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bidemi12 (m)
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@sayso Each with his own reason for travelling abroad. please scroll back to previous pages to see my other posts on this issue. One thing i am very sure about is that we as Nigerians are so spoilt that we for instance think that gold and silver are littering the streets in the west. I have a friend that we were both in the service together although he was 2 years ahead of me. He and i decided to utilise our GI bill to the fullest. We both got our masters and got ourselves certified as info systems auditors. This guy got out of the service and within a month got a job with 120k salary tag. And for anybody in the west that salary no be moi moi. He travels every where across the globe handling high profile clients. As i am laughing my ass off so would he if he heared/read the nonsense been said here. discrimination ko, discrimination ni. If you decide to leave Nigeria and not upgrade yourself in the west when given the opportunity you should expect crap. lets be honest, how do you look at labourers and cleaners even in Nigeria and you expect to do the same kind of jobs and not be looked down upon in another mans country? Nigga please. Now there were a lot of Nigerians that we knew who had the choice to take the same path we took but chose not to. So who is to blame?
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BAC
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One of the disadvantages of Niaja is the amount of people losing their lives on the so called express roads. If you visit Naija and you are unfortunate to have an accident, you are dead. I read that in the operation room they use torch lights. Thank God for NHS
God bless the UK
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slimes (m)
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When you sweat in the civil service of Nigeria and you're paid peanuts then you'll appreciate your previous stay abroad.
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baslone
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When you sweat in the civil service of Nigeria and you're paid peanuts then you'll appreciate your previous stay abroad.
Yea, corruption caused this but still left space for the workers too. The money most of these workers make weekly unofficially is more than a lot of bankers monthly take home pay especially in the federal unit. That's the truth if you don't know. |
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ud4u
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@ poster
What are you still doing there???
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sayso (m)
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definitely coming back
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kalabi
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why u run back to uk? why can't u stay more? and i know u stay where u just on tap and water came out, where u have generator supplying u light anytime u wnat it and u have car to cruz arround, u come to enjoy the hard currency u brought from Uk.
You come and stay in my area where there is no light, no water, bad road, where mosqutos are doing competition every night.
If u want to know why people are running to uk. come back to Nigeria, take yr certificate come and look for job here or come and trying doing buz.
Nobody will tell u before u look for money to take the next available flight back to Uk.
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Vacora (m)
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I love living in the UK and i enjoy my times in Nigeria. I am grateful to both countries for making me who i am today. No nation is without it's share of socio-economic-political problems however i have seen and witnessed the sad decline in Nigeria's greatness as such i will not fault or blame anyones search for a better life elsewhere.
We need to change the mentality of looking down on people who happen to be cleaners or security guards or mechanics or cab drivers , some of these people actually own their own businesses or homes and are making great strides over here. Recession or not some people are still making good money.
Your destiny is what you make it, change will not come to those who wait, you have to grab it by the balls, racism or not, get your foot in the door and use the opportunity to uplift black people, white people respect people who aspire to better themselves and will open doors on your behalf, i have seen it so please stop peddling that racism and white-people-holding us-down attitude, it's defeatist and ignorant.Yes it does exist but it's not stopping me from being successful or being proud of who i am or where i am from.
Living over here has taught me some life skills which we take for granted in Nigeria, for examples DIY or learning to live within your means.
For those of you who think racism or institutional racism( which referred to the practice or procedures within the MET Police at the time of the Stephen Lawrence enquiry) exists only in the West (Can a whole society be institutionally racist? C'mon son) then in Nigeria we must have what can be called institutional ethnocentrism. Nigeria or UK the choice is yours, personally i love both. End of.
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tensor777 (m)
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@poster
If you are tired of living in the uk why not go back home? There is no need to come here and start whingeing about your life.
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ocelot2006 (m)
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I've been in the UK for the past 2 years, and I'll tell you: if I'm to choose between Nigeria and the UK, I'll choose Nigeria in a heartbeat.
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omamokta
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If we all run out of naija, who will organise the country for us, be wise.
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skfa1
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If we all run out of naija, who will organise the country for us, be wise.
Thats a question for you all |
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gamechange (m)
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We all can be at the same location and have different experiences, no one should prejudge, because we have not walked in another individuals shoe. The choice to emigrate for anybody especially if they are already well established in a location I am sure is never an easy one, but circumstances sometimes determine our options for us. All said and done, most of our anger should be channelled at 1) ourselves for allowing Nija politicians to continually get away with blue murder at every turn, we need to start making people accountable, 2) Anger at our so called leaders over the years are also well in order because all they have done is nothing but plummet our fortunes and raised an avarice generation.
One certainty though is that in Nija the mantra "there is dignity in labour" is misplaced, because we judge people by what they do rather than their character and that in itself is a shame. Unfortunately we are raised that way and until one visits other countrys and see that cleaners, domestics and cab drivers are actually humans like everybody else, with the same aspirations and goals, aspirations for their kids to do well, aspirations to have a good life, good health, good retirement and actually sometimes are more intelligent than Nija upbringing leads one to believe.
I can never forget that Richard Branson started hussling CDs at tube stations at the onset on his business empire, Instead of tearing down ourselves because of our subjective decisions, lets work together from wherever we may be in uplifting our common denominator (Nigeria), defeating our common enemy (failed leaders and politicians hell bent on power) and start a peaceful movement that will target these people and their interests, as a suggestion for instance if we know a corrupt politician owns a company, we can collectively boycott their products, we need to take our country back.
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r231 (m)
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I see pple talk about how white pple treat you this and that I am not saying that I want to die in Uk don't get me wrong but how about your own people in 9ja how they treat their own pple. I was standing on a line at d airport and a stupid immigration guy was telling to move let white man pass and i nearly slap both of them cus d so called white man doesn't even speak english plus u r driving the police want to sell u what don't belong to u after u have shown all d docs dey ask for.
We can sit here and argue all day the fact still remains that its a personal choice if you are comfortable where you are then so be it. I have tried the moving thing many times but it didn't work even pple 419 u for the money u have so whats d point. At in my own capacity I provide employment for others so dats good enough for now period
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yommyuk
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At in my own capacity I provide employment for others so dats good enough for now period  I can never forget that Richard Branson started hussling CDs at tube stations at the onset on his business empire, Instead of tearing down ourselves because of our subjective decisions, lets work together from wherever we may be in uplifting our common denominator (Nigeria), defeating our common enemy (failed leaders and politicians hell bent on power) and start a peaceful movement that will target these people and their interests, as a suggestion for instance if we know a corrupt politician owns a company, we can collectively boycott their products, we need to take our country back. 
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nononcents
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I think Vacora has observe one of the most sensitive things about this subject.
If we are all a litte more open minded, honest and humble we will be able to really analyse the situation in Naija V. western countries (i.e UK, Canada, Australia etc, ).
There is no place with its share of problems. Truth be told, too many people in Naija can not live a fulfilling life in Naija either because they are not born into the 'right' family, or into the right ethnic group (ie.'skin' colour). While not everyone in Naija will experience hardships or poverty or ethnocentric treatments at the same time not everyone in 'the UK' is be a loser (or taxi driver, cleaner etc, ) because 'choses' to make the UK their home.
If you chose the UK you are in your right mind, if you chose Naija, you are equally in your right mind. So, lets stop labelling people because of where they chose to live.
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nononcents
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ps: Personally, I hope to 'frequent' Naija, but I don't know about moving back o, :-) I no ge liver 4 all da usual wey dey happen 4 there. You can't even go to the bank without going through a metal detector and millitary guards with machine guns, Aba, shuo, I personally like the liberties and justice that exists in the western world. Relative PEACE! When Naija gets to that level then maybe. Meanwhile, hopefully if many noble minded ones like us go back often enough to exercise some influence then our country will have a chance.
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bidemi12 (m)
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@youmyuk all that you are saying here is story. There is a thread on NL where people are congratulating obj for at least investing the money he stole back into the economy. They are saying if there are more looters like obj Nigeria would be a better place.
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r231 (m)
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At in my own capacity I provide employment for others so dats good enough for now period I can never forget that Richard Branson started hussling CDs at tube stations at the onset on his business empire, Instead of tearing down ourselves because of our subjective decisions, lets work together from wherever we may be in uplifting our common denominator (Nigeria), defeating our common enemy (failed leaders and politicians hell bent on power) and start a peaceful movement that will target these people and their interests, as a suggestion for instance if we know a corrupt politician owns a company, [b]we can collectively boycott their products, we need to take our country back. [/b] I understand you totally but dats what u and I talking about over here do you fink other pple out there think like dat. I am sure if things change 2dy in dat country there will be a lot of pple running bck |
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bidemi12 (m)
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@r231 of course if Nigeria get better who would not want to go back. Do you want to live in a place where you have a high percentage of being murdered at anytime with the police scratching their heads for clues and also where the police would probably go to a herbalist to ask for help in searching for evidence and clues to the crime? or a place where you cast your votes and you can be rest assured that your vote will not count? No thank you.  |
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r231 (m)
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@r231 of course if Nigeria get better who would not want to go back. Do you want to live in a place where you have a high percentage of being murdered at anytime with the police scratching their heads for clues and also where the police would probably go to a herbalist to ask for help in searching for evidence and clues to the crime? or a place where you cast your votes and you can be rest assured that your vote will not count? No thank you. dats ma point exactly, but everybody kept going on like pple want to die in UK like i said earlier as old as i am when i go home i don't stay out past 9pm y would i want to keep living like dat or you car broke dwn at nite u srt getting scared dat somebody will rob you pple selling u other pples land u can't get your money bck even pple dat u gave chance to make money and better their life still cheat you. |
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N101
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I'm amazed by some of the myopic views expressed here, but then it wouldn't be NL if they weren't would it?
Why do I like living in the UK? Simple - I get to meet people from all over the world without having to travel. My world view is not so narrow that I limit myself to shopping in Peckham and Dalston, only eating Nigerian food and having only Nigerian friends. Do I think British society is racist? It has its elements but by and large I wouldn't say it was more so than other places I've lived. I have seen Nigerians exhibit this same racist behaviour they accuse others of - go figure. I've always known that the UK was not the place I would grow old but then I have options.
We really need to stop making excuses for Nigeria or feeling the need to defend what can't be defended. Why, after 49 years of independence, in the every day struggle for life should we have to dash money just to get people to do the job they're paid for? Why should someone who's job is a cleaner in Nigeria be treated as invisible, and spoken to as less of a person? How is it that we can be so religious yet so hypocritical at the same time?
Life may not be perfect in either country but some of us have a choice as to where we want to live. Many people, both in the UK and Nigeria, don't have that choice and life may be especially hard for them. We shouldn't lose sight of this.
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Grange
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@unix4real: just listen 2 your own ramblings. Boy, u are really missing the UK.
@poster: If you are frustrated with life, simply ask for professional help or lets know your problem and we will thrash it here in Nairaland. Don't blame your problems on the UK and be rest assured that Nigeria is the least place you want to be especially if you don't have money! Why in hell did you in back to the UK?
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MyJoe (m)
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Those abusing the poster are missing the point - guess that is to be expected on NL. The idea is to get people's views on the CHOICES we have to make, pros and cons. Unfortunately very few constructive things have been said so far - the abusers are, as often, taking over. What I would have thought is obvious from the post is that the poster would rather live at home but goes on living abroad for practical reasons. I challenge the abusers to tell me what is strange about that.
Personally I agree with those who say you stay where works for you. When you leave Nigeria to stay abroad you are only exchanging one set of problems for another and vice versa. When you live at home you have the family and good weather but with stone age infrastructure and a barely functional state. When you go abroad you get a good measure of order and official respect for the human person but there is an inescapable sense of alienation and second class status, not to mention the famous British weather. In both places you have crime but there is a difference - back home there is poor official response to it, abroad the response is good.
Your personal experiences and life aspirations determine which set of problems you prefer to deal with. For example there is an acquaintance of mine with a British passport who will live and die in Lagos because this is the easiest place to make money in the whole world. First class family connections pad him from many of the effects of a dysfunctional state. He can afford silent generators. He can hop on a plane and go anywhere he wishes across the globe. His family connections ensures he does not get caught up in bureaucracies whenever he has business with the state. It has enabled him to become a millionaire (in USD) with a fast-growing chain of businesses at 34.
And recently a friend of mine in the UK has been paying visits home and telling me about "investing in the Nigerian economy". I strongly suspect that for anyone with credit (money, connections, credit facilities, thugs) and a desire to accumulate money, Nigeria is definitely a better place to make home. But there are people who simply can't cope with such a high level of disorder as we have here, a place where the police break the law and have no clue about modern crime fighting. Such people want order, they just want to live comfortably and be HAPPY and are not unduly worried about the "if your country is good why are you here" attitude. You know where they will choose to live. And having family and friends around means far more to some people than others.
Really it is all about CHOICES.
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POSAKOSA1 (m)
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@ MyJoe, what a stupid and typical example from a Nigerian and how many people out of the 150 million+ that live in Nigeria have the family connection, to even make use of such family connections, you have to bribe and bribe and bribe,
Ill tell you this, i have met people who attended the most local grammar school in Nigeria and today have become doctors/professionals in various parts of the world and they are doing quite welll,
The only problems ALL IMMIGRANTS abroad face is that of paper <immigration status> hence affecting the standard of living for many, <don't just ask Nigerian illegals abroad, talk to the Mexicans and a host of other immigrants>
abeg carry go jor!
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MyJoe (m)
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@ MyJoe, you are very stupid. what a stupid and typical example from a Nigerian and how many people out of the 150 million+ that live in Nigeria have the family connection, to even make use of such family connections, you have to bribe and bribe and bribe,
Ill tell you this, i have met people who attended the most local grammar school in Nigeria and today have become doctors/professionals in various parts of the world and they are doing quite welll,
The only problems ALL IMMIGRANTS abroad face is that of paper <immigration status> hence affecting the standard of living for many, <don't just ask Nigerian illegals abroad, talk to the Mexicans and a host of other immigrants>
abeg carry go jor!
Oh dear! You sure have a strong way of putting your points across and perhaps a little problem comprehending. Good luck! |
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Abagworo (m)
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@topic.i'm maaaaaaaad @ those nigerians giving us bad name in the uk and other western countries.some of us just visit for holidays and tourism because we are rich.if any of those embassy staff gives me anymore insult,i swear i go nak am nak am nak am till im kpai.idiots.
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Honda29
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I left Nigeria for UK because I did not want to continue to live in a country ruled by known criminals, a country where the only winners are criminals, a country where even the law makers are known criminals, a country that has no roads, no water, no electricity, no government, infact a failed state. A country in which the bankers are thieves, the policemen (wetin u carry) are thieves, the evil servants are thieves, the politricians are thieves, the judges are thieves, the lawyers are thieves, the stockbrokers are crooked, the traders are thieves, the mechanics are crooked, the customs and immigration men are crooks, etc etc etc. I can go on and on and on. Dey no dey shame!!!!!!!
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