-hop "original"?, It is not new, it is just a fusion of past cultures/ideas.

Fusion of what past cultures and Ideas? Sense you know so much, you should have already covered that question instead of giving your vague, know it all response.
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #837 on: December 04, 2006, 07:20 AM »

@Delf747

I thought I made my self clear already that I am aware of the European wars and how they have fought against each other. Donzman was talking about quarreling was not and original African thing. I told him that AA people have tribes in which they also quarrel with neighboring AA's. I was telling him in fact that the apple does not fall far from the tree. African was and European was are not the same was my point.

Any way, if you care, you can go at lest one page back to see how we  got on the subject of European wars.

On behalf of Donzman, there was no legit reason for him to bring up European wars. He just did that because I posed something to him that he could not find a tricky way to come out of with his head held up  high as someone who knows what he was talking about. His way to run from that challenge was to detour the discussion by bringing up European war. He does that all the time and he is not that clever at it.
delf747 (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #838 on: December 04, 2006, 03:42 PM »

Quote from: Sista on December 04, 2006, 12:15 AM
@Donzman
I know about that type of fighting but I am talking about unnecessary quarreling to the point of no development at all and still to this day, we are still stuck in the same place with advancement that could have been far more advanced.

Sista,

OK I went back and saw your discussion.

So you are saying that quarrelling between Africans has hindered development drastically.

Can you give an example of this quarrelling?



Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #839 on: December 04, 2006, 04:47 PM »

@Delf747


Nigeria is now one of the major fossil fuel producers on the planet. Yet for all the billions of dollars slipping into the coffers of the local government elite and out of the country into those of major companies, about 65 per cent of Nigerians still don't have access to safe drinking water. Poverty is getting worse, with about 66 per cent of people living on less than US$1 per day (this figure has grown from 43 per cent in 1985).

According to the World Bank, economic mismanagement, corruption and excessive dependence on oil have been the main reasons for poor economic performance and rising poverty.



http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=5141


Why is there so much corruption in Nigeria? When I hear about the Nigerians unnecessary quarreling about who is from what tribal group like the Hausa, Fulani, Yuroba, Igbo etc.; I can imagine that with all that nonsense taking place, who is there, within their right mind that can go and stand up to the government? If the government is being predominately ran by one of those groups, it is going to be a problem for all the other groups, at least that is what I can imagine. With all that oil in Nigeria- Nigeria by now should have been able to develop on it's own. In fact, someone should have had sense enough to already make a way to provide Nigeria with it's own tankers and refining systems instead of using the tankers supplied by the outsiders who need the oil. That way Nigeria could have the full control of their oil.

The fighting that is going on in Darfur, let's not talk about that because that is not even unnecessary quarreling, that is some type of insane, don't have nothing to lose stuff. Don't get me wrong, I am not blaming Africans for that war but I am just saying, when will it all end? The colonialist haven't contributed to peace at all, they have only made problems worse and that is because they know what Africans are capable of, in terms of each other. They know how the majority of Africans are quick to see each other as the enemy. Not being able to see the forest for the trees. White people don't go around studying humans (particularly black people)like they are primates for nothing. They are very familiar with the psychology of African people and they use it to their advantage. People are to busy thinking that America has nothing to do with Europe. I bring that up because some where down the line, America is going to get involved with Darfur and America is ran by the relatives of Europeans, those same Europeans who colonized Africa and those same Europeans who split up Africans giving them names which would separate one group from the other. 
anton (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection (Which is not limited to only Drusilla)
« #840 on: December 05, 2006, 01:17 AM »

Good talk, folks!  Wish I had Time to join in!   (^_^)

Keep it clean and remember:  Africa Unite!!!

Now is the time to M.ake O.ur D.estiny!!!
gbade. x (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #841 on: December 05, 2006, 05:18 PM »

<finally!> finished reading this thread. . .!
superman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #842 on: December 05, 2006, 11:02 PM »

anton

but joinin in with AK47 u got on ur profile is the last thing africa nigeria need now. abeg hang the guns up for good
toshmann (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #843 on: December 06, 2006, 01:00 AM »

@gbade,
even me that started the thread could not read 'em all.
delf747 (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #844 on: December 06, 2006, 10:37 PM »

Quote from: Sista on December 04, 2006, 04:47 PM
@Delf747
Nigeria is now one of the major fossil fuel producers on the planet. Yet for all the billions of dollars slipping into the coffers of the local government elite and out of the country into those of major companies, about 65 per cent of Nigerians still don't have access to safe drinking water. Poverty is getting worse, with about 66 per cent of people living on less than US$1 per day (this figure has grown from 43 per cent in 1985).

According to the World Bank, economic mismanagement, corruption and excessive dependence on oil have been the main reasons for poor economic performance and rising poverty.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=5141

Sista,

This is a good example but I would just point out that this article was written by Cam Walker - a Liason Officer for Friends of the Earth Australia.

They have their own political agenda which I don't entirely disagree with even though I consider it unrealistic. Like many white Western journalists he's writing for his own people (Australians) and using the sufferings of poor African people to tug on their liberal heart strings.

At this point maybe we should consider whether the suffering of the many justifies the long term economic goals of a developing nation?

Does the ends (African economic power) justify the means?
 
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #845 on: December 06, 2006, 10:47 PM »

@Delf747


I don't know what that guys political Agenda is, however, he is telling the truth. What he is presently saying, can be compared to the colonization history of Whites in Nigeria. So, it is not like he is forgetting to mention the middle passage to conveniently support his views for whatever reason.


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Does the ends (African economic power) justify the means?

You lost me here, what exactly is the means?
delf747 (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #846 on: December 06, 2006, 11:20 PM »

Quote from: Sista on December 06, 2006, 10:47 PM
@Delf747
I don't know what that guys political Agenda is, however, he is telling the truth. What he is presently saying, can be compared to the colonization history of Whites in Nigeria. So, it is not like he is forgetting to mention the middle passage to conveniently support his views for whatever reason.

Sista,

But in a wider context he is a white Australian so what the h*ll is he doing going to Africa when he should be evaluating the status of Aborigines in his 'own' country?

To be honest this kind of journalism is hypocritical and it can be seen as a reinforcement of a white liberal power structure in Australian society. He is only desiring - like so many white liberals do in the West - their own political preferences in place of the current republican/democratic/conservative ones. He is using his experience in Nigeria as a leverage to obtain this and conveniently ignoring Aborigines (Black people) in his own country. After all white Australians will want to sublimate their aggression against Aborigines into empathy with the suffering of Nigerians and so project the whole issue out of their continent ("look how them poor black people are suffering in Africa - I'm not a racist of course"). Remember that enviromental concerns amongst whites are inevitably linked to race.

The CIA World Fact Book puts the current GDP per capita for Nigeria at over $3.80 per day. This is only a mean average but it is significantly different from the figures quoted by Walker (which I believe he obtained from the Library of Congress).

Quote from: Sista on December 06, 2006, 10:47 PM
@Delf747
You lost me here, what exactly is the means?
 

The means is the majority of people going without until such a point has arrived where political and economic reform has reached a kind of critical mass and everyone in the nation begins to benefit, ie, everyone gets pulled up into a higher standard of living. It's like sacrificing the present for the future. It's basically putting your faith in capitalism.
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #847 on: December 07, 2006, 05:02 AM »

@Delf747


Quote
But in a wider context he is a white Australian so what the h*ll is he doing going to Africa when he should be evaluating the status of Aborigines in his 'own' country?

You have a point there, no doubt. This man, although he is telling the truth he must have an ulterior motive if he is not saying these same things for the Australians. However, at the same time, I have not researched this man so I wouldn't even know if he is also speaking up for his country, let alone speaking up for many other country's who suffer the same issues of poverty and so forth.

paddy_lo (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #848 on: December 30, 2006, 11:21 AM »

@Drusilla,Sista
I ride with you girls,for real and by the way i am igbo from Nigeria,now residing in America,i think Donzman is suffering from a serious case of inferiority complex. . i would suggest he moves to russia and get a taste of racism. How do you explain the fact that people hate you for the color of your skin,u can only understand if u experience it.
I believe that African Americans are the conscience of America,are the reason this is the greatest nation on earth,and as far as i am concerned they are the reason we africans and other immigrants(non-white),find it easier when we get here.we just blend in. .no need to carry special identification passports as would be the case if there was no indeginous black population.African americans make this country tick,without which it would be just another germany,or australia(no thank you. .)
I have to say i do not agree 100% with dru or sistabut they are 95% right in most arguements.
Black people are beautiful,white people are beautiful. . but white people have done a lot of harm whenever they came in contact with black people(south africa,colonialism,slavery in america,jim crow laws and so on. . .),does this make them more evil?,the jury is outbut if an african american chooses to believe that,then me as a Nigerian has no right to question that beliefits just as stupid as me asking a south african why he thinks white people control the economy or even worse an African American coming to Nigeria to question my mum on why she thinks yoruba people can't be trusted.(by the way i don't think so, just my folks)
Personally i do not understand the mentality that would make someone enslave another human being,most people that come on here and talk rubbish have not asked themselves that questionwhat would make u as a human being enslave another human being for upwards of 250yrs? the human you enslave gives birth and the child is a slave too and is able to be sold for moneyis this evil? the jury is out
Hitler gassed 6Million human beings,lined them up like sheep and gassed them,afterwards he burnt their body to ashes,why? well they were not white enoughagain is this evil?the jury is out
All i have to say is i try to treat people as individuals,i have very good white friends,and lovers,and very good black friends and loverspersonally i don't believe that evil can manifest in a race or color,but its just my opinion.
As for the AA vs Africans beef,i say sheet your swords,young Nigerians are inspired by and look up to african American culture and music,while most young and old African Americans i meet,dream about visiting the motherland someday. .
Once again though,i ride with you drusilla,and sistayou are strong and proud and you are African American
am out. .critics are welcome.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #849 on: December 30, 2006, 12:36 PM »

Paddy_Lo,

Thank you.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #850 on: December 30, 2006, 08:47 PM »

@Paddy_lo

Have I ever said that slavery was right?. . .  Undecided
paddy_lo (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #851 on: December 30, 2006, 09:48 PM »

@Donzman
The key word here is empathyyou have to put yourself in the shoes of someone llike sista to understand where she is coming from.growing up i always heard stories from my mum and dad that yorubas cannot be trusted,now this i believe is due to the many things that happened during the civil war where the yorubas where supposed to seccede but instead remained and connived with the hausas to deal with the igbos(again i think this is where it began).
Now you are igbo(correct me if i am wrong),now imagine,yoruba people coming to igboland,(imo,abia,anambra,enugu,ebonyi),kidnapping the men and women and children,taking them to lagos and other yoruba states to be slaves for upwards of 250yrs,then imagine how the relationship between the igbos and yorubas will be todayif u have some sense of fairness u will understand where i am coming from,most igbos cannot forgive the yorubas for the little transgression they were supposed to have committed,but are so eager to jump in here and pull down sista and drucome on enough of the bullshit.

@Drusilla
you are welcome,unlike most i do not conform,and i do have a mind of my own.cheers.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #852 on: December 30, 2006, 09:50 PM »

@paddy_lo

What are you talking about?. . .Nobody here was enslaved and neither was anyboy's parents still living so I don't get it. For all I know, my greatgreand uncle was sold into slavery too. Slavery is in the past bro., you need to realize that. Nobody who is living now experienced it so all this talk makes no sense.
toshmann (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #853 on: December 30, 2006, 10:00 PM »

but donzman slavery is not entirely past. and even if it is, the scars are still there. i think i'll agree with paddy-lo to some extent (70%). sometimes i feel the pain of african americans. Cry

however i still do believe they can do better Sad
paddy_lo (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #854 on: December 30, 2006, 10:05 PM »

@Donzman
If slavery is in the past as you put it,it means you are trying to say there was no economic benefit to the slave dealers. .
again i refer u to this link http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11/27/blair.slavery/index.html
o.k if you accept that the benefits went entirely to build up europe and the US,what are those countries doing to compensate their citizens,who are offspring of this trade and were victims of the harshest form of exclusion and mistreatment by a modern state to its own citizens?
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #855 on: December 30, 2006, 10:10 PM »

Quote from: paddy_lo on December 30, 2006, 10:05 PM
@Donzman
If slavery is in the past as you put it,it means you are trying to say there was no economic benefit to the slave dealers. .
again i refer u to this link http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11/27/blair.slavery/index.html
o.k if you accept that the benefits went entirely to build up europe and the US,what are those countries doing to compensate their citizens,who are offspring of this trade and were victims of the harshest form of exclusion and mistreatment by a modern state to its own citizens?


Again I'm asking you. . . Where does this reparation start?. . . A good proportion of AAs have European blood in them to some degree, where are you going to start?. . . Are they going to reparate Brazilians too? What about Jamaicans?
Sista (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #856 on: December 30, 2006, 10:10 PM »

@Donzman


Donzman, if history shows that for three hundred years your ancestors were enslaved, no matter how much you try to sugar coat that fact, it is going to take more than three hundred years to wash away the affects that 300 years of slavery has taken on the people who descend from those slaves. It is going to take a long time more so to wash away the effects especially due to the directness on behalf of white people who work to keep black people down. I told you this before, if you hurt my family, you hurt me. I don't care if you killed my ancestors and you didn't kill me. When you rape, murder, steal and destroy the history and ancestry of my people, you have done the same thing to me. I won't be forgiving those people who benefit from the hardship of my people so they do not have to apologize for what took place in the past. Also, an apology won't do because after they apologize, they will still have America which they gained from exploiting my people and killing off the natives, they will still have all of the riches they required from the exploitation of my people. I believe in an eye for an eye. I want their asses bankrupt with nothing to show for anything. They deserve to be in the poor house, all of the money and economical prosperity they have is due to the blood, sweat and death of my people. All that white people acquired was acquired dishonestly. Now, I live to see them living good while my people suffered and my people of today are lost.

@Paddy_Lo 


Thank you for your understanding.  Wink



@Topic

Geez, I didn't know this topic was back on with discussion, is any one else not receiving their notifications from Nairaland for the new postings that come in? I haven't been receiving mines for a long time.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #857 on: December 30, 2006, 10:19 PM »

You have to be realistic here folks. Reparation might as well be the right thing to do but how practical is it? Huh. . . If only 1 of our parents is black, does that entitle you to any reparations?
mamaput (f)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #858 on: December 30, 2006, 10:21 PM »

one drop of black blood makes you black, by the white mans law meaning that even my great grand kids(even if all marry only white) will get their share.
You cannot suddenly change a law
paddy_lo (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #859 on: December 30, 2006, 10:34 PM »

@Sista
Of course they refuse to apologize,because an apology implies liability under the law. . do you understand now. .they know what they are doing. .i can't apologize,because if i apologize it means i am guilty and then it means i am liable for the pain and suffering caused. .
for Donzman all i have to tell you is that you should go to a white person in canada,abduct her,rape her for maybe 3yrs nonstop and then set her free,when you are done,then see if she does not come back to pick you up with cops,when you are arrested please know that you are liable for her pain and suffering monetarilly and also morally obliged to tender an apologyif you cannot understand this simple analogy,then you are quite lost. .feel free to be buried in canada when you die.
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #860 on: December 30, 2006, 10:36 PM »

lol@ mamput

She wants a share of the loot too,  Grin
paddy_lo (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #861 on: December 30, 2006, 10:37 PM »

@sista
you are welcome
superman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #862 on: December 30, 2006, 10:44 PM »

one drop of white blood makes u evil! dnt yall think!

god bless white

gpd bless black
Donzman (m)
Re: Drusilla's Imperfection
« #863 on: December 30, 2006, 10:49 PM »

Quote from: superman on December 30, 2006, 10:44 PM
one drop of white blood makes u evil! dnt yall think!

god bless white

gpd bless black

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