There is no free will in the Bible.
I was merely responding to your above
outburst quote and not deviating from the topic of "
I did not ask to be created"
Oba' let me reiterate all over again, I understanding your argument, I really do but there is more than meets the eye. Honestly.
You are insensitive.
It was mean because the man DID NOT ASK TO BE MADE.
Moreover, it was also mean for him to be PREDESTINED TO BE THE BETRAYER. He had no choice.
"You are insensitive? you say.
Arent we all, at some time or the other?
When you bought your present set of shoes, did you get permission from it before picking and buying it.
Would you hesistate in trashing it, the moment it gets past its usefulness.
Please pardon my crude parallel and/or unrefined analogy.
PREDESTINED? Big word and you rightly so typed it in upper cases (i.e. capitals)
Fact. GOD is eternal. He is ELOHIM, He created time. The end and the beginning simultaneously occurs with GOD
He knows the end of a matter from the beginning because with GOD the end and the beginning occurs simultaneously.
BOOM! God saw your conception, all that's in between and death etc at the same time.
With us this is not so because we are subjected to time and the timeline thereof
God saw all decisions made . . .
He saw the good ones, bad ones and the ugly ones we individually made
yet He didnt tip us in the trash can because He has a Get of
Hell Jail free card for us
GOD aint mean in allowing creation after seeing creation biting the finger that moulded it - Ref: sees the end & the beginning simultaneously
That aint mean. I think it's called Selflessness
How can uncreated creation moan to be created. Heresy . . .
Oh no its not.
The tree in an apple seed is a creation groaning to be created
Future Glory
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.
19 The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.
20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope
21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit,
groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has?
25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for,
but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.
27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.
More Than Conquerors
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all— how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?
33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.
34 Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died— more than that, who was raised to life
— is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
36 As it is written:
For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Arrant nonsense (not refering to you but to your argument). "oneself" did not ask to be created and testing it is wickedness.
"Experience shapes ones Character, Character determines ones Action. You catch the drift?"
One would have preferred not to exist especially if there was free will.
If I say now "I dont want to exist"; and God truly honored free will like you claim then God would go: "This human doesnt want to exist any more; dust are ye and to dust shall ye return" and simple translate the person back to dust. simple. but He doesnt.
And you give the free will mantra like Mazaje puts it.
I will pose this question to God on judgement day if I am thrown into hell: "WAIT A MINUTE, I NEVER ASKED TO BE MADE!!!" . . .
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I will pose this question to God on judgement day if I am thrown into hell:
"WAIT A MINUTE, I NEVER ASKED TO BE MADE!!!" you submit
GOD is a Creator! Manufacturers make for crying out loud
It is criminal and tantamount to insensitivity to deprive Him of His creativity or deny Him to create
Sure, of course you never asked to be made . . .
but you sure are coming across as the
glass-is-half-empty pessimist though
and getting too wrapped up in this non-existence
get out clause
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