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Donzman (m)
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@nigeriaone Thank you for your contribution but from census results, we will get the top 10 most populated cities.  Said Uba: “With a huge market base of 4.5 million persons and host to the largest market in West Africa, my administration would exploit the strategic location of the state and the country’s largest river port in Onitsha, to give Anambra State considerable economic leverage over most states. There is a quote from Andy Uba again relaying the message that Onitsha is home to the largest market in West Africa. Apparently you're too busy looking at maps instead of getting acclamated to Nigeria as a whole. Your opinion is worthless because they're formed based on NOTHING. You choose to look at maps instead of going on ground to confirm for yourself, this makes you a quack scientist. Good look getting more satellite pictures Sir! |
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demmy (m)
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@Donzman I wouldn't go about quoting Andy Uba if I were u.  Anyway Onitsha's claim to being the largest market in West Africa is based on what fact? The volume of goods traded? The number of people trading there or the expanse of land occupied? |
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Analytical (m)
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Nigeriaone,
There is no way satellite imageries alone can determine population of a place. They are what they are- images taken by satellites. It’s the same way a picture of a house cannot tell you how many people live inside. Please don’t let us misinform here. They are useful tools that can aid in spatial analysis and make planning and mapping easier when used in conjunction with others like geographic information system (GIS).
Your argument about Onitsha and Ore is rather flawed. Even though the two towns maybe about the same in area using your satellite images, that doesn’t mean the population will be about the same. If you use 3D visualization tools for the satellite images of both, you will discover that Onitsha is mostly made up of houses that are at least 3 storeys while Ore’s are mostly bungalows. This should tell you which one has more population, assuming you’ve not been to both towns (Note I'm not Ibo!).
There are a lot of things you consider when interpreting such images for demographic purposes. For example, you don’t expect the population of a GRA to be the same as a densely populated area, even with the same land area and number of houses, taking into consideration the two different classes of people in question. While a duplex in GRA may house 8 people, the same size of building downtown may house at least 50. An industial area of a city may have zero number of people living there, but a satellite image will still show you as buildings, which may not be distinguished from those in residential areas! You will need additional information, which is not available from the image, to be able to do that. I can go on and on.
Cheers all.
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buluti (m)
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@ Analytical thank you for a properly thought out and presented piece, your analysis is logical and can be followed objectively. @ nigeriaone i really want to agree with you, you seem to believe strongly in what you are saying, but is that enough grounds??. Your arguement is not convincing, you need to provide superior arguements to what has been provided to prove your case such as Akure being more populated and all. Recall i stated earlier that satelite images alone cannot be relied upon (analytical just did as well), it has its limitations, one of which was shown by analytical. Its compareable to the problem the US under the bush administartion is currently facing, fighting wars having de-emhasized and limiting the role of human intelligence deciding to rely more on technologies such as "satelite images" they really can't predict what is on ground and are paying for it seriously. Please note am not ibo as well so my views are in no way ethnically construed. I think its quite clear using this forum as a sample that it would take much more than satelite images to mis-inform this generation of nigerians, the govt needs to step up their game and realise the population is much more informed and educated, we would demand clear explanations for their results and ALL actions. @ Donzman i agree with Demery i wont touch anytin near Andy Uba if i were you. |
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Donzman (m)
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@ Donzman i agree with Demery i wont touch anytin near Andy Uba if i were you. Umm. . . In the case at hand, Andy Uba's credibility isn't in question. It's common knowledge amonst "Nigerians" that Onitsha has the biggest market in W. Africa. |
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nigeriaone
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Donzman (m)""Umm. . . In the case at hand, Andy Uba's credibility isn't in question. It's common knowledge amonst "Nigerians" that Onitsha has the biggest market in W. Africa. ""'
Donzman, forget it Onitsha is not the biggest market in Nigeria. You need to visit other part of nigeria,
On the issue of the satellite picture i would assume that of you can't use the tool very well. it allows to you to tell if the house is 3 story building, you zoom down and now bending the picture to "line of sight" Which allow you to see if the house is 1 level or not, it is 3D.
I really I am busy, may be later,
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Planner (m)
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Your argument about Onitsha and Ore is rather flawed. Even though the two towns maybe about the same in area using your satellite images, that doesn’t mean the population will be about the same. If you use 3D visualization tools for the satellite images of both, you will discover that Onitsha is mostly made up of houses that are at least 3 storeys while Ore’s are mostly bungalows. This should tell you which one has more population, assuming you’ve not been to both towns (Note I'm not Ibo!).
There are a lot of things you consider when interpreting such images for demographic purposes. For example, you don’t expect the population of a GRA to be the same as a densely populated area, even with the same land area and number of houses, taking into consideration the two different classes of people in question. While a duplex in GRA may house 8 people, the same size of building downtown may house at least 50. An industial area of a city may have zero number of people living there, but a satellite image will still show you as buildings, which may not be distinguished from those in residential areas! You will need additional information, which is not available from the image, to be able to do that. I can go on and on. Nigeriaone can you please carefully read the above post. It may help in solving some of the problems you are having in passing your message accros. You can also funish yourself with the linls provided by Donzman. |
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nigeriaone
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Donsman, all those links are debatable, Onitsha is not that big, In the east Enugu is the one to look out for, and not your hometown. sir, Planner, see the calculation , which field of study are you, if you are not in sciences you may not understand, I would look a calculation by one Phd holder too, I can't find it right now, Just like a doctor uses X RAY PICTURE to tell information about your body, Engineers and those in the science field can tell so much information from satellite picture, If you were in this field you would not argue with me, Now which field are you, and same question to donzman, Account or igbo history or bible knowledge or english or yoruba history or economics or Islamic study, na joke, you obviously not in sciences that why? http://www./smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=1f2823a986d4637c53357df642ce38c6&topic=1712.0 I think it is my last post, boys, I have $700 each month to pay for my child school fee sitting down with you on internet would not pay it for me, Have a wonderful life, NO MORE REPLY. I would not check this topic again, do not waste your time to reply. If you want to know more go back to school. |
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Donzman (m)
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@Nigeriaone
I'm in Economics and if there's anyone who will know about graphs, pictures and the maths involved, it's ME!
Again, I question your knowledge. What do you think economists do if not complicated calculations after complicated calculations?. . . Why do you lack so much basic knowledge of so many things but yet so willing to teach others instead of learning yourself?
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buluti (m)
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Though its still sketchy but this report by BBC states that the breakdown of the results puts the north more than the south. Kano has 9.4 million even more populated than Lagos. I guess that puts the debate to an end. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6246057.stm |
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Donzman (m)
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Kano isn't more populated than Lagos, don't need a picture to tell me that.
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GNature (m)
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There is just no way Kano can be more populated than Lagos. No way
I definately agree with Donzman.
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nigeriaone
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Mr the census is fraud, And nigeria should discredit the figure, It show mr makawa made up the figure, You see I use to be a church administration of a redemeed christain church of God. I do not lie, Ask people that knows me, My name is Adesegun Musiwa( so that they can know who to arrest), I resign from been one of the people who sign the church cheque in the branch i was attending because i believe the truth, I was a student christian union leader with the deeper life, like I said welfare officer, church administration in the RCCG, I was secretary of Nigeria Christian copper fellowship Numan zone,former member of unilorin christian union. When people do not do thing the way. I am so disappoint with Mr president, that he could be part of this fraud, It is a shame, here is the link http://earth.google.com/ to satellite picture of Nigeria by google judge for your self , history would hold mr Makawa and the president responsible for this evil, And God would Judge MR Makawa and the President, I leave them into the hand of God, We can not continue with fraud, It is a sad day for Nigeria, see the fake census result, http://www./smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=1c35ec512e25835269778696bebf63a2&topic=1744.msg4654;topicseen#msg4654 |
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Donzman (m)
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@Nigeriaone
Once again, census results show that Anambra is more populated than Ondo (I see no reason why they'll use fake figures for these 2 states).
What happened to your Oyo state is more populous than all of the South-East states?. . . It is barely more populous than Anambra even though most Anambrarians are in other states and countries and didn't go home to be counted. Try again in 10 years or something!
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nigeriaone
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Pure 419
multiple any of the state by 1.5 of the 1991 census you get the news 2006 census, that is pure fraud, 419, Mr Makawa should be arrested for fraud,
If this the best the president can do, I am sorry, the next election is already rigged even before it start, everybody can go home, Buhari and others are just wasting their time, there would not be a free election in Nigeria ,
I pity Nigeria, Thank God say me I dey abroad, I pity all of you in Nigeria, you people would continue to suffer, till suffer kill of you, Haba this is fraud, 419, There is no more hope for Nigeria,
they already sent a virus to our server system to NigeriaONE all because of this fraud, so please bear with us , and if we have to shut down the system to destroy the virus, we would back ,
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shango (m)
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Donzman is still quoting figures from Census data that says KANO IS MORE POPULATED THAN LAGOS Look if they cannot even have the common sense to do some ojoro with some semblance of common sense instead of complete ojoro maybe the less intuned would buy it. But even you Donzman admit the Kano figures are BS. Why now say (I see no reason why they'll use fake figures for these 2 states) Ok. So they use real figures in some instances and fake figures in others. Cmon Donzman. Why would you try to defend a bullshit Census. The whole things is trash. And I have said this since day one. No matter wether you go by tribe or by headcount based on location the Hausas win. |
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Donzman (m)
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It still reinforces the argument I've been having with nigeriaone all this time. Anambra is miles more populated than Ondo and it isn't close, the census results showed what I expected in that case so I can't doubt it.
Mr. Nigeriaone also said that Oyo state is more populated than all the S.E. states put together and I disagreed. Again, the census figures show that the populations are not even close. Again, I do not disagree with the conclusion.
It's the North vs. South thing that is absolutely bewildering and makes me doubt the whole census thing.
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buluti (m)
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@ Donzman i beg to disagree. This is not about who wins the arguement with nigeriaone. The debate earlier was about satelite images and definately no reasonable person was in doubt of the size of Onitsha.
The point here as Shango stated is that there is a credibility problem, and you are quoting the figures because it seems to favour you against someone else. No Donzman don't fall into the trap that got our parents. Whilst i would not be quick to say its a complete fraud but definately sometin has gone wrong somewhere, this result is an "insult to common sense" and should be frowned at by all and if they are reasonable even the northerners.
I never knew the day would come but i agree with nigeriaone when he said its a sad day for nigeria. It really is a sad day for Nigeria.
Am not one to hypothesize conspiracy theories but with results like this i feel that OBJ has clearly maintained the status quo, except he is telling me the status quo is it, and yet the Nigerian nation has been having problems co-habiting together, the picture is becoming all clearer. Now i know why he would leave the constitution the way it is . These are issues that remain unresolved affecting the unity of Nigeria and he has tactically avoided them.
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Analytical (m)
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All, May I now refer us back to my earlier post on this topic written 5 days ago: The only recourse we have is to rely on census figures, with its attendant peculiar problems given the country called Nigeria. How reliable then is this our last census? I can tell you that more than 40% (to understimate!) of the population wasn't counted due to shortage of personnel, materials and logistics. Ask anyone living in Nigeria! Most people I know living in different places were not counted. There was disorder in most places on the last day of the exercise when people have to resort to bribing the officials to come to their houses to be counted!! Even phone-in programs during the period could attest to that. People kept making calls and giving descriptions to areas that have not been counted- and one couldn't but wonder which areas were counted!
Do we trust the figures then and how did they arrive at such figure of 140million in a headcount where many were not counted? What happened to the Niger Delta area that officials could not venture to go because the census happened in the thick of the crisis? Do we have figures for them too?
God save Nigeria! I said it that the results are not to be trusted. It's the same as everything associated with this present government. It's all a charade! From the (s)elections in 1999 and 2003, to the National ID card scam, voters registrations, phoney projects, useless reforms that impart negatively on the masses, etc. We can't get the basic, simplest things right. It's all the same! Cry, the beloved country! @Nigeriaone, Just like a doctor uses X RAY PICTURE to tell information about your body, Engineers and those in the science field can tell so much information from satellite picture, If you were in this field you would not argue with me,
Now which field are you, and same question to donzman, Account or igbo history or bible knowledge or english or yoruba history or economics or Islamic study, na joke, you obviously not in sciences that why? There you go again! X-RAY goes through your skin to show internal bony structures and diseases in soft tissues inside your body. But satellite images don't tell you how many people live inside a building. Yes, you can gather so much information from an image, but not what goes on inside the structures captured. To get those, you have to go beyond satellite images. I read Computer Science (Diploma) and Computer Engineering (Degree) and work in Digital Mapping & Geo-database management utilising satellite images from remote sensing, data from Computer Aided Design (CAD) and Geographic Information System (GIS) on a daily basis in a company at the cutting edge of the technology. This is my turf. So please stop arguing this point! Cheers. |
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buluti (m)
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@ Analytical
The arguement with nigeriaone on satelite images was a forgone conclusion, again any reasonable person can recognise the limitations of satelite images.
You have made a good summary of the government and its programmes and this results give weights to them. Its sad that we can't get the simple things right all the time, like there's a curse on the Nation, but again its not a curse its just mere stupidity. I just think of the funds wasted and all, its so so annoying and sad.
Reading thisdayonline just now, there a picture of the council of states Gowon, shagari, obj, ibb, adbusalami, shonekan, and even buhari approving the results. Even the governors have all approved the results.
Its in Gods hands now.
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Analytical (m)
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Thanks Buluti and God bless.
Any one that loves this country and yearns to see it develop will see through the scams and frauds going on. It's a shame that mega funds (including foreign aids) are being wasted without any meaningful progress.
Are you surprised that all those people all approved the 'results' of the census? Check the names Gowon, Shagari, IBB, Abdusalami, Buhari- all notherners. And OBJ, Shonekan, their cronies! I'm detribalised, but it's plain to see why they will see nothing wrong in a census that puts Kano ahead of Lagos (which UN put at 10.9million as of 1996!) And the governors? They don't have a choice, except you want EFCC to go after them. The PDP convention and some 'golden' aspirants are still fresh in their minds! Anyway you look at it, it favours the North, politically and financially. Don't forget that allocation from the federation account to the states still take population as a parameter.
I can tell the next scene on the script. Just write it down- The 2007 (s)elections. Now that the figures are out, the election figures will follow the same line, with 'more' votes coming from the North just to make sure the anointed one from the North gets there (I don't have anything against the North). It's all been scripted before now. If not tell me why a government in it's right senses will organise a census, as divisive as it is in Nigeria, close to election year and in the middle of a crisis in Niger Delta, an area in the south (I'm not from the south-south). It's simply to give credence to the planed (s)election.
We need to pray!
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comechop (m)
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Pure 419
multiple any of the state by 1.5 of the 1991 census you get the news 2006 census, that is pure fraud, 419, Mr Makawa should be arrested for fraud,
If this the best the president can do, I am sorry, the next election is already rigged even before it start, everybody can go home, Buhari and others are just wasting their time, there would not be a free election in Nigeria ,
I pity Nigeria, Thank God say me I dey abroad, I pity all of you in Nigeria, you people would continue to suffer, till suffer kill of you, Haba this is fraud, 419, There is no more hope for Nigeria,
they already sent a virus to our server system to NigeriaONE all because of this fraud, so please bear with us , and if we have to shut down the system to destroy the virus, we would back ,
Mr. Nigeriaone or whatever you call yourself, Suffer will not kill the people in Nigeria. If you are soo detached from the suffering of people then why do u even care about the census or about ur country in general? please stop making detrimental statements like that about Nigeria. One day, truth will reign in Nigeria, and if you are abroad like u say you are, one day you will be running to come back to naija. don't worry, people are praying. I would advice you to do something positive about the current state by joining them instead of staying on the other side and critisizing. |
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lasekan (m)
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FOOLS EVERY WHERE
HOW CAN THE OLD KANO STATE ALONE (KANO AND KASTINA) ACCOUNT FOR 9.4% OF NIGERIAN POLULATION?-ABOUT 15 MILLION ? ITS ONLY IN NIGERIA THAT THIS CAN HAPPEN
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illiest (m)
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[b]U guys should please stop the argument,the truth is there ahhha,abeg shh!!!(HISS) lets be factual
first of all Lagos is far larger than the people in Kano, Lagos is like 15 millon and above.
what makes a place populated?the biz environ,lagos has the largest number of branches from banks,blue chip
companies,oil companies,Mama poot,tourist areas like the beaches,cinemas,other joints,media houses,primary
schools,secondary schools,universities, Oshodi market,Alaba int market,Alaba suru,Aspamda,Balogun old and
new,idumota,ladipo,Vespa,palms,galleria,mile12,(MARKETS) \o/
kANO can never be close to Lagos in this life,its not even upto PH.
Then Jigawa,kaduna,bauchi,borono,sokoto,Niger,kastina all those states are not as populated as ABUJA, and
Abuja is about 1mill, which is a bit factual.Anambra,Imo,Abia,Enugu,Ebonyi,PH, are more than what was giving.
Only an insane person will believe such result.i have been to the north there is nothing there,just land,trees and
wild life.This result will never be correct if revenue is allocated according to population.it should be according to
what u generate.every state should take what they generate and the federal govt should collect a proportional
tax of say 40% . \o/
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Tomiola (m)
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i agree with illiest that census result na heavy 419  |
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iykrion (m)
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@ post Perhaps, polyandry is the answer |
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