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Donzman (m)
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Drusilla, am I supposed to assume that all the celebs. who buy homes in the Carrbean are all in love with Jamaicans, Bahamians and co.?  They probably built a house in a vacation area in S. Africa where they can go and relax if need be. If the love Africa, they should erect a mansion in the Congo or something.  |
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Drusilla (f)
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I always say, Katrina was an eye opener to Black folks. Didn't even have a reed boat to go and rescue even one person. All African Americans felt that humiliation. We got a long way to go.
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Drusilla (f)
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James Brown is now being reported dead at the age of 73. Current news.
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Donzman (m)
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Yeah I heaed the news this morning on BBC World. R.I.P. Mr. Feelgood!
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Drusilla (f)
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4play,
I've read that before. It's old at least before 1998. What did you find interesting about it?
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JosBoy4Lif (m)
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Thanks 4 play
What I found interesting was the fact that we blacks people always try to separate each other.
It is time that we force as a cohesive group here and back home to produce a great synergy
You get people like 925 who are quick to say that he hates hausa people, nonsense to condemn hatred on an entire group
This is the root of our problem hatred needs to stop and security needs to be stablized back home
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Donzman (m)
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In 1990, the median household income of an African immigrant was $30,907, according to the Center for Research on Immigration Policy in Washington, D.C. That compares with $19,533 for black Americans. Africans who immigrate to the United States come largely from the educated middle class of their countries. The research center reports 47 percent are college graduated and 22 percent have a professional specialty. Only 14 percent of black Americans graduate from college. “Most of the friction between African people centers around the class issue,” Yeshitela says. He says when blacks and Africans fight over jobs, they are buying into a conspiracy to keep them at odds. “I don’t like the artificial separations that won’t allow the two of us to get together. It is not in our best interest to always be at each other’s throat.” Especially since the two groups are in the same boat now, Akbar says.
Is anyone surprised? The future of all black-skinned people centers in Africa. That is our birthright and someone else has it. The struggle we have to make lies in reclaiming what is rightfully ours.”
Stay where you dey ohh, I no want make person come dey claim my forefathers' land as his/her birthright. Na machete go take care of you accordingly!  |
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Sista (f)
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@Donzmanthey are buying into a conspiracy to keep them at odds. “ If you are highlighting the part you agree with, then you must agree wit this part as well because this would be the rout of what you highlighted.
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Donzman (m)
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I highlighted that because in a former thread, I think it was me and babyosisi, we were trying to tell you that Africans who come here tend to fare better. They have no time to blame anyone for their troubles, they just get down to work and make money.
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Sista (f)
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@DonzmanIf someone has been poor all of their life, of course they are going to work harder because they are trying to prove something to the people who finally gave them the so called opportunity to make it out of the poor house. C/A's have a different experience than AA's. AA's feel they don't have to prove anything, what you see is what you get. You and Babiosisi might find that offensive but that is just the way it is. AA's feel that their ancestors were duped big time hence descendants of African slaves were also very much cheated. AA's feel that is not fair. To AA's that is not an excuse, it just is. Now those same AA's , some of them are educated but still choose to live simple lives with out all of the hassle of trying to keep up. I mention that because Babiosis made a big fuss over the simple jobs like janitor, mail man etc.; Some of them like to be rich so they work very hard and then there is the some who are baby mamas and baby daddy's. No matter which group of AA's they fall into, they all know their ancestors were cheated hence descendants of African slaves were also cheated. The baby mama and baby daddy group of people you always conveniently bring up, you can't fairly compare AA's to C/A's because Nigeria alone in blacks outnumber A/A's. Again, comparing AA's to Nigerians is like comparing a continent to a village, it is not a fair comparison. Just like In Nigeria, you have more Nigerians who are poor than you have that are middle class or rich. The poor out do the rich in Nigeria. Baby Mama's and baby daddy's have nothing to do with the success of AA people. You are just not fair at all. You keep saying AA people make up excuses. It is not the fault of AA's that Nigerians happen to be more hungry than AA's so they have a better work performance which they are willing to show and prove. If I lived in Nigeria, and I had a chance to come to America to be able to feed me and my family, I would perform very good as well. Besides, I don't believe those numbers you presented. 
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Donzman (m)
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You might feel cheated but when you refuse to work hard in order to get to the top, because you feel you've been cheated then you're cheating noone but yourself. Baby Mama's and baby daddy's have nothing to do with the success of AA people. As much as you'll want to deny it, it does have alot to do with it. I have visitors over, I'll get back to this tomorrow or something. |
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Drusilla (f)
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Sista,
You have hit the nail on the head. We have different expectations.
Time magazine just in April had a cover of the fact that 30 percent of Americans do not graduate from school. And it is not who you think. They highlighted that it was all over from small white towns to white suburbs.
They showed some of the ways that whites fudged the numbers to make it seem as if their schools were graduating everybody.
It's not just African Americans who have no respect for education, who more or less take a wild wild west approach to life. It's all Americans.
Only 37 percent of whites go to college, only 22 percent of African Americans.
I think out of our top ten richest Americans, only one of them got their money related to college.
Some like Bill gates are college drop outs.
Look at what our eyes see: Jayz, Tupac, PDiddy, Diana Ross, Michael jackson, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Education is just not a route we think about as the only way out. We think more in terms of our personal talents and abilities also.
That is the American dream. Not to be working hard all your life for someone else.
People our getting out of the Ghetto with their baby mama's! Bobby Brown just had to pay 63,000 back child support for like a month. Pdiddy's ex found out what his recent ex was getting and called Pdiddy and Pdiddy volunteered the extra money. Didn't bother making his old girl from the hood -- his baby mama even go to court.
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Drusilla (f)
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Josboy4life,
I always think about the bible scripture: The Egyptians will turn one against another.
I wonder if it is possible for Blacks to stop turning one against another.
I think we turn against each other because we do not seem to have the ability to allow half the blacks to be democrats and the other half to be republicans.
People get upset at me for supporting Condileeza Rice and Collin Powell. Counting them as Black people doing good because they are not of my own political persuasion.
I think we all got different talents and abilities.
We don't forgive other tribes as we forgive ourselves. So to speak.
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superman (m)
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If someone has been poor all of their life, of course they are going to work harder because they are trying to prove something to the people who finally gave them the so called opportunity to make it out of the poor house .u think sista |
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Drusilla (f)
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If someone has been poor all of their life, of course they are going to work harder because they are trying to prove something to the people who finally gave them the so called opportunity to make it out of the poor house Superman, u think, if u spent hundreds of years thinking these people want to keep you in poor house. u would hardly be grateful or thankful to those motherphuckers. Rap started being tapes sold out of the back of people's trunk. We made our own oppourtunities. Oprah decided to keep it real like black people do, her crying and acting real from her ghetto roots, is what made her a billionaire. Grateful and thankful and trying to prove something to those who purposely wanted you to be a poor slave, then lynched, then without rights. Don't underestimate the ungratefulness we have for what some Africans seem to percieve as our great oppourtunities in America. And think we should be thankful to whites and see the niceness in them. We bust down our own doors out of poverty. |
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Drusilla (f)
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And please nobody confuse what I am saying. I am not trying to puff up in arrogance African Americans.
I am simply highlighting why there is this great difference in the way that AA and CA see things.
African Americans don't even get a free trip of Africa (Jews give all jewish children in America a FREE trip to Israel) and still have not recieved an apology, this despite that even President Bush had to admit that the Civil Rights movement was the second founding of America.
We are not really friends with white people. We ain't recieved nothing from them.
You think they gave us welfare?
1. The Gangs started with the idea of a breakfast program. Blackmen were organizing to save their families.
The Elites worried about Blackmen organizing.
2. They agreed to give blacks welfare only if the father was out of the home. Previous to 1965 from 1933 during the great depression when welfare was invented. Whites not only got welfare but the check came in the husband or man's name.
3. Welfare workers used to come out to your house and even check if you had a TV, to decide if you needed welfare and to check if you had male clothing and were hiding a male in the house.
Blackmen had no reason to organize around saving their black families because now they were out of the family (of course they at least pretended to leave or left and went and lived with their mama -- because we were too poor to turn down the new money and food and medical, stuff we never had.)
Thus the Elite in one strike, got rid of Blackmen out of the family and from organizing themselves.
And because of welfare bucks, this is why you see that the Black rate of marriage has actually dropped since the days of the civil rights movement.
The federal government made it mandatory that the male be gone.
Everything the whiteman gives comes with severe pain.
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Sista (f)
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@Drusilla
Not to mention the obvious pattern of AA people sense the time of slavery. AA people saw that it was quite easy to get out of working for the rest of your life as long as you knew how to entertain white people. Boxing started because white people saw to slave male niggers get into a fight, for white people watching two niggers fight was exciting therefore very profitable. White man always thinks of profit first. Any way, white slave masters began holding fighting matches where they would get together with their pet male niggers and make them fight like pit bulls while all the white slave masters would watch and make bets, it was a real profitable event. Any way, white men would not make their black male nigger slaves work the fields because he preferred his nigger to work on building his body from doing what boxers do today, run, jump rope, lift weights eat and rest, the fighter was given the best of the food. The master treated his black male slave fighter so called real good because he made him a lot of money. The fighting slave became very uppity but what he didn't realize was, he was still a slave.  Same thing goes for singing, white folks love a good black singer and white people saw it as enjoyment to see all those little field niggers singing spirituals. Another profitable event. If one white person had a choir of slaves who sang very well, he would charge other white people to come and see this event. White people did not know how to entertain their self, they always depended on black people to do that for them, they would even come to black people for counsel. White folks would get dressed up in their finest cloths and go to the fields to hear black people singing as they worked the fields. When those filed negroes saw that white people was enjoying them singing, you think they stopped? Nope, in fact they kept on singing song after song, until those white folks left. Black Americans have been told indirectly of course, if you don't want to work all of your life, you better be able to play ball, sing, act, make people laugh, or fight etc. You better have some type of talent they can exploit you of which will buy your way out of working for the rest of your life. Ball players don't get paid hardly as much as their slave owner, singers don't either. Especially black singers, actors comedians ball players etc. because they are not the ones managing their own money. It has been designed so that any type of work black people do, white people will profit the most from it
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Sista (f)
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@Drusilla1. The Gangs started with the idea of a breakfast program. Blackmen were organizing to save their families.
The Elites worried about Blackmen organizing. What about the drugs white people allowed to over flow black community's? People will say that white people did not force black people to sell those drugs but again, they do not know what AA people went through. How the drugs began to get sold in the black community is a long story but the point is, black people don't own shipping company's and airlines where they can ship drugs from other country's into their neighborhoods.
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Sista (f)
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@Supermanu think sista Unless you can think of another way.
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Drusilla (f)
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You think they gave us desegregation in schools?
First schools are still really segregated.
But let me tell you the story behind that.
Black teachers in the Black schools were promised they would go with their Black kids, as the segregated schools closed.
Black Teachers after all tested higher than white teachers in the country at that time.
Well the Black schools were closed and the black children were moved into white schools.
Immeadiately 30,000 (estimate cant remember exact number) Black Teachers were fired.
So now our kids were forced ALONE FAR AWAY IN WHITE SCHOOLS. The closed segregated schools were in Black neighborhoods. And we were poor and did not have ways to these schools.
So our teachers were fired, our kids were alone.
And white teachers FREAKED OUT at seeing BLACK KIDS. Of course a lot of them did not understand the extent of poverty, in the kids coming to school without what whites deemed proper clothing.
Also Black Children are naturally MUCH BIGGER than white kids.
Plus of course since some Black schools were only given outdated old white school books to learn from. The Black kids were behind the white kids.
White teachers alarmed just would pass the black kids learning nothing to the next grade. Because the kids were too BIG. Leave the not learning for the next teacher.
The Black Kid would just get further and further behind. Being passed along every year.
This is called "Social Passing". This is the reason we have Black high school graduates in America, who can not read and write.
Desegregation of the schools destroyed many Black Middle Class Teachers and Black Children at the same time.
Whites do not give Blacks oppoutunities without Pain. We just don't have that history with them.
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mamaput (f)
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would you not rather have sang than work in the plantation
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Drusilla (f)
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Sista, Black Americans have been told indirectly of course, if you don't want to work all of your life, you better be able to play ball, sing, act, make people laugh, or fight etc. Please think on this also. For 246 years, black slaves were told the boss, the good guy, the one in charge, is the one who is not commanded and does not work i.e. The Master. People talk about a terrible Black work ethic. Yeah and guess where we learned it? |
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Drusilla (f)
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Mamaput,
White people used to threaten other white people with going to jail, if they were caught with their runaway SINGING slave. They have old historical pictures of these Slave missing signs.
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mamaput (f)
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I know that , i have even seen some in books.
But a white slave owner could decide what to do with his slave .Not so?
If you my slave is with you that makes you a tif. Then that slave is my property.
But we are not talking about runaway slaves.But slaves that could do something others could not.
If you could sew very well would you not have been making fine dresses for the MRS than work on the farm
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Drusilla (f)
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Mamaput,
Exactly. Some slaves were so skilled, they went to their job in Town every day and worked for other white folks. Their wages went to their master back on the plantation.
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Drusilla (f)
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This is why it is super important to whites, that Black Americans just forget and get over Racism.
Because then it makes it appear that Blacks suddenly in 2006 are just evil.
No fathers in their home?
Blacks are just evil and have no values. It has nothing to do with that little federal requirement that fathers leave in 1965.
Blacks no work ethic?
Blacks are just evil and have no values, it has nothing to do with the fact that even until the 1960's, we kept them so broke and poor, that Black women used to stand on corners in Boston waiting for a white woman to select them to be their maid for 50 or a quarter.
Blacks don't value education?
Blacks are just evil and have no values. It has nothing whatsoever to do with us handicapping a whole black generation "social passing them", so they graduate as a joke, not even being able to read.
Their trying to prove that blacks are just evil and it is not related to their treatment of us.
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Sista (f)
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@DruysillaTheir trying to prove that blacks are just evil They are also trying to justify them putting those (to dumb to learn anything blacks) into slavery and exploiting the hell out of them. If all they are good for is working the fields and entertaining white people, let them do that if that is all they know how to do. @mamaputwould you not rather have sang than work in the plantation I would rather they have not been slaves at all. If black people wanted to sing and work in their own fields that belonged to them, they should have had that option. The point is, anything white people could exploit out of blacks that was profitable, that is what they did, exploit black people in ways that would profit white people, not black people. First white people exploited black people out of free labor, then white people saw that black people could sing so they exploited them out of their singing ability's. Then they saw black people were strong and could be used to fight against each other, so whites exploited blacks out of another way they could profit from blacks. The list goes on but I am sure you get the drift. All of that money white people made out of black people is infinity, it can never be paid back. Black exploitation and the death of Native Americans is what gave birth to America an all of the good America has to offer.
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Donzman (m)
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. . . And the point of these rantings is?
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Sista (f)
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I understand why C/A's suffer because they had the same oppressor as me an I am very familiar with the way of that oppressor.
If you don't understand the point by now, I must say that you are truly out of touch. There is nothing I can say or do to make you understand, the understanding has to already be in you. However, when you have been programmed to think that just because you do well, the whole world can do well and epically those in the US should do better, your heart will only see what your self righteousness wants you to see.
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Donzman (m)
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@Sista
Nobody is looking to keep you down, you get what you deserve. That's my life experience sis.!
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Sista (f)
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Nobody is looking to keep you down, you get what you deserve. That's my life experience sis. I guess C/A's deserved to be colonized and exploited because they didn't know shit any way. They deserved to be exploited out of their lands natural resources. I guess people in Africa with aids and those living in poverty deserve what they got as well. I feel real sorry for you Donzman. You to busy with your mind and eye's on profitting the dollar the white mans way that you are blind to everything else. If you think Sista is a lazy has been baby mama who does not have any means for taking care of her self because she complains, you are sadly mistaking. I complain for those who are not able to complain. Rich white people complain all of the time even though they are rich but I don't see you telling them they got what the deserved. Believe it or not, those baby mama's and those baby daddy's you talk about, they don't even think about White people and in fact they don't even complain about White people. They see their life as being just how things are. They are not aware but I am and that is why I complain for them. I complain for those unaware Africans who can not complain. I don't complain because I am looking for an easy way not to do better for my self, In fact I don't know one AA person who does that. We complain but that is not all we do. |
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