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@ post- Don't know your religious affliation but Christianity and Islam are mutually exclusive seeing Islam is built on foundations that TOTALLY reject the anchor of the Christian faith. Don't be deluded by all this Interfaith stuff. Speak with those in the know to confirm for yourself.
[1] Islam says Jesus was a prophet not God's son. That God CANNOT and DOES NOT beget. There goes out the window the biblical promise that we are God's sons by faith through Christ. That negates what the bible says in John1:12 namely , to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.
[2]Islam says Christ didn't die on the cross not was taken alive into heaven. This means no resurrection nor forgiveness of sin. Check 1Corinthians15:12-19
[3]Islam says the koran is the highest revelation of God to mankind. This totally runs against the grain of the New Testament teachings and writings which point out Christ as THE ONLY WAY to God seeing He fulfilled the Messianic prophesies. See Galatians 1:6-9
Lastly, as Paul wrote in 2Thessalonians2:3, 'Let no man decieve you, for as Christ said in John7:17-If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. I rest my keyboard.
thumps up!  @david, if you can point to one single fast ordained by God in the bible , i promise to fast with u. Am waiting. What an ignoramus who doesn't know his bible. Show us we are waiting
for starters, christians(true christians) do not have a time table for fasting, so lenten is just a religious show that has nothing to do with God or Christ, but christian do fast, Jesus said in Matthew 6:16 "moreover, when ye fast . . . . ., " KJV , it did not say if u fast but when u fast. the implication of that statement is that u have to fast but it is when the need arises not just a religious show as some christians and all muslims do. such circumstances can be like the one Jesus described in Matthew 17:21 "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting" KJV hope, my little explanation helped your confused soul  |
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aishaah (f)
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babaearly,u beta watch your tongue,as a muslim,i take time to carry research on christianity and i dont say things i know not abt your religion,point of correction ALLAHU ASSAWAJALA is not an idol,pls be mindful of what u say abt islam,if u dont knw pls carry out research.
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na2day? (m)
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babaearly,u beta watch your tongue,as a muslim,i take time to carry research on christianity and i dont say things i know not abt your religion,point of correction ALLAHU ASSAWAJALA is not an idol,pls be mindful of what u say abt islam,if u dont knw pls carry out research.
why u dey vex? if u too do research u go find out say the original allah b4 Mohamed was born is an idol god in the old arabia |
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fellis
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@na2day,
So from the entire Bible, the only part which you could quote to support your claim that christians have been told fast is a verse (Matthew 6:16) that only tells christians that they should not imitate the hypocrites?
That verse does not make fasting obligatory on christians at all. It so doesn't do that. If Jesus Christ prescribed fasting for you then why is there not one single verse that records him clearly doing so? Why does it have to be inferred?
And no. Matthew 17:21 does not show what circumstances demand fasting because that verse is not even original. It was assimilated from Mark 9:29 and it is absent from the Bible translations which were based upon the earliest manuscripts.
And lastly, stop calling people names. Turn the other cheek for crying out loud. When muslims offend you, you don't respond in like manner. You turn the other cheek.
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na2day? (m)
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@na2day,
So from the entire Bible, the only part which you could quote to support your claim that christians have been told fast is a verse (Matthew 6:16) that only tells christians that they should not imitate the hypocrites?
That verse does not make fasting obligatory on christians at all. It so doesn't do that. If Jesus Christ prescribed fasting for you then why is there not one single verse that records him clearly doing so? Why does it have to be inferred?
And no. Matthew 17:21 does not show what circumstances demand fasting because that verse is not even original. It was assimilated from Mark 9:29 and it is absent from the Bible translations which were based upon the earliest manuscripts.
And lastly, stop calling people names. Turn the other cheek for crying out loud. When muslims offend you, you don't respond in like manner. You turn the other cheek.
i strongly hope that comprehending the english language is not a problem for u  |
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davidylan (m)
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@na2day,
So from the entire Bible, the only part which you could quote to support your claim that christians have been told fast is a verse (Matthew 6:16) that only tells christians that they should not imitate the hypocrites?
That verse does not make fasting obligatory on christians at all.
Of course it doesnt and THAT IS THE HUGE DIFFERENCE. Christianity is not about obligatory rituals like allah imposes on your hypocrites but the bible ENCOURAGES fasting as a means for more spiritual renewal. Na2day was not arguing that Matthew 6 obligates fasting . . . infact he said this that you deceitfully ignored - for starters, christians(true christians) do not have a time table for fasting, so lenten is just a religious show that has nothing to do with God or Christ, but christian do fast It so doesn't do that.[/b] If Jesus Christ prescribed fasting for you then why is there not one single verse that records him clearly doing so? Why does it have to be inferred?
Matthew 4
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.You fools shld study the bible first before bleating the nonsense your imaam taught you in the mosque. And no. Matthew 17:21 does not show what circumstances demand fasting because that verse is not even original. It was assimilated from Mark 9:29 and it is absent from the Bible translations which were based upon the earliest manuscripts.
1. It is false that Matthew 17:21 is "not original" and was simply "assimilated from Mark 9:29. This is a case of 2 independent writers recording the exact same event. 2. ONLY NEWER VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE such as NIV and NASB delete Matthew 17:21 under the pretext that "older manuscripts omitted the verses". Older bible versions CARRY Matthew 17:21 so it is NOT a new insertion but a new attempt to remove it from the bible. 3. If you claim that Matthew 17:21 being "not original" delegitimises fasting then how about Mark 9:29 which simply repeats THE EXACT SAME statement made in Matthew 17:21? And lastly, stop calling people names. Turn the other cheek for crying out loud. When muslims offend you, you don't respond in like manner. You turn the other cheek.
Not always . . . Paul didnt "turn the other cheek" when Alexander and co tried to pervert the early church . . . he condemned them to satan (1 timothy 1:20). Christ did not "turn the other cheek" when the pharisees and sadducees attempted to use hypocrisy to decieve the people . . . he called them hypocrites and the sons of their father the devil (John 8:44). So sorry, you slaves of satan cannot come here DELIBERATELY denigrating the name of the Lord Jesus Christ then "preaching" to us to "turn the other cheek" . . . we will also not hesitate to call you sons of the devil and hand you over to him as appropriate. You hypocrite admonishing us to "turn the other cheek" . . . doth not your quran encourage you to kill us instead? Is anyone noting how well these muslims seem to be able to quote the same bible the quran calls corrupt? I'd be shocked if they can quote the quran that well. |
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« #70 on: September 07, 2009, 11:28 PM » |
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All i see is david brothers typing the same thing. For God sake why can't you just show us where God ask christian to fast inrstead of quoting offline, lmao . Keep parading, am waiting
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na2day? (m)
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All i see is david brothers typing the same thing. For God sake why can't you just show us where God ask christian to fast inrstead of quoting offline, lmao . Keep parading, am waiting
i see, your problem is illiteracy  |
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davidylan (m)
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All i see is david brothers typing the same thing. For God sake why can't you just show us where God ask christian to fast inrstead of quoting offline, lmao . Keep parading, am waiting
na2day has already shown a couple of verses, i provided a clear example where Christ fasted and also provided OT backing for an acceptable fast unto the Lord. You're not interested in the truth but to make noise you slave of the devil. |
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babaearly,u beta watch your tongue,as a muslim,i take time to carry research on christianity and i dont say things i know not abt your religion,point of correction ALLAHU ASSAWAJALA is not an idol,pls be mindful of what u say abt islam,if u dont knw pls carry out research.
why is every muslim "carrying out research" on christianity if it is false? you pple are beyond confused. |
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@Davidylan: « #69 on: Today at 11:16:46 PM » Of course it doesnt and THAT IS THE HUGE DIFFERENCE. Christianity is not about obligatory rituals like allah imposes on your hypocrites but the bible ENCOURAGES fasting as a means for more spiritual renewal. The only obligation, which borders on "Ritual" is the coving of body in blood, as if "dipped" in it, after you believe that the human god was tortured then hunged and did a quick and acceleratedly compressed 3 days and 3 nights, between friday just before sunset and just before or after dawn on sunday, walking out without being assisted out of the belly of the earth (topical cave), with body ache and a hunger that needed immediate quenching. These are the facts. Oh, you have to accept this, belief blindly so thats what your salvation is based upon. And david and no Christian does any research on Islam. There is something called orientalism; non Muslims researching to the point that they become scholars, except they have no "belief/faith" in it! |
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Abuzola (m)
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« #75 on: September 07, 2009, 11:54 PM » |
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Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, is this the fasting you people are obliged. Quote it lets see, you haven't provide any answer to where God ordained christian fasting.
@na2day, you are one dumb, who follows the direction of the wind, east, west, south, you have no agenda, all you do is follow follow, your brain can't reason, try and reason for once
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davidylan (m)
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@Davidylan: « #69 on: Today at 11:16:46 PM » The only obligation, which borders on "Ritual" is the coving of body in blood, as if "dipped" in it, after you believe that the human god was tortured then hunged and did a quick and acceleratedly compressed 3 days and 3 nights, between friday just before sunset and just before or after dawn on sunday, walking out without being assisted out of the belly of the earth (topical cave), with body ache and a hunger that needed immediate quenching. These are the facts. Oh, you have to accept this, belief blindly so thats what your salvation is based upon.
And david and no Christian does any research on Islam. There is something called orientalism; non Muslims researching to the point that they become scholars, except they have no "belief/faith" in it!
this is just rubbish. google the definition of "orientalism". It has nothing to do with the above. |
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davidylan (m)
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Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, is this the fasting you people are obliged. Quote it lets see, you haven't provide any answer to where God ordained christian fasting.
We already did . . . you are steadfastly determined not to see it. |
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And did you see my list of Ethiopian Christians worship and others christians and Jews bowing and prostrating like muslims? so which came first as in which group most likely copied which? Did Ethiopian Christianity precede Islam?  The Aksumite Empire or Axumite Empire (sometimes called the Kingdom of Aksum or Axum), (Ge'ez: አክሱም), was an important trading nation in northeastern Africa, growing from the proto-Aksumite period ca. 4th century BC to achieve prominence by the 1st century AD. Its ancient capital is found in northern Ethiopia. The Kingdom used the name "Ethiopia" as early as the 4th century.[2][3] It is also the alleged resting place of the Ark of the Covenant and the purported home of the Queen of Sheba. Aksum was also the first major empire to convert to Christianity.
Aksum remained a strong empire and trading power until the rise of Islam in the seventh century. However, because the Axumites had sheltered Muhammad's first followers, the Muslims never attempted to overthrow Axum as they spread across the face of Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Aksum
According to Islamic tradition, twelve male and twelve female Sahaba, the Muslims who originally converged in Mecca, sought refuge from Quraysh persecution in the Kingdom of Aksum (modern-day Ethiopia) in seventh Islamic month (Rajab) of 7 BH (614–615 CE). This act is known as the First migration to Abyssinia; Abyssinia in this incident because of the Arabic word, al-Habasha, whence "Abyssinia" is derived.
When the Meccan polytheists came to know the good treatment they had received in Ethiopia they became indignant and started to mete out more severe maltreatment and torture on the Muslims, thus Muhammad announced a second migration to Ethiopia
In 615, in a time when violence was going on against his followers, Muhammad arranged for his followers to emigrate to the Ethiopian Kingdom of Aksum and found a small colony there under the protection of the Christian Ethiopian king
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« #79 on: September 08, 2009, 04:08 AM » |
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@david, you already did what ? Thank God your people are watching and seeing you cling in the air when you have no reasonable answer to give
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davidylan (m)
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@david, you already did what ? Thank God your people are watching and seeing you cling in the air when you have no reasonable answer to give
I already answered you, na2day also answered you . . . but of course you are determined to be blind. I cant help you with your spiritual cataract. |
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Abuzola (m)
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« #81 on: September 08, 2009, 04:33 AM » |
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Hehehe. Yeah you people answered with an unrelevant answer. I again challenge you to produce a verse that God order you to fast, is simple as that instead of telling us stories. If i tell you that when you fast do not be like the hypocrite, in your senses did i command you to fast or am telling you something about fast. Still waiting for your answer dude
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na2day? (m)
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Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, is this the fasting you people are obliged. Quote it lets see, you haven't provide any answer to where God ordained christian fasting.
@na2day, you are one dumb, who follows the direction of the wind, east, west, south, you have no agenda, all you do is follow follow, your brain can't reason, try and reason for once
well considering your comments so far, i sure feel like Einstein  trying to reason with u is like talking to the kitchen table i guess that part is too hard to swallow  |
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davidylan (m)
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Hehehe. Yeah you people answered with an unrelevant answer. I again challenge you to produce a verse that God order you to fast, is simple as that instead of telling us stories. If i tell you that when you fast do not be like the hypocrite, in your senses did i command you to fast or am telling you something about fast. Still waiting for your answer dude
Who told you that God ordered anyone to fast? Every christian here has said it plainly . . . while fasting is encouraged in the bible it is NOT a rigid ritual. |
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Abuzola (m)
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« #84 on: September 08, 2009, 04:48 AM » |
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Thank you very much. Case closed
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fellis
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@davidylan, Too bad I can't insert a quote of na2day's post. He said that the implication of Matthew 6:16 was that christians have to fast. 'have to fast' means it is obligatory for them to fast, so that was what I was replying to when I said that the verse does not make fasting obligatory. And where, pray tell, does the Bible encourage fasting as a means of spiritual renewal like you said it does? Matthew 17:21 is not original. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bible_verses_not_included_in_modern_translations. And I don't mean that it was assimilated from those versions where Matthew 17:21 was not omitted. So christians don't turn the other cheek hmm? What about the Matthew 5:38 verse? Has it been nullified? |
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davidylan (m)
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@davidylan,
Too bad I can't insert a quote of na2day's post. He said that the implication of Matthew 6:16 was that christians have to fast. 'have to fast' means it is obligatory for them to fast, so that was what I was replying to when I said that the verse does not make fasting obligatory.
Yes it is obligatory on the christian to fast . . . when, where, how . . . is entirely up to you. Fasting is akin to prayer and reading the bible and is regarded as a spiritual exercise (Matthew 9:15). If God leads you to fast then pls do so . . . if you're not led to fast then enjoy your dinner. Peter went afishing, God didnt come down and flog him for not scheduling a fast. but it is clear from the example of the apostles that it is highly encouraged to fast often and in prayer. The problem is a lot of you view christianity from the stand point of islam. Because you have a rigid commandment to fast at a particular period you think everyone else must follow suit. And where, pray tell, does the Bible encourage fasting as a means of spiritual renewal like you said it does?
Acts 13:2-3
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.Read the bible and UNDERSTAND it before you come forward with your vapid "islamic" questions. This is frankly stupid. Matthew 17:21 is not included in MODERN TRANSLATIONS but is included in ALL older translations and that means its not original? If ALL translations as old as 500 yrs ago included it then where did they get it from? Their dreams? So christians don't turn the other cheek hmm? What about the Matthew 5:38 verse? Has it been nullified?
You mean verse 39. It hasnt been nullified . . . an eye for an eye would mean we kill you when you hordes of hell go on your killing rampage in the north and the middle east. No . . . turning the other cheek does not mean we sit back meekly while you denigrate the bible (while stealing its culture and history to whitewash islam of course) . . . turning the other cheek doesnt mean refusing to speak the truth when you lying denizens of hell go on your altaqiyah. By the way i'm amazed how you hypocrites spend so much time quoting the bible. Only wish you understood your quran 1/10th as well. |
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na2day? (m)
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@davidylan, Too bad I can't insert a quote of na2day's post. He said that the implication of Matthew 6:16 was that christians have to fast. 'have to fast' means it is obligatory for them to fast, so that was what I was replying to when I said that the verse does not make fasting obligatory. And where, pray tell, does the Bible encourage fasting as a means of spiritual renewal like you said it does? Matthew 17:21 is not original. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bible_verses_not_included_in_modern_translations. And I don't mean that it was assimilated from those versions where Matthew 17:21 was not omitted. So christians don't turn the other cheek hmm? What about the Matthew 5:38 verse? Has it been nullified? like i said u have got to have a better comprehension that this, i said clearly, that there is no time table for fasting but christians fast based on needs, it is not that christians must fast but when the need arises, they are encouraged to fast. there is no punishment for not fasting just like there is no law forcing obese folks to lose weight but in their own interest they should. we christians fast in various ways according to how we are led, some fast for days, some fast for hours, some fast by not just staying away from food but also their cell phone, tv etc, all they want is a period of time spent with God and God alone; there is no hard and fast rule to fasting and praying in christianity. in summary, christians while fasting generally wait upon the Lord God while u muslims generally wait upon the time. Thank you very much. Case closed
what case? u never had one. i strongly suggest u take to this wise saying from the prophet Mohamed, "The most excellent Jihad is that for the conquest of self." (Bukhari) and hopefully it means u commit suicide, save the world some headache |
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davidylan (m)
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Besides what really is a fast?
Rescheduling your meal times dont count.
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Abuzola (m)
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« #89 on: September 08, 2009, 05:20 AM » |
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@david, did ynu say fasting is obligatory ? Whats your problem, why are you retracting your words.
The best you could do is to quote Barnabas and co God instructing them to fast, yes we know, Moses also fasted likewise jesus, but who asked you christian to fast. Enough of your stories, if you can't quote a verse where jesus ask you to fast then go and sleep
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Abuzola (m)
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« #90 on: September 08, 2009, 05:22 AM » |
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How can listening to radio be obligatory when the scripture refrain from them. Haba ,must you lie
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davidylan (m)
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@david, did ynu say fasting is obligatory ? Whats your problem, why are you retracting your words.
The best you could do is to quote Barnabas and co God instructing them to fast, yes we know, Moses also fasted likewise jesus, but who asked you christian to fast. Enough of your stories, if you can't quote a verse where jesus ask you to fast then go and sleep
islam isnt like christianity . . . we dont just do stuff we dont understand because it is "commanded". We do as God leads . . . you know that's quite a huge difference there. |
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na2day? (m)
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islam isnt like christianity . . . we dont just do stuff we dont understand because it is "commanded". We do as God leads . . . you know that's quite a huge difference there.
honestly david, that dude has chosen to be stupid, no amount of explanation can save him from his ignorance, just let him be. |
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Abuzola (m)
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« #94 on: September 08, 2009, 08:33 AM » |
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@david, if thats the case then why do you blindly said fasting is obligatory, do you know what obligatory mean ?
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fellis
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@davidylan,
Do as God leads? That can not work. Anybody can come out of nowhere and decide to 'do as God leads' even when they are unsure of whether it is God or satan leading them or just their personal inclination/intuition. That is what has led to so many different sects in christianity. With the different sects claiming they are the ones in the right. There should, infact there MUST be clearly outlined laws that point out what should be done in order to avoid the confusion that there is today, anybody would know this.
And why do you do as the disciples did? Were they the ones who came to establish christianity on earth? You mentioned with the verses you quoted, that you fast for spiritual renewal because the disciples did so.
In that wikipedia link, it is stated that Matthew 17:21 is absent from the modern translations of the Bible which are based upon the EARLIEST manuscripts. As for where the other translations that have the verse come from, don't ask me. Ask the translators/compilers of the translations.
Lastly, turning the other cheek does not mean attacking back. It means overlooking. Don't change the meaning.
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