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udo (m)
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u ar danmed rite!  |
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alheri (f)
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U DRESS the way u want to be ADDRESSED! Period!! if u expose your breasts and a stranger addresses them,dont be offended. its all about self respect. we all know wat is acceptable in our society.
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Jakumo (m)
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Alheri an MTV-watching Nigerian university student is bound to have entirely different opinions than a graying and boring middle-aged married couple, on the subject of just what constitutes "acceptable" dressing. Obscenity is in the eye of the beholder, and its definition will vary from one person to the next.
How broad of a jurisdiction would Nigeria's "fashion police" be given, if they were established as many would hope ? Would the "Fashionistas" stay up in the Sharia-governed north of the country to enforce fundamentalist veil-wearing edicts for women, or would the fashion police be allowed to round up offenders on university campuses and night clubs nationwide as well ?
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allonym
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ok, so if you dress like a nun, and I still address your breasts. . . what would you do?
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goodguy (m)
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This is getting more interesting than I thought. Goodguy, I'll have to pick on you again because your posts harp on the recurrent theme of linking sexual arousal with sin. Hey, snap out of it. There is nothing to be gained by burdening your conscience with such cumbersome baggage, brother man, so accept that women are sexy, and that if they are kind enough to accentuate those features that men like to see by dressing lightly, then who are we to complain ? Those young women posses the goodies, and when all is said and done, there ain't a damn thing you or I can do to stop them dressing as they please, so why not sit back and enjoy the fact that you have 20-20 vision to see and appreciate the wonders of life. I asked a simple question which I was expecting anyone to answer sensibly. I simply asked, "WWJD?" No one is perfect - Agreed. But don't u think we should strive to work towards perfection instead of justifying our sins by claiming to have 20-20 vision to see and appreciate the wonders of life. ? I know he's going to protest this whenever he next gets to read this, but goodguy set himself up so well, i cannot resist.
When a kid chooses to take candy his parents left on a table (that he can reach) even though they told him not to do it, goodguy is saying that the parents are at fault for causing the temptation (by leaving the candy in his reach). That can be easily extended to prove that God is responsible for all sin, by creating things which tempt us. So, really goodguy, if we must blame someone for causing temptation, we must blame God. After all, if he didn't create the woman and allow her to decide to wear sexy clothes, then the man wouldn't have been enticed to sin at all. If the parents left candy on the table, it could either be for 2 reasons: 1. To test the boy. 2. They don't expect him to take it at all because they trust him. I will have to partially agree with you here but not based on the way u're seeing it. God often allows the devil to tempt us, either because GOD himself wants to test us or because HE trusts that we can never fail him (like in the case of JOB). That does not mean God causes temptation. Since the devil only attacks our weak points to get to us easily, he knows that the weakest point of most men lies in women. So the devil uses a lady (who's prolly minding her business, trying to dress up attractively for a party), a woman who chooses to dress to arouse sexual desires and claiming to feel comfortable in her dressing. That's why there's this common saying that "women are instruments of the devil". However, that does not mean the devil created them or they are of the devil. God created woman to assist, (not to seduce) man. We all know the current state of the world (in the concept of immorality), so we should try to make things better and not try to justify things by saying, "afterall, we are humans, body no be wood... we met it like that and it will continue to be like that". A lady who dresses sexy definitely knows she's bound to attract lustful glances by men (so she shouldn't complain). God is not the one that allows women dress sexy. The Bible (HIS WORD) advises women to dress in a modest manner. Infact, God has given us a choice to live our lives right but he also adds that we should choose sensibly. So, I know goodguy would say we should not blame God for our sin, and since we cannot blame the person who created the temptation, goodguy in saying that would have just disagreed with himself (in the post i quoted). Of course! We can't and should never blame God for our sins. God never created temptation. Everyone has a choice to make, either to resist or not. Looking at the stories of Samson, David and Solomon, we all know what put them into trouble at the end. oh wow, i've got even more for goodguy. he's going to love this:
So, goodguy, why don't we just have everyone dress the way God originally intended for us to dress. . .
Yep - naked. Since Jesus has come and taken on "original sin" by the Grace of God, we are forgiven for those sins. As Christians, we therefore should be able to live naked amongst each other, after all, that is how we were originally designed by God. Yes! we were originally designed by God without clothes on. But note that man himself never knew he was naked until he ate the forbidden fruit and now knew what was bad and good. Then, God clothed them and then sent them away from the Garden of Eden. Man was then conscious of his nakedness. Now, it will be totally insane for a man to walk on the streets naked in this present world. So your point here, I guess, doesn't really make sense to me.  U DRESS the way u want to be ADDRESSED! Period!! if u expose your breasts and a stranger addresses them,don't be offended. its all about self respect. we all know what is acceptable in our society.
This exactly is the point I've been trying to make so far.  |
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Jakumo (m)
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Goodguy your biblical references will be meaningless to non-Christians reading your posts, so rather than concentrating on what Jesus was supposed to have said way back when he was playing center-forward for Jerusalem United, why not bring your frame of reference to the present day's realities ?
And while we are on the subject of hidden meanings, what question did you hope to convey with the cryptic initials WWJD ? Do they stand for Wild Women = Juicy Dressers ?
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goodguy (m)
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Goodguy your biblical references will be meaningless to non-Christians reading your posts, so rather than concentrating on what Jesus was supposed to have said way back when he was playing center-forward for Jerusalem United, why not bring your frame of reference to the present day's realities ? If you've read the book, "WWJD?", then you wouldn't be talking like this. Jesus came into this world over 2000 yrs ago as a human being. Now, using the phrase WWJD simply means, "if Jesus was to be living with us now.." OR "If Jesus was in your shoes.." I guess that's enough reference to present day realities. And while we are on the subject of hidden meanings, what question did you hope to convey with the cryptic initials WWJD ? Do they stand for Wild Women = Juicy Dressers ?
That aint funny. WWJD means What Would Jesus Do? |
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alheri (f)
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@jakumo. your comment to goodguy was rather immature. your own post had no "koko" in it, abi what was the "koko" of your posts apart from been mean to goodguy?
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Jakumo (m)
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Alheri the "koko", or point of my last post was to highlight the futility of drawing so heavily on biblical references in open debate with participants of multiple faiths, regardless of the subject matter, which in this thread is the plunging necklines of Nigerian women's blouses.
To me the effectiveness of Goodguy's argumentation is somewhat diluted by his reliance on copious bible quotations better suited to a church revival sermon than a discussion of exposed breasts on the internet. The "koko" of this post is that women should dress as they please, but not as amateur censors please, regardless of how many holy quotations the censors have memorized.
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allonym
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This is getting more interesting than I thought. I'm glad! I will have to partially agree with you here but not based on the way u're seeing it. God often allows the devil to tempt us, either because GOD himself wants to test us or because HE trusts that we can never fail him (like in the case of JOB). That does not mean God causes temptation. Since the devil only attacks our weak points to get to us easily, he knows that the weakest point of most men lies in women. So the devil uses a lady (who's prolly minding her business, trying to dress up attractively for a party), a woman who chooses to dress to arouse sexual desires and claiming to feel comfortable in her dressing. That's why there's this common saying that "women are instruments of the devil". However, that does not mean the devil created them or they are of the devil.
God created woman to assist, (not to seduce) man. We all know the current state of the world (in the concept of immorality), so we should try to make things better and not try to justify things by saying, "afterall, we are humans, body no be wood... we met it like that and it will continue to be like that". A lady who dresses sexy definitely knows she's bound to attract lustful glances by men (so she shouldn't complain). God is not the one that allows women dress sexy. The Bible (HIS WORD) advises women to dress in a modest manner. Infact, God has given us a choice to live our lives right but he also adds that we should choose sensibly.
I agree with all you've just said, however, just like you wouldn't blame the candy for being a source of temptation, you cannot blame a woman for a man's weakness. If someone goes crazy whenever they see the color red, its a huge imposition on others to ask them to never wear red again (in his presence). We would instead tell the guy to get some counseling or something to control himself. Like you said, we are advised to dress modestly, not commanded. Also, I don't think this is an issue about women complaining that men are staring at them. I agree with you, there are certain ways you can dress that would incur the attention of others. It doesn't mean it is insensible; unless there is a certain threat of some sexual violence whenever a woman dresses a certain way, that cannot be a reason to censor oneself. Its like someone never going out at night because more people are robbed then . . you still go out, you are just more aware of yourself and your surroundings. Of course! We can't and should never blame God for our sins. God never created temptation. Everyone has a choice to make, either to resist or not. Looking at the stories of Samson, David and Solomon, we all know what put them into trouble at the end. Yes! we were originally designed by God without clothes on. But note that man himself never knew he was naked until he ate the forbidden fruit and now knew what was bad and good. Then, God clothed them and then sent them away from the Garden of Eden. Man was then conscious of his nakedness. Now, it will be totally insane for a man to walk on the streets naked in this present world. So your point here, I guess, doesn't really make sense to me. This exactly is the point I've been trying to make so far. Well, here, I was saying that if (it just so happened) that everyone was a christian, has accepted christ, the we would all be able to return to such as state of being unconscious of nakedness. I guess that post wasn't really thought out too well and doesn't quite contribute towards our discussion the way I was thinking when i made it. |
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goodguy (m)
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I'm glad! Good for you just like you wouldn't blame the candy for being a source of temptation, you cannot blame a woman for a man's weakness. If someone goes crazy whenever they see the color red, its a huge imposition on others to ask them to never wear red again (in his presence). We would instead tell the guy to get some counseling or something to control himself. Agreed. Also, I don't think this is an issue about women complaining that men are staring at them. I was commenting on this post made by a lady on this forum: Exactly! and besides why should men be always looking at women's breast  i mean i'ts such a shame that each time a lady passes by a guy must look at her butt or her boobs that's not FAIR . |
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alheri (f)
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@jakumo. Now youre talking.At least we now know your opinion on the matter. Dont be pissed or wateva with goodguy, some people prefer to always base there opinions with reference to there faith. Its just there nature. I prefer to be logical like you though we dont agree on this topic. PEACE!!!
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goodguy (m)
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some people prefer to always base there opinions with reference to there faith. Its just there nature. Thank God someone understands. |
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gina34 (f)
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All I can say is, women be careful with you you where,you don't have to go naked for men to notice you. Any man that come for coz of what u are wearing is lusting after you . All he want from you is the test of your Honey pot.  |
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allonym
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All I can say is, women be careful with you you where,you don't have to go naked for men to notice you. Any man that come for coz of what u are wearing is lusting after you . All he want from you is the test of your Honey pot. So what things should attract someone to you. If he comes for your brains, he's just lusting after your mind, he cares nothing for the rest of you. |
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Jakumo (m)
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Gina34 can you blame a guy for his primal urge to stir the "honey pot" ? After all his actions are dictated as much by innate milena-old reproductive instinct as by the woman's dress style . Wouldn't such a horn-dog be later forgiven for being lustfull if he turned out to be a gentlemanly and considerate lover who went on to become a close friend? If his desire to be one with the honey is expressed in a polite and teasing way, isn't that just old-fashioned sexual chemistry at work ?
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snazzydawn (f)
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Guyz,better get used to it cos its here to stay.There is nothing you or anybody can do about it.
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goodguy (m)
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There's nothing anyone can do about it. Only the person concerned can/should do something about it. Why should a lady even expose her breasts in the first place? Is this also part of civilisation? |
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allonym
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well, yes and no. from an evolutionary standpoint, a woman's breast have helped attract a mate. So, technically, it has an integral role in our society.
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Jakumo (m)
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Allonym, your last post is both eloquent and elegant in its simplicity. I couldn't have worded it better myself, so I'll only add that fear of exposed breasts will never diminish their attractiveness.
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Nike450 (m)
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This thread is a typical example of Nigerian not minding their business.
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osofuye (m)
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well, i think we are now gradually moving to a free world, a world expression.
guys, remain calm, i mean----------- experince is the best teacher
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goodguy (m)
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This thread is a typical example of Nigerian not minding their business.
This is why this place is called a forum. If you think it's not your business, then u don't need to contibute at all. |
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alheri (f)
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@goodguy. Hmm,my brother i wander for her sef oh! This thread is a typical example of Nigerian not minding their business.
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Nike450 (m)
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why would you concern yourself with what other people wear, they gat their body they want t o flaunt it. What is your business if a girl decides to not cover her bossom ? is it just idleness or what ?
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Jakumo (m)
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Nike450 the reason men become agitated at the sight of a sexily dressed young woman is that such men are confused, frightened and embarrassed by the disturbance in their trousers when they see such arousing sights, and the reason some women disapprove of other women showing off their beauty and youth is simple jealousy and insecurity over their own comparative unattractiveness.
If you've got it, show it proudly for there will always be those like me who greatly appreciate your curves and profoundly enjoy viewing as much as you are willing to expose.
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gina34 (f)
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@allonym,
Is better u fall for my brains than for u to fall for my body.
Besides you won't fall for my body if I dress like *gbgada peopl.*
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PaypalGod (m)
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Most musical videos are now X-RATED. But I aint complaining  ...
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goodguy (m)
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Yeah right. Most women are now seen as sex objects. It's a free world |
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WesleyanA (f)
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Most musical videos are now X-RATED. But I aint complaining ... of course you aint complaining.. . . because you don't have kids yet who are vulnerable of getting exposed to stuff like that. Yeah right. Most women are now seen a s sex objects. It's a free world "Some" women who choose to be seen or made as sex objects not "most". |
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