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kshow1 (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #32 on: September 12, 2009, 09:11 PM »

Oh there we go again,
Unemployment increasing at an alarming rate. 
obimind
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #33 on: September 12, 2009, 10:30 PM »

It's indeed appauling! Pls, can somebody tell me what's actually happening to our banking sector?
reindeer
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #34 on: September 12, 2009, 11:11 PM »

Appalling,apauling, apalin, applelin, na wah o! this word again??
nairaland!!!!
Cheesy

Anyways, i think the industry will be better of for it later on when confidence is restored, looks like everyone got carried away with the post consolidation success stories and the rot crept in on the industry.
I wish there was a way they can do it without bloating up the employment market, there are too many there people already.
oge4real (f)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #35 on: September 12, 2009, 11:54 PM »

Na wa o. Its like our own recession is just changing gear. God help us!
bidemi12 (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #36 on: September 13, 2009, 02:20 AM »

@ogef4real   I swear you are truly hilarious. I laughed till tears came out of my eyes. You should be a comedian. what do you mean by changing gear? I can just imagine the recession as a car in Nigeria and is actually changing gear, ol girl na yawa be that ooooooo Grin
bidemi12 (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #37 on: September 13, 2009, 03:00 AM »

@obimid    If i tell you what happened to the banking sector you go shiver and faint with disbelief. Those guys have been taking us for a ride from day one. It was the biggest ponzi scheme in the history of Nigeria. They were robbing peter to pay paul. Lets say we establish a company called ''AJANLEKOKO MANUFACTURING LTD'' or we buy controlling shares in the company. Then we approach those corrupt people in the stock exchange to look the other way. Then you also approach a bank to help you push shares. Then the final step is to advertise for people to buy your shares. You start selling and make millions. When people don buy enough and there is millions or billions in the cofers, you withdraw your investment plus profit and start cooking the books to show ficticious profits. Remember this is a limited liability company so you as a person cannot be held accountable if the company fails since the company is a living entity. 'voila you are a billionaire overnight. The same principle applies to the banking sector. The more people that bought shares initially enabled them to pay huge returns. Since they weren't producing anything and had made bad investments abroad and at home and at the same time syphoning millions into their own private pocket, cracks started showing. They could not pay investors anymore and people were not buying shares as well. That was why they were forcing every staff into marketing to try get more money. You see robbing peter to pay paul.

 
mbulela
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #38 on: September 13, 2009, 03:02 AM »

Quote from: George_D on September 12, 2009, 07:14 PM
you make me laugh. i make a statement of fact and you come here saying i'm 'regurgitating these crap phrases that half baked motivational peddlers preach'?!  
what stuff are entrepreuneurs made of? are they born in the moon? that man that formed that company where you work, is he a wizard with two brains? and you talk of having 'the heart for risks', what makes you think only a select group of people should take risks? do you know that whether you like it or not, everybody takes risks everyday unconsciously? so long as you're human and you sleep in the night and wake up in the morning, you're taking a risk that when you sleep you may or may not wake up?
i just shake my head reading your post because you're in that category of people who believe they must earn a salary for a living and if they're not working for someone (in the conventional sense of the word) then they're nobody.
well, by all means hold on to your mindset. keep living from hand to mouth while enriching that man wise enough to take risks and establish that company you're serving. i do hope you make yourself useful long enough not to be thrown out!

dude, quit talking crap.
where do you get the clue that i am an employee?
as an entrepreneur, how much are you worth?
the boys that do diligence for M & A in consulting firms and the boys on Wall street, you deluded mind tells you that they live from hand to mouth?
i repeat, entrepreneurship is not for everyone.
money is not everything.you can diligently follow a career path and make it big without the being your own boss.
there are men and women in Nigeria and the rest of the world who have made it in paid employment by deploying their skills,talent and intellect without stepping into the world of entrepreneurship.
paid employment is larger than your small world, stop being myopic for once.
i repeat, as good as entrepreneurship is, it is not the only route.it has its downsides.it is not for everyone.
try and think in a holistic manner.
bidemi12 (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #39 on: September 13, 2009, 03:11 AM »

@mbulela  True talk. Sadly not everyone can lead. Sadly followers outnumber leaders. That has always been the way of the world.
mbulela
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #40 on: September 13, 2009, 03:12 AM »

Quote from: George_D on September 12, 2009, 07:14 PM
you make me laugh. i make a statement of fact and you come here saying i'm 'regurgitating these crap phrases that half baked motivational peddlers preach'?! 
what stuff are entrepreuneurs made of? are they born in the moon? that man that formed that company where you work, is he a wizard with two brains? and you talk of having 'the heart for risks', what makes you think only a select group of people should take risks? do you know that whether you like it or not, everybody takes risks everyday unconsciously? so long as you're human and you sleep in the night and wake up in the morning, you're taking a risk that when you sleep you may or may not wake up?
i just shake my head reading your post because you're in that category of people who believe they must earn a salary for a living and if they're not working for someone (in the conventional sense of the word) then they're nobody.
well, by all means hold on to your mindset. keep living from hand to mouth while enriching that man wise enough to take risks and establish that company you're serving. i do hope you make yourself useful long enough not to be thrown out!

you give the impression that every entrepreneur is better off than their counterparts in paid employment.
just like their are persons who can not stomach the risks involved in being their own bosses, their are persons who are entrepreneurs because they do not have the discipline to work under someone else.
IGWE_USA (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #41 on: September 13, 2009, 05:26 AM »


      Terrible Sanuconomics in action, only time shall tell.
ObamaUS
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #42 on: September 13, 2009, 07:00 AM »

Cant u guys pass comments without insulting urselves?the truth is that not everybody can be entrepreneur but the question u shd also be bothered about is that WHAT IF your EMPLOYER SACKS YOU WHEN your WIFE HAS JUST DELIVERED OF TWINS?How do u cope?it does not hurt if as an employee,u put your money in some investments that brings constant source of income weekly or monthly like buying okada,danfo etc and give it to pple.you would be getting paid weekly or monthly.You are an entrepreneur  and at the same time,u are an employee with your company.Do u have to go to STAMFORD OR HARVARD to learn this common sense?

it's just safer to have more than one source of income guys, GOD BLESS U ALL
Sagamite (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #43 on: September 13, 2009, 07:48 AM »

Quote from: tomialph on September 12, 2009, 03:03 PM
WHY WAS PETERSIDE<STANBIC MD>  CASTING ASPERSIONS ON THE SACKED CEOs WHEN HE ACTED AS SANUSI's MOUTHPIECE IN LONDON? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BTW STANBIC AND THE "INSOLVENT" BANKS. THIS IS A CLEAR CASE OF A  POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK. MAY GOD FORGIVE SANUSI

Why don't you intelligently tell us how stanbic bank and the "insolvent" banks are the same.
Sagamite (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #44 on: September 13, 2009, 07:57 AM »

Quote from: PapaBrowne on September 12, 2009, 08:19 PM
Soludo came, jobs were created in tens of thousands.
Sanusi is here, jobs are been lost at an alarming rate.
We still got 5 years of this Sanusi guy. How scary!

So it is good thing if jobs are created on a dangerous foundation than if few exist on solid foundation?
burgy (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #45 on: September 13, 2009, 12:43 PM »

where else in the world do you sack people without notice, without reason, just give them letters with the caption service no longer needed, if not in nigeria, stanbic just did what they cannot try in south africa.they just sacked some very good hands with expereince because they could not meet stupid targets of getting 100 new current accounts in in month, so much about wat they say about following steps before an employee is sacked, so much for a right to defend urself, so much for foreign ownership of banks, if this is what it comes with then im better with a nigerian bank, than a foriegn on. my heartfelt sympathy to those who were sacked ( not even givena chance to resign)!
George_D (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #46 on: September 13, 2009, 01:16 PM »

Quote from: mbulela on September 13, 2009, 03:12 AM
you give the impression that every entrepreneur is better off than their counterparts in paid employment.
just like their are persons who can not stomach the risks involved in being their own bosses, their are persons who are entrepreneurs because they do not have the discipline to work under someone else.

again, you're wrong. you measure success by the amount of salary a worker takes home at the end of the month and you think, 'hey, i'm better than that roadside mechanic or that painter who collects peanuts'. but have you ever stopped to wonder why inspite of the huge salary some people get paid at the end of the month, they still end up broke? why after 15 to 20 yrs of salaried job, they always catch cold anytime they hear of downsizing? now here's why: that roadside mechanic or painter may be earning little, but he has control over his future. he may start little today but in another five years, go and check his workshop. he has expanded and has employed 2 or 3 apprentices working for him. don't be surprised to see him already planning to buy a car. somebody else in paid employment within that period will only be praying for a promotion or pay rise. what am i saying? an entrpreneur-any entrepreneur at all is better than a salary earner-even if that person earns one million naira a month.

you talk of discipline; do you know that entrepreneurs are one of the most disciplined set of people? you cannot afford to be lazy or lousy if you want to grow your business. when a salary worker is thinking of closing on time and going home, the business owner is just starting his work for the day. it takes a lot of strategising to keep a business afloat and if you're indisciplined there is just no way you can make it. so, it then goes to say that if you do not have the discipline to work under someone else, you will certainly not have the dscipline to be your own boss.
burgy (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #47 on: September 13, 2009, 01:34 PM »





@ george_D . in AS MUCH AS WHAT YOU SAY MAKES SENSE AND I AGREE WITH YOU ALMOST COMPLETELY, I THINK YOU DO NOT REALIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME PPLE WHO ARE VERY GOOD ADMINISTRATORS AND NOT MOBILIZER, THEY LET U MOBILIZE AND THEN ADMINISTER THE RESOURCES IN THE BEST WAY,  THIS DOSE NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT BEING your BOSS IS BEST, IT JUST SHOWS YOU THAT DIFFERENT PPLE HAVE DIFFERENT ABILITIES, THIS SAME GUY CAN TRY TO SET UP   BIZ AND FAIL WOEFULLY. I PERSONALLY KNW OF S/O WHO TRIED TO SET UP AT LEAST 3 BIZS AND ALL FAILED . HE TOOK UP PAID EMPLOYMENT AND DID VERY WELL FOR IMSELF, AT THE END HE RETIRED VERY COMFORTABLE. I THINK IT KNOWING WHAT your ABILITIES ARE AND HARNESSING THEM.
hormorjay
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #48 on: September 13, 2009, 01:43 PM »

Guyz, Stanbic IBTC went on retrenchment of 300 staffs u are complaining. Av u head that Wema Bank has gone beyond 500? What then can u say abt that. Banking Sector, the second biggest emloyer inn 9ja is now on mass retenchment. 9ja, which way?
Finecat (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #49 on: September 13, 2009, 02:07 PM »

Na wa o, he be like say times are rough for Nigaerian bankers o. May be this will teach them to appreciate and respect their customers instead of thinking they are the ones doing the customers a favour. Yeye people.
George_D (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #50 on: September 13, 2009, 03:31 PM »

@burgy,
i'm glad you see my point. mind you, being an entrepreneur doen't always mean you have to go it alone. everyone has his strengths and weaknesses and that is why some people go into partnerships. that way, they compliment each other.
Nn-a-Nn-a (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #51 on: September 13, 2009, 04:35 PM »

thou not easy to be your own boss but shuld be encouraged to be their own boss.

Statistics has it that in the long run say five yrs abuot 5% of the poeple trying to bether own boo succeeds.

Imaging how many school leavers + sacked force would have been employed for every 5%  that succeeds each year.

lets start thinking from there.

When I hear dat not every 1 willbe his own boss; definitely it is about the 95% that tried and failed. Which means every 1 can but only few will
bibiking1
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #52 on: September 13, 2009, 06:46 PM »

For all those seeking authentication, look no further, i was dropped also. And the letter held no reason. They just decided to lay off people.
George_D (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #53 on: September 13, 2009, 07:13 PM »

oh, brother! sorry about that. i'm sure a better way will open for you soon.
stanloski (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #54 on: September 13, 2009, 11:09 PM »

I have watched with interest the great debate on whether everyone can be thier own boss. Quite interesting indeed, my comment is as follows:

We cant all be employees, someoone has to do the employing so on that score we surely need people to be thier own boss and hence create jobs. Without creation of new businesses we would have a finite number of vacancies, Nigeria is in trouble economically because we are LOSING jobs rather than creating!

Can all of us be our own boss-YES INDEED but WILL all of us do so sadly the answer is NO. Why not? I think the reason reflects in the arguments of those who say no, they believe it takes a special 'gift' to be your own boss, they think its destiny so the meekly accept their position! But that is FAR FROM THE TRUTH! The truth is ANYBODY can LEARN to be their own boss we can CHANGE  the mindset and LEARN NEW SKILLS, we learnt skills to become employees so why cant we learn skills to become business owners? Truth is few simple changes can start one on that road but one can only make that change if one KNOWS the change is possible. You can change your future change your income change your options, ONLY IF YOU KNOW ITS POSSIBLE AND YOU WISH TO CHANGE.

Moving from employee to business owner is more of a mental change than action, lots of us dont make the mental transition so we can never take the necessary actions. Like George D said, its all about control, the big question is- who is in control, surely if the ibtc staff were in control they would be going to work on monday but guess what? they are not in control and someone else decided their fate!

Like i always say on this forum, its not HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE, ITS HOW YOU MAKE MONEY, if you dont enjoy LEVERAGE, EXPONENTIAL GROWTH AND RESIDUAL INCOME YOU WILL STRUGGLE FINANCIALLY, Employees actually have these three things mostly working AGAINST  them rather than FOR them.

So can we all be our own bosses? Yes, will we all do so? No. Some of us have to be employees. As the saying goes: its an awful job but someone has to do it. My addition to that statement is: DOES IT HAVE TO BE YOU?

There is this story of a journalist who asked an eccentric billionaire:"Sir why do you own 99 Rolls Royce cars?" The billionaire looked shocked and responded:"My dear fellow you ask the wrong question, the question is why don't YOU own 99 Rolls Royce cars?" Lets ask the right question, its not "can we all be our own boss?" its rather :" WHY CANT I BE MY OWN BOSS?" Sorry for the long post.

Much respect and admiration
bidemi12 (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #55 on: September 14, 2009, 12:43 AM »

Like i said before Not everyone can lead. followers outnumber leaders. That has always been the way of the world.


mbulela
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #56 on: September 14, 2009, 01:01 AM »

Quote from: bibiking1 on September 13, 2009, 06:46 PM
For all those seeking authentication, look no further, i was dropped also. And the letter held no reason. They just decided to lay off people.

Bros, my sincere condolences.
bibiking1
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #57 on: September 14, 2009, 05:56 AM »

Actually, i feel somewhat freer now. Thanks
MrPrsdent (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #58 on: September 14, 2009, 07:49 AM »

Quote from: stanloski on September 13, 2009, 11:09 PM
I have watched with interest the great debate on whether everyone can be thier own boss. Quite interesting indeed, my comment is as follows:

We cant all be employees, someoone has to do the employing so on that score we surely need people to be thier own boss and hence create jobs. Without creation of new businesses we would have a finite number of vacancies, Nigeria is in trouble economically because we are LOSING jobs rather than creating!

Can all of us be our own boss-YES INDEED but WILL all of us do so sadly the answer is NO. Why not? I think the reason reflects in the arguments of those who say no, they believe it takes a special 'gift' to be your own boss, they think its destiny so the meekly accept their position! But that is FAR FROM THE TRUTH! The truth is ANYBODY can LEARN to be their own boss we can CHANGE  the mindset and LEARN NEW SKILLS, we learnt skills to become employees so why cant we learn skills to become business owners? Truth is few simple changes can start one on that road but one can only make that change if one KNOWS the change is possible. You can change your future change your income change your options, ONLY IF YOU KNOW ITS POSSIBLE AND YOU WISH TO CHANGE.

Moving from employee to business owner is more of a mental change than action, lots of us dont make the mental transition so we can never take the necessary actions. Like George D said, its all about control, the big question is- who is in control, surely if the ibtc staff were in control they would be going to work on monday but guess what? they are not in control and someone else decided their fate!

Like i always say on this forum, its not HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE, ITS HOW YOU MAKE MONEY, if you dont enjoy LEVERAGE, EXPONENTIAL GROWTH AND RESIDUAL INCOME YOU WILL STRUGGLE FINANCIALLY, Employees actually have these three things mostly working AGAINST  them rather than FOR them.

So can we all be our own bosses? Yes, will we all do so? No. Some of us have to be employees. As the saying goes: its an awful job but someone has to do it. My addition to that statement is: DOES IT HAVE TO BE YOU?

There is this story of a journalist who asked an eccentric billionaire:"Sir why do you own 99 Rolls Royce cars?" The billionaire looked shocked and responded:"My dear fellow you ask the wrong question, the question is why don't YOU own 99 Rolls Royce cars?" Lets ask the right question, its not "can we all be our own boss?" its rather :" WHY CANT I BE MY OWN BOSS?" Sorry for the long post.

Much respect and admiration


WISDOM!
stanloski (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #59 on: September 14, 2009, 10:02 AM »

As to "regurgitating crap half baked motivational peddlers preach" (harsh words) The problem is that most people do not understand the purpose of motivational seminars and the like. You can get motivated all you want but you need a little thing called SKILLS for motivation to do you any good. Take and idiot and motivate him, what you now have is a motivated idiot! totally useless.

A man heading down the wrong path doesn't need motivation to continue down the wrong road, he needs EDUCATION to make him change direction! So the problem with motivation is people need the right skills first THEN  motivation works. Motivation in and of itself does not good, people must be motivated to take the right action (learn new skills etc) then motivate to APPLY  learned skills consistently. Thats my thinking.

Much respect and admiration.
AjanleKoko
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #60 on: September 14, 2009, 10:25 AM »

You guys seem to have moved away from the main topic, from Stanbic to whether one should be entrepreneural or not.

I'll address both in my post anyways. For the record, I think everyone should have an entrepreneural mindset, regardless of whether you're in paid employment or not. Mind you, I don't mean you must compulsorily have a company on the side. But basically, everyone should have multiple streams of income, whether they are actively involved or not. Have a little something that is fetching you some small coins on the side, and make sure you gradually, over time, allocate more time to it. In the early days, you might not be able to do much, but keep it in view anyhow. With time the right opportunity will present itself.

Also, everybody who is working in paid employment should approach their job the same way an entrepreneur should approach their business: with a give-and-get mindset. You must be able to quantify what you're putting into the job, and what you expect to get out of it. Don't just go to work like everybody else. Work for a reason, could be money (best reason in my view!), or could be other things like knowledge, exposure, contacts, etc. Don't be decieved into working for job satisfaction or job security. The world has since moved on from that, which is why peeps are getting fired right left and center, once the grapes go sour.

Now to the issue of Stanbic. I know for a fact that Stanbic cannot be in any financial problems in Nigeria; rather they are trying to grow their customer base, and play more aggresively in the retail market. I suspect that, being a foreign operation and not our usual Naija arrangement (Hire my friends/brothers/cousins etc), they are trying to apply lean techniques and trim down the inherited baggage from IBTC Chartered.
Nezan (m)
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #61 on: September 14, 2009, 10:58 AM »

This is getting real serious.
objective
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #62 on: September 14, 2009, 11:53 AM »

Mr AjanleKoko, i fully agree with you, like i said before no business would ask its good hands to leave for no reason, unfortunately we get overly emotive and less objective in our dear country, in life we need to strike a balance, sometime we need to make painful decisions for the greater good!
objective
Re: Stanbic-IBTC Bank On A Sacking Spree!
« #63 on: September 14, 2009, 11:55 AM »

my sympathy with those affected, this disappointment may just be your blessing!
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