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pres-elect (m)
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its unbelievable how some people can spin a fact to support a foolish thing. correct me if i'm wrong, the justice of the peace is an elected official, right? or at least is a public official? and some dude here is maing an analogy with church marrying gays  . . church is a religious organisation, and freedom of religion guarantees them the right to wed those they deem fit. and church is not a public organisation, i.e it is independent of govt. the louisiana JP broke the law. he is supposed to marry them unless there is a legitimate reason for not doing so. he could have said he had a bad headache that day and it would be perfect . . but to openly flout inter-racial marriage as his excuse . . . . . . . . . . . that guy is daring. . . . . he broke the law. he broke US law based on supreme court judgement of I967 overturning a ban on inter-racial marriages. the JP is paid by the tax payer, unlike the churches who thrive on donations from members. but anyway, this argument, like all arguments in nairaland, would lead nowhere b/c some ''sick puppies'' here are satisfactorily deluded. |
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Tayo-D (m)
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@pres-elect, and some dude here is maing an analogy with church marrying gays . . church is a religious organisation, and freedom of religion guarantees them the right to wed those they deem fit. and church is not a public organisation, i.e it is independent of govt. I'm the only one on the forum so far who has made such an analogy. I can see that you are not only misinformed but you are a coward. You obviously have no clue what US laws are regarding issues like this,. It would have been wise to keep quiet rather than reveal your ignorance. If this was a matter of law, can you please tell us what law the guy has broken? Why isn't he being sued? Use your head for once and stop depending on junk news websites that support your misinformed and biased notions. If you have the ability to use your head, you will know that a religious organization can lose its tax-free status if discrimination can be proven, in this case racial discrimination or as in the hypothetical case I mentioned, sexual orientation discrimination. And another thing for you to think of. Would the JP be right to refuse to preside over any marriage on the basis of religious conviction even though the law permits such relationships? Is religious freedom limited only to religious organizations or valid for personal cases too? Let's see how well you think here. |
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pres-elect (m)
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@pres-elect,
I'm the only one on the forum so far who has made such an analogy. I can see that you are not only misinformed but you are a coward.
You obviously have no clue what US laws are regarding issues like this,. It would have been wise to keep quiet rather than reveal your ignorance. If this was a matter of law, can you please tell us what law the guy has broken? Why isn't he being sued? Use your head for once and stop depending on junk news websites that support your misinformed and biased notions.
If you have the ability to use your head, you will know that a religious organization can lose its tax-free status if discrimination can be proven, in this case racial discrimination or as in the hypothetical case I mentioned, sexual orientation discrimination.
And another thing for you to think of. Would the JP be right to refuse to preside over any marriage on the basis of religious conviction even though the law permits such relationships? Is religious freedom limited only to religious organizations or valid for personal cases too? Let's see how well you think here.
then the JP would be wise to state that for religious reasons he wont do it. and a church that is worth its salt will be ready to loose the tax-free status to defend its principles. anyway, the analogy with church and gay marriage is stupid, senseless and can only come from a goat or something slightly less intelligent than a goat. i was just reading post after post without realy looking at the posters. if i knew you made such imbecilic analogy, i would not have commented on it. b/c u are professionally skilled at maintaining baseless arguments which i wont like to degrade myself into. |
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2Legit2Qui
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unfortunate thinking all over the place.
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muffins (f)
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What were they thinking, how can they marry someone someone with the same gender?  |
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Tayo-D (m)
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@pres-elect,
Why am I not surprised you don't read to understand issues nor are you patient enough to take the time to know and verify sources before spitting out your putrid statements. Its very typical of mind numb robots like you.
I can see that you have wisely for once side-stepped the other issues I mentioned because you have no clue. Please keep it that way. An ignoramus is sometimes taken to be informed if he keeps quiet.
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Kobojunkie
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But the above does not even make sense, neither is it connected in anyway to this argument. You would need to rephrase, in fact re organize the above for to help me understand what the connection is, to the current discussion. But just for the sake of it, Obama as a person has many personal beliefs he, as a man, will be UNWILLING TO go against. That you currently do not know of them does not mean he does not have em. He is likely to tell you of it and give it as reason why he would be unwilling to cross a particular boundary as a person, when confronted. Most folks have em, religious or non. Now, please take time to read the article, and then read your post above and maybe then, you will probably understand why it is not only irrational, but disconnected in so many ways. |
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tpia.
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so - would you call a pastor/registrar tribalist if he refused to marry a yoruba and an ibo because 'mixed tribe marriages don't last?'
at this stage, given the state of nigeria where countless so called intertribal unions have been going on since infinity with nothing to show for it besides unending tribal wars, anyone who refuses to marry such a couple, wont get any condemnation from me. |
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adconline (m)
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Wrong. It is NOT HIS Court, It is the people's court. He is only one of judges who works there; he is just another Judge in the court. If He cannot do it, there are others who can. Sort of like when you go to the DMV. If the one cannot speak Spanish, they get you another who can.
Since its not his court, he cannot do as he chooses. What if a police refuses to respond to a 911 call because you have got an accent?Maybe he feels that illegals are enjoying free services where they do not belong? It seems that some of us do not understand the meaning of racism or we are defending indefensibles. If you do a favor to someone by helping him or her get a job/position he/sh is not suposed to get without your favor, then it's called favoritism, so when a judgement is delivered based entirely on race its called racism.
As per the racist having black friends, Strum Thurmond had a black child with a black woman even though he resisted desegregation at all costs. Ted Hargard was opposed to gays but patronised gay prostitutes.
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Kobojunkie
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Since its not his court, he cannot do as he chooses? The man did not do as he chose, he simply explained he could not marry them and referred them to someone else who could. It is just marrying people for crying out loud, it was not like he was to perform life saving surgery on them and he refused or something. lol
If a policeman refuses to respond to a 911 call? Is marriage now to be compared to surgery? See me see Parallels ooo!!! Racism? Favoritism? na wa ooo!!
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pres-elect (m)
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this is not just about marriage. this is a public official refusing to do his duty b/c of some racial bias. what if a police officer refuses to respond to a 9-II call b/c of an accent, and says he is not under an obligation to answer to every call from every race. if he says that is what he believes and refers the caller to another police officer.
in 2009, a public official paid by the tax payer denies public services to a couple b/c they are of different races. and someone thinks it is all right. i dont even know why i am debating this issue.
so a US marine can refuse a call up b/c the president in black. after all he is under no obligation to serve a black commander-in-chief. the president can call up another marine.
anyway, life goes on. thank God the guys got married somewhere else and are happy. the JP now has to answer some guestions, i hear gov jindal is under pressure to do something about this. we'll see how it plays out in louisiana law.
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redsun (m)
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That mr bardwell should be called justice of madness not of the peace.In an idle world,that man is crazy and he should be controlled,yet he sees to the faith and destinies of normal people.And there are millions of people like him in american with high profile responsibilities,ie bill o'reily.Dangerous
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Ikomi (m)
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@pres-elect,
I'm the only one on the forum so far who has made such an analogy. I can see that you are not only misinformed but you are a coward.
Ohhhhhhhh will you shut up, cant you for once argue your baseless points constructively. Take a quee from Kobojunkie and bawomolo, they argue on different sides without throwing insult, your first response was to call someone a coward. Okay : TayoD TayoD TayoD TayoD TayoD TayoD TayoD TayoD TayoD TayoD TayoD TayoD If I had written your name 1 million times how does that depict bravery? My friend would you learn to argue constructively or please shut up for the sake of Zues.  I don tire for this guy on this forum I swear. |
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pres-elect (m)
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lol . . . . one of the first signs of lack of argumentative ability is cursing well, when i'm a victim, i dont hesitate to repay . . . . . tayo is a coward.  . . . yep, i said it , Tayo D, you are a coward  come and kill me  anyway, back to topic, the JP is an idiot. imagine having black friends being an explanation for not being racist. he allows them to use his bathroom blacks don suffer |
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Tayo-D (m)
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@Ayhatollah Ikomi,
I can see you are back here to spread your usual misinformation. In addressing the issue of me calling pres-elect a coward, you conveniently left out a very important point - he started the name calling. But of course, the truth here is an irritating inconvenience to your assumed position. That explains why you chose to ignore it altogether.
May your reign as the Ayatollah of misinformation on nairaland know no end!
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Tayo-D (m)
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@pres-elect, lol . . . . one of the first signs of lack of argumentative ability is cursing
well, when i'm a victim, i dont hesitate to repay . . . . . tayo is a coward. . . . yep, i said it , Tayo D, you are a coward Are you deluded or just plain stupid? So calling people "sick puppies" is a compliment in your deranged mind? That I hit you back twice as hard is now reason for you to claim a victim mentality! Don't start what you can't finish. I have no time for hypocrites like you! |
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davidylan (m)
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@pres-elect,
Are you deluded or just plain stupid? So calling people "sick puppies" is a compliment in your deranged mind?
That I hit you back twice as hard is now reason for you to claim a victim mentality! Don't start what you can't finish. I have no time for hypocrites like you!
good ol' Tayo . . . back in business. |
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Tayo-D (m)
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good ol' Tayo . . . back in business. Don't mind that hypocrite called pres-elect. If only he will look in the mirror and examine his own actions before accusing other people. He's such a joke. |
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pres-elect (m)
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good ol' Tayo . . . back in business. @tayo D i never knew you are well know in nairaland for name calling. and i thot you were responsible  phew |
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sage (m)
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sad that such ignorance exists today. And people there is no such thing as different races, just divisions ignorant people invented a few centuries ago.
All humans are by and large the same. This clown should be fired and sent back to the 16th century
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morpheus24
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I am not worried about the man's ideologies. If he doesn't want to marry them thats fine with me.
However we will win this war regarding the concept of "RACE". There is a whole army of us out there and we will defeat these RELICS.
The neanderthals will face a second round of extinction
OUR VOICES WILL BE MADE THE LOUDEST!!!!!
How is that for an IGNORANT statement
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morpheus24
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By the way can someone define Inter-racial marriges for me, Because it seems to me this buffon Judge interprets it as being one between a Black person and a white person.
I guess he wouldn't marry
A japanese and a white person
AN iranian and a White person?
A pacific islander and a black person?
An indian and a white person?
A native American and a black person?
An Afro brazilian and a white person?
An indonesian and a chinese person?
An African and an Egyptian?
FOOLISHNESS I tell you!!
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Ikomi (m)
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By the way can someone define Inter-racial marriges for me, Because it seems to me this buffon Judge interprets it as being one between a Black person and a white person.
I guess he wouldn't marry
A japanese and a white person
AN iranian and a White person?
A pacific islander and a black person?
An indian and a white person?
A native American and a black person?
An Afro brazilian and a white person?
An indonesian and a chinese person?
An African and an Egyptian?
FOOLISHNESS I tell you!!
LOL You are the man, very good explanation. TayoD when would you learn some sence, why dont you listen to the likes of bawomolo and morpheus24 it would be to you greatest advantage beyond your wildest dreams. Instead of always trying to ram in your baseless, non-coherent arguments with insults. And on top of it you would say you are thinking out of the box. If actually thinking out of the box is the expression that explains your views, please start thinking within the box.  Infact your case is becoming pathethic. |
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JeSoul (f)
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you guys are still at it? I was thinking . . . many of the people - both black and white - crying foul at the JOP, they themselves flinch when they see an inter-racial couple, they are not overly accepting of it . . . I would know. |
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pres-elect (m)
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no, jesoul,
you are wrong. interracial unions are very common. infact there are places u'll go to in london and it looks like every person is of mixed race birth. it is very common.
initially i used to hate it when i see black girls with white men, b/c i though the men were just using the girls (as some black guys use white girls) but i've come to understand that some of these men love our sisters and if that is the case, why not? let them be.
i dated an 'indian' from mauritius b4, no big deal. we were of different races and it was ok, the relationship fell apart for reasons other than race.
no, no big deal dating people of other races or even marrying them.
i thought u had a white guy? am i wrong?
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morpheus24
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no, jesoul,
you are wrong. interracial unions are very common. infact there are places u'll go to in london and it looks like every person is of mixed race birth. it is very common.
initially i used to hate it when i see black girls with white men, b/c i though the men were just using the girls (as some black guys use white girls) but i've come to understand that some of these men love our sisters and if that is the case, why not? let them be.
i dated an 'indian' from mauritius b4, no big deal. we were of different races and it was ok, the relationship fell apart for reasons other than race.
no, no big deal dating people of other races or even marrying them.
i thought u had a white guy? am i wrong?
There are no races in this world. There are only Human populations. The concept of race is a social construct. Race denotes different destinies, different species with diverging directions to different ends. If people choose to marry each other based on same cultural affinities, skin color or hair color that is fine however opposition to the reverse based on any thing other than reasonable arguements is stupid. In this case the judge argued probem with children of such unions. Is this a reasonable arguement. I think not? Why because either parents communities do not necessarily have to accept the child. He/She has a world community of like people who will embrace them. Flawed arguement= under cover neaderthal racist Ideology Why don't dogs have different races as well preselect their mating partners based on likeness.? |
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Ikomi (m)
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There are no races in this world. There are only Human populations. The concept of race is a social construct. Race denotes different destinies, different species with diverging directions to different ends.
If people choose to marry each other based on same cultural affinities, skin color or hair color that is fine however opposition to the reverse based on any thing other than reasonable arguements is stupid. In this case the judge argued probem with children of such unions. Is this a reasonable arguement. I think not?
Why because either parents communities do not necessarily have to accept the child. He/She has a world community of like people who will embrace them.
Flawed arguement= under cover neaderthal racist Ideology
Why don't dogs have different races as well preselect their mating partners based on likeness.?
We have argued something related to this before. For those who might want to read the conversation, especially TayoD http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-248669.0.htmlWhen it comes to this topic the man morpheous24 knows exactly what he is talking about. |
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morpheus24
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@ ikomi Bros I still remember that arguement. I have been following up on that research for a while. we are all here to exchange ideas and hopefull become wiser. PEACE! |
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adconline (m)
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Since its not his court, he cannot do as he chooses? The man did not do as he chose, he simply explained he could not marry them and referred them to someone else who could. It is just marrying people for crying out loud, it was not like he was to perform life saving surgery on them and he refused or something. lol
If a policeman refuses to respond to a 911 call? Is marriage now to be compared to surgery? See me see Parallels ooo!!! Racism? Favoritism? na wa ooo!!
It seems you do not have an inkling of what paralles are. He refused to marry someone because of their skin color period. It's not his sweat shop but a state court. His job function is to marry folks period, his opinions are not needed. Its only a court of law can say otherwise. There is no legal precedent for his actions, rather there is a Supreme court ruling against his actions. Does every 911 call lead to surgery? Imgine if a police officer refuses your call and refers it to "someone else"? Even though your friend posited that interracial marriages dont work . Folks like this racist is a gold mine for lawyers. They go about looking for people like him in HR depts .
As per racism and favoritism, this man is as ignorant as some us are cos his action was outlawed by Supreme Court in 1967 loving vs virginia. It sounds like Bob Jones University that prevented interracial dating
Business owners like pharmacy shops have some privileges. For your information a shop owner has the right to detain you if sh/e has reasonable cause to believe that you are shoplifting, its called shopkeeper's privilege but the same law is against false imprisonment.
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JeSoul (f)
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no, jesoul,
you are wrong. interracial unions are very common. infact there are places u'll go to in london and it looks like every person is of mixed race birth. it is very common. Maybe in London. But here in the Northeast the tune is a lil different. initially i used to hate it when i see black girls with white men, b/c i though the men were just using the girls (as some black guys use white girls) but i've come to understand that some of these men love our sisters and if that is the case, why not? let them be. I agree. I was just saying that many of the heads suddenly adopting an all-inclusive attitude have themselves shied away from interacial couples/marriage. i dated an 'indian' from mauritius b4, no big deal. we were of different races and it was ok, the relationship fell apart for reasons other than race. Mauritius? lol that one far from naija boy no, no big deal dating people of other races or even marrying them.
i thought u had a white guy? am i wrong? uhm I will plead the 5th on that one. |
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