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alabiyemmy (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #64 on: January 05, 2007, 12:25 PM »

What I mean by ridding Nairaland of abusive words is because, it is quite the norm here that when you make a comment and someone doesnt agree with it, then the next thing is for people to use abusive words like "stupid, stupidity, stupor, stupendous etc" It is not necessary to abuse someone just because he/she disagrees with you or just because you disagree with their position. Calling someones idea stupid is in my opinion, unwarranted.
waleleader (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #65 on: January 05, 2007, 01:09 PM »

@alabiyemmy,
Jesus christ gave his life to rid the world of sin, but sin has multiplied much more since then. Rid Nairaland of idiots? i don't think so
question (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #66 on: January 05, 2007, 01:21 PM »

@Lagbaja,
You are just trying to raise dust with this post,
It depends, if you have better prospects outside Najia,  ride on brother,  No shaking.

But, If no serious plans ,  mennnnn there is no place like Naija.
This is the best country in the world.
if you love your wife and life, stay in Naija and keep making your millions.
You don't know what you have until you lose it.

Meanwhile, lets share some of your millions(, again if you are serious.)
waleleader (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #67 on: January 05, 2007, 01:23 PM »

@question, bwoy your username is wacky-o , lol
stellose (f)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #68 on: January 05, 2007, 02:30 PM »

hi all , lets be fair to one another ,

abusive words is never right or good enough to use on one another
alabi ,don't let that put you off ok lets be matured.

Grin
adconline (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #69 on: January 05, 2007, 05:16 PM »

15 million is  alot of money anywhere to be thrown into a dumpster for a greener pasture. I believe that you are already making it unless you want to make yellow pasture. Stay put in Naija where you don't have to be a second class citizen. You can call the shot in Naija. You cannot make that amount of money when you leave Naija because its not easy to be an entrepreneur abroad
Good luck
alabiyemmy (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #70 on: January 05, 2007, 07:16 PM »

There are so many reasons why someone will want to move abroad, I had a thriving business in Nigeria before coming abroad, not to sweep gutters but to build on what I had, got a Masters degree and got more experience and exposure to the best in the IT and Information Systems field where I major, now after four year, it is enough to go back home, so it is not totally a mistake to say you move abroad despite all you have, it becomes a mistake when u stay put and don't realise when it is enough time to go back home.

Yes, you can be here and earn £4000 per month, it is not an impossibility, second class citizen or not.
adconline (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #71 on: January 05, 2007, 09:50 PM »

Lets make a distinction here. If you earn 4000 pounds every month, what's your take home after tax?  How many  people really earn 4k in the UK with a minimum wage of less than 6 Pounds? You have to  tell the guys that he MUST go to college to be OK. He is going to work for someone who is going to be his boss.
Right now he owns his business, goes to work whenever he wants. Freedom is the key here. I have a brother who is  in his twenties but does not want to live outside Naija. He is a graduate and has a flourishing business.
The One (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #72 on: January 05, 2007, 10:12 PM »

I don't know why folks ask these questions with obvious answers. I said "obvious" because it's certain that Lagbaja doesn't have a definite plan of what he'll be doing abroad. My own advise is this : Keep what you have as I don't think 50% of the population in the UK that I know about very well earn up to 15 million naira (equivalent). Or do you have a definite business plan or job that you want to move on to? Do you have the necessary 'pali'. Ol boy, make I no decieve you, it's only when you're not doing well in Nigeria that you'll be hankering about relocating abroad. Life hard abroad no be lie!!!

Again, when we talk about good future, what do we mean? I thought good future means being able to assure yourself of your long term sustainability. In truth, I personally believe that I can attain to my future targets in terms of financial stability/inependence earlier in Nigeria. I say this because I earn money comparable to what I'll earn in the same job abroad here in Nigeria. So issues of tax and living expenses and stuff now come in. You cannot compare naija to Europe or America when it comes to that. You can comfortably afford to save and invest 50% of your pay in Nigeria but you fit try am for UK?

I personally know people here that say that if they get a job paying 300k a month in Nigeria, they'll be in Naija in 24 hours. Please let's stop painting the picture as if it's all rosy abroad. t this same UK that the government published that more than 100,000 children will spend winter in unheated homes because their parents cannot afford heating.

FINAL WORD: Dem no dey tell blind man say war don start ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Ndipe (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #73 on: January 05, 2007, 10:16 PM »

I would choose 15 million Naira a year in Nigeria over 4000 pounds a month in London. London is notorious for high taxes.
4 Play (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #74 on: January 05, 2007, 10:20 PM »

@Labgaja

Stay in Nigeria and if your wife still pesters u ,dump her

Seriously unless u have a well thought out project u want to implement abroad,I don't see why u should leave a thriving biz at home
papa D (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #75 on: January 06, 2007, 02:01 AM »

hey bro,if when i was in naija,i was making 10% of your annual income i wouldnt have being in usa.u better stay your butt at home and expand your business more.u can let madam visit uk and usa anytime she want to. Cool Smiley Cheesy
ell77 (f)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #76 on: January 06, 2007, 05:30 PM »

People who move abroad, do so often to gain something that is not available to them in Naija.
You have money, alot of money, supposing you are saving it well what is the reason your wife wants to move to London? Is it to do shakara? If you are the one who is bringing in the dough then your opportunities need to be assessed. 15 million naira is £60,000, average house price in london is £350,000 to buy. Do you have that (88 million naira?). You can probably buy a 2 bed flat for about £150,000 (40 million naira), but the area you will live in will not compare to the tourist spots you frequent when on holiday. Your children will go to school in the area of your property yes education is free but there are restrictions so if you buy your 40 million naira house the school your kids go to will probably be in a problem school. There are various other factors council tax roughly £2000 per year for home owners. Road tax, congestion charge (if you plan to drive - don't know prices) or public transport for roughly £1500 per year etc etc. It even depresses me to talk about it.

In my opinion send your children to university here and if you can aford it boarding school. You and your wife can come collect your kids every holiday. Over time maybe you will buy a house here but never let go of what you have in nigeria. Businesses often fail in Naija without the supervision of owners which is true in most countries, so it would be hard for you to live here constantly and hold on to your business unless you visit home regularly but holiday's here are often 25 days at the maximum. Will you use every day of that in Naija? Well if I was you I would tell my wife to forget it. If you were a single man you may have nothing to lose. But unless you have a job offer lined up here that pays you £40,000 which is what I think is the minimum you need for you and your family to be comfortable as your wife will probably not want to work, you should stay there like my2cents suggested many people are able to keep one foot abroad and one foot in Naija. That is what I plan to do when I make some dough for a business and home in Naija.
LoverBwoy (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #77 on: January 06, 2007, 05:40 PM »

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what is the reason your wife wants to move to London? Is it to do shakara?

Yes now, we are nigerians we like to do shakara and talk about the N14million naira house we bought in Lekki  Cheesy

ell77 (f)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #78 on: January 06, 2007, 07:01 PM »

Quote from: LoverBwoy on January 06, 2007, 05:40 PM
Yes now, we are nigerians we like to do shakara and talk about the N14million naira house we bought in Lekki Cheesy



lol.  Grin
The One (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #79 on: January 06, 2007, 07:03 PM »

@ Loverbwoy

My Guy,

Na wa for you o!!! Is it because I simply pointed out that peolple still make the standard of living you guys claim to have in the west here in Nigeria that you are alluding to shakara? If I no give example now you go say na hear-say. I give example finish you say na shakara.

Anyway, let me apologize. I no dey chop for 3 days at a time for naija o Smiley Smiley I dey work for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week and them no dey pay me for 3 months !!!:) Smiley.

Abi? No be the kind of things you dey like to hear from naija be that?Huh

Admit it, it's an individual thing!! What works for you might not work for others. That's the thrust of my argument.

I REST MY CASE!!!!!!!(finito)
adconline (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #80 on: January 07, 2007, 12:31 AM »

Let us remember that N14 million house in Lekki was paid in  full  with no mortgage.  As of 300,000 pounds that will be paid in 30 years.  A home owner is Naija is a real landlord while a home owner  abroad is still a renter until he/she pays off.
1forall (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #81 on: January 07, 2007, 12:53 AM »

Me thinks this thread has been flogged through and through and Mr lagbaja, you should have reached a decision making point by now. If after all these you still havent, see your doctor!
LoverBwoy (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #82 on: January 07, 2007, 05:16 AM »

Quote from: adconline on January 07, 2007, 12:31 AM
Let us remember that N14 million house in Lekki was paid in full with no mortgage. As of 300,000 pounds that will be paid in 30 years. A home owner is Naija is a real landlord while a home owner abroad is still a renter until he/she pays off.

ask the owner of the N14mila house please, na wa o

why are Nigerian estate agents/banks introducing mortgages? it make sense duh!


The one
its not about what i like to hear its about the fact, apparently some people in naija don't recognize the average man
oh and yes its an individual thing, some people like to build mansions in muddy villages
bigrovar (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #83 on: January 07, 2007, 07:53 AM »

give my your biz in nigeria then travell to anywhere u want, people don't value what they have until they lose it
hayprof (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #84 on: January 07, 2007, 08:00 AM »

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give me your biz in nigeria then travell to anywhere u want
-See your Mouth You go like FREE Grin Grin



@topic: Do whateva your heart desires Its your Life Lips sealed
The One (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #85 on: January 07, 2007, 10:35 AM »

How to be an American
By Ose Oyamendan from Los Angeles (oseoyamendan@alumni.usc.edu)
Sunday, November 5, 2006

"Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves."
Albert Einstein

I used to think that I will write this as part of a satirical book but my life is taking on courses that sitting down to write a book is something I might have to do much later in life. And, the way life is these days, it may be a long time. Have you noticed that the "old" folks don’t really look or walk old these days? Or, that the pension fund is in for a serious problem soon because people are staying around longer than the planners thought, that is, if we really have planners. People are living longer.

Just the other day, I was lifting weights in the gym and the man next to me was benching 120 pound weights. I thought out of courtesy and bravado, I should outdo him. You see, the man looked like he was in his late fifties. That’s a little under twice my age. So, I went for twice the weight. He did five repetitions. I did ten. He stood up and stretched his muscles. I grabbed a 60 pound weight and flexed my muscles with it, just for effect. We were not talking but we were competing alright. Because of my build, the man thought I played or still play American football or basketball. I said no, the only sport I played professional was sitting in the stands and heckling the professionals. He told me he played football in college - in the late 1950s. And, he was a few months from turning 70. I was shocked – one, that he was that old, fit and strong and, two; if I’d known he was that old, I could have done triple what he did. And, I would have been in hospital about now having my shoulder surgically re-fixed.

Anyway, since the older folks are staying around longer, I figured I should just write this now because if I don’t, God knows you may never read it because I don’t plan on writing a column when I’m a retiree in Florida or wherever they go when I’m old enough to retire. The tale has to do with how to be an American. And, since a lot of Nigerians want to come to America or be like Americans, I figure they might get a crash course. It’s a course I gleaned from years of watching and listening to wannabe Americans – so called because they are immigrants who think they are more American than the natives.

The first thing you learn is to talk American. You have to use the slang, like "want to", "going to", "gotta" and the others. Now, that was tough for someone like me. In high school, I almost always avoided writing my father letters from the boarding house because he saved them for when I came home on holidays and pointed out all my grammatical errors. Sometimes, my holiday started with grammar lessons. I hated doing that and I wasn’t about to do it now. So, I passed but most people don’t. The next thing is the way you talk. People try to hide their accents like a bad scent. It cracks me up because everyone had an accent. But, it’s like most Nigerians here are ashamed of their accents or where they come from so they hurry to speak like Americans. Now, America is also a country of accents so these new and old immigrants end up as fake as two badly done boob jobs. You can hear them from a distance.

They roll the "t" in their speeches so bad sometimes you can’t help but laugh. Sometimes, when they speak, they make you feel like you have a hearing defect because their voices are so alien. The weird thing is that by trying too hard, they return to where they are trying to run from – the Nigerian in their accents become more pronounced. The funny thing though is that if they had only relaxed and gone with the flow, their accents would blend with the other accents.

Another thing is that everyone works. Hard. People keep two, three jobs just to get by. And, forget it when the fall season rolls in. They work like crazy saving that extra cash they’re taking to Nigeria come Christmas. They slave here for a few months so they can go back to Nigeria and live like royalty for a fortnight.
Try as much as I have, I still can’t figure out why people go through so much pain to pretend they are who they are not. Maybe it’s the lazy part of me. I’m a filmmaker living in Los Angeles so my routine is hardly considered hard work. I wake up, work out, meet a few creative folks for tea or lunch, write and do some post production work. And, when night rolls in, I sometimes feel I’ve gone twelve rounds with Mike Tyson in 1990. So, when I see these guys working three jobs so they can be Kings in December, I wonder if I’m less of a human. Or, maybe it’s just because I never want to be a prince in December.

One of the things they don’t tell you but you come to realize is that everything is on "hire purchase" or on loan. A house is financed by the bank and you pay it off monthly while the bank gets fat on the interest. Same goes for cars and anything you want. It explains why in the glitzy world of showbiz and sports, a rich man today is a poor man tomorrow. What happens usually is that when these folks have the big cash, they just keep spending until one day they go to the bank and find out that the thirty million dollars’ contract they signed a few years ago is all gone. Worse, they might have forgotten to pay all their taxes, in which case, they either go cool off their heels in jail for a while or make an arrangement whereby future earnings goes to paying off their back taxes. Confused? Just take a quick study into the case of Mr. Mike Tyson.

As a Nigerian, you’re used to paying for all you own. I love that system and I still try to live like that. But, it’s tough. My friends still laugh when they remember how I bought my first car. Back then, I was counting pennies. I went to the dealer and picked out a car. The cost was in low five figures. When they added up the numbers, I would be repaying the car by about seventy percent more over four years. I took a good look at my account and told the dealers I’ll be back in three months. My friends thought I was nuts.

They told me it was the American way to be a debtor. But, back then, my skin was as Nigerian as the bar beach. So, three months, countless hours of labor and several material deprivations later, I returned to the dealership with a check. They also thought I was nuts. And, they didn’t believe I had that much money. They could tell I wasn’t a drug dealer because I had no earrings or tattoos or any of those bad boy tell-tale signs. I even told one of the customer service guys to put out his cigarette because it affects my breathing. But, they won’t take the check. So, I went to the bank, cleaned out my account, put the money in a gym bank and went back to the dealer.

The bankers thought I was going cuckoo. The dealers were sure I was cuckoo. They had only experienced that from sports and showbiz stars. The closest I came to being a star was sitting in the bleachers at a Chicago Bulls game. They can’t take that much cash, they said. They wanted a certified check. So, I went back to the back, deposited the money again and asked for a certified check. I’m sure I went through so many security checks for such irrational behavior. But, I had nothing to fear. So, I gave the dealers the check. When I drove off with the car, the dealers didn’t know if to say "thank you" or "goodbye" so they just waved.

Was I nuts? Maybe. But, the system is funny. You can be paying for the car for three years but default with only a few months to go and they take the car from you. You go from a car owner to a bus regular. I didn’t want to that to happen so I went with my heart, sweat and wallet.
When you look around, it’s not uncommon to find folks who go from a 2006 car to a 1989 beat up car because they couldn’t afford the payment and had to tumble into ignominy with a car on its last breath. It’s not a big deal, really – it is America. And, like one of my friends would say, "wharever, men". The "wharever" is the way he rolls "whatever" around his tongue.

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

galatico (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #86 on: January 07, 2007, 04:08 PM »

I won't even advise my enemy to do that that would be suicidal if you have a bright Career here in Nigeria then why travel abraod to start a life of uncertainity???
fatliar (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #87 on: January 07, 2007, 05:11 PM »

         @ bigrovar               
               Greatest lasuates una don start again to pay 4 bus na problem  na person biz u wan collect for free now omila  great how manny people they don pia now wetin be scores




cool4ny (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #88 on: January 07, 2007, 09:06 PM »

Nairalanders, please,pleaseand please leave this topic, i believe there are more important issues we can all discuss and contribute intelligently, i believe the topic is a sham. 

Check this Out:

If you are smart enough to make 15M PROFIT in niaja, you should be smart enough to know what is happening around the world. You don't have to be a genius to know that it is practically impossible to make that kind of money within a short period in UK(i encourage anybody to challenge me on that).

If you are truly making the money in Nigeria then you must smart and i don't think your girlfriend should talk you into thinking about moving.

cool4ny (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #89 on: January 07, 2007, 09:28 PM »

@alabiyemmy

"There are so many reasons why someone will want to move abroad, I had a thriving business in Nigeria before coming abroad, not to sweep gutters but to build on what I had, got a Masters degree and got more experience and exposure to the best in the IT and Information Systems field where I major, now after four year, it is enough to go back home, so it is not totally a mistake to say you move abroad despite all you have, it becomes a mistake when u stay put and don't realise when it is enough time to go back home."

1.Kindly tell us what kind of business u were into before coming abroad.
2.Why did u leave your "thriving" business to come abroad
3.What kind of job were you doing when u got abroad since you said you didn't sweep gutters.
4. Sir, why did u wait for four years before thinking of going back since you are abroad "only" for the experience and exposure.

Yes, you can be here and earn £4000 per month, it is not an impossibility, second class citizen or not.

Agreed u can make £4000/mth.

I think we should be realistic and tell eachother the truth. If our brother in niaja is about to make a great mistake, please let us tell him and stop rasing his hopes in vain. I have been in Uk for a while and i hve done my own share of business and odd jobs. Today we thank God for his mercy.
1forall (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #90 on: January 07, 2007, 10:03 PM »

Mr lagbaja youve managed to keep mum all along and I don't think thats fair given the apparent sweat people have put into your thread, or are you confused?

Quote from: cool4ny on January 07, 2007, 09:06 PM
Nairalanders, please,pleaseand please leave this topic, i believe there are more important issues we can all discuss and contribute intelligently, i believe the topic is a sham.

Then you go on and write two posts?!

Quote from: cool4ny on January 07, 2007, 09:06 PM
If you are truly making the money in Nigeria then you must smart and i don't think your girlfriend should talk you into thinking about moving.

Its his wife, not girlfriend!
cintia (f)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #91 on: January 08, 2007, 06:16 PM »

Mr lagbaja,don't make a mistake you will live to regret.

since you make such amount of money here in Nigeria
why don't you just see how you can promote your business
.If those abroad can sincere tell you what they are passing
through,you will know the reason why Nigeria is the best.
finally,don't allow the pleasure your wife is putting on you
destroy your carear.Goodluck
alabiyemmy (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #92 on: January 08, 2007, 08:13 PM »

@ cool4ny

I am not into replying direct questions aimed at me, but I choose to answer a few of yours, even though some have already been said in my comment, and beside, we will be speaking off topic if I answer tham, but listen.

1.Kindly tell us what kind of business u were into before coming abroad.

I was into information systems

2.Why did u leave your "thriving" business to come abroad

Like I said, I got a Shell/Chevening scholarship to do an Msc in Information Systems in the UK.

3.What kind of job were you doing when u got abroad since you said you didn't sweep gutters.

I worked in IT.

4. Sir, why did u wait for four years before thinking of going back since you are abroad "only" for the experience and exposure.

Simple, I go home twice a year during that period and after one year of study, I had been wise enough to start consulting for businesses in Nigeria.

So four years on, I have my own IT/Information Systems consulting firm on Allen and servicing not only Nigerian firms, but international firms as well.

Like I said, there are so many reasons why you may want to move abroad. Not only when things arent rosy at home.

Beleive me.

You don't have to pose questions or comment to me, just post it generally.
newintexas
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #93 on: January 12, 2007, 03:16 AM »

[b][/b]IS THIS GUY FOR REAL. OR JUST TRYING TO BE ANNOYING BY ASKING SUCH A QUESTION Undecided
venusmaze
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #94 on: January 12, 2007, 03:30 AM »

I say stay where your star shines the brightest. Goodluck
9ja4eva (m)
Re: Do I Relocate Abroad Despite Having A Bright Career Here In Nigeria ?
« #95 on: January 13, 2007, 02:30 AM »

Stay back in Nigeria.Its nt worth it.Many tried it and are regretting.Trust me
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