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babaearly (m)
New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« on: October 21, 2009, 10:19 AM »

If you have been closely listening to Pastor Chris teachings you will know he is infusing the New Age teachings into the Bible. Well its not bad at all because it works still but its far cry from what the traditional christian teachings used to be e.g the catholics, methodist, baptist, lutheran and the old days pentecostal like deeper life, foursquare etc.

He preaches about meditation and visualization. That is the route to create your dreams and bring it to pass but differently from new age religions you are to thank God even before the dream becoames reality which he terms faith. What happened to the good old prayer for request or supplications?
His teachings tell you you are a god on earth and you dont need to "beg" God for anything because you are just like God getting anything you want.

Well it is much true per say in New Age religion but did Jesus really teach this kind of philosophy of meditation and visualization?


P.S: In Joshua 1:8 God was telling the Isrealites to meditate on the Law of Moses and not the Bible as Pastor Chris Oyakhilome claims. Take note.
jagunlabi (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #1 on: October 21, 2009, 11:48 AM »

Quote from: babaearly on October 21, 2009, 10:19 AM
Well it is much true per say in New Age religion but did Jesus really teach this kind of philosophy of meditation and visualization?
Yes,this was exactly what Jesus true teachings were,NEW AGE, meditation and stuff.Even though all those teachings were removed removed from the pages of the bible remnants of these teachings still remain if one looks closely enough.The non-canonical gospels are full of those new age teachings of christ. They were removed from the bible because the messages in those teachings were too empowering to the common man and the power that be did not want a populace that they could not control.
But things are changing now,the humankind(in the west,anyway) is evolving beyond the socalled "traditional" christian teachings which are nothing but empty dogma.
FYI,the catholic church has started retraining their priesthood enmasse to incorporate new age teachings into the catholic doctrine.
fyneguy
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #2 on: October 21, 2009, 10:06 PM »

Quote from: babaearly on October 21, 2009, 10:19 AM
If you have been closely listening to Pastor Chris teachings you will know he is infusing the New Age teachings into the Bible. Well its not bad at all because it works still but its far cry from what the traditional christian teachings used to be e.g the catholics, methodist, baptist, lutheran and the old days pentecostal like deeper life, foursquare etc.

He preaches about meditation and visualization. That is the route to create your dreams and bring it to pass but differently from new age religions you are to thank God even before the dream becoames reality which he terms faith. What happened to the good old prayer for request or supplications?
His teachings tell you you are a god on earth and you dont need to "beg" God for anything because you are just like God getting anything you want.

Well it is much true per say in New Age religion but did Jesus really teach this kind of philosophy of meditation and visualization?


P.S: In Joshua 1:8 God was telling the Isrealites to meditate on the Law of Moses and not the Bible as Pastor Chris Oyakhilome claims. Take note.

Confused Soul  Cry
donnie (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #3 on: October 22, 2009, 02:01 AM »

Quote from: babaearly on October 21, 2009, 10:19 AM
If you have been closely listening to Pastor Chris teachings you will know he is infusing the New Age teachings into the Bible. Well its not bad at all because it works still but its far cry from what the traditional christian teachings used to be e.g the catholics, methodist, baptist, lutheran and the old days pentecostal like deeper life, foursquare etc.


I cant believe i was actually expecting you to at least mention the apostles of Jesus at this point. So you actually think that judgement will be based on denominational doctrines or styles of worship. You will be surprised on that day for the Word Himself shall be the judge!

Quote from: babaearly on October 21, 2009, 10:19 AM
He preaches about meditation and visualization. That is the route to create your dreams and bring it to pass but differently from new age religions you are to thank God even before the dream becoames reality which he terms faith. What happened to the good old prayer for request or supplications?

His teachings tell you you are a god on earth and you dont need to "beg" God for anything because you are just like God getting anything you want.

Well it is much true per say in New Age religion but did Jesus really teach this kind of philosophy of meditation and visualization?
 



Have you ever come across these words of Jesus?:

Mark 11:24
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray , believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
KJV

Quote from: babaearly on October 21, 2009, 10:19 AM
P.S: In Joshua 1:8 God was telling the Isrealites to meditate on the Law of Moses and not the Bible as Pastor Chris Oyakhilome claims. Take note

So is this also refering to the law of Moses:

1 Tim 4:13-16
13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things ; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all.
NKJV

Phil 4:8-9
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy — meditate on these things.
NKJV


Can you now see why we say you are confused? And the problem with you unbelievers is that instead of simply crying out for help you employ tactics to get christians to show you the wisdom of God. It is the same tactics your friend KunleOshob employs. Your post should have read: Somebody help! I have no understanding of the gospel of Jeusus and the teachings of his apostles. . .Help!!
babaearly (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #4 on: October 22, 2009, 02:33 PM »

Quote from: jagunlabi on October 21, 2009, 11:48 AM
Yes,this was exactly what Jesus true teachings were,NEW AGE, meditation and stuff.Even though all those teachings were removed removed from the pages of the bible remnants of these teachings still remain if one looks closely enough.The non-canonical gospels are full of those new age teachings of christ. They were removed from the bible because the messages in those teachings were too empowering to the common man and the power that be did not want a populace that they could not control.
But things are changing now,the humankind(in the west,anyway) is evolving beyond the socalled "traditional" christian teachings which are nothing but empty dogma.
FYI,the catholic church has started retraining their priesthood enmasse to incorporate new age teachings into the catholic doctrine.

If Jesus really preached New Age teachings then the Gnostics were right. New Age religion shows you that salvation comes by spiritual development and not by confessions of your mouth which the Gnostic Gospels like the Gospel of Mary, thomas and e.t.c were all about in different perspectives.

So we are right to say Pastor Chris teaches the New Age religion.
KunleOshob (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #5 on: October 22, 2009, 02:53 PM »

Quote from: donnie on October 22, 2009, 02:01 AM

Can you now see why we say you are confused? And the problem with you unbelievers is that instead of simply crying out for help you employ tactics to get christians to show you the wisdom of God. It is the same tactics your friend KunleOshob employs. Your post should have read: Somebody help! I have no understanding of the gospel of Jeusus and the teachings of his apostles. . .Help!!
Rantings of a deluded mugun. Why are you bringing my name into this? If your pastor chris real needs teachings on salvation, he can contact me maybe as the devil has taken the drivers seat in his life.

Quote from: babaearly on October 22, 2009, 02:33 PM
If Jesus really preached New Age teachings then the Gnostics were right. New Age religion shows you that salvation comes by spiritual development and not by confessions of your mouth which the Gnostic Gospels like the Gospel of Mary, thomas and e.t.c were all about in different perspectives.

So we are right to say Pastor Chris teaches the New Age religion.
The man is just a good business man and he would preach anything his customers want to hear to keep them happy. As long as they are happy the money keeps rolling in through tights, offerings, first fruits, seed sowing, sales of filthy items such as tapes/CDs, delusional books and rhapsodies of unrealities
fyneguy
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #6 on: October 23, 2009, 06:49 AM »

Kunle,

Yes o. The money keeps rolling in.

He doesnt need to open your kind of  cybercafe for yahoo boys to come and defraud the public, while you smile to the bank.

Hypocrite!
donnie (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #7 on: October 23, 2009, 07:40 AM »

Fyneguy

yap, he seems to me as such. . .

God had to knock Paul down on his way to Damascus. Paul was  zealous for God though.

Well, we will yet pray for him and his kind. Perhaps God has marked some of them for salvation. . . even if He may have to knock out some teeth . . . at least their souls might be saved.
babaearly (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #8 on: October 23, 2009, 10:18 AM »

Quote from: donnie on October 23, 2009, 07:40 AM
Fyneguy

yap, he seems to me as such. . .

God had to knock Paul down on his way to Damascus. Paul was  zealous for God though.

Well, we will yet pray for him and his kind. Perhaps God has marked some of them for salvation. . . even if He may have to knock out some teeth . . . at least their souls might be saved.

Ah! so you believe you are saved,  Hypocrite. we all have an ounce of it deny it or not you are a clear version of an hypocrite. We are all zealous for God and accept we are not all perfect including your pastor. Even Jesus said no one is Good except God.
Tonye-t (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #9 on: October 23, 2009, 01:20 PM »

@Poster,

Since you've seen straight explanations from someone here to answer the topic, wont it be rather nice you call the thread quit? Undecided Undecided or you want to turn it into another classroom session of slimings and baseless arguments?
uplawal (f)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #10 on: October 24, 2009, 02:17 AM »

i even heard him says its not a miracle to wake up hale and hearty
mba emeka (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #11 on: November 03, 2009, 04:40 PM »

@uplawal,

Is it?

viaro
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #12 on: November 03, 2009, 07:30 PM »


Em, donnie. .  I tried to understand you. Are you a member of pastor Chris Oyakhilome's church? My mistake if you're not; it just strikes me that your defence on his behalf seems like one of his apologetic members. Anyway, small point.

I wondered about this in yours:

Quote from: donnie on October 22, 2009, 02:01 AM
Your post should have read: Somebody help! I have no understanding of the gospel of Jeusus and the teachings of his apostles. . .Help!!

Lol, but no. .  that is far fetched. The OP has not argued that he does not understand the Gospel of Jesus or the teachings of his apostles. Rather, he is asking pertinent questions about what pastor Chris teaches from the Gospel - a vastly different thing altogether. anybody can make up some kind of teaching from the Gospels and the epistles; but if questions are asked, it does not mean that the enquirer is ignorant of the Gospel, but rather questioning the maverick who tries to propound new interpretations from that same Gospel.

Now, pastor Chris, according to the OP, has been delving into some esoteric teachings. Some of them are Biblically correct (IMO), but some of them are not so sound.

For example, the OP recognizes the value of meditation by quoting Joshua 1:8; but he wonders if pastor Chris' application of meditation is the same thing that Joshua was asked to do in that verse. If that was so, the simple inference would be that Joshua was not supposed to pray, but just create his own world and circumstances without relying on God! Second, it would mean that Joshua didn't get the hang of what he was being taught if pastor Chris was right in saying that his congregation should see themselves as "gods". Did Joshua see himself as a 'god' by meditating as he was asked to do in Josh. 1:8? A lot depends on your understanding and answer to this.

I don't think that other people should necessarily be declared confused just because they ask questions about certain denominational practices and beliefs. To reply the way you did ('Can you now see why we say you are confused?') sounds desperate. . unless I'm missing something here and mistaking you for one of pastor Chris' faithfuls.
donnie (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #13 on: November 03, 2009, 10:49 PM »

Psalm 19:7

7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
NKJV


Thanks for your opinion. However, if you want me to teach you the Word of God, I can if you'd ask politely.

Psalm 1

Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
And in His law he MEDITATES day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree
Planted by the rivers of water,
That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither;
And whatever he does shall prosper.
4 The ungodly are not so,
But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the ungodly shall perish.
NKJV
viaro
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #14 on: November 03, 2009, 11:35 PM »

Quote from: donnie on November 03, 2009, 10:49 PM
Thanks for your opinion. However, if you want me to teach you the Word of God, I can if you'd ask politely.

My apologies that my comments were considered impolite. And thanks for your offer. .  might come in handy someday.
Easypizzy (f)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #15 on: November 05, 2009, 01:30 PM »

Hmmmm
karlie4nia (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #16 on: November 06, 2009, 12:01 AM »


@ poster your damn right.

 i tot i was alone on this. Its cool averagely. Seems the man"s got deep spiritual insight that a hell lot of other xtian M.O.G don't seem to. He most times boldly says the koko where others keep quiet.Thought some times he can be a little tactical and superficial.He's cool.
mba emeka (m)
Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right?
« #17 on: November 13, 2009, 06:04 PM »

Lol, but no. .  that is far fetched. The OP has not argued that he does not understand the Gospel of Jesus or the teachings of his apostles. Rather, he is asking pertinent questions about what pastor Chris teaches from the Gospel - a vastly different thing altogether. anybody can make up some kind of teaching from the Gospels and the epistles; but if questions are asked, it does not mean that the enquirer is ignorant of the Gospel, but rather questioning the maverick who tries to propound new interpretations from that same Gospel.

My dear viaro, I think u shud be careful when addressing issues like this particularly ones concerning the scriptures.
First and foremost,theres an astronomical difference btw a proposition and a revelation from the holy spirit. While the latter elucidates by making the simple, wise the former leaves the simple in a state I like to call spiritual confusion.
How do u mean? U may ask, well I’d tell u, Do u remember the words of Jesus in matt 21:21- “…if u have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree but u can also say to this mountain, go throw urself into the sea, and it will be done.22 if u beliv u will receive whateva u ask for in prayer”, well I have heard a lot of folks(including preachers) say that this was”(only) figurative and that the master didn’t really mean a mountain, but anyfin  that presents itself as such. As nice as that sounds and logical,if I may add that is not what he said. He said simply-say to a mountain move and it will.period.
Am I discrediting their beliefs? An emphatic NO! just showing that they cud undermine the power of God by believing or endorsing somfin less than what God has said, if he said a mountain,he meant a mountain yet not only a mountain (both physical and figurative) but “WHATEVA” u ask for…u dig?
How does this apply to the matter above? Well, well, well in the book of Joshua 1:8
The word MEDITATE was actually rendered HAGAH-that’s Heb for muttering, brooding, talking consistently under ones breath. The English Lang didn’t have a perfect synonym for the word so bible students chose the word meditate (to think deeply usually in silence) u see how the meanings differ. Now pastor chris by the power of the holyspirit taught us to read the scriptures in context and then rightfully divide the word of truth. By doing so I came to the understanding that God wanted them to do more than just think deeply in silence but to hagah, mutter, talk consistently the book of the law. That’s y he said it shudnt depart out their mouth. It is more than keeping it in your heart it’s about saying it for keeping it in your heart is not enuff. Jesus said- u shall have what ye say….and also that , ”of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh”
This is not a new age teaching neither is it from a maverick who tries to propound new interpretations from that same Gospel.
If that was so, the simple inference would be that Joshua was not supposed to pray, but just create his own world and circumstances without relying on God!
Where is this comin frm? The bible says this book of the law…the law of the lord…
Have u eva come across this scripture Heb 13:5 , ”….for God has said I will not leave u nor forsake u so that we shall boldly say the lord is my helper of whom shall I fear?”  U see God has said…so that we shall boldly say,

Second, it would mean that Joshua didn't get the hang of what he was being taught if pastor Chris was right in saying that his congregation should see themselves as "gods". Did Joshua see himself as a 'god' by meditating as he was asked to do in Josh. 1:8? A lot depends on your understanding and answer to this.

There we go again, where is this coming from? Cant u remember the words of Jesus- “…with men it is impossible but with God all things are possible, ” and then later he said, ”everyfin is possible for him who believes”, if everyfin is possible to God and everyfin is possible to him that believes doesn’t it show a close relationship with the believers and God i.e that all things are possible to them. This is what MEDITATING on the word does to u,it increases your awareness,it awakens u to the fatherhood of God. It is what gave Joshua the audacity later on to command the sun and moon to stand still. Incase u didn’t knw it was what also made Jesus the way he was while he was on earth.what am sharing with u is called Christ consciousness:it’s a God consciousness that Christians shud have. Didn’t Jesus do the same when he commanded the storm to be still, a tree to dry frm its root-I mean his disciples where astonished they said “what manna of man is this”. Have u read about Abraham, Isaac, David even down to the apostle paul? Who declared by the holyspirit that he can do all things…don’t u knw that one whose born of God is a god just like one whose born of a dog is a dog?. Don’t u knw that the Christian is born of God? If Joshua didn’t have this God-mentality how cud he then do what he did? Even back then when he cudnt be born again. How much more can we do now that we have the holyspirit parambulating in us? 2cor 6:16 did u ever hear God speak thru d psalmist when he declared-“I have said ye are gods and all of u are children of the most high”,  dear viaro, yes, yes, a thousand times yes Joshua knew what God meant and yes he meditated so,that’s y his progress was evident to all.Josh 10:14
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