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NINETOFIVE (m)
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chichimma, Indeed, the world is not fair but I don't see what the problem is showing this video. As 9-2-5 mentioned he experienced this and he want people to know about the situation, which is informing and not soliciting to hate. At least not in my case, I just learned more about the motives and ideology of this group. If people are aware of these informations is really going to help them in a very tremendous way, people don't know there is a very proportionate numbers of Africans studying in Russia or that prepearing to go and study in Russia, if I was aware of this problem it would have helped me too, the bible said that we should be our brothers keeper, and this is exactly my own part that am doing, a lot of people would talk about God but they don't know what God is all about, knowing God is about feeling for others and doing selfless things, After all am not in Russia any more, I could say to hell with it people should go through the same thing I went through, but obviously my starting this thread shows that is not the case, but if any body says is not important, that means automatically if the person goes through the same thing is alright with the person, so be it. he want people to know about the situation, which is informing and not soliciting to hate. At least not in my case, I just learned more about the motives and ideology of this group
The most interesting thing about this whole thing is that I should have ignored people am very sure they are not qualified and can not be trusted to come with a very puissant and righteous argument on this case because of lack of experience, which they visibly abjure as unimportant because of an intense level of ignorance, is it not a thing of surprise that I should be having this argument with somebody who has stayed in Europe only for 10 months and in a place like Britain where everything has been controlled, well I think I got carried away because most of the time they pusillanimously start talking of my family instead of discursing the issue on the table, and every normal person would freak out and this is pellucid. You see you can't really help an ignorant person and a person that is ready to sell his birth right because of a crumb of bread, or why else would any one think one is soliciting for people to hate in this case, like you rightly said some people have eyes but they can't see , some of the idiots that comes here to look funny lives in the UK, where if people goes through any kind injustice they would pursue the case to any level and come out on TV, talk about it and create awareness just for people not to go through the same thing, I guess those people are equally trying to solicit for people to hate, one thing is sure my Sister we should all learn to stay away from people with inferiority complex or an epigone cause they can climb any mountain just to sound unreasonable. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Again, I highly agree this is not the only problem the world is facing but it is essential to be aware of issues around you or people that involve you. It is only a fool that don't want to know what is happening around him, moreover ignorance or fear from people. Besides, we are on a racism page. I could not agree more, you are just right if people don't want to hear why would they not just take a walk. 9-2-5 I always say let those that want to hear hear and them that want to see see! Thank you 9-2-5 for showing this video! I am very disgusted and sad with what is happening to immigrants over there. I must say I am even more sad with the reactions of the majority of the people. Thank you very much, this is the way Nigerians are, is so amazing that most Nigerians are suffering from acute self hate, that blinds them from the truth even when they or their relation may be in danger for not acting on the said information, they all assume they appear civilized when they sound so disgusting, and this is common with people with very low IQ. I do not like this part of the forum because people tend to insult, get-off-base and personalize things easy. People grow up and leave things that have nothing to do with the topic out of it like family or children! Thank you my Sister once again , and these are people who has the gut to even call the name of God, there is no kind of people that wont claim they are believers, even when you can't see anything about Christianity in there behavior, a pagan would have even known that family is a sacred thing, that you don't go there, let God be the Judge. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To Ndipe, Even here in America, there are some blacks who are racist towards whites because of some past/unresolved injustices. This is explicable but it does not mean it should be left unsolved, we all know is as a result of past malfeasance which could be solved by some sort of reparation and striving to create a level of comity in the society, but on the contrary we can't associate any reason to why blacks are attacked around the world, and any recommendation to leave it and live with it is fetid and can only be described as nostrum. Listen people. The world is not fair, there would always be some miscreant fellow in the pack of level headed individuals, so lets not act surprised that racism just occured today . People can only sound this simplistic when they or anybody related to them has not faced this problem, I would rather prefare to learn from what that happened to others than waiting for experience to be my teacher, that I may advice you to. There are some caucasians, concerned in eliminating racism in the world, like William Wilberforce whose stance against slavery has given him a berth in the history book. So we should leave the elimination of racism only to the Caucasians, while people die?, when all it takes is to create the awareness that would make your Caucasians to know how alive this problem is today, and the last time I checked the Caucasians are not the people the sufferers of racism but perpetrators, for the few good Caucasians that want to eliminate racism to work effectively at least the information of where racial acts are committed on daily bases would surely come in handy, is pellucid that Caucasians would do more in combating racism because is their problem. At the same time, there were some blacks who sold their own people for a bottle of gin, so the world is not fair. and this to you is a perfect reason not to do anything, what an out bust of excess cogitative prowess, the last time I checked there are some white women that convert into Muslim and carry out terrorism, but I 've not seen anybody that uses that as a prerequisite not to fight terrorism around the world, black people what is wrong with us? |
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mamaput (f)
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One cannot overlook the fact that most skinheads are from eastblock countries.
Even in Germany most of them are in the former east German section.
The second think is that most of them are uneducated jobless people.
Do you really think that if most of them had a job, an education and some money in their pocket that they will have time for their "Seig heiling".?
That second Video i watched i did not know if i should laugh or cry.
Theses people are the White trash of the society.
The little girl did also say they mother dose not have money to send them to school.
But they have horses.
But sometimes its the stupid people one has to fear more then they have nothing to lose.
I have also heard of the situation in Russia. A young man i grew up with was thrown out of a train.He relocated to the UK.
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toshmann (m)
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 guys listen. 1. racism is real.make no mistake. it is worse in eastern europe, russia etc. 2. racism is not our worst problem now. i don't think those worthless skin heads will be able to kill over 100 blacks by the end of january. but over 5,000 africans will be dead by the end of this month from preventable causes: malaria(of all things), HIV/AIDS, war/conflict, famine, accidents (due to bad roads and bad cars. products of bad leadership and poverty) plane crash, fire (we have no fire depts) cultism, political thuggery . . . , fuel fire from burst pipes, the list is endless. i had the honor of being with a medical Dr at FMC owerri and i asked him if i'm bitten by a poisonous snake will they be able to treat me. he looked at me and smiled and said if it happens, i'll die b/c that hospital(arguably the biggest in imo state) does not have anti snake venom vials in the casualty. so i'll die and he'll have to sign my death certificate. and we were walking on grass where snakes are!!! these are preventable and they don't cost much. let us handle these issues first.
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toshmann (m)
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and for those talking about videos, why do you think the nigerian govt banned every video of the civil war? these things can spark off violence. cartoons of mohammed in denmark led to killings in nigeria. bodies of slaughtered ibos sent down to onitsha led to counter slaughtering in onitsha. videos of the german ambassador's body in france, killed by a jew led to the "night of broken glasses" in germany in 1939(or 1938) which was a precursor of the ignoble anti semitic 3rd reich. see what the cell phone video of saddam hussein's execution is doing at the moment. someone talks of being your brother's keeper. those black people in russia are suffering unjustly, make no mistake. but their brothers in africa are dying in greater numbers. they are dying at a greater rate than US marines in iraq. I challenge everyone here, anytime u go home, visit the nearest teaching hospital, go to hospital records. there u'll see people die everyday. and many people don't come to hospital o.they die at home or at native Dr's place. these are the issues. the white man may be racist. but toshmann is not. if you are racist, u have joined the white man in his game. it is his nature and u know what? u can't beat him in his own game. but remember, if u hate the white man, u had better get out of his land. i don't like them. but i don't hate them either. i treat them on an individual basis. peace  |
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toshmann (m)
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and anybody who wants to talk about God should go to the bible and read it well. u'll find out that Jesus was very interested in the welfare of the weak and oppressed.he laid serious emphasis on the emancipation of the poor from the stranglehold of poverty. this is because christ appreciates the link between poverty and crime/violence/prostitution/drugs/disease/death/even racism. as someone pointed out earlier, the majority of those white skinheads are uneducated and jobless. see. and this poverty has been living in africa, quietly killing millions each year and nobody is shouting. 3000 died on 9/11 and the world has not known peace since then, how many people have died from violence in nigeria. just one riot in the north can claim the number and case is closed after the riots. okay u guys don't know that it is usually poor and unemployed people who participate in those riots? poverty is the greatest terrorist in the world today. and its headquarters is in motherland africa. let us announce it to the world. our children are dying, our pregnant women are dying, no oxygen in our hospitals, since i was born i have never seen an ambulance rushing to save a life in nigeria. they are now used to carry the dead and they have been very busy. someone talks about God and yet he curses another person saying it may it never be well with me. well i was reading God's word last night and guess what?i read psalm 128 verse 2, the 2nd part. it says. . . . happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee. i fear no evil. not even from a fake scientist |
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paddy_lo (m)
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I think where some of these videos can be most useful is in discouraging young Nigerians(who are mostly naive),from going to these eastern bloc countriesi actually do remember when i was in Nigeria last,one of my friends was asking me about going to russia,and i think i told him that i would prefer the western european countries for him to go to, since most in the east are actually trooping to the west due to lack of jobs. . .
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To Mamaput, One cannot overlook the fact that most skinheads are from eastblock countries. Now how can anybody in his right mind conclude that mamaput is saying this just because she is racist, she is just saying the truth and it does not change whom she is, hornest people would say the truth no matter there circumstances [ this equally applies to NINETOFIVE], these are only the people that can be trusted in this wicked world, I 've always known that there is something nice about you, from now I 've got your back for real Even in Germany most of them are in the former east German section. Of course those areas were under Russian control for a long time, so it wont be surprising if a substantial number of the population of those areas are of Russian descent. The second think is that most of them are uneducated jobless people. They say an idle mind is a devil's work shop. Do you really think that if most of them had a job, an education and some money in their pocket that they will have time for their "Seig heiling".? This is the area many people don't understand, the problem is not solely because they are Jobless, though it contributes to the reason why they are available to be recruited, the skinheads in Russia wears Uniform, which is a clear sign that somebody that is not jobless and well off is sponsoring these movements, and that the Russian Government couldn't careless. But sometimes its the stupid people one has to fear more then they have nothing to lose. Word so true. I have also heard of the situation in Russia. A young man i grew up with was thrown out of a train.He relocated to the UK.
A friend of my friend had to jump into' '''tube rail tunell'' while been chased by skinheads and while a train was approaching in a broad day light, and in a very busy tube station in Moscow, obviously there were cameras there that would have shot the event but nobody did anything, he was surprised to be alive, can all these ignorants ranting here tell any of these people why this thing should not be exposed. |
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toshmann (m)
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racism is bad. there's no debate there. what goes on in russia is unacceptable.no debate. but what if the british start to post videos of the kidnappings of the niger delta in their website what do you think may happen?
we can make more progress in life as a race if we focus on our deepest problems which are killing our people in millions.
but videos may spark fierce hatred and possible violence. remember saddam videos.
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chichimma (f)
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Yes, videos sparks violence and anger! However, I am happy to know about these things then not knowing at all. I rather read, hear or see about a happening than be caught in the middle of things by surprise. Movies or videos that show serious issues that is going on should not be banned whetehr it is the past or present! There are always people that are going to spark and people that can learn from it ! If people want to protest or demonstrate ( peacefully) against these groups it is not a crime. However, I doubt that happening!There are many movies of the Holocaust? These movies can either solicit hate or let one learn from its past experiences @ Toshmann Do you know in many schools in Europe they don't teach about black slavery? For example, in the Netherlands they still have a crazy tradition ongoing whereby a white person is painted black with an afro wig and red lipstick trying to act as a black( zwarte piet) and its white master (Sinterklaas) suppossingly the zwarte piet fell from the chimney and became black, yeah right. Everyone accept this even the blacks just because they don't know the history well . Many blacks in the Netherlands do not believe they are descendants from Africa! Let me not go too much off base, I know there are many things going on in Africa concerning, health,mortality, safety, poverty and security and so on these issues are very essential for us to look at as well. Nevertheless, we are on a racism page where these issues are the topic of discussion. In conclusion, I am happy this video was shown it did not make me to hate but to learn and see the ideology of this people. It makes me aware of what is happening in that country. It did not make me to demonstrate or spit on anyone that is white or Russian but feel sorry for their empty lifes with no prospects, love or true joy. I doubt that Africans will start a violent campaign concerning these groups. However, if they start a peaceful campaign of demonstration I won't hesitate to join. This counts also for the other issues that are encountered in Africa but I don't think that a campaign or demonstration is part of any of these solutions over there. So, Toshmann if you want to talk about other problems that is facing Africans today in our homelands I don't mind joining just notify me on the page,  |
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Sista (f)
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Hello Paddy-lo how are you tonight?
I am getting off line now, Nairaland has become quite a bore lately.
Any way, talk later and I will try to catch you on Yahoo Instant messenger.
Good night.
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mamaput (f)
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9 to 5 it is the same situation we have in the north.
One richfat Alhaji will feed some poor Muslims. and when its time he will send them "Hunting".
Skinhead has to be defined.
The big fat racist that mobilizes them is a Nazi not a skinhead.
And many a times he hides his face form the world (Its bad for business).
Like in all crime sections its always hard finding the head.
Its a world wide organization by now.Then they too make use of the www.
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mamaput (f)
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wanted to add such big movements need money.
We may all be verysuprised to find out who and who plays the "Fatherchrismas" for these people
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toshmann (m)
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@ Toshmann
Do you know in many schools in Europe they don't teach about black slavery? For example, in the Netherlands they still have a crazy tradition ongoing whereby a white person is painted black with an afro wig and red lipstick trying to act as a black( zwarte piet) and its white master (Sinterklaas) suppossingly the zwarte piet fell from the chimney and became black, yeah right. Everyone accept this even the blacks just because they don't know the history well . Many blacks in the Netherlands do not believe they are descendants from Africa! Let me not go too much off base, I know there are many things going on in Africa concerning, health,mortality, safety, poverty and security and so on these issues are very essential for us to look at as well. Nevertheless, we are on a [b]racism page where these issues are the topic of discussion.[/b] and u think those figures from motherland africa are not part of racism? u think the greatest racists are those so called skin heads? think again. the niggest racists are the chief executives of organisations like IMF, WORLD BANK, REPUBLICAN PARTY, HALLIBURTON, ETC not some riff raffs. those skin heads are easy tools in the hands of the major racists. ponder. why do you think nobody teaches slavery in dutch schools? because the major racists as i said are sitting in big offices taking major decisions on education. they control the brain of those who are not enlightened. that's why they controlled some of our foolish leaders into misrule for european benefit, debts, etc. my dear, they are the ones who rush to sell weapons to struggling economies to fight wars instead of doing more reasonable things. there are a lot of things u need to know. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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To Mamaput 9 to 5 it is the same situation we have in the north. You see that is the way it works, you start to wonder why somebody here would want something like that hidden, while the same person exposes that of the north [ if you read backwards you would know whom am talking about ] on the pretext that it would offend the British, what a laugh, you want to ask the person what the British got to do with Russian skinheads, the British would be the first people to expose some thing like that, why are we going very far, the presenter in this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8266576438139708241 Ross Kemp is a British man. One richfat Alhaji will feed some poor Muslims. and when its time he will send them "Hunting".
Skinhead has to be defined. Yes that is why the northerners don't want there people to go to school so they can manipulate them any how, in the case of Russian skinheads is very obvious that is somebody on top that is sponsoring them, or how can one explain that skinheads wears uniform in Moscow and police sees them and do not arrest them , knowing fully well that they kill people. The big fat racist that mobilizes them is a Nazi not a skinhead.
And many a times he hides his face form the world (Its bad for business).
Like in all crime sections its always hard finding the head. The funniest thing is that in most cases the head is someone everybody knows. Its a world wide organization by now.Then they too make use of the www.
Many people don't know what is going on, most of the websites are written in European languages other than English [ though there are still millions of sites written in English ], so a lot of people come across these sites and don't have any clue what is been said in these sites, but for me a person that understands almost all European Languages is a different case all together. |
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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wanted to add such big movements need money.
We may all be verysuprised to find out who and who plays the "Fatherchrismas" for these people
In the case of Russian skinheads their ''Onyisi ala'' has been accused many times, you know what I mean. |
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chichimma (f)
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and u think those figures from motherland africa are not part of racism? u think the greatest racists are those so called skin heads?
I never said that the greatest racists are the ones displayed on the video! My point is that these videos are good to bring out in the open even though if anger will spark! Its better to know what is happening than to walk in darkness. People will want to know (I do) what is happening around them not everyone knows. Especially Africans that want to go abroad for greener pastures (thinking its paradise) to any country this information can be helpfull. AAt the end of the day people can see these movies and still go to that country but at least nothing will hit them by surprise.
Some of the problems you mentioned facing our motherland has/have something to do with bad leadership, greed and loothing besides racism. My contribution to this forum was merely to point out that I support the idea of showing the video for awareness rather than people were thinking its solicit hate and were attacking the person that posted it. |
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toshmann (m)
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yea chi-chi, the problems of motherland africa has a lot to do with bad leadership. but the west has a way of controlling african leadership. when they see something in an african leader that is not in their interest they frustrate the guy and also if they find a "mugu" they can control they help the "mugu" to loot the nation in the interest of the west. it didn't begin today. they eliminated promising african leaders in the past, kwame nkrumah, patrice lumumba, etc they frustrated julius nyerere. but when they see a mugu like obasanjo they control and support the mugu. that is why obasanjo decided to pay nigeria's debt and expect us to clap for him. how can poor nigeria, where people are dying in their numbers, no good schools, no good roads, no good hospitals, no good anything, excruciating poverty, etc be asked to cough out billions of dollars to pay western countries which are already rich and should be sending aid to us?and yet the west says they send us aid and people agree. this is where racism comes in. when the rich white western executives/leaders orchestrate a structure that will ensure we remain poor. achebe made mention of western domination in africa in this thread http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-34518.0.html these are the things that annoy me that money obasanjo is giving them could have been used for better things to improve our lives and reduce poverty, disease and ultimately death. but no, the money went to the west. how much did we even borrow from them sef? |
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toshmann (m)
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secondly, no amt of videos and explanations can stop people at home from coming over here. no amt of explanation can dissuade them from trying to come to europe/america. just try convincing a child. on the contrary those videos can cause bad blood in an exuberant black here in europe. and yet the white guy next door does not even know it. who looses. the videos wont improve awareness as much as they'll cause vehemence. somebody in this thread has already talked of carrying his weapon. see?
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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The chief antagonizer here does not know that it is people so brain washed like him that hopes that the west would one day throw manna from their heaven to Africans that courses the problem we have in Africa, because God forbid if they have an opportunity to get into the government they become mugu to the west, while he treats the feelings of the west with excessive level of cosset , he was ready to issue a profuse level of fulmination on the author of this threat, even to the extent of attacking family and children, waving the fact that you and the author are consanguineous, that level of being delusional is very difficult to attain and only very few people really can achieve that.
When will Africans know that only Africans can help Africa, and that the west are in no obligation what so ever to help Africans or give Africans aid, a smart person would have asked who gives the west aid?, the greatest punishment Africans are facing is making their geniuses feel shy, when their talents should be tapped, the greatest nations on the earth were build on the knowledge of very few people, the problem the third world countries are facing is not bad leadership but ignorance, because when you don't know the problem you are facing or the course of your problems it does not automatically make you a bad person [ I 'll probably start a new thread to prove this].
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Donzman (m)
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@925
You know fully well you just didn't post those things for "informational" purposes. Go to any hate website and what they do is the exact same thing you're doing - showing the most negative part of the individuals they're advocating hate for. This is the same aim you're trying to achieve so get out of that "information" umbrella.
You're posting those things so people who get these images of Russians and whites in general as evil beyond reach. You fail to point out that these guys are the minorities in the population and aren't exactly held to any high esteem. If you wanted to give real information, you could have done that. No, you're acting like the racist whites instead, post half-truths and let uninformed minds become corrupt.
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NINETOFIVE (m)
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Donzman,
No Donzman my brother listen to me, you will never know the extent this thing has gotten to in Russia if you are in the west, the last Russian national startistics shows that 9 out of 10 Russian teens are ready to join Skinhead, and that is by far not minority, I read and listen to Russian news every day, of course in the west there are far more good white people than the bad ones, am not generalizing, far from it.
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toshmann (m)
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[ I 'll probably start a new thread to prove this].
abeg start. i'm looking forward to some rational discussion |
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davidylan (m)
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na wa oh
na wa oh! who are you? |
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