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Negro_Ntns (m)
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In the East Ojukwu had grievances that were not mirrored in the West. Our problems in the West were not in tangent with the issues in the East.
Awo was a man of vision. Ojukwu was also a man of vision. Nonetheless in their individual capacities as regional leaders they shouldered different aspirations and issues. Thos aspirations and issues were not harmonious.
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Arnold1 (m)
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, and who was to say that if Awo had gone along with the plan the outcome would have been much better than what it is now?
Another brilliant submission !!! How could someone trust that greedy Ojukwu ? |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Who was to say that Ojukwu could not in turn make the same demand of the West that he made of the North ?
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sheniqua
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Nna stop am. The Hausa north will not allow an igbo man be president not because of what Ojumwu did but because they know that the end of the Nigerian project would signal their slide to extreme poverty. A look at their neighbours in Niger is a strong reminder to them why Biafra must never see the light of day.
Ojukwu was no warlord, rather he was a man who was able to see tomorrow . . . unlike the charlatans we have in power today. If Biafra had succeeded many of us would be rushing to immigrate their today.
There's an article written in 1966 that I posted earlier where Ojukwu outlined the plan of northern Nigeria especially their zeal to muslimize Nigeria. It almost sounds prophetic. All the people shouting Igbo president Igbo president. Ask yourself one simple question what has the Yoruba or Hausa presidents done for them? If an Igbo man becomes president do you think any Igbo person cares? He'll just line his pockets like any of his predecessors. Obasanjo was president for 8 years,how does Lagos look? |
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4 Him (m)
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Would you stand guard at a prisoner of war camp and exterminate Jews simply because you were part of the German Army? Is that justification for the evil? What kind of support to kill millions of souls and deprive them of their lives' work? There is NO justification for the crimes he committed, no one held a gun to his head and said he must serve in Gowon's government - he used the war to better himself and get in a position of power, he was not in the government till his volte-face after initially declaring to leave Nigeria if the igbos did.
Bros, the pilot who dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagashaki probably would not have done it if he could independently decide. As a US pilot he had no choice. There is no justification for evil and i do not absolve Awolowo for this. But in war, the end justifies the means. |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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We are like spectators on the soccer field here, wondering why Atuegbu did not pass that ball, and what was wrong with Odegbami that he did not tackle that opponent.
Moreover, when discussing the civil war you had to regress the time back into the 50's. Our problem did not start after Independence. It started before,
We should thank God and count our country lucky, look at Rwanda.
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vicade (m)
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Nna stop am. The Hausa north will not allow an igbo man be president not because of what Ojumwu did but because they know that the end of the Nigerian project would signal their slide to extreme poverty. A look at their neighbours in Niger is a strong reminder to them why Biafra must never see the light of day.
Ojukwu was no warlord, rather he was a man who was able to see tomorrow . . . unlike the charlatans we have in power today. If Biafra had succeeded many of us would be rushing to immigrate their today.
ojukwu was a selfish warlord who ran away when the heat was much and is responsible for killing all those people. Just try and read about the Aburi conference and how he violated the conditions because of Oil and his selfish desire for power. He was young and excited but his actions for biafra was wrong. Everything that followed afterwards from awo and the rest were just reactions. Yet again, there is no sentimentality in warfare. Ask the americans about their atomic bomb on japan. |
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sheniqua
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How could you predict events in retrospect of what we now know? People take lessons learnt from gret events like that and turn into strategic maneuvering to avoid future losses
at least he would have tried. Seeing what we now see in the failed concoctiuon called Nigeria,don't you think he would at least tried to be brave. That was the only chance the south had to break free and he blew it . no be one Nigeria them want? we are one in the mess. |
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Arnold1 (m)
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Bros, the pilot who dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagashaki probably would not have done it if he could independently decide. As a US pilot he had no choice.
There is no justification for evil and i do not absolve Awolowo for this. But in war, the end justifies the means.
The decisions taken were taken all in the name of war, not necessarily at the igbos. Gowon as head of state okayed using starvation as a war tool, again, I ask, why is sheniqua absolving Gowon of all the attrocities committed against igbos ? Why focus on just Awolowo and the yorubas ? Because the igbos feel they could have won if the yorubas were on their side. Don't blame Awolowo and the yorubas for Ojukwu's greediness. Ojukwu is the reason igbos went through what they did, fair and square. |
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4 Him (m)
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We should thank God and count our country lucky, look at Rwanda.
Ngwa i disagree. We should be doing better than just sitting back counting our teeth and thanking God we at least have enough to chew a small piece of meat. ojukwu was a selfish warlord who ran away when the heat was much and is responsible for killing all those people.
Just try and read about the Aburi conference and how he violated the conditions because of Oil and his selfish desire for power. He was young and excited but his actions for biafra was wrong. Everything that followed afterwards from awo and the rest were just reactions.
Infact it was Gowon who violated the Aburi accord by breaking up the regions into states in order to prevent the east from gaining full control of their resources (a clever plan the north has continued to perpetuate till today). Ojukwu was not being selfish, rather he knew a time would come such as today when a cattle rearer from Kano state would have more control over oil wells in Bayelsa than the native of Yenagoa. |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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We are accounting for events of 60s in the hands of black leaders. The problem had started way back before the White man handed us power. If we must attribute faults, we really need to start back to Lagos and Calabar. That was the beginning where white man penetrated the land.
Prior to Independence the struggle was a unified one against a common enemy. When that enemy left the momentum of our grievances and struggles did not stop, instead the force was turned inward.
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sheniqua
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We are like spectators on the soccer field here, wondering why Atuegbu did not pass that ball, and what was wrong with Odegbami that he did not tackle that opponent.
Moreover, when discussing the civil war you had to regress the time back into the 50's. Our problem did not start after Independence. It started before,
We should thank God and count our country lucky, look at Rwanda. That's what my mom said. She tells me of how they suffered and how young girls were raped by soldiers. Thank God it ended but I still wish Biafra succeded. Some people wouldn't be in America changing diapers from one nursing home to another. |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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, and it was turned inward to those that were perceived to be privileged. Well, I must ask you, where was that legacy of privilege and non-privilege coming from?
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vicade (m)
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If ojukwu believed in Biafra not for his own selfish reasons and had considered all the millions of igbos that died and starved, he should not have run away. he should have fought to the death. He should have been a Matyr. he should have fought till the end and be captured. He should have shown strength od Character. But, he ran away. He spoke eloquent english to send igbos to the warfront and ran away. If ojukwu was really trustworthy and believed in the struggle for biafra, he should have been ready to be matyred. That would have changed everything. Biafrans would have had someone to look up to. OJUKwu IS JUST a selfish joker  . Too bad allthose people had to die. |
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4 Him (m)
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Prior to Independence the struggle was a unified one against a common enemy. When that enemy left the momentum of our grievances and struggles did not stop, instead the force was turned inward.
the struggle was never unified. The north clearly didnt want independence, they only grudginly agreed after so many concessions that saw unqualified cattle rearers like Tafawa Balewa in power. |
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sheniqua
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Ngwa i disagree. We should be doing better than just sitting back counting our teeth and thanking God we at least have enough to chew a small piece of meat.
Infact it was Gowon who violated the Aburi accord by breaking up the regions into states in order to prevent the east from gaining full control of their resources (a clever plan the north has continued to perpetuate till today).
Ojukwu was not being selfish, rather he knew a time would come such as today when a cattle rearer from Kano state would have more control over oil wells in Bayelsa than the native of Yenagoa.
I ignored that the first time he said it. The north is very clever. What they lacked in intelligence they gained in wayo. They now tell us Kano and Katsina are more populated than Lagos do you see any Igbo man getting a headache over it. How many northerners do you have in Rochester? all they need to do is graduate from Kaduna poly and next day they're heading parastatals in Abuja. Ojukwu was a visionary. Time has vindicated him |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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4Him,
well there is the legacy!
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quickygirl (f)
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NOBODY CAN EVER REALY BE TRUSTED, IRESPECTIVE OF TRIBE,Colur,race, ETC  |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Where did Ojukwu school? Oxford University, England. Why should the Britons enthrone a non-educated man to lead and rule over a graduate of their prime institution?
There is an agenda. The agenda did not start at Independence.
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sheniqua
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If ojukwu believed in Biafra not for his own selfish reasons and had considered all the millions of igbos that died and starved, he should not have run away. he should have fought to the death. He should have been a Matyr. he should have fought till the end and be captured. He should have shown strength od Character. But, he ran away. He spoke eloquent english to send igbos to the warfront and ran away. If ojukwu was really trustworthy and believed in the struggle for biafra, he should have been ready to be matyred. That would have changed everything. Biafrans would have had someone to look up to. OJUKwu IS JUST a selfish joker . Too bad allthose people had to die. I said time has vindicated him. Look at you up in scotland freezing to death and eating ramen noodles when you have crude oil in "quantum".  Sterling scotland of all places, is that where them born your mama or ya papa? Stay there. I say you're enjoying the victory of Nigeria over Biafra |
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vicade (m)
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I said time has vindicated him. Look at you up in scotland freezing to death and eating ramen noodles when you have crude oil in "quantum". Sterling scotland of all places, is that where them born your mama or ya papa? Stay there. I say you're enjoying the victory of Nigeria over Biafra I will take that to be a stupid and silly joke from someone that does not know any better. |
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Arnold1 (m)
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I will take that to be a stupid and silly joke from someone that does not know any better.
lol |
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sheniqua
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I will take that to be a stupid and silly joke from someone that does not know any better.
say whatever you want to say. Call it stupid all you want scotland na ya papa's birth place? awo really did you well |
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sheniqua
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lol
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Go to everyland that was ever colonized by the British and you will see the same signature repeated all over in the way they amalgamate and federate tribes and natives into nucleus of inharmonious arrangements of power sharing.
Iraq, Canada, USA, Nigeria, Ghana, India, , how many should I mention ?
The people, with their tribes and natives, after the British departed sorted things out on their own back to where it was before the mess. That was the case with Inida and Pakistan going separate ways. Ojukwu wanted to separate and it was a laudable vision but he went about it in the wrong manner. He did not apply strategy, he used force. Why did he use force?, again an issue of legacy. It was the legacy of the colonial powers to use force to get what they want in the native lands. Ojukwu did not know any other way, after all that's what he knew to be the political solution to the grievances he had.
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sheniqua
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Where did Ojukwu school? Oxford University, England. Why should the Britons enthrone a non-educated man to lead and rule over a graduate of their prime institution?
There is an agenda. The agenda did not start at Independence.
They wanted a man they'll tell sign here and he puts his thumb print without even reading the document. na today! |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Awolowo was cautious and wanted instead of the force to go about it strategically. The two had a different approach to a common idea, even though those ideas did not carry similar levels of priority in their two different regions.
Ojukwu wanted it soon, Awo wanted to delay it.
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sheniqua
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Go to everyland that was ever colonized by the British and you will see the same signature repeated all over in the way they amalgamate and federate tribes and natives into nucleus of inharmonious arrangements of power sharing.
Iraq, Canada, USA, Nigeria, Ghana, India, , how many should I mention ?
The people, with their tribes and natives, after the British departed sorted things out on their own back to where it was before the mess. That was the case with Inida and Pakistan going separate ways. Ojukwu wanted to separate and it was a laudable vision but he went about it in the wrong manner. He did not apply strategy, he used force. Why did he use force?, again an issue of legacy. It was the legacy of the colonial powers to use force to get what they want in the native lands. Ojukwu did not know any other way, after all that's what he knew to be the political solution to the grievances he had.
This is the reason I blame Awolowo and his men again. Ojukwu was a visionary.Awo was simply looking at the present and failed woefully because he lacked vision. The little free education he gave his people afterwards was all well and good, at least he used our money to better his tribe and produce professors but in the long run, what did he really do? Absolutely nothing worth mentioning. |
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sheniqua
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Awolowo was cautious and wanted instead of the force to go about it strategically. The two had a different approach to a common idea, even though those ideas did not carry similar levels of priority in their two different regions.
Ojukwu wanted it soon, Awo wanted to delay it. Really This is a new one. was he waiting till the turn of the century? well too late now. |
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vicade (m)
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what kind of name is sheniqua self??? sounds hausa and you seem igbo and dislike yorubas scotland is where i school, the weather is fine for now and i enjoy my eba with egusi soup  and it is not good for u to joke with your parents. You should have been taught that. Who knows, you might even be a parent. or maybe not. I am a yoruba boy My ancestors have always been yorubas. igbos have always been igbos. We only became Nigerians after the british named us that. But we have to live with it and make t work as one nigeria. Our ancestors though shold have been better fighters instead of listeners. How can u vindicate ojukwu oveertime and not vindicate awo? Awo only reacted. I f awo had not done it ,someone else would have or maybe done worse |
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LadyT (f)
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Its pointless arguing its done and dusted.
It should never be forgotten and Im quite sure it will never be forgiven.
We shall never move on from the past if we dont learn from our mistakes.
We have not done that we are too busy pointing fingers while the white man laughs at us and thinks they were right to put us into slavery.
Igbos holding on to the past. Yorubas screaming innocence. Hausas just hacking people when they feel like it. When will we stop this rubbish?
we have so much wealth but we are so busy being greedy and selfish we dont give a mess about whats happening to our neighbour.
All we need is a united front to say we wont take anymore looting and robbing of our countrys money and wealth from any bastard Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa or any other tribe.
If we cant do that lets stop wasting each other times and call it a day and break up.
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~Xerxes~ (m)
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Anutha moronic thread!!!!
Yoruba people cannot be trusted?? What a heap of applesauce!!!
So who should be trusted? Hausa(Abacha and Babangida) or Igbo(Chukwumerije n Chris Uba)?
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