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vicade (m)
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Anutha moronic thread!!!!
Yoruba people cannot be trusted?? What a heap of applesauce!!!
So who should be trusted? Hausa(Abacha and Babangida) or Igbo(Chukwumerije n Chris Uba)?
This is the best thing i have read all morning. Brief,coincise and Firm |
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~Xerxes~ (m)
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This is the best thing i have read all morning.
Brief,coincise and Firm
Seriously, how can u generalise a whole race by what a single man did. By people's spastic theory, no one should visit Germany because Hitler was a sadist who killed 6 million jews. Naturally, all Germans should be bad because Hitler was German. . . . .and all Zionists should be condemned because they killed Jesus? A man is a man, a race is a race. . . . . |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Now, there is no denying that inbetween the two ends of those differences in approach there were power players who also factored into the sentiments of what was going in the military, civil service as well as the social grassroots.
The full scale war exploded prematurely, helped by reports of local massacres in the markets in the North and in the South. Fueled by those sentiments there was no holding back the guns and the mortars.
Why you all are in the heat of the moment blaming Awo and Ojukwu, and supporting those claims with reports and records. Well, do me a favor. Account for how much the foreign arms delaers gained by leadings us to collude against each other. How about the mercenaries? How much of the oil profits went into paying reparations for the war? The country was still in debt to foreign governments for arms and men supplied to the war.
We need to restrain our dissapointments in our leaders and focus it more on the foreigner that seek by design to make profit from our tragedies.
Haaving said that, where is my palmwine, Its that time, I'm off to Romance.
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Xerxes, biko nu, thank you my brother.
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sheniqua
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For the record, since many nairalanders are in the habit of seeing what they want to see my first post is and always remains my stand. My disgust for Awo is just my disgust for Awo and it's not baseless. He just happens to be a Yoruba man.I would have said same regardless of his tribe. My first post on this topic. Awolowo does not define the whole Yoruba tribe.
He was just a scum bag.
yes, a lying,2 faced murderer of little children and a scum
I hope he repented before croaking with that, I'm done with the thread. |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Sheniqua,
What's your objective? To heal or to continue your resentment for Awo?
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toyinrayo (f)
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@post
Yoruba people are not to be trusted?
& here they're talking about Uniting Africa, when tribes in Nigeria can't even unite. ,
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~Xerxes~ (m)
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For the record, since many nairalanders are in the habit of seeing what they want to see my first post is and always remains my stand.
My disgust for Awo is just my disgust for Awo and it's not baseless.
He just happens to be a Yoruba man.I would have said same regardless of his tribe.
My first post on this topic.
I see nuthing wrong in what Awolowo did. Granted, he gave his word to Ojukwu that he would back em up in their cause on BIAFRA. . . . .AND HE TURNED BACK in the last minute. The $64,000 question is . . . . .Why did he turn his back on the Igbo tribe? Well. . . . .he sensed that the Yoruba land was to be used as the battle ground that will suffer the battle of the 2 giants. . . . . After all the efforts Awolowo made to develop the western region, u expect him to give it up for Biafra? You are taking the piss, mate!!!! I would have done the same kizzack in his shoes. . . .If the Igbo wanted a republic, they should have used their own zone as the battleground, not the Yoruba land. |
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sheniqua
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I see nuthing wrong in what Awolowo did.
Granted, he gave his word to Ojukwu that he would back em up in their cause on BIAFRA. . . . .AND HE TURNED BACK in the last minute.
The $64,000 question is . . . . .Why did he turn his back on the Igbo tribe?Well. . . . .he sensed that the yoruba land was supposed to be the battle ground that will suffer the battle of the 2 giants. . . . .
After all the efforts Awolowo made to develop the western region, u expect him to give it up for Biafra? You are taking the piss, mate!!!!
I would have done the same kizzack in his shoes. . . .If the Igbo wanted a republic, they should have used their own xone as the battleground, not the Yoruba land.
You miss it bro,the plan was for Yorubas to form their own republic. He was a chicken! we've seen the development na need we say more no be me and you dey here no be" me and you" dey line up for embassies begging to get out even to Ghana |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Sheniqua, what do you envision the result of the secession would have been if it went successful ?
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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, make that "successfully"
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sheniqua
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development indeed
and what happened to Lagos afterwards?
Right under your nose and mine, it was pushed into the atlantic and Abuja was erected.
Keep hailing that visionless Awo.
The war was not fought in his land indeed.
I thought I was done with the thread
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~Xerxes~ (m)
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You miss it bro,the plan was for Yorubas to form their own republic.
He was a chicken!
we've seen the development na
need we say more
no be me and you dey here
no be" me and you" dey line up for embassies begging to get out even to Ghana
That wasn't the plan. . . . . .The plan was for Igbo people to form their own republic. It wasn't a bad idea but Awolowo changed his mind when he realised Yoruba land is going to be used to do the battle. Yes. . . . Apart from Abuja, Lagos is the most developed State in Naija. Civilisation actually started in Lagos so Awolowo had more to lose if he had agreed with Ojukwu's plans. I have been to many places in the East and i can tell u that once u leave the State capitals, other cities are as remote as the Amazon forest. You cannot compare with most States in the west. . . . .Big up to Awolowo. . . . .You need to go to OAU and UI to see his works. Nuff said!!!!!!!!! |
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sheniqua
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Sheniqua, what do you envision the result of the secession would have been if it went successful ?
who knows? who knows? But with the skills and resources we have in the south, certainly things would have been better. If Igbos built themselves up with 20 pounds and today own property all over Nigeria including northern Nigeria,there's no telling what could have happened. To bad we never could find out. |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Well, what you are saying in effect is that the Igbos would have had all that oil resources in that territory and whou be self dependent in the Region. The region would have been developed. Am I right?
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sheniqua
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That wasn't the plan. . . . . .The plan was for Igbo people to form their own republic.
It wasn't a bad idea but Awolowo changed his mind when he realised Yoruba land is going to be used to do the battle.
Yes. . . . Apart from Abuja, Lagos is the most developed State in Abuja.
Civilisation acrually started in Lagos so Awolowo had more to lose if he had agreed with Ojukwu's plans.
I have been to many places in the East and i can tell u that once u leave the State capitals, other cities are as remote as the Amazon forest.
You cannot compare with most States in the west. . . . .Big up to Awolowo. . . . .You need to go to OAU and UI to see his works.
Nuff said!!!!!!!!!
Do we live in the same Nigeria?  The same Western Nigeria where people are defecating in bushes and rivers like anywhere else in naija na that one you call development ? OAU and UI make I laugh hohohohoho hahahahaha hehehehehe that one na im be development for you? no need responding. I say make I find pictures of Lagos and tell me how it's different from Aba or Nsukka. let me find pictures of my beloved lagos sef |
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Texcee (f)
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Big up to Awolowo. . . . .You need to go to OAU and UI to see his works.
Nuff said!!!!!!!!!
University of Ibadan has produced the only nobel laureate in Nigeria. Kudos to Awolowo |
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~Xerxes~ (m)
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Compare Carter Bridge to anywhere in the East.(never mind 3rd mainland bridge). Please compare OAU(Africa's most beautiful campus) to any other University in the whole Nigeria and get back to me. The development of Lagos State was so rapid they had to slow it down for the other States in Nigeria to catch up. I have been to Imo, Anambra and Akwa-Ibom and i am not impressed with the other cities excluding the capital cities. It was so pathetic. . . . . . .many of the other cities/villages are not even motorable and i am talking 2004/05. @ Sheniqua, It's easy for u to show em appaling pictures. Paris, one of the most beautiful cities in the world have em kinda pics too. Why not show Lekki, VGC and Old Ikoyi? Why not show Victoria Island and Magodo areas in Lagos. Dont shoot yourself in the foot. . . . .no Eastern state can come close to Lagos in 1000 years. Kudos to Awolowo for making Lagos the Mecca of Nigeria. . . . . .The number of Igbo migrants in Lagos is a testament.   |
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sheniqua
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Compare Carter Bridge to anywhere in the East.(never mind 3rd mainland bridge). Please compare OAU(Africa's most beautiful campus) to any other University in the whole Nigeria and get back to me. The development of Lagos State was so rapid they had to slow it down for the other States in Nigeria to catch up. I have been to Imo, Anambra and Akwa-Ibom and i am not impressed with the other cities excluding the capital cities. It was so pathetic. . . . . . .many of the other cities/villages are not even motorable and i am talking 2004/05. @ Sheniqua, It's easy for u to show em appaling pictures. Paris, one of the most beautiful cities in the world have em kind of pics too. Why not show Lekki, VGC and Old Ikoyi? Why not show Victoria Island and Magodo areas in Lagos.Dont shoot yourself in the foot. . . . .no Eastern state can come close to Lagos in 1000 years. Kudos to Awolowo for making Lagos the Mecca of Nigeria. . . . . .The number of Igbo migrants in Lagos is a testament. and I haven't been to Lagos,Ife and Ibadan. Besides OAU campus where else in Ife is habitable? The same campus where students are defecating everywhere. na building we go chop? please tell me something. (Those places you mentioned who are the people living there and what percentage of the overpopulated smelly Lagos population?) who lives in VGC,Yorubas or the few yuppies in Nigeria from all tribes?If the capital dey so how are the other places? A city dubbed the dirtiest and one of the most dangerous cities in the world na that one you dey praise so ? |
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sheniqua
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It was so pathetic. . . . . . .many of the other cities/villages are not even motorable and i am talking 2004/05. I'm not sure you've really been around Lagos as you claim. You never see the places wey ocho passenger go carry you for shoulder cross. Or places wey people dey paddle canoe cross feces infested water to and fro My brother weep for Nigeria as a whole. That's what I'm doing. |
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debosky (m)
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are you taking the piss Jackal? Awo contributed at best a small portion to the 'development' of Lagos - all those bridges you are claiming are federal projects funded because Lagos was the seat of power - stop making false claims that hold no water. Lagos' development has been greatly driven by Federal presence and resources, remove that and Lagos may not be better than Cotonou or Lome (who says it is better anyways?  ) @ Negro the effect of secession is that people would be able to CHOOSE by themselves how they wated to live and be governed, without an overbearing North killing them or denying them use of their God given resources - the right to self determination, and the right to blame themselves for any short comings they may have. And to those thinking oil was behind the secession, NO it wasn't - that was a later development if anything, oill was just beginning to become important and the Igbos simply wanted to be able to determine their own fates without being yoked to Northern Nigeria. While no one knows what would have come of it, evidence shows that they are likely much WORSE remaining in Nigeria than being better for it - things don't work, the region is still neglected in siting Federal Projects and road repairs, they have gained little or nothing from remaining in Nigeria. |
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~Xerxes~ (m)
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@ Sheniqua,
You don't really want to go this lane with me because i would stack up facts heavy enough to sink the TITANIC.
Awolowo built that school in the 60s/70s. . . . . If the standard was maintained, it would have been the same quality as Oxford/Cambridge.
You cannot even dispute that. . . . Since Awolowo's death, the standard has stagnated which is why u have shitty hostels n buildings which were not even in the blueprint in the 1st place.
London is the dirtiest city in the whole of Europe? Why? Cos it's the MECCA of all European countries. . .Just like New York or Lagos.
How can u even begin to compare Lagos to any other State in Nigeria. . . . .I am having a laugh, one visit to Alaba Int'l market will tell u the story.
Awolowo made so much impact in the Western Region(Free Education) there's hardly any household u wont find a Uni/Poly graduate.
Can u say the same in the East/North. . . . .Many of y'all youths are into Spare parts/Electronics. Is that comparable?
Like i have said earlier, i know so much about Nigeria than anyone on this forum. . . . .don't make me open y'all can of worms.
The most edicated set of people in Nigeria are the Yorubas. . . . . Thanx to Awolowo.
While he was laying that foundation, the people in the East are prepping for Civil wars.
@Debosky,
I have given up debating with plonkers like u. . . . .Sit down n listen when aces like me are spewing facts not pieces of rubbish u heard in a pub!!!!
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sheniqua
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are you taking the piss Jackal? Awo contributed at best a small portion to the 'development' of Lagos - all those bridges you are claiming are federal projects funded because Lagos was the seat of power - stop making false claims that hold no water. Lagos' development has been greatly driven by Federal presence and resources, remove that and Lagos may not be better than Cotonou or Lome (who says it is better anyways? ) @ Negro the effect of secession is that people would be able to CHOOSE by themselves how they wated to live and be governed, without an overbearing North killing them or denying them use of their God given resources - the right to self determination, and the right to blame themselves for any short comings they may have. And to those thinking oil was behind the secession, NO it wasn't - that was a later development if anything, oill was just beginning to become important and the Igbos simply wanted to be able to determine their own fates without being yoked to Northern Nigeria. While no one knows what would have come of it, evidence shows that they are likely much WORSE remaining in Nigeria than being better for it - things don't work, the region is still neglected in siting Federal Projects and road repairs, they have gained little or nothing from remaining in Nigeria. No, awolowo personally built the bridges and also brought the inhabitants underneath. |
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4 Him (m)
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@Debosky,
I have given up debating with plonkers like u. . . . .Sit down n listen when aces like me are spewing facts not pieces of rubbish u heard in a pub!!!!
if you listened to Debo a lot more you'd probably learn a thing or two, Lagos is what it is today partly thanks to Jakande. |
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sheniqua
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@ Sheniqua,
You don't really want to go this lane with me because i would stack up facts heavy enough to sink the TITANIC.
Awolowo built that school in the 60s/70s. . . . . If the standard was maintained, it would have been the same quality as Oxford/Cambridge.
You cannot even dispute that. . . . Since Awolowo's death, the standard has stagnated which is why u have shitty hostels n buildings which were not even in the blueprint in the 1st place.
London is the dirtiest city in the whole of Europe? Why? Cos it's the MECCA of all European countries. . .Just like New York or Lagos.
How can u even begin to compare Lagos to any other State in Nigeria. . . . .I am having a laugh, one visit to Alaba Int'l market will tell u the story.
Awolowo made so much impact in the Western Region(Free Education) there's hardly any household u wont find a Uni/Poly graduate.
Can u say the same in the East/North. . . . .Many of y'all youths are into Spare parts/Electronics. Is that comparable.
Like i have said earlier, i know so juch about Nigeria than anyone on this forum. . . . .don't make me open y'all can of worms.
The most edicated set of people in Nigeria are the Yorubas. . . . . Thanx to Awolowo.
While he was laying that foundation, the people in the East are prepping for Civil wars.
@Debosky,
I have given up debating with plonkers like u. . . . .Sit down n listen when aces like me are spewing facts not pieces of rubbish u heard in a pub!!!!
let me leave you to the men for proper education. Our men are selling spare parts and yours are buying them and sweeping their sheds  Go to JAMB statistics right now, Imo state has the highest number of enrolles followed by Anambra for a few years now. check that out they're not my statistics. Go to a place like Mbaise for instance,almost every other compound has a seasoned physician and a reknowned professor. But what does that even matter How much has any yoruba professor helped an average Yoruba man what have the Igbo profs done for me as an individual? abeg talk better jo |
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sheniqua
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The most edicated set of people in Nigeria are the Yorubas. . . . . Thanx to Awolowo.
While he was laying that foundation, the people in the East are prepping for Civil wars. and the most criminals and runaways are from both places, can you explain that to me? keep celebrating what needs no celebration. |
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Arnold1 (m)
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are you taking the piss Jackal? Awo contributed at best a small portion to the 'development' of Lagos - all those bridges you are claiming are federal projects funded because Lagos was the seat of power - stop making false claims that hold no water. Lagos' development has been greatly driven by Federal presence and resources, remove that and Lagos may not be better than Cotonou or Lome (who says it is better anyways? ) @ Negro the effect of secession is that people would be able to CHOOSE by themselves how they wated to live and be governed, without an overbearing North killing them or denying them use of their God given resources - the right to self determination, and the right to blame themselves for any short comings they may have. And to those thinking oil was behind the secession, NO it wasn't - that was a later development if anything, oill was just beginning to become important and the Igbos simply wanted to be able to determine their own fates without being yoked to Northern Nigeria. While no one knows what would have come of it, evidence shows that they are likely much WORSE remaining in Nigeria than being better for it - things don't work, the region is still neglected in siting Federal Projects and road repairs, they have gained little or nothing from remaining in Nigeria. One thing I have to admit is yes, igboland really needs federal presence badly. They have been neglected a lot by the govt at the center, be it civilian or military. I agree with debosky on this. I hope the constitutional review would agree to creating an extra state in the south east. |
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4 Him (m)
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yoruba generals would have been smarter to join Ojukwu in all honesty.
How can a rogue like Danjuma be complicit in the gruesome killings of Aguiyi Ironsi and Fajuyi and still be crying about illegally acquired oil wells today? Only in Nigeria.
What of Yakubu Gowon? What benefit has the west derived from supporting the north? The worst losers here are actually the Niger Delta . . . their support of the Nigerian forces effectively spelled the end for Biafra as they lost all access to the coast through which they could import weapons and food. Today they are the worst off in the Nigerian project of failure.
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sheniqua
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One thing I have to admit is yes, igboland really needs federal presence badly. They have been neglected a lot by the govt at the
center, be it civilian or military. I agree with debosky on this.
I hope the constitutional review would agree to creating an extra state in the south east.
It may surprise you to note that that is not the problem. The problem with Nigeria in general is corruption not federal presence. whatever roads Awolowo built,are they being maintained today? what happens to the money allocated to states? does it take federal presence to pay common teachers in a classroom or give pipeborne water. Are the roads in Ibadan better than those in Umuahia? |
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~Xerxes~ (m)
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@ Sheniqua, I am not by any means a tribalist. . . . . .I am a freestylist. . . . However, i will not let anyone trample on ma race or tribe. . . . . .Yoruba people are the most learned in Nigeria. . . .FACT!!!!! Loads of people blame it on the fact that colonial masters dwelled in the Western region more than any other parts of Nigeria but thats bollocks to me. You are talking JAMB stats when Ekiti state alone have produced more Professors/Doctors than the whole Eastern/Northern Region of Nigeria. How may of the so-called Jambites would become Professors in this modern era, are u this fickle? 90% of the students in the Universities today will end up jobless or into Yahoo-Yahoo. . . . .Its sad but thats the gospel TRUTH. Loads of ma primary school mates are still roaming the streets of Lagos jobless despite having Bachelors degree. . . . Criminals? Puhleeeeeaze. . . . . armed robbery started in Nigeria by the Igbos. . . . When idle men realised they had arms(used in the civil war), they concluded they can make money from the situation. Armed robbery became the order of the day shortly after 1970 and it began in the East. if you listened to Debo a lot more you'd probably learn a thing or two, Lagos is what it is today partly thanks to Jakande.
Jakande me ass. . . . . .who the rat is Lateef Jakande? A glory hunter who had many projects built in his name to make kids like u believe he really did something. To a kid like u, Babangida conceived the 3rd mainland bridge, innit? I am having a laugh. Are y'all cats aware Awolowo was once the Governor of the Western region? Cocoa House, Liberty Stadium and many landmarks in the western region were all conceived by the Great Awolowo. . . . . .Hell, this topic should have been brought up in the daytime when i could have blown all y'all into bits. |
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sheniqua
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@ Sheniqua,
I am not by any means a tribalist. . . . . .I am a freestylist. . . .
Criminals? Puhleeeeeaze. . . . . armed robbery started in Nigeria by the Igbos. . . .
When idle men realised they had arms(used in the civil war), they concluded they can make money from the situation.
Armed robbery became the order of the day shortly after 1970 and it began in the East.
Is that what your folks told you? Guess where the first Nigerians ever executed for drug offences came from? My friend go and sit down. Armed robbery started in the East and infected Yorubas? what does that make Yorubas if you say so easily influenced ? This is the biggest crap I ever heard clap for yaself kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwaaaaaaa!!! |
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