Godson Et All, Where Are The Contradictions In The Qur'aan?

Contradiction No. 4

Two Pharaohs who crucified?
Various passages tell the story that Pharaoh's sorcerers believe in the signs and message of Moses, and then Pharaoh tries to threaten them with these words (Shakir's translation):


I will certainly cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, then will I crucify you all together. [Surah 7:124]
Said he: You believe in him before I give you permission; most surely he is the chief of you who taught you the magic, so you shall know: certainly I will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and certainly I will crucify you all. [Surah 26:49]

In the story of Joseph, about 400 years earlier we also read of another crucifixion in this passage:


O my two mates of the prison! as for one of you, he shall give his lord to drink wine; and as for the other, he shall be crucified, so that the birds shall eat from his head, the matter is decreed concerning which you inquired. [Surah 12:41]
We have, however, no record that Egyptians used crucifixion as punishment in the time of Moses (1450 BC, conservative date; 1200 BC at the latest) or even Joseph (1880 BC, conservative date). Crucifixion only becomes a punishment much later in history and then first in another culture before it has been taken over by the Egyptians. Such threats by a Pharaoh at these times are historically inaccurate.

No.6

Israel, the Quran and the Promised Land

The Holy Bible in many places speaks of God giving Israel the land of Canaan as their everlasting and cherished possession:

"The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God." Genesis 17:8

"So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey – the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites… And I have promised to bring you up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites – a land flowing with milk and honey." Exodus 3:8, 17

"I also established my covenant with them to give them the land of Canaan, where they lived as aliens." Exodus 6:4

Given these clear statements from the Holy Bible, it may come as a surprise to some readers to discover that the Quran actually teaches that the Promised Land which Israel was to inherit was Egypt! Before presenting the evidence for this we need to first mention that the words Canaan, Israel (the land, not the people), Judea or Jerusalem never appear in the Quran, which is truly bewildering and astonishing to say the least.

When the Quran does speak of Israel's inheritance it simply refers to the land or city which God gave them. For instance:

And (remember) when Moses said unto his people: O my people! Remember Allah's favour unto you, how He placed among you prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) of (His) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers: They said: O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then). Then out spake two of those who feared (their Lord, men) unto whom Allah had been gracious: Enter in upon them by the gate, for if ye enter by it, lo! ye will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if ye are indeed believers. They said: O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here. He said: My Lord! I have control of none but myself and my brother, so distinguish between us and the wrong-doing folk. (Their Lord) said: For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will wander in the earth, bewildered. So grieve not over the wrongdoing folk. S. 5:20-26 Pickthall

The text doesn't identify exactly where this holy land was situated, who these giants were, or which two men feared their Lord. The only way to know the answers is to go outside of the Quran and consult the Holy Bible:

"The LORD said to Moses, ‘Send some men to explore the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the Israelites. From each ancestral tribe send one of its leaders.’ So at the LORD's command Moses sent them out from the Desert of Paran. All of them were leaders of the Israelites… When Moses sent them to explore Canaan, he said, ‘Go up through the Negev and on into the hill country. See what the land is like and whether the people who live there are strong or weak, few or many. What kind of land do they live in? Is it good or bad? What kind of towns do they live in? Are they unwalled or fortified? How is the soil? Is it fertile or poor? Are there trees on it or not? Do your best to bring back some of the fruit of the land.’ (It was the season for the first ripe grapes.) So they went up and explored the land from the Desert of Zin as far as Rehob, toward Lebo Hamath. They went up through the Negev and came to Hebron, where Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai, the descendants of Anak, lived. (Hebron had been built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.) When they reached the Valley of Eshcol, they cut off a branch bearing a single cluster of grapes. Two of them carried it on a pole between them, along with some pomegranates and figs. That place was called the Valley of Eshcol because of the cluster of grapes the Israelites cut off there. At the end of forty days they returned from exploring the land. They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at Kadesh in the Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land. They gave Moses this account: ‘We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit. But the people who live there are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large. We even saw descendants of Anak there. The Amalekites live in the Negev; the Hittites, Jebusites and Amorites live in the hill country; and the Canaanites live near the sea and along the Jordan.’ Then Caleb silenced the people before Moses and said, ‘We should go up and take possession of the land, for we can certainly do it.’ But the men who had gone up with him said, ‘We can't attack those people; they are stronger than we are.’ And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, ‘The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.’" Numbers 13:1-3, 17-33

{As a side note, Q. 5:20 contains a gross anachronism since it has Moses speaking of Israel’s kings when in fact Israel had no kings until centuries later during the time of Samuel.}

Yet if we stick strictly with the Quran itself and take into consideration all the references to the Exodus of Israel then it becomes apparent that the author(s) thought that the land given to Israel wasn't Jerusalem or Canaan but Egypt!

I will continue after you reply to these few contradictions, as the contradictions are too numerous.

^^ Whether it is copy and paste, it doesnt make any difference, abulbanaat challenged every body to highlight the contradictions in the koran, he ought to defend those alleged contradictions, no need hiding under the wings of copy and paste to evade replying to these highlighted allegations. Wake up and defend islam!!

That does not explain the contradictions listed above.

What mischief? abulbanaat challenged us to show him contradictions in the koran, after listing some of them, you are now calling us mischief makers? were we the people who opened the thread? see me see wahala-o

The challenge was from abulbanaat, let him answer! no body asked him to open the thread.

^^^
See delusion, are my posts in french? cant you read my posts? Are the contradictions mentioned above not in the koran?

You know what? you are a newbie on NL who is very funny. Have you ever opened a thread? ask around and they will tell you, I dont run away from arguments.

Another thing, you are not original, why dont you change your I.D. name? there is another guy on this forum with that name.

nezan, you will be ignored cos u are going of topic.  pls wait for your daddy Godson to return.

'I laugh tire.' By Allaah we will not ignore Nezan, we shall answer him, let him go to any site and copy then paste here, their foolishness shall be brought to the open, Insha Allaah. I have been unable to browse since the last time you saw my hand, I am just back. Nezan Nezan wait for your reply and don't stylishly run away like your 'aburo' or 'omo' GODSON.

'Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether ynu warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe' Quran 2:6

‘Contradiction No 1’

Surah 12:20 tells us:




They sold him [Joseph] for a miserable price, for a few dirhams counted out [darahima ma‘dudatin]; in such low estimation did they hold him!


The use of the word Dirham in the sale of Joseph as a slave is one of many anachronisms in the Qur'an. Dirhams, as well as all other coins, did not exist in the time of Joseph. Even if one accepts the dating of Joseph's life in Egypt, coins were still not invented until several centuries after his time.

Answer:  Your no one foolishness is that you do not (or the peopel you are copying from) understand the Arabic Language.  One the term Dir’ham literally means according to ‘Al-Munjid’ (an Arabic dictionary published in Beirut in collaboration with the Catholic Church) ‘a silver coin used for transactions.’ One fact remains incontestable that silver-coins and gold-coins (called Dinar in Arabic) had been in used from the time immemorial.

So you must prove to us that during the time of Joseph, silver coin was not in existent.

And it can also be said that the term ‘Dirham’ was used as a legal tender of the time. In the modern Arabic, Dirham and Dinar are (sometimes) used to represent cash used by the people. Check a nearby Arabic-English dictionary for confirmation. Thus we can say Dirham is used as ‘Ism Jins’ (a generic name).

So you (or they) have failed.

I hope you will understand, Nezan Nezan.

‘Contradiction No.3’


JOHN THE BAPTIST
(YAHYA)


no one before him has the same name, Maryam 19.7.

However, we read of a Johanan in 2 Kings 25:23, 1 Chronicles 3:15, 24, 6:9, 10, Ezra 8:12, etc. In fact, there are 27 instances of the name "Johanan" mentioned in the Old Testament. The Hasmonean Dynasty ruled Palestine in the century before John the Baptist appeared on the scene. Palestine at that time was very Hellenized and Greek became the main language. One of the priest-king of the Hasmonean Dynasty was John Hyrcanus, well attested to in many historical and classical sources. Josephus talks about a John the Essene who served as a general of the rebel force in Timna (Jewish War, 2.125). 1 Maccabees 2:1 tells us of "Mattathias son of John son of Simeon". Mattathias also has a son called John (1 Maccebees 2:2). John's brother, Judas, led the Jews in rebellion against Antiochus IV Epiphanes. Simon also has a son named John (1 Maccebees 16:19). All these Johns lived before John the Baptist. John was indeed a very common name.

Answer: Not to waste time on that, Ibn Kathir said in his Tafseer: ‘Mujaahid said (the meaning of that statement is that), there had been none like Yahya (that is, in his peculiar qualities). And he quoted another statement of Allaah to buttress that:

“Lord of the heavens and the earth, and All that is between them, so Worship Him (Alone) and be constant and patient In his worship. do You know of any who is similar to Him (literally: Anyone like His Name)? (Of course none is similar or coequal or comparable to him, and He has none as partner with Him).  {Maryam: 65}

So there is none similar to Yahya in name, for literally his name means ‘he lives on’ because of his special qualities, namely (as Ibn Abbas put it in the same Tafseer) he was given birth to by a mother who had been barren all her life.

Even for argument sake, O Nezan, do you want us to believe that those ‘Johns’ and ‘Johanans’ which you allude to, really existed. Remember Bible is full of names of people and legends that were later imaginations of the Jewish scribes.

So you have no point O Nezan. Sorry.

‘Contradiction No.6’


Israel, the Quran and the Promised Land



‘, it may come as a surprise to some readers to discover that the Quran actually teaches that the Promised Land which Israel was to inherit was Egypt!’
Answer: Which verse did the Qur’aan it was Egypt? O Nezan. And if you can’t produce it know that you are a LIAR.

He said: ‘When the Quran does speak of Israel's inheritance it simply refers to the land or city which God gave them’.
Answer: Yes Allaah did not mention the land for He knew He would not make them inherit any place.
He said: The text doesn't identify exactly where this holy land was situated, who these giants were, or which two men feared their Lord.
Answer: Because it was of no significance. What could have been the significance of that to the Muslims? Is like saying Qur’aan does not mention the names of Joseph’s brothers except Baniyamin (Benjamin). Quran is but Mother of the books that has the basis.


He said: “{As a side note, Q. 5:20 contains a gross anachronism since it has Moses speaking of Israel’s kings when in fact Israel had no kings until centuries later during the time of Samuel.}”

Answer: So you mean there had not been rulers (kings) in the Jewish Tribe before Moses? You must be kidding.



He said: “Yet if we stick strictly with the Quran itself and take into consideration all the references to the Exodus of Israel then it becomes apparent that the author(s) thought that the land given to Israel wasn't Jerusalem or Canaan but Egypt!”

We say bring your proof from the Qur’aan.

‘Contradiction No. 7’


Answer: As for your babbling about the Injeel, I think a thread will better be opened to thrash out that. But before then:

Injeel was one of the Heavenly Books revealed by Allaah to Prophet Jesus. Jesus was a Messenger of God, and a Messenger of God would receive revelations from God, it is the aspects of the revelation that will constitute a corpus. It is not that a book would just come down g-r-a-m from heaven. Qur’aan too was revealed in piecemeal (13 years in Makkah and 10 in Madinah). The circumstance in which Jesus lived will without doubt not deny the fact that any revelation to him would have been secretly written down such that not all would know it, and remember Jesus’ ministry spanned just three years so it would have been very far if the book was not well documented but metaphorically a book had been sent down. So Muslims believe what is contained in the News testament is not the actual Injeel but a faint aspect of it. Thus whatever has been originally reported from Jesus (as confirmed by the Qur’aan) is the Injeel and all other imaginations of Luke, Mark et al, remain their own imaginations. So Qur’an commands the  Christians to stand by the Injeel by looking for its original (which Allaah knew they cannot achieve) but to taunt them and to bring them back to the Qur’aan which has replaced the lost Injeel, and in fact the Torah.

So try and understand O Nezan, may Allaah show you the light.

He said: “I will continue after you reply to these few contradictions, as the contradictions are too numerous.”

Answer: Do you mean where aspects of Qur’aan contradict one another, or your phantom historical and biblical ‘facts’? Bring the contradictions in the Qur’aan, the world is watching you. Shame. 

Anyway we are at home for you.

O Muslims:

“Allâh made it not but as a message of good news for you and as an assurance to your hearts. And there is no victory except from Allâh, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

That He might cut off a part of those who disbelieve, or expose them to infamy, so that they retire frustrated.” [Q3: 126-127].

So let the Nezans of this world be wary.

And may I humbly add:
 "And I free not myself (from the blame). Verily, the (human) self is inclined to evil, except when my Lord bestows His Mercy (upon whom He wills). Verily, my Lord is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Yuusuf: 53].

I am grateful O Muhsin, I love you and other becuase of Allaah.