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Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #32 on: December 29, 2006, 12:44 AM »

Ok. . . Egyptians had all of this, what about Igbos? Undecided
shango (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #33 on: December 29, 2006, 12:51 AM »

Sista and Drussilla you need to understand.

You are talking to Nigerians. We Nigerians are products of colonialism much like most of Africa. No matter what history you bring up or references it will be put down unless it was "backed up" or sourced by someone of European descent i.e. white. No Nigerian will say this but most of us truly believe Sub Saharan Africa is backward, and lived like Animals till white people came. All the history books say as much and the "backwardness" of Africa and Blacks in Diaspora is routinely reinforced worldwide.

The only news you hear in this day of Globalization and Free Media via technology and the internet in the United States for example of African countries is conflict, fraud, starvation and monetary aid to African nations. I tell Americans we have doctors and dentists and engineers in Nigeria and we have cities and noone believes it over her half the time. World History books in the US say nothing of colonization or history in Sub Saharan Africa, US history textbooks with each new edition in the States minimize and even ommit portions of slavery (rebellion, middle passage, slave expeditions and black history) TO THIS DAY. And you think it is a conspiracy that sub saharan African history was eradicated by Europeans?

If you are told you are a monkey and you never had any history to speak off and you where nothing before people better than you handed you some crumbs, what in Gods name makes you think you will ever even rise to the level of your "masters". To this day we live in their world and reality is set by them and their reality says you where born a monkey. And you wonder why within this framework of defining ourselves as Africans we are still in the "gutter" as people in the first world like to put it.

If truly the European model and way of life is the superior and the right one then they have already predicted succesfully that Africans have always been inferior and without white rule they will continue to disintegrate to nothingness.

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Why the white man renamed Kemet Egypt is not what I care about. What I care about is, before white people renamed ancient Kemet present day Egypt, the name the Black inhabitants of Kemet called it kemet first. Kemet means the land of black people. If ancient Egyptians do not call their self black as many of you have said, why would they have called their land (Kemet)? which happens to mean, land of blacks.

Well European Scholars say kemet was called kemet because it referred to the black soil that was around the Nile river which gave it its nutrition and so forth and these same scholars say it is crazy Afrocentric nutjobs that say kemet refers to land of the blacks (people). Even though kemet means literally "the black lands" Since black people are monkeys with no sense of history I guess we should go with the European scholars as the Afrocentrics are nut jobs with propaganda and European scholars are impartial and never have any hidden agendas.
Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #34 on: December 29, 2006, 12:54 AM »

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Well European Scholars say kemet was called kemet because it referred to the black soil that was around the Nile river which gave it its nutrition and so forth and these same scholars say it is crazy Afrocentric nutjobs that say kemet refers to land of the blacks (people). Even though kemet means literally "the black lands" Since black people are monkeys with no sense of history I guess we should go with the European scholars as the Afrocentrics are nut jobs with propaganda and European scholars are impartial and never have any hidden agendas.

I'm sorry but that's bullshit. When last was a place named after the colour of the soil?
Coco29 (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #35 on: December 29, 2006, 12:58 AM »

@Donzman   Cry  Cry  Cry  Cry i weep for you NUBIAN.
Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #36 on: December 29, 2006, 01:00 AM »

Quote from: Coco29 on December 29, 2006, 12:58 AM
@Donzman Cry Cry Cry Cry i weep for you NUBIAN.

Why exactly do you keep calling me Nubian?. . . I'm not Nubian, please stop!. . . Can I call you Igbo?
Coco29 (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #37 on: December 29, 2006, 01:04 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 29, 2006, 01:00 AM
Why exactly do you keep calling me Nubian?. . . I'm not Nubian, please stop!. . . Can I call you Ibo?


sweetie i am not Nigerian so you can't call me Ibo !!! were as you belong to the Nubian race  Wink you seems to be getting quite angry please don't be  Kiss my intention is not to upset you.
Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #38 on: December 29, 2006, 01:07 AM »

Tell me something I don't know about this Nubian race? . . . How is it any different from an Hausa/Bini/Igbo race?  Undecided

Like you said. . . I'm not Sudanese and neither am I Egyptian, infact I'm not anywhere close to North-East Africa so I'm not Nubian.
shango (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #39 on: December 29, 2006, 01:10 AM »

Donzman, that is one example of how history is rewritten. Egypt could not possibly have been called Land of the Blacks! Blacks are monkeys and never created any civilization! It must refer to something else. Lets see, uhh, hey! The soil is black. Thats it. It referred to the soil! Problem solved!
Coco29 (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #40 on: December 29, 2006, 01:13 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 29, 2006, 01:07 AM
Tell me something I don't know about this Nubian race? . . . How is it any different from an Hausa/Bini/Igbo race? Undecided


ok hon let me speak, so that you understand.


 "BLACK" /NUBIAN  people decided to separate themselves even further by calling themselves hausa,bini or igbo


i guess Nubian to you is "black"  Wink


Sista (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #41 on: December 29, 2006, 01:16 AM »

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Well European Scholars say kemet was called kemet because it referred to the black soil that was around the Nile river which gave it its nutrition and so forth and these same scholars say it is crazy Afrocentric nutjobs that say kemet refers to land of the blacks (people). Even though kemet means literally "the black lands" Since black people are monkeys with no sense of history I guess we should go with the European scholars as the Afrocentrics are nut jobs with propaganda and European scholars are impartial and never have any hidden agendas.

I can see why you believe this should be because you are the same  person who started a topic that said Nigeria needed the white leaders to come back to Nigeria. What a shame.
  Embarrassed


Any black person that believes Kemet was called Kemet because of the black soil is a fool who will stand for nothing and fall for anything. Tell me then why does Ethiopia mean the land of burnt faces?


If you believe that white scholars are objective about the black race and the history about Africans, you are even more fooling your self. Only a people who the story belongs to can tell their story. Why should white scholars be the heard voice of African history? When especially it is clear that white people destroyed most of the Ancient African history and what they did not destroy, they stole and hid in Vatican or placed in museums for profit. White people will never be able to be objective about African story because their Agenda is to rule. How come we don't see white people being objective about how barbaric and against nature they are and have always been?
Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #42 on: December 29, 2006, 01:17 AM »

@Coco29

Let me reiterate. Nubia was an ancient kingdom of blacks but not all blacks were part of the kingdom. K?. . . Calling me a Nubian is as ridiculous as me calling you Igbo. Point across!
Sista (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #43 on: December 29, 2006, 01:19 AM »

@Shango

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Donzman, that is one example of how history is rewritten. Egypt could not possibly have been called Land of the Blacks! Blacks are monkeys and never created any civilization! It must refer to something else. Lets see, uhh, hey! The soil is black. Thats it. It referred to the soil! Problem solved!


Okay, you gave us your definition of what Egypt means to the Greeks who called Kemet Egypt but what does Kemet then mean?

Kemet is the name the black people inhabiting that land originally called it.
Coco29 (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #44 on: December 29, 2006, 01:28 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 29, 2006, 01:17 AM
@Coco29

Let me reiterate. Nubia was an ancient kingdom of blacks but not all blacks were part of the kingdom. K?. . . Calling me a Nubian is as ridiculous as me calling you Igbo. Point across!


hold up! unless you are white or a descendant of the white man, then you are not a NUBIAN.


however as far as i know no matter  what "race" you are from in Nigeria you are all "BLACK"/NUBIAN.
LiquidMind (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #45 on: December 29, 2006, 01:35 AM »

I  am tired of white people claiming they are more superior and civilized than black folks,  
And i am  tired of black people trying to be like whites,

This is crazy
Coco29 (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #46 on: December 29, 2006, 01:38 AM »

Quote from: LiquidMind on December 29, 2006, 01:35 AM
I  am tired of white people claiming they are more superior and civilized than black folks, 
And i am  tired of black people trying to be like whites,

This is crazy

why is it as soon as we are willing to stand up for ourselves, some one like you have to say some thing as stupid as this?
Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #47 on: December 29, 2006, 01:40 AM »

@Coco100

This is my definition of Nubian:

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Of or relating to Nubia or its peoples, languages, or cultures.

n.
A native or inhabitant of Nubia.
Any of a group of closely related Nilo-Saharan languages spoken in the Sudan. Also called Nuba.

Sorry but what you define as "Nubian" isn't what I define as Nubian. I am not Nubian, my forefathers didn't come from Egypt nor Sudan. I am not Nubian, I'm an Igbo man. I don't speak one of the Nilo-Saharan languages, I speak one of the Benue-Congo languages from the Niger - Congo family ( Igbo to be precise).

 Let me repeat myself, I'm not Nubian, I'm Igbo!
Coco29 (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #48 on: December 29, 2006, 01:43 AM »

@DONZMAN



as i just found out Nigerians believe that they are all different races  Cheesy so it would be impossible to tell you otherwise.


 Kiss
shango (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #49 on: December 29, 2006, 01:48 AM »

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I can see why you believe this should be because you are the same  person who started a topic that said Nigeria needed the white leaders to come back to Nigeria. What a shame. 


Any black person that believes Kemet was called Kemet because of the black soil is a fool who will stand for nothing and fall for anything. Tell me then why does Ethiopia mean the land of burnt faces then?


If you believe that white scholars are objective about the black race and the history about Africans, you are even more fooling your self. Only a people who the story belongs to can tell their story. Why should white scholars be the heard voice of African history? When especially it is clear that white people destroyed most of the Ancient African history and what they did not destroy, they stole and hid in Vatican or placed in museums for profit. White people will never be able to be objective about African story because their Agenda is to rule. How come we don't see white people being objective about how barbaric and against nature they are and have always been?

You completely missed my sarcasm in that thread I started and in this post. Its ok though. It usually gets by most people anyway.  Grin
Coco29 (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #50 on: December 29, 2006, 01:54 AM »

@shango


oooo sweetie i was about to spill, it is a good thing you clarify that  Cheesy Kiss
Sista (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #51 on: December 29, 2006, 02:11 AM »

@ Shango

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You completely missed my sarcasm in that thread I started and in this post. Its ok though. It usually gets by most people anyway.

From what I saw in that thread, your alleged sarcasm got by no one, practically everyone was offended.

Any way, what is your response to what I said below?


Any black person that believes Kemet was called Kemet because of the black soil is a fool who will stand for nothing and fall for anything. Tell me then why does Ethiopia mean the land of burnt faces then?


If you believe that white scholars are objective about the black race and the history about Africans, you are even more fooling your self. Only a people who the story belongs to can tell their story. Why should white scholars be the heard voice of African history? When especially it is clear that white people destroyed most of the Ancient African history and what they did not destroy, they stole and hid in Vatican or placed in museums for profit. White people will never be able to be objective about African story because their Agenda is to rule. How come we don't see white people being objective about how barbaric and against nature they are and have always been?
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #52 on: December 29, 2006, 02:51 AM »

I 've been to Egypt and I 've seen the real indigence of Egypt, they live mostly in the southern part of Egypt and there features and their skin colour is just the same with that of subsaharan Africans



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The Egyptians Mummys,Statues,Temples don't not represent or show  Blacks as the rulers of the Nile Valley



The statue of Liberty does not symbolize anything Amerindian, you have to understand that if people would run over your land successfully they would inpose their culture and everything of their own on you and make your history as invalid as possible


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The problem of Afrocentrics is they see every event in history as one Big Conspiracy



History is actually a big conspiracy, there is no doubt about that, but hey people Phuck Egyptian history and phuck all that shyte, the present day Egyptian don't even see themselves as black and they have influenced and white washed Egyptian history to an unimaginable level, so claiming Egyptian history as black history is all crap, Using Egyptian history to validate ourselves surmounts to  inferiority complex and Ninetofive wont do that. Black people are dumb, lazy and Naive that is why is so easy to claim Egyptian history and take it as something serious, historians are not magicians, they gather oral histories [ if possible written history ] and carry out archaeological activities and alas history is been put together, I don't see us doing that, Is it not stupid for me to seat down here and discurse about Egyptian history instead of me to try and study and know more about INSIBIDI [an Igbo acient writting system], which am very sure will hold more about my history as a person and am sure that would make a lot more sense than whatever Egyptian history would tell me. why is it that Afrocentrics ignore things that makes a lot of sense in Subsaharan African culture and jump to Egyptian culture to validate whatever view they have, to me is all but stupidity.  
 
 
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Well European Scholars say kemet was called kemet because it referred to the black soil that was around the Nile river which gave it its nutrition and so forth and these same scholars say it is crazy Afrocentric nutjobs that say kemet refers to land of the blacks (people). Even though kemet means literally "the black lands" Since black people are monkeys with no sense of history I guess we should go with the European scholars as the Afrocentrics are nut jobs with propaganda and European scholars are impartial and never have any hidden agendas.
 
 



You are so dumb, you 've  just won a title called ''disqualification to argue with NINIETOFIVE''
Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #53 on: December 29, 2006, 02:58 AM »

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historians are not magicians, they gather oral histories [ if possible written history ] and carry out archaeological activities and alas history is been put together, I don't see us doing that, Is it not stupid for me to seat down here and discurse about Egyptian history instead of me to try and study and know more about INSIBIDI [an Igbo acient writting system], which am very sure will hold more about my history as a person and am sure that would make a lot more sense than whatever Egyptian history would tell me. why is it that Afrocentrics ignore things that makes a lot of sense in Subsaharan African culture and jump to Egyptian culture to validate whatever view they have, to me is all but stupidity. 

More often than not, you're off the mark but I honestly agree with you there.  Grin
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #54 on: December 29, 2006, 03:12 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 29, 2006, 02:58 AM
More often than not, you're off the mark but I honestly agree with you there. Grin

Lets say you are beginning to understand me, it would be fair to put it that way, don't you think?.
Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #55 on: December 29, 2006, 03:16 AM »

No, I always understood you, you're just beginning to think the right way.  Wink
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #56 on: December 29, 2006, 03:37 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 29, 2006, 03:16 AM
No, I always understood you, you're just beginning to think the right way. Wink

No you are just beginning to fall on line, I 've never changed anything on my usuall adventurous ways, you are the one that is at last beginning to get it, and this is not the beginning and the last time.


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shango (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #57 on: December 29, 2006, 03:45 AM »

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From what I saw in that thread, your alleged sarcasm got by no one, practically everyone was offended.

Any way, what is your response to what I said below?

Sista, I responded to what you said already in my sarcastic remarks. Ofcourse Kemet refers to land of blacks referring to black people inhabiting the land. I mean there have been pharoah idols discovered of black people with African features. And ofcourse European historians are not objective, and I gave the example of the origins of the name Kemet and how white European scholars say it refers to the black soil. Anyone can see that that is just stupid and is a way to distance Egypt from its true African origins.

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You are so dumb, you 've  just won a title called ''disqualification to argue with NINIETOFIVE''

My sarcasm still keeps on going beyond you guys. Ofcourse I am being sarcastic when I say Europeans have no hidden agenda concerning recording history. If I wasnt would I have gone on about how World history books omit African history and the ommissions of slavery in American History books and slave rebellions and so forth. I mean cmon. I made those posts to point out there are actually black people that believe all that stuff.

I like to think that we can argue and educate without being serious all the time. Alot of my sarcastic posts are meant to provoke, to get out a more compassionate response out of you guys. I may become heated when I argue but I learn from all you guys on this forum with our discussions and I hope you all do the same. Aint that what discussions and arguments are all about? Learning?  Grin
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #58 on: December 29, 2006, 03:54 AM »

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You are so dumb, you 've  just won a title called ''disqualification to argue with NINIETOFIVE''

My sarcasm still keeps on going beyond you guys. Ofcourse I am being sarcastic when I say Europeans have no hidden agenda concerning recording history. If I wasnt would I have gone on about how World history books omit African history and the ommissions of slavery in American History books and slave rebellions and so forth. I mean cmon. I made those posts to point out there are actually black people that believe all that stuff.

I like to think that we can argue and educate without being serious all the time. Alot of my sarcastic posts are meant to provoke, to get out a more compassionate response out of you guys. I may become heated when I argue but I learn from all you guys on this forum with our discussions and I hope you all do the same. Aint that what discussions and arguments are all about? Learning?
 


Then accept my apology, but try to make your sarcasm to look like one most of the time, cause it really gets confusing.
 
 
 

Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #59 on: December 29, 2006, 04:01 AM »

I actually knew she was being sarcastic with the last paragraph in the post. You guys are real stuck up!
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #60 on: December 29, 2006, 04:28 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on December 29, 2006, 04:01 AM
I actually knew she was being sarcastic with the last paragraph in the post. You guys are real stuck up!

Why am I not surprised?, people that are very sarcastic are people who don't really know what they are saying, confidence allows you to make statements of facts.
Donzman (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #61 on: December 29, 2006, 04:32 AM »

Quote from: NINETOFIVE on December 29, 2006, 04:28 AM
Why am I not surprised?, people that are very sarcastic are people who don't really know what they are saying, confidence allows you to make statements of facts.

On the other hand, I believe people who are sarcastic and willing to let others decipher the truth by themselves. When they relay your point of view in sarcasm, you'll get to see how ridiculous it reallys is so you can change it.
shango (m)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #62 on: December 29, 2006, 07:47 AM »

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On the other hand, I believe people who are sarcastic and willing to let others decipher the truth by themselves. When they relay your point of view in sarcasm, you'll get to see how ridiculous it reallys is so you can change it.

At least one person gets it  Grin

Plus it is a great way to bring out views people would otherwise hide. It works great in this other forum I visit that is mostly white. Alot of people actually say what I am saying is kind of harsh but is true essentially. Then flipping it on them and showing the errors of their ways becomes a great fun excercise Cheesy

But I guess trying this tactic in a forum like this is like preaching to the choir most of the time. At least me and 925 agree on some things, even though I don't buy his Igbo/Yoruba facial signature hypotheses Cheesy
Sista (f)
Re: Africans Did Have A Writing System, And They Did Document
« #63 on: December 29, 2006, 08:41 AM »

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but hey people Phuck Egyptian history and phuck all that shyte, the present day Egyptian don't even see themselves as black


If we Africans are going to be continuing to have this type of Attitude, I as an AA should just stop claiming that African in me period  because most Africans don't accept me and my AA ass as a real African but I don't let them dictate to me what I am and who I am.

Many Africans don't consider their self black but it doesn't mean they are not black. You have to understand, a lot of shame has been put on black people and those who cannot handle the humiliation just say they don't belong to the black or African race. The fear those people have should not let us get side tracked over into the Tribalism where we don't accept each other so we don't accept our history. The Egyptians of the past were very proud to be black but times have changed due to white influence we all have changed due to white influence. I have met some Egyptians and not all of them are like that, feeling as though they are not really blacks or Africans, they will tell you they are African. You can't let the negative experiences you have with your people make you hate them to the point of dismissing history that belongs to black people.

If AA people was to do that, I would not even be in Nairaland as with all of the hate I receive from my own people who will tell me in a minute I am nothing to them.
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