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abulbanaat (m)
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‘Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved?’
He was drowned verse 92 of Soorah 10 does not say he was not drowned. No Muslim has ever understood that verse that way, even the owners of the Language, so you ask them to teach you the language, do not teach then their language.
“So This Day we shall deliver Your (dead) body (out from the sea) that You may be a sign to those who come after You! and Verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs , revelations, etc.).”92.
If he was saved from drowning, this would not have been hidden from the Muslims.
In the Tafseer, the interpretation of that was that Allaah caused the corpse of Pharaoh to come afloat the sea so that the Jews would actually see that he had died.
Your sources do not understand Arabic.
Sorry.
‘Contradiction No. 19:’
Believers, Jews, Sabaeans and Christians –
whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right –
shall have nothing to fear or regret.
-- Sura 5:69
But just three verses further in the text it says
The verse and this verse:
‘Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe In Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall They grieve.’ [Q2: 62]
All indicate that whoever among those people, as collections of people, believe in Allaah, the Last Day and work righteousness will have the mentioned rewards.
The verse is rather an invitation to the way of Allaah.
Look at the people mentioned:
Those who believe – the Muslims
Those who follow the Jewish scriptures – the Jews
The Christians
The Sabians (you will say these are the Serbs; remember your Saamiri-Samaritan principle!)
And ‘any who believe,’ this can be just anybody even an unbeliever.
That when those believe in Allaah, not in Jesus as son of God, the Last day and work righteousness, they will have the reward mentioned.
Thus it is glaring that those people were mentioned as examples. The list can go on:
Those who believe, the Jews, the Christians, the Buddhists, the Zoroastrians, anybody, if they believe in oneness of Allaah (in Islâm) and the Last Day, and they work righteousness,
I hope it is clear to you O Nezan.
Let me give you a homework, find out the meaning of these verses:
“Verily, You will find the strongest among men In enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikûn, and You will find the nearest In love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: "We are Christians." that is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.
And when they (who call themselves Christians) listen to what has been sent down to the Messenger (Muhammad), You see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the Truth they have recognised. They say: "Our Lord! we believe; so write us down among the witnesses.
"And why should we not believe In Allâh and In that which has come to us of the Truth (Islâmic Monotheism)? and we wish that Our Lord will admit us (in Paradise on the Day of Resurrection) along with the righteous people (Prophet Muhammad and his Companions)."
So because of what they said, Allâh rewarded them Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), they will abide therein forever. such is the reward of gooddoers.” [Maaidah: 82-85].
The Qur’aan is a Wonderful Book though you may not understand. Do you know it is the only religious book that is closely studied by its adherents?
And it is the most widely memorized religious book in the world. Please how many Christians have memorized the whole Bible?
“Therefore, either the Qur'an contradicts itself, or it shows itself very ignorant of historical Christianity.”
You are the one who is confused or made to be confused.
Sorry.
“Contradiction No. 20:”
Your quote:
“The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, -
flog them each with a hundred stripes.
-- Sura 24:2
If any of your women are guilty of lewdness,
take the evidence of four (reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them;
and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them,
or Allah ordain for them some (other) way. “
I say:
If you have brought the verse in their order of revelation then your doubt will be removed, but you (or your superiors) have a motive for bringing the way you have done.
So I will help you make it in the correct order:
‘If any of your women are guilty of lewdness,
take the evidence of four (reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them;
and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them,
or Allah ordain for them some (other) way ‘
That was the initial revelation when the Muslims were just settling down in Madeenah.
And when they had settled down, Allaah ordained ‘some other way:’
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, -
flog them each with a hundred stripes.
So there is no contradiction, o Nezan.
As for this verse:
“If two (men) among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both.
If they repent and amend, leave them alone;
for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. “
-- Sura 4:15-16
It remains as it is.
But you should have seen this clause now, ‘punish them both’
So those guilty of homosexuality will be punished according to the discretion of the Prophet, this is what is called Ta’zir in the Shariah.
And very much later, the prophet decreed that the homosexuals be killed:
‘Whomever you find doing the act of people of Lut, kill the subject and the object.’
So in the Shariah, the eventual punishment for homosexuality is killing.
Sorry Nezan, you made a mistake again.
Then you said: “All this is further complicated by the fact that in the Sharia the actual punishment for adultery is stoning on the basis of the Sunna of Muhammad and various hadiths, ”
What a wicked conclusion from you Nezan, do you mean the Shariah does not demarcate it?
For unmarried adulterers it is hundred stripes and for a married person, stoning to death, as it is in the Torah!
And you still said:
“, and there are even traditions that the verse of stoning was originally part of the Qur'an.”
Yes it was abrogated in recitation but retained in ruling according to the Infinite Wisdom of your Creator, Allaah.
He the Only Lord said:
“Whatever a Verse (revelation) do we abrogate or Cause to be forgotten, we bring a better one or similar to it. know You not that Allâh is Able to do All things?” [Q2: 106].
Remember Nezan, this is Shariah and it has its experts studying it day and night in the places of learning (including the mosques). So you or your superiors are far from knowing it unless you let us teach you.
It is our religion, it is our Faith.
(I have prepared this from my busiest time, may Allaah accept it from me as worship. O Allaah it is because of You Alone I have done this, make it so for me.)
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Nezan (m)
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@abulbanaat et al;
You will notice that your mods edited this thread, cleverly removing my posts and olabowale's posts in argument, hence bastardizing the thread. I dont think I will continue an argument in which my posts will be so violently raped via cyber-terrorism. I am not interested in arguing with people who are too scared to face up to the truth.
Shallom!
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olabowale (m)
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@Nezan: this man enjoy saying rape, and terrorism too often, even when better and adequately appropriate words are available! stop saying shalom, a clearly jewish word, a people who dont care ragtag for your nigerian person! you are neither a jew, by blood or by religion, unlike me who can clearly fit the arab motif, if only in religion. remember that Quran is revealed in pure and clear arabic? and of course, you dont know what language (lol) your new testament is revealed.
at least the moderator is an equal opportunity thread deletor, so stop complaining, because i am and if you didnt call my attention to it, i would never have noticed anything removed! typical Kiriyo (thats what the yoruba muslims calle kristieni), stop complaining about everything, man.
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muhsin (m)
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@abulbanaat et al;
You will notice that your mods edited this thread, cleverly removing my posts and olabowale's posts in argument, hence bastardizing the thread. I dont think I will continue an argument in which my posts will be so violently raped via cyber-terrorism. I am not interested in arguing with people who are too scared to face up to the truth.
Shallom!
Deceitfulness at its peak! You've been deploying this whenever you wanna run-away. Wallahi this is very shame of you. |
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abulbanaat (m)
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Please what is happening? I can't understand, please Nezan explain yourself further.
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abulbanaat (m)
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Nezan, as you have challenged me to thrash whether Allaah is a Supreme Being or not with you, I announce to you that I will open a thread on that, meet me there.
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shakerz
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Godson really that was a horrible attempt at finding contradictions. I actually read this thread with gleam and finally expecting a Christian to point out a clear cut mistake and contradiction only to find this fool not tell the difference between abrogation(wasnt the old tastament done awaya with too) and contradiction or refer to verses that are soo clear in nature that it makes me wonder how he can misconstrue them. Perhaps it of no fault because you lack a firm grip in understanding of Arabic, islamic history, and the very art of exegisis.
Here are some reasons why it is difficult to point to internal contradictions in the Quran
1. The quranic verses generally are repetitive and clear
2. The message given is consistent in moral and meaning across the Meccan and Medina period.
3. The Quran rarely mentions explicit, non-essential dates and names of people or locations that seems to filtered all over the bible; useless information. So it is hard to find explicit mistakes.
4. Muslim over the centuries with the science of Hadith, the science of reliability not found in biblical scholarship points to when a verse was revealed and clears up the context of the issue
5. The science of interpreting the quran or tafsir makes it impossible to find an internal consistency.
Though finding an error in the bible or pointing to mathamatical errors or explicit dates contraditions can be easily pointed to in the bible due to scribal mistakes,
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abulbanaat (m)
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I am still impressed in you Shakerz. Yes our line is getting fortified, Abuzola, Sir Olabowale, Muhsin, rejoice.
[Muhsin and Abuzola bury the hatchet, O]
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the_seeker
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nezan, what you fail to realize is that science and history are progressive feilds. Wat we know to be true today can be mofied or even disproved tomorow. Even the almighty theories of einstein are continually being modified in the light of new findings.
As per the issue of mud bricks and crucifixion. It is obvious that historians and scientists alike keep pushing back the dates
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Nezan (m)
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@abulbanaat et al;
You will notice that your mods edited this thread, cleverly removing my posts and olabowale's posts in argument, hence bastardizing the thread. I dont think I will continue an argument in which my posts will be so violently raped via cyber-terrorism. I am not interested in arguing with people who are too scared to face up to the truth.
Shallom!
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GODSON2009 (m)
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hello abulbanaat and your fellow mujahideens,just got back from nigeria yesterday,and been snowed in with work,but like i promised earlier i will address some of the contradictions contained in your book of confusions aka quran,i am sure a lot of contradictions have been published already but i will just add mine as it wont be fair not addressing them, before i begin,i will like to quickly point out that there are three types of contradictions in the quran which i have come across the first is 1.internal contradictions, i.e Verses contradicting each other or the laws 2.external contradictions-verses contradicting science/ history 3.verses contradicting earlier verses due to space and time i will hinge my comments on only one of the three contradictions,namely the external contradictions , the first contradiction,in several quranic verses mohammad asserts that he was the first muslim with some examples, a, Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed? Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender [aslama] (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters(s6.14) verily my Lord hath directed me into a right way, a true religion, the sect of Abraham the orthodox; and he was no idolater. Say, verily my prayers, and my worship, and my life, and my death are dedicated unto God, the Lord of all creatures: He hath no companion. This have I been commanded: I am the first Moslem (Wa 'Ana 'Awwalu Al-Muslimin). S. 6:161-163 this is contradicted by the same quran which refer to the presence of true believers both before and during Muhammad’s alleged "call" to prophethood The Quran asserts that Adam, Noah, the Patriarchs, the twelve tribes of Israel, Moses, Jesus etc., were all believers and many of them even messengers who lived a long time before Muhammad, you dont believe me?? Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."… And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."… When learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. S. 2:30, 34-35, 37 another quranic verse which also contradicts mohammad's assertions, When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. S. 3:52(even the disciples were muslims before mohammad)lol lol lol  And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help! S. 22:78 now the pertinent question is this, was adam the first muslim or mohammad? were the disciples the first muslims before mohammad? |
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GODSON2009 (m)
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second contradiction, can angels take lives /kill or not?
The Quran, by way of rebuking the Christians and idolaters, claims that none of those individuals that they called upon and worshiped could intercede, create, give life, or cause to die,
"Is He then Who creates like him who does not create? Do you not then mind? … And those whom they call on besides Allah have not created anything while they are themselves created; Dead (are they), not living, and they know not when they shall be raised. S. 16:17, 20-21 Shakir"
"And they have taken besides Him gods, who do not create anything while they are themselves created, and they control not for themselves any harm or profit, and they control not death nor life, nor raising (the dead) to life. S. 25:3 Shakir"
the quran also specifically admonishes people from calling on angels, ,.
"And he commanded you not that ye should take the angels and the prophets for lords. Would he command you to disbelieve after ye had surrendered (to Allah)?" S. 3:80 Pickthall
Cry unto those (saints and angels) whom ye assume (to be gods) beside Him, yet they have no power to rid you of misfortune nor to change. Those unto whom they cry seek the way of approach to their Lord, which of them shall be the nearest; they hope for His mercy and they fear His doom. Lo! the doom of thy Lord is to be shunned. S. 17:56-57 Pickthall
yet the quran turns around to ascribe the power of death to the same angels in a swift about face,
Verily, those whom the angels cause to die while they are wronging their own souls, the angels will say to them: ‘What were you after?’ They will say: ‘We were treated as weak in the land.’ The angels will say, ‘Was not ALLAH's earth spacious enough so that you could have emigrated therein?’ It is these whose abode shall be Hell, and an evil destination it is; 4:97
Those whom the angels CAUSE TO DIE while they are unjust to themselves. Then would they offer submission: We used not to do any evil. Aye! surely Allah knows what you did. … Those whom the angels CAUSE TO DIE in a good state, saying: Peace be on you: enter the garden for what you did. S. 16:28, 32
the same quran even further contradicts itself,by ascribing the certain owers of creation to the same angels,
'Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported: Evil one is he who is evil in the womb of his mother and the good one is he who takes lesson from the (fate of) others. The narrator came to a person from amongst the Companion of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) who was called Hudhaifa b. Usaid Ghifari and said: How can a person be an evil one without (committing an evil) deed? Thereupon the person said to him: You are surprised at this, whereas I have heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saving: When forty nights pass after the semen gets into the womb, Allah sends the angel and gives him the shape. Then he creates his sense of hearing, sense of sight, his skin, his flesh, his bones, and then says: My Lord, would he be male or female? And your Lord decides as He desires and the angel then puts down that also and then says: My Lord, what about his age? And your Lord decides as He likes it and the angel puts it down. Then he says: My Lord, what about his livelihood? And then the Lord decides as He likes and the angel writes it down, and then the angel gets out with his scroll of destiny in his hand and nothing is added to it and nothing is subtracted from it. (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6393)
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GODSON2009 (m)
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the last contradiction for today,however i have plenty more like i promised in the first page f this thread,
what exactly is the universal age for marriage in the quran?further contradictions,
in the quranic verse below, And try orphans (as regards their intelligence) until they reach the age of marriage; if then you find sound judgement in them, release their property to them, but consume it not wastefully, and hastily fearing that they should grow up, and whoever amongst guardians is rich, he should take no wages, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable (according to his work). And when you release their property to them, take witness in their presence; and Allah is All Sufficient in taking account. S. 4:6
the quran agrees there is a certain age of marriage,presumably an age where the girl has reachd puberty,which abulbanaat,olabowale and co will agre with me yes?
now let us see where islamic scholars have fixed an age, (Tafsir Al-Jalalayn)
Try, test, well the orphans, before reaching maturity with regard [the duties of] religion and [before] they can [legally] manage their own affairs, until they reach the age of marrying, that is, until they have become eligible for it through puberty or [legal] age, which, according to al-Shāfi‘ī, is the completion of fifteen years; then, if you perceive in them maturity, that is, right [judgement] in matters of religion and their property, deliver their property to them; consume it not, O guardians, wastefully, without due merit, and in haste, that is, hastening to expend it, fearing, lest they should grow up, and become mature, at which time you will be obliged to hand it over to them. If any man, who is a guardian, is rich, let him be abstinent, that is, let him abstain from the orphan’s property and refrain from consuming it; if he is poor, let him consume, of it, honourably, that is, in line with the wage for his work. And when you deliver to them, the orphans, their property, take witnesses over them, that they have received it and that you are absolved [of the obligation], so that if any dispute occurs, you are able to refer to a clear proof: this is a command [intended] for guidance. God suffices as a reckoner, as a guardian of His creatures’ deeds and as a reckoner of these [deeds] (the bā’ [in bi’Llāhi] is extra).
another great islamic scholar, Tafsir Ibn Kathir
(The pen does not record the deeds of three persons: the child until the age of puberty, the sleeping person until waking up, and the senile until sane.) Or, the age of fifteen is considered the age of adolescence. In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that Ibn `Umar said, "I was presented in front of the Prophet on the eve of the battle of Uhud, while I was fourteen years of age, and he did not allow me to take part in that battle. But I was presented in front of him on the eve of the battle of Al-Khandaq (The Trench) when I was fifteen years old, and he allowed me (to join that battle).'' `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz commented when this Hadith reached him, "This is the difference between a child and an adult.'' There is a difference of opinion over whether pubic hair is considered a sign of adulthood, and the correct opinion is that it is. The Sunnah supports this view, according to a Hadith collected by Imam Ahmad from `Atiyah Al-Qurazi who said, We were presented to the Prophet on the day of Qurizah, whoever had pubic hair was killed, whoever did not was left free to go, I was one of those who did not, so I was left free.'' The Four Sunan compilers also recorded similar to it. At-Tirmidhi said, "Hasan Sahih.'' Allah's statement,
from the assertions of these scholars,we can see here the age of puberty specifically at 15 yeares old,while the quran specifically places the age wfor marriage at "puberty"
again mohammad and the book of confusion contradicts themselves by marrying a 6 years old girl who is clearly not reached the age of puberty,
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234
i also have hadiths proving aisha had not reached the age of puberty if anyone needs them
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GODSON2009 (m)
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tell me about it ill just add some more contradictions for today as i have decided to update this thread everyday for maximum enjoyment lol was the quran sent don from heaven all at once or in bits and pieces,in the following verses it was asserted that it was sent dwn at once, Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down (onzila) the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. God intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful. S. 2:185 another verse with thesame claims, Ha-Mim. By the manifest Book (this Qur'an) that makes things clear, We sent it (this Qur'an) down (anzalnahu) on a blessed night [(i.e. night of Qadr, Surah No: 97) in the month of Ramadan, the 9th month of the Islamic calendar]. Verily, We are ever warning [mankind that Our Torment will reach those who disbelieve in Our Oneness of Lordship and in Our Oneness of worship]. Therein (that night) is decreed every matter of ordainments. Amran (i.e. a Command or this Qur'an or the Decree of every matter) from Us. Verily, We are ever sending (the Messengers), (As) a Mercy from your Lord. Verily! He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. The Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, if you (but) have a faith with certainty. S. 44:1-7 and then the third qurani verse which also supports the two , Behold, We sent IT down (anzalnahu) on the Night of Power; And what shall teach thee what is the Night of Power? The Night of Power is better than a thousand months; in it the angels and the Spirit descend, by the leave of their Lord, upon every command. Peace it is, till the rising of dawn. S. 97:1-5 to be absolutely clear that i am not intentionally distorting the quran another verse says, Lo! We revealed it, that is, the Qur’an, IN ITS ENTIRETY, [sending it down] from the Preserved Tablet to the heaven of this world, on the Night of Ordainment, that is, [the Night] of great eminence. q 97;1 however as it is customary with the quran a.k.a book of confusion other parts contradict the above, We sent down (anzalnahu) the (Qur'an) in Truth, and in Truth has it descended (nazala): and We sent thee but to give Glad Tidings and to warn (sinners). ( It is) a Qur'an which We have divided (into parts from time to time), in order that thou mightest recite it to men at intervals: We have revealed it (wa-nazzalnahu) by stages. S. 17:105-106 And those who disbelieve say: "Why is not the Qur'an revealed (nuzzila) to him all at once?" Thus (it is sent down in parts), that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages. (It was revealed to the Prophet in 23 years.). S. 25:32 |
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olabowale (m)
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Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down (onzila) the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind So it is not difficult to understand that the first revelationmust be in the month of Ramadhan. We sent it (this Qur'an) down (anzalnahu) on a blessed night [(i.e. night of Qadr, Surah No: 97) in the month of Ramadan the first revelation must be in the month of Ramadhan, refer to above, specifically the night of Qudr must have a revelation. Let me refer you to Surah Qadr; Inna anzainahu fi lailatul Qudr, anta matallul Fajr! Go read it in the Quran! (It is) a Qur'an which We have divided (into parts from time to time), And it extended for 23 years, 23 Ramadhan, 23 Lailatul Qadr. Lailatul Qudr is a night, in a day among the 29 or 30 in each Ramadhan! for those with the eye of reasoning open, they will will see that each section is perfectly fit with the others. It is similar to when we say Muhammad (AS) is a warner, but also a bringer of good news, also a mercy to all who accept his guidance, him being a messenger prophet of his Lord. It is further similar to when we say God is Alive, always, meaning tat He never once die. This makes Him different from all those who dies, will die, once, twice, thrice, or as many times a coward may die! |
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olabowale (m)
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now the pertinent question is this,
was adam the first muslim or mohammad? each [as] lived at different times, hence in their individual generation, among their community, was the 'first' of the muslims. islam assumed to be the bride of late husbands [times], she will be the first wife of each of the virgin men who married her in their time. so when she was 18 marrying the 18 year old, she was his first wife. but when he died and she married another man at 25, a virgin, she will be his first wife at this difrenet time! you did man? were the disciples the first muslims before mohammad? refer to my explanation, above. the disciples were muslims under the messenger Isa bin Maryam (Jesus whom you mislabelled as your god! lol), a muslim, like me! afterall, they did not live at the same time period with the prophet, so they are muslims before him, under Muslim Jesus, a direct and irrefutable proof that Islam was always on before Muhammad! You see how you shoot yourself in the foot? |
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olabowale (m)
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yet the quran turns around to ascribe the power of death to the same angels in a swift about face, let me ask you, the hotelier, when he tells the GM to go to the Bank and get your school fees transferred, who go to the Bank to do it and who actually pays your school fees, since your dad did not appear infront of the cashier to fill out the draft form? I say it is the Hotelier (the yoruba man, your father son of god godson2009) who pays the school fees, because he is the one who delegated power to the mamager, etc. the monies came from your father's account. same with Allag Who empowered Angel to discharge his duty of taking soul, or do you think that the Angel could have done it, without Allah? afterall, Jesus of the Bible said "of my own power, i can do nothing". and thats the truth with angels, too, since Jibril said in Quran, as Allah permitted him with instruction to say " and we the Angels do not come down except by permission of Allah!" |
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olabowale (m)
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from the assertions of these scholars,we can see here the age of puberty specifically at 15 yeares old,while the quran specifically places the age wfor marriage at "puberty"
again mohammad and the book of confusion contradicts themselves by marrying a 6 years old girl who is clearly not reached the age of puberty,
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 the bolded clearly indicated what my argument have been. First, all issue of marriage in the Quran must have been observed by the prophet [as] whom Aisha [ra] described, as the Quran, walking. it simply destroys the misconception of 6 or 9 years, clearly pre puberty period, since Aisha was already engaged which was dissolved before the prophet engaged her and honor her family [ra jami'a]. now we see that what follows as it came from Aisha, supposedly, is more of an opinion, and can never be ahadith, based on the description of ahadith. now then, you must reconcile the fact which i say is a fibbled fallacy as to her being 6 or 9, but prepuberty at time of marriage, as an ahadith, if you know when she was born, with concrete proof; bench mark, her father and family being muslim, in the first year. if she was born before this acceptance of islam, i say yes, and the statement ascribed to her is not ahadith, i say yes, again, then, your argument is completely wrong. by the way, age of maturity for jews is 13, ready or not. what is it, for christian? i bet you dont know it! i also have hadiths proving aisha had not reached the age of puberty if anyone needs them again, use your marble, son of god man, the hotelier. no? look at your name and you will notice the naked truth |
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mavenbox (f)
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@Abulbanaat: I am glad I found this thread. Sorry to derail traffic but you need to read my post below: www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-349654.0.htmor else I will have to copy and paste ALL the info here? I have SOLID contradictory evidence and irregularities recorded in the Koran. I will like to see how you like them. Most especially, consider the non-Biblical evidence listed. I refer to the Nasikh Enjoy!   |
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olabowale (m)
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@Mavenbox: Quran has nothing to do with Bible, so your Biblical-evidence is actually irrelevant. Bini people have Oba, Iyasere, Ojumu, etc that Owo people in Ondo state have king and chieftancies of same titles. Is one set/group depending on another? No. Exactly the same thing with Quran and "Bible".
David of the Bible was a killer, adulterer, etc. This is different from Prophet King David of Quran. I use this to illustrate their incongruencies!
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