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Atheists
Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« on: October 27, 2009, 10:33 AM »

Does the crime on not believing in a god who refuses to show himself warrant burning for eternity in fire and brimstone ?
ttalks (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #1 on: October 27, 2009, 10:59 AM »

Do you know that the very popular belief that burning in hell for eternity might not be so?
Do you know that (yes there is the Lake of Fire) this hell which is well known might not be what everybody thinks it is?
Do you know that the stuff said in Revelations are very symbolic stuff and not literal stuff?

Hell is not as everybody is making it out to be.
True it is a place/period/realm of torment but it is for a time and for a reason.
ttalks (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #2 on: October 27, 2009, 11:10 AM »

Compare these two portions of scripture:

Rev 20:12-15
(12)  And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
(13)  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
(14)  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(15)  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

1Co 3:11-15
(11)  For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(12)  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(13)  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(14)  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(15)  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Make your own conclusions there.
OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #3 on: October 27, 2009, 11:26 AM »

Quote from: Atheists on October 27, 2009, 10:33 AM
Does the crime on not believing in a god who refuses to show himself warrant burning for eternity in fire and brimstone ?

Why are you unecessarily troubled about a place you believe doesn't exist?
OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #4 on: October 27, 2009, 11:40 AM »

Quote from: ttalks on October 27, 2009, 10:59 AM
Do you know that the very popular belief that burning in hell for eternity might not be so?
Do you know that (yes there is the Lake of Fire) this hell which is well known might not be what everybody thinks it is?
Do you know that the stuff said in Revelations are very symbolic stuff and not literal stuff?

Hell is not as everybody is making it out to be.
True it is a place/period/realm of torment but it is for a time and for a reason.

  • Did you know that Satan would rather have you take the book of Genesis as myth instead of historical facts that tells us of his entry into this world and reminds him of his prophesied Judgment ?
  • Did you know that Satan would rather have you take the book of Revelation as mystery instead of the eternal truth that reveals his inglorious exit and eternal doom with all his agents?
  • Did you know that Satan knows enough Bible passages to deceive mankind into believing hell does not exist?
OLAADEGBU (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #5 on: October 27, 2009, 12:02 PM »

Quote from: ttalks on October 27, 2009, 11:10 AM
Compare these two portions of scripture:

Rev 20:12-15
(12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
(13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
(14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This is talking about the Judgment of the wicked dead.  It should be grievous for any Christian to make light of or joke about this.  These verses should make every true Christian weep and cry to God on behalf of the unsaved and, then motivate us plead with sinners to turn to the Saviour.

Quote from: ttalks on October 27, 2009, 11:10 AM
1Co 3:11-15
(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Make your own conclusions there.

This is talking about the Judgment of believer's works which I believe is at the Bema Seat of Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:15, says: "If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames." The passage (1 Corinthians 3:12-15) is using an illustration of things going through fire as a description of believers’ works being judged.  If our works are of good quality "gold, silver, costly or precious stones," they will pass through the fire unharmed, and we will be rewarded for them.  If our works are of poor quality "wood, hay, and straw," they will be consumed by the fire, and there will be no reward.  The passage does not say that believers pass through the fire, but rather that a believer’s works pass through the fire.  1 Corinthians 3:15 refers to the believer "escaping through the flames," not "being cleansed by the flames" unless you believe in the doctrine of purgatory.

Remember, this is the judgment of believers' works:
1.  Subjects:  Believers (Galatians 6:8; Eph.6:8; Col.3:24; 2Cor.5:10)
2.  Time:  Between the rapture and the second advent (Lk.14:14)
3.  Place:  In heaven (1 Cor.9:24-27; Rom.14:10; 2Cor.5:10)
4.  Basis:  Works, both good and bad (1Cor.3:11-15; 2Cor.5:10; Matt.165:27; Rom.2:6; 2Tim.4:14)
5.  Result:  Reward or loss of reward, but never loss of one's soul for any wrong doings properly confessed and forgiven (1Cor.3:11-15).  This judgment deals with the believer as a servant (Rom.14; 2Cor.5:10,11)
Atheists
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #6 on: October 27, 2009, 05:14 PM »

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Do you know that the very popular belief that burning in hell for eternity might not be so?
Do you know that (yes there is the Lake of Fire) this hell which is well known might not be what everybody thinks it is?
Do you know that the stuff said in Revelations are very symbolic stuff and not literal stuff?

Hell is not as everybody is making it out to be.
True it is a place/period/realm of torment but it is for a time and for a reason.


Mt. 25:46 -     "They will go away to eternal punishment."

So the bible says people burn in  hell  for eternity and for me l don't understand the jurisprudence behind that system of judgment. How is it fair to have secular humanist  and Adolf Hitler burning together in hell for eternity ?
davidylan (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #7 on: October 27, 2009, 05:16 PM »

Quote from: OLAADEGBU on October 27, 2009, 11:26 AM
Why are you unecessary troubled about a place you believe doesn't exist?

I wonder. He says God doesnt exist and yet he has thread upon thread on the punishment of the same non-existent God? You gotta laugh at the insecurity of these folks.
Atheists
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #8 on: October 27, 2009, 05:33 PM »

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I wonder. He says God doesnt exist and yet he has thread upon thread on the punishment of the same non-existent God? You gotta laugh at the insecurity of these folks.

Trying to get help you guys see the light and how twisted your religious beliefs are
davidylan (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #9 on: October 27, 2009, 05:37 PM »

Quote from: Atheists on October 27, 2009, 05:33 PM
Trying to get help you guys see the light and how twisted your religious beliefs are

lol you seem too desperate to "help" us see the light. Perhaps the truth is you are the one with the problem, i dont remember any of us complaining about being in darkness. We're doing just fine so shove your help elsewhere it might be needed.
huxley (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #10 on: October 27, 2009, 05:45 PM »

If "fire and brimstone" are all symbolic, then what is so bad about hell then?  Give it to me any time.  Anywhere else MUST be far better than heaven, particularly id that stupid Jesus is there.
mantraa
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #11 on: October 27, 2009, 05:55 PM »

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lol you seem too desperate to "help" us see the light. Perhaps the truth is you are the one with the problem, i dont remember any of us complaining about being in darkness. We're doing just fine so shove your help elsewhere it might be needed.

I wish our ancestors had said that when the christians first came to africa.

In fact they probably did but were not given a choice. Now some of us still find it hard to release the chains.
lagerwhenindoubt (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #12 on: October 27, 2009, 06:42 PM »

I am just wondering which came first, the greek beliefs in Hades or the Christian belief in Hell. all seems too similar to moi  Wink
ilosiwaju
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #13 on: October 30, 2009, 04:16 PM »

1. During rapture, we are supposed to drop this sinful and physical body hence all skin cells, receptors and other biological terms i can think of. agreed?
2. If our souls(which is a virtual machine/simulation since no one has proven otherwise) are to receive the judgement, how is a spiritual entity supposed to feel physical pain
3. Most painfully, i think it's tragic and selfish to think that the purpose of life, the reasons to do good, not to kill your neighbour, to help less-privileged people etc(for hell believers, that is) are all part of a grand plan to escape eternal pain.
Wow!
 Grin Grin Grin
hell sha, ok ooo.
agathamari (f)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #14 on: October 30, 2009, 05:43 PM »

Quote from: ttalks on October 27, 2009, 10:59 AM
Do you know that the stuff said in Revelations are very symbolic stuff and not literal stuff?

its all symbolic, the whole book.  it isnt designed to be literal.  god gave us the ability to use free will and the "book" of any religion is a guide not a to do list
Ogaga4Luv (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #15 on: November 01, 2009, 11:26 AM »

Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man . . . living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money. . . . .   Cheesy  Wink.

You better use your logic now people. . . God is man made , do not be deceived anymore.Its time to stop: and think twice.
lagerwhenindoubt (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #16 on: November 03, 2009, 08:08 AM »

Quote from: Ogaga4Luv on November 01, 2009, 11:26 AM
Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man . . . living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money. . . . . Cheesy Wink.

You better use your logic now people. . . God is man made , do not be deceived anymore.Its time to stop: and think twice.


I can see you using your logic. let's see. if God does not exists, then Satan does not exists.

Just as common folks disguise their insecurity and need for superior image to identify with, dudes like you engage your devious desires and vices by building upon some goat-head, gigolo with an insane hatred for humans (like you and me)
modupe01
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #17 on: November 03, 2009, 12:14 PM »

Quote from: lagerwhenindoubt on November 03, 2009, 08:08 AM
I can see you using your logic. let's see. if God does not exists, then Satan does not exists.

Just as common folks disguise their insecurity and need for superior image to identify with, dudes like you engage your devious desires and vices by building upon some goat-head, gigolo with an insane hatred for humans (like you and me)

Spot on.
Tpia IDIOT
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #18 on: November 03, 2009, 12:55 PM »

Atheists and Satanists are confused sect
jagunlabi (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #19 on: November 03, 2009, 03:00 PM »

Quote from: Tpia IDIOT on November 03, 2009, 12:55 PM
Atheists and Satanists are confused sect
Maybe,but none of them can hold a candle to the christian sect when it come to being confused.
Undispu3rd (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #20 on: November 03, 2009, 03:57 PM »

Quote from: lagerwhenindoubt on October 27, 2009, 06:42 PM
I am just wondering which came first, the greek beliefs in Hades or the Christian belief in Hell. all seems too similar to moi Wink

                                                                                                                LOL

Ignorance is man's greastest problem! Search deep, read wide and you will discover that hell is thought to be real by almost all the religions of the world. The question is will the fact be changed if  more than half of the world belief a theory that is baseless?

Remember people use to think that the world is flat and that the earth, man's home is the centre of the universe. Nicolas C. prove that wrong and the church persecuted him claiming that he blasphem, and contracdicted the scripture!

It was later discover that even the bible is scientifically accurate and has all along holds that the earth was Sphere ______ open your Bible to Job:26,7. in KJV the hebrew word for sphere was interpreted as earth while in other translations it is correctely renderd as circle or sphere.

So the arguement here is that HELL is simply GRAVE also see Job.14:13. Compare other translations.

It is clearly against logic that the GOD of LOVE would take delight in burning humans forever in hell!

Recall that man has always put burning of individual into the mind of GOD. SEE Jer. 7:31. Here God clearly said ", niether came it into my heart"

The simple truth is Hell is a man-made invention it does not exist.
Easypizzy (f)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #21 on: November 05, 2009, 01:35 PM »

Hell is no joke! You  will believe when you get there.
Atheists
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #22 on: November 05, 2009, 01:54 PM »

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It was later discover that even the bible is scientifically accurate and has all along holds that the earth was Sphere ______ open your Bible to Job:26,7. in KJV the hebrew word for sphere was interpreted as earth while in other translations it is correctely renderd as circle or sphere.


Scientifically accurate ? The same book which tells us that diseases are caused by demons ?
hasyak (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #23 on: November 05, 2009, 02:15 PM »

PLS LET ME UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, DO WE THINK THIS WORLD IS JUST A PLACE WE COME AND GO WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY, WE HAVE TO GIVE ACCOUNT OF OUR ACTIONS, AND DEPENDING ON YOUR ACTION YOU MAY END UP IN HELL OR YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST GO FREE AFTER ALL THE ATROCITIES YOU HAVE DONE, NO WAY,  WE MUST PAY FOR OUR ACTIONS +/-
z-murda (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #24 on: November 05, 2009, 02:57 PM »

hell or jahannam is a figment of some peoples over ripe imagination foisted on us over centuries.

its a means of subjugating the masses, do you think rich men, oligarchs and so called noble men believe one bit in hell?

do u think the ayotollahs, adeboyes, oyedepos , hinns, creflos and joshuas of this world believe in hell?

hell is a tool to make their followers cower, to make them perpetual subjects.

please brethren and folks liberate your minds i beg you!
Ogaga4Luv (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #25 on: November 06, 2009, 11:49 PM »

True talk.
ccollins
Horrorful cries from Hell fire
« #26 on: November 07, 2009, 07:48 AM »

Romans chapter 1 vrs 20-25"EVER SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD HIS INVISIBLE NATURE,NAMELY ,HIS ETERNAL POWER AND DEITY,HAS BEEN CLEARKY PERCEIVED IN THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.SO THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE;FOR ALTHOUGH THEY KNEW GOD THEY DID NOT HONOUR HIM AS GOD OR GIVE THANKS TO HIM,BUT THEY BECAME FUTILE IN THEIR THINKING AND THEIR SENSELESS MINDS WERE DARKENED.CLAIMING TO BE WISE,THEY BECAME FOOLS, AND EXCHANGED THE GLORY OF THE IMMORTAL GOD FOR IMAGES RESEMBLING MORTAL MAN OR BIRDS OR ANIMALS OR REPTILES.THEREFORE GOD GAVE THEM UP IN THE LUSTS OF THEIR HEARTS TO IMPURITY,TO THE DISHONOURING OF THEIR BODIES AMONG THEMSELVES,BECAUSE THEY EXCHANGED THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD FOR A LIE AND WORSHIPPED AND SERVED THE CREATURE RATHER THAN THE CREATOR,WHO IS BLESSED FOREVER! Amen". Vrs 28" AND SINCE THEY DID NOT SEE FIT TO ACKNOWLEDGE GOD,GOD GAVE THEM UP TO A BASE MIND AND TO IMPROPER CONDUCT.
Ogaga4Luv (m)
Re: Whats The Use Of Burning In Hell For Eternity ?
« #27 on: November 10, 2009, 05:02 PM »

ccollins  you are confussed. . . .
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