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Drusilla (f)
Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« on: December 31, 2006, 02:00 PM »

We are the culmination of many different African tribes blending together.

Should we be considered a "New Tribe"?
Eurphoria (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #1 on: December 31, 2006, 02:08 PM »

OMG drusilla this your AA thing is beyond me now, talk about over kill. why ask us? why not ask the African Americans over there? i am sure many will spit in your face for even suggesting it, because as much as you guys claim to love Africa and shit, i have seen how some African Americans talk badly about us.

These AA threads are becoming a nightmare.

PS
write a letter to Condalezza

I am out happy new year
mrmayor (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #2 on: December 31, 2006, 02:38 PM »

Dru,

A new "TRIBE"; Shocked Shocked I thought you don't beileve in Tribes?
Hero (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #3 on: December 31, 2006, 05:00 PM »

Quote from: Eurphoria on December 31, 2006, 02:08 PM
OMG drusilla this your AA thing is beyond me now, talk about over kill. why ask us? why not ask the African Americans over there? i am sure many will spit in your face for even suggesting it, because as much as you guys claim to love Africa and shit, i have seen how some African Americans talk badly about us.

These AA threads are becoming a nightmare.

PS
write a letter to Condalezza

I am out happy new year

 Cheesy Grin That was hillarious.

Quote from: mrmayor on December 31, 2006, 02:38 PM
Dru,

 A new "TRIBE"; Shocked Shocked I thought you don't beileve in Tribes?

True Talk here. We AA are already referenced in this way, although as the Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Mandingo, Fulani and others; we rightfully should not and aren't referred to as a Tribe,  but an ETHNIC GROUP.
mamaput (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #4 on: December 31, 2006, 10:58 PM »

Or just lost
Donzman (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #5 on: December 31, 2006, 11:09 PM »

Quote from: Eurphoria on December 31, 2006, 02:08 PM
OMG drusilla this your AA thing is beyond me now, talk about over kill. why ask us? why not ask the African Americans over there? i am sure many will spit in your face for even suggesting it, because as much as you guys claim to love Africa and shit, i have seen how some African Americans talk badly about us.

These AA threads are becoming a nightmare.

PS
write a letter to Condalezza

I am out happy new year

Even though you hate Donzman, I gotta applaud that piece of opinion because I couldn't have said it any better.
Ndipe (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #6 on: January 01, 2007, 01:20 AM »

I know, this AA discussion is way too much. Druscilla, don't you have other interesting topics to debate on?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #7 on: January 01, 2007, 02:02 AM »

Euphoria et al, perfect.
Hero (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #8 on: January 02, 2007, 07:13 AM »

Quote from: mamaput on December 31, 2006, 10:58 PM
Or just lost

 Cheesy LOL at this Mulatta trying to talk crap about AA. Listen up; you're a  Mulatta Kraut. You have no grounds to be talking about someone being lost. If it wasn't for the aiding valuer of us "lost" AA's ancestors, your undesirable butt would of been sterilized by now--- if not exterminated.  Kiss Don't ever forget that, chick. 
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #9 on: January 02, 2007, 07:20 AM »

Explain how she would have been exterminated cause i don't follow,
I think that AA should demand for DNA tests to figure out exactly which tribe they are, How can you try to be something, when your history is smack dab in your face?
Hero (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #10 on: January 02, 2007, 08:00 AM »

Quote from: JosBoy4Lif on January 02, 2007, 07:20 AM
Explain how she would have been exterminated cause i don't follow,
I think that AA should demand for DNA tests to figure out exactly which tribe they are, How can you try to be something, when your history is smack dab in your face?

What, you never read up on Germany during the reign of the Nazi party? It became a law that all "undesirables" be either sterilized and or exterminated. This was done via a policy to purify and keep pure the so called Pure German Aryan Race. Anyone who was thought to not fit this description was to be taken to be either Exterminated and or sterilized. Most Mulattos, Blacks and Asians were regularly chosen to be Sterilized by the party, whiled most of the Jews, Eastern Europeans and Gypsies were chosen to be Exterminated.
righocream (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #11 on: January 02, 2007, 08:17 AM »

I do not mean to be too explicit but it is a matter that has to be addressed fast and sharply.  Nice suggestion Dru. I support that African Americans should be assumes and really taken seriously as a new tribe and ethinicity as well as every Nigerian, be it Yoruba , Hausa, Urhobo , and Igbo.

but the problem is where did they come from and where are they going? they are a bunch of loud mouths who think they know so much about life when they are largely immoral in numbers and egocentric and ill mannered,  something tells me that if they were white or regarded as white in some way that they would do worse than racism ever existed in America because as far as what I have heard from my friends and sibblings in the states that they are very ill-manner though they feel easily insecure when they pick up on an African Decent making him remind the African Americans that they are one and the same but the only reason they they are different is that one party knows its Origin and the other is just a blabber mouth egoed by Pride.

well I still support the African Americans for I beleive that they should be listened to. Condalezza Rice should consider this and give them a polity of their own. a country and a president, infact a place that should be called theirs incase of referrence maybe a president and anyother features a country has since they already have their own language (aight!!!) y'all goin know sumtin I is try ta tell ya all aight!!! (African American Language).

I think they should be moved to a country called EUTHOPIA,  but the problem is we should call all african country leaders together and delegate on putting it on a map specially for African Americans maybe near Ethiopia,

I beleive in fighting for the rights of the unjust and minorities in the states, even I as a fellow black man,  African Americans wake up and treat your brother black man as a brother and not some black man foreigner because you are more of a foreigner in the end because you both came into the states the same way just at different times,  the black african decent man has a place to go to once he is tru with getting his money and the same green card you have,  he has africa as his home which you do not have, so treat him like a brother that he is and not some one different,  you can't get what you do not have, never heard of african american as a tribe,  its just a desciption so have a rethink,  see you all in the next replies
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #12 on: January 02, 2007, 08:20 AM »

Wait wasn't Liberia the place for freed slaves?
What has become of Liberia now,
Hero (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #13 on: January 02, 2007, 08:47 AM »

Quote from: JosBoy4Lif on January 02, 2007, 08:20 AM
Wait wasn't Liberia the place for freed slaves?
What has become of Liberia now,

Yeah, the Amerigos or those AA descendants who created that nation, never had the nation wholly to themselves,  they had to share it with natives who were present there already. This didn't work out at all. The AA were on a whole different technical and social level from that of the Natives, and in the minds of the AA, the Natives pretty much became an nuisance and problem from them. In the end, to handle the situation,  the AA ended up created a Jim Crow like system in the nation in which placed them in permanent position of power and the natives in a permanent position of subservience,  right up until the time that the the nations first Civil War broke out.

 It was the AA or Amerigos as they were referred to as,  that helled the vast majority of the well educated in the nation, major business owners in the nation, made up all but a tiny few of the political positions, and in general all of the know how in how to run and maintain a nation, so when the Civil War came at the hands of the nation's Army in which was run by mostly AA Generals  though manned by mostly native solders,  many AA left the nation to go back to the US and or other places upon the Army via the guidance of its most influential Native general  kicked them out of power---- while in the process killing nearly all of the top AA political figures and many others. This loss of the nation's elite AA population spelled devastation for the nations economy and stability, and till this day they're feeling the effects of it.

If massive group of AA go back to Africa to establish a homeland for AA, then the Liberia experience has shown us that they would have to do so on a chunk of land barren of any Native people or at least very little of them present.   
Donzman (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #14 on: January 02, 2007, 08:53 AM »

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I think they should be moved to a country called EUTHOPIA,  but the problem is we should call all african country leaders together and delegate on putting it on a map specially for African Americans maybe near Ethiopia,

It's funny you suggest they go over to Ethiopia. Why don't you give them a part of your father's land in Nigeria?. . . We all know that most of them didn't come from anywhere close to Ethiopia.

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If massive group of AA go back to Africa to establish a homeland for AA, then the Liberia experience has shown us that they would have to do so on a chunk of land barren of any Native people or at least very little of them present. 

If they actually came and not tried to maltreat the natives, they could have lived in peace. No they didn't do that , they wanted to treat the natives like rubbish and no doubt, they deserve whatever they got.
Sista (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #15 on: January 02, 2007, 09:11 AM »

@Hero


I was getting my hair braided the other day by a friend of mines, she is Liberian. She was telling me that AA's who went  back to Africa to live in Liberia were the products of slave and slave master relationships, in other words Mulatto's.

She said that a lot of the slave masters sent their children to Liberia because they thought they would do better in Africa as oppose to America. She told me that when those Mulatto's arrived, they started thinking they were much better than the Africans who were already there, she said they were acting that way because they were mixed with white. I don't know if it is true but that is what she said.

Which makes me wonder, in reference to "a new ethnic group" I have always wondered about what determinds ethnic identity? To me, mixed people are very unique in a sense that they are actually half of black and white. Because I am a descendant of African slaves, more than likely I have white blood in me but if you looked at me, you would not be able to tell. My mothers sided of the family is from New Orleans so you know what that means? My fathers side on the other hand is from Birmingham Alabama. Of course, my mothers side has way more light skin relatives and my dads side has  dark to dark brown relatives. I came out darker than both my mother and father. I consider my self to be more black than anything, any white blood in me is almost non existant. A lot of Africans consider their self to be pure but they have been colonized by the British. I think that most of them have just as much of white blood in them as I may have but still, they think they are pure and I think that is due to he fact that they were born in Africa?

Point I am trying to get to is, if you were to create a city for half and half black and white people to live in and they went about procreating for generations to generation, that city of mulatto's would eventually turn into a country of every now and then browns and mostly high yellow people. Those people would descend from mulatto's and there ethnic group would be described as mulatto's because it was mulatto's who procreated with each other.

If you took people like me who are mixed but you can't tell that they are not 100% black and put them in a city with a bunch of people who are the same (like me) you would eventually have a country of brown people with occasional yellows, (not high yellows) running around. Who would those people then be classified as? hmm

If you have people who are clearly mulatto's mixing in with people like me who is not a mulatto but mixed with many African bloods and a spot of white, what would the mixing of those types of two people create?
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #16 on: January 02, 2007, 09:16 AM »

I'm so confused at your post Sista?
Donzman (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #17 on: January 02, 2007, 09:18 AM »

Same here. . . What are you getting at?   Undecided
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #18 on: January 02, 2007, 09:19 AM »

As far as Iam concerned as long as you have the slightest trait of black,
You are considered Black to me. Simple nothing more or less

If I were do to DNA testing you would probably find a trace of Arabic in ME. So what?
It profoundly cheeses me when I hear AA's and Carribeans saying my Great Great grandfather was scottish! So what?


Hero (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #19 on: January 02, 2007, 09:21 AM »

Sista, there's already a nation like that. It's called Puerto Rico.  Cheesy Grin
Donzman (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #20 on: January 02, 2007, 09:23 AM »

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As far as Iam concerned as long as you have the slightest trait of black,
You are considered Black to me. Simple nothing more or less

Why isn't it the other way around?. . . Why does a drop of white blood not make you white?. . . You only have to be pure to be white, for what reason?
righocream (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #21 on: January 02, 2007, 09:29 AM »

when I said EUTHOPIA, I did not meant ETHIOPIA or anything similar coutry wise to that Mr. Donzman, by using the word EUTHOPIA I meant to say its a way of projecting my sacarcim in a literary way. euthopia simply means some where some dreamer or people who live in fantasies execute their imaginations. like someones euthopia which is an unexisting world,

do I make myself clear boi?

mixing people does not matter sista, but so far they aint stupid and over brainwahsed like you and living like animals like people among the leaders of the world today,  you know them but let me announce to you all some hints,  presiddent osabanjo of the largest black population in africa,  just imagine bringing a woman like him into another country and you can imagine what the population could bring in,  a vast immoral, stupid,heartless, ungrateful, ugly monkeyed race, and you can imagine what kind of of animal people he would procreat,  Gosh! the thoughts of this hurts my brain.
Sista (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #22 on: January 02, 2007, 09:30 AM »

@Josboy4lif


I understand your confusion because even I was confused as I was writing it  Grin

Basically, people argue that AA's do not look like C/A's. Many of the ones who say this are encountering the ones who have the so called good hair and light skin, they are not on a large scale encountering the dark and kinky hair AA's which many of them do exist. Also, if they would just open their eyes, they would also see that even in the light skin so called good hair AA's, there is an African face.


Mulatto's are mixed 50-50 half white, half black. If you put them together with other mulatto's and those mulatto's procreate over a period of time, any children they created over the generations would be classified as mulatto's because they descend from mulatto's.

People like me, I am not half of anything but I have many African bloods and a spot of white, most people and I must say my self, classify me as black and of African descent. There is never any mention of the white in me because the white is almost non existent. If you put many people like me together and we procreate, any children that descend from us would be classified as Black and of African descent.

However, when people like me mix with mulatto's, what is the off spring classified as?


That is or was my point  Wink

Ethnic  is difficult to classify when mixing occurs, especially when the ethnicity's are opposite white and black.

For Africans, it is simple, if you are born in Africa you are African but if you are mixed white, they just call you white or in Nigeria oyibo. How can C/A's dismiss the white blood in them that is clearly there due to colonization? Are they still pure? and if they are not pure, what do we then call them?


This is why ethnic classification is so confusing.
JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #23 on: January 02, 2007, 09:32 AM »

Quote from: Donzman on January 02, 2007, 09:23 AM
Why isn't it the other way around?. . . Why does a drop of white blood not make you white?. . . You only have to be pure to be white, for what reason?
Donzman if the white man chooses not to accept it the other way around that is their problem
I'm just saying that I will accept my mized brother as an equal black man. Few white people would do the same.
This is nothing political, just a belief I whole near to me
Sista (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #24 on: January 02, 2007, 09:33 AM »

@Hero


Hero, you are Puerto Rican or mixed Puerto Rican, aren't you? You are so cute and you look Puerto Rican/AA  Wink
mamaput (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #25 on: January 02, 2007, 09:35 AM »

My Dear Hero I was not there and you were also not there .
Your people have never won a War.
Your people knew for long what was going on and were even turning back Jewish ships.
Was it not your people discriminating Jews too.
Is it not your people killing off Tribes in the name of democracy and Christianity.(mostly women and Children)
In this day and age and not hindered years ago.
Donzman (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #26 on: January 02, 2007, 09:36 AM »

@righocream

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I think they should be moved to a country called EUTHOPIA,  but the problem is we should call all african country leaders together and delegate on putting it on a map specially for African Americans maybe near Ethiopia,


That is your quote so I assume you meant UTOPIA and decided to use EUTHOPIA as a pun. I come to this conclusion because over my 1000+ years of reading the dictionary, I never came across the word EUTHOPIA. Well you could have been clearer with that. First rule of writing, some people won't be thinking on the same plane as you so ensure you carry everyone along.

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do I make myself clear boi

 Either you didn't know how to spell UTOPIA or you're just bad at delivering sarcasm or both. That is the only clear thing as at now.

JosBoy4Lif (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #27 on: January 02, 2007, 09:37 AM »

@ Sista

My propblem is this whole classification of a thing.
WE as black people need to see ourselves as equals.
There are very fair indiginous people in Nigeria alone! it would be wrong to say that these people are not "pure"
We are all black so let us move on.
Donzman (m)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #28 on: January 02, 2007, 09:41 AM »

@JosBoy4lyfe

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Donzman if the white man chooses not to accept it the other way around that is their problem
I'm just saying that I will accept my mized brother as an equal black man. Few white people would do the same.
This is nothing political, just a belief I whole near to me

Are you accepting the mixed person because he's classified black or first and foremost, because he is a human being? So you wouldn't accept them if they were classified as just mixed?. . . I'll accept a mixed person as an human being.

You might also want to figure out why you hold that belief because it definitely isn't innate, could it maybe be due to the fact that whites choose to classify mixed folks as blacks because to them, you can only be classified white if you're "pure"?. . . hmm, long night!

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There are very fair indiginous people in Nigeria alone! it would be wrong to say that these people are not "pure"
We are all black so let us move on.

This is what I do not get, why can't we be all HUMAN BEINGS (as opposed to black/white) and move on?
Sista (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #29 on: January 02, 2007, 09:42 AM »

@Josboy4lif

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My propblem is this whole classification of a thing.
WE as black people need to see ourselves as equals.
There are very fair indiginous people in Nigeria alone! it would be wrong to say that these people are not "pure"
We are all black so let us move on.


I totally agree with you and believe you me, all that I said was just for the sake of contributing food for thought to the topic and playing devils advocate. There is always to sides to a story. In some cases three and four sides and so forth.
mamaput (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #30 on: January 02, 2007, 09:45 AM »

Back to the Topic
As long as AA people are still looking for what to call themselves , they are lost.
When they have settled on a name they are found.
Sista (f)
Re: Are African Americans A "new Ethnicity"?
« #31 on: January 02, 2007, 09:48 AM »

@Donzman

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Are you accepting the mixed person because he's classified black or first and foremost, because he is a human being? So you wouldn't accept them if they were classified as just mixed?. . . I'll accept a mixed person as an human being

You are missing the point. It is no doubt that we are human, stop saying what white people say when people begin to expose white people for their cleverness in their attempt of taking over of the world.


Bottom line, white people get treated a certain way because they are white humans, people with any evident color hinting towards black or black descent, those humans get treated a certain way because they are showing color that hints towards black. That is the bottom line.

Josboy4lif is basically saying that any people ,humans especially black people, they all share the same experience when it comes to being non white. He will not see them as not being his brothers and sisters just because they have a hint of white in them, that is what he is saying, at least that is what I think he was saying  Undecided Josboy4lif, please clarify?
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