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Amobi 1 (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #32 on: January 09, 2007, 09:54 PM »

you guys are so stupid, the river that divided naija said it all, break up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shango (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #33 on: January 10, 2007, 03:27 AM »

These same Sunni Radical fundamentalists killed Catholic Igbos when those Dutch cartoons where published.

And you are surprised they are doing this.

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I have first hand experience with the so-called "ethnoreligious" riots. Being a Kaduna indigene, a lifelong resident of Jos and a Northern Christian, I have had enough brushes with these fracas. I think the whole thing is more of poverty rather than religion. Those who incite the violence no doubt are radical religious leaders who are narrow-minded and those who perpetrate it are hoodlums, almajiris, miscreants etc. Rumors escalate the violence too. Jos crisis spread and was  ugly much due to rumor mongering.
The problem of religious riots truth be told is a northern thing. It is just poverty and intolerance rearing their ugly heads. An educated, self-conscious individual would not partake in such acts.
I just hope nothing will happen as time flies. Saddam Hussein death has nothing to do with Nigeria. Already, security is intensified in the North's troubled spots.Just like i always tell my Muslim arewa friends,understanding is all we need.We are the same people,religion and misjudgements should not tear us apart.
And trust me when i say this is not an Islamic or Muslim thing, sometimes even Christian Leaders incite the violence. "an eye for an eye makes the world go bllind"

I'm sorry but this post reeks of daydreams and false hopes. There is no place in the world I can think of where Islam is secular, by its nature it blends its teachings with everyday life. A country cannot have major Christain populations mixed a major moslem population. It just will not work. THat it has lasted this long is even amazing. Sooner or later people will get fedup of the tribalism, secterian favoritisms and power structure and it will all come tumbling down. Nigeria is an abstraction an all fronts.
Sista (f)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #34 on: January 10, 2007, 03:38 AM »

@Shango


Hi Shango, how are you?   Wink
NINETOFIVE (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #35 on: January 10, 2007, 05:44 AM »

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These same Sunni Radical fundamentalists killed Catholic Igbos when those Dutch cartoons where published.

And you are surprised they are doing this.


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I have first hand experience with the so-called "ethnoreligious" riots. Being a Kaduna indigene, a lifelong resident of Jos and a Northern Christian, I have had enough brushes with these fracas. I think the whole thing is more of poverty rather than religion. Those who incite the violence no doubt are radical religious leaders who are narrow-minded and those who perpetrate it are hoodlums, almajiris, miscreants etc. Rumors escalate the violence too. Jos crisis spread and was  ugly much due to rumor mongering.
The problem of religious riots truth be told is a northern thing. It is just poverty and intolerance rearing their ugly heads. An educated, self-conscious individual would not partake in such acts.
I just hope nothing will happen as time flies. Saddam Hussein death has nothing to do with Nigeria. Already, security is intensified in the North's troubled spots.Just like i always tell my Muslim arewa friends,understanding is all we need.We are the same people,religion and misjudgements should not tear us apart.
And trust me when i say this is not an Islamic or Muslim thing, sometimes even Christian Leaders incite the violence. "an eye for an eye makes the world go bllind"

I'm sorry but this post reeks of daydreams and false hopes. There is no place in the world I can think of where Islam is secular, by its nature it blends its teachings with everyday life. A country cannot have major Christain populations mixed a major moslem population. It just will not work. THat it has lasted this long is even amazing. Sooner or later people will get fedup of the tribalism, secterian favoritisms and power structure and it will all come tumbling down. Nigeria is an abstraction an all fronts.



I could not agree more, only very few deep thinkers know this, some people like to build their castle on the air, Nigeria is moribund, dictum factum.
Reverend (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #36 on: January 10, 2007, 11:45 AM »

I agree fully

That is why it would make sense for Nigeria to detach itself from the North. Let them go their own Sharia way and suffer the consequesnces. They are piss poor anyway and do not have any real future other than becoming another rogue state like Somalia.

It would make sense for a non Islamic Nigeria to concentrate on development and advancing itself on the World stage, instead of trying to bring in two-thousand year old backward laws and lifestyles  Sad

Time for a change,
Seun (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #37 on: January 10, 2007, 09:22 PM »

These people cannot over-power the Nigerian police.  If the (muslim) police is willing to act, these plans will fail.
musy (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #38 on: January 14, 2007, 02:22 PM »

i want to draw the attention of my christian brethren that violence does not pay. i think most of the people that are saying northern muslims are fanatics and they are illitrate i want them to go back into history and see for themselves maybe they were all born in the 90s. another thing i have quite agree with danmasani it is more of political and poverty that causes all this crises. please we should respect each other's religion we should avoid insulting them.
Sijien (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #39 on: January 14, 2007, 11:33 PM »

Quote from: Amobi 1 on January 09, 2007, 09:54 PM
you guys are so stupid, the river that divided naija said it all, break up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
na u stupid wel wel. olodo.
Hero (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #40 on: January 15, 2007, 12:25 AM »

I used to be of the belief that Nigeria would be better off broken up into two parts with the Muslim North becoming the nation of North Nigeria and the South the Christian dominated nation of South Nigeria, and then ((BOOM))--- another major sectarian situation became big-time news. It was the call of various SOUTH-SOUTH groups for the sovereignty of their oil and gas rich lands from Nigeria,  a call in which rapidly lead to the creation of heavily armed and organized militant groups in which are reeking havoc in the region every single day, and then I also thought about how many South Eastern Nigerians, especially those of Igbo descent continuously mention how the rest of Nigeria is holding them back from reaching their full potential, and how they have been persecuted throughout Nigerian history and shunned away from political power in the nation---- all warranting a new desire for the South East to re-seek separation from Nigeria and the arise of the second coming of BIAFRA.

Now, my question is this; if the Southerners manage to achieve their goal of separating from the North, what's the likelihood of that action from rapidly snowballing into continued levels of balkinazation--- with the South East demanding their own nation and the South South Delta States from demanding their own and in an effort to achieve their goals escalating their means to do so to even more volatile levels in seeing how such violent, volatile means have worked so well for the Northern miscreants whom wanted separation from their southern christian neighbors?

Who is to tell that you southerns upon separating from the north will not them turn on each other in demand for separation from each other? If the government leaders do not stand strong on keeping the nation together as it is, and bringing a working calm to the situation, then there is no way they could then be trusted and or counted on to do so in the parts created afterword. Within just a few years after North/South separation is achieved the Northern and Southern divisions will then go on to be forcefully balkinized in to various more pieces.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #41 on: January 15, 2007, 12:34 AM »

@ Hero If Nigeria is to break today, be rest assured that it will break along many lines. This is no longer a situation of the republic of Biafra vs the Federal republic of Nigeria. What the Ibos saw 39 years ago (that led to the civil war), the rest of the Nigerian polity is realizing that now.The Inequalities that should have been addressed with the Aburi accord is what is coming back to haunt us today. But now, it is no longer Biafra that is crying wolf.Take it or leave it, from Oduduwa to the Ogonis and even up to the middle belt region, everybody is sick and tired of the ballon called Nigeria. All they are waiting for is just a little bit of inertia and what was Nigeria will be no more.
Hero (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #42 on: January 15, 2007, 02:03 AM »

Quote from: Uche2nna on January 15, 2007, 12:34 AM
@ Hero If Nigeria is to break today, be rest assured that it will break along many lines. This is no longer a situation of the republic of Biafra vs the Federal republic of Nigeria. What the Ibos saw 39 years ago (that led to the civil war), the rest of the Nigerian polity is realizing that now.The Inequalities that should have been addressed with the Aburi accord is what is coming back to haunt us today. But now, it is no longer Biafra that is crying wolf.Take it or leave it, from Oduduwa to the Ogonis and even up to the middle belt region, everybody is sick and tired of the ballon called Nigeria. All they are waiting for is just a little bit of inertia and what was Nigeria will be no more.

Humm, in my opinion that would be one of the worst disaster of the 21st century in to have happened in Africa. The North and central part of the nation is the bread basket of the Nigeria, the South-South is the oil and gas hub, the South West is the financial and Industrial hub by far, and the South-East is the Industrial mineral hub. Nigeria is a land of economic extremes. If one section was to part from the whole then the economic outcome could be devastating to the rest.

Many folks downplay the north and central part of the nation as not being as economically viable as the rest of the nation; but this is false. The majority of the nations agricultural production in which is actually viable for international profit is produced in the north and central parts of the nation. The nations massive sale of cassava to China and other Asian nations, a sale in which is rapidly growing with each passing year,  making the nation the # 1 distributor in the world of the highly demanded product---- is vastly majoritively produced in the North and Central parts of the nation.

Ground nuts, in which have for a long time been a major seller on the international market for Nigeria and with the rise of Chinese trade in the nation has become an even larger seller for the nation---- is almost solely produced in Northern and Central Nigeria. Wheat, Corn, Soybeans, and many more types of produce in which are now rapidly expanding in production within Nigeria for local and especially international sales is all majoritively produced in rich fertile grasslands of the North and Central part of the nation, and let us not forget the dominance in which the north and central parts of the nation hold on the livestock of the nation.

Then you have the electrification of the nation through clean, sufficient means. Most of the the nations dams are located in the North, this is because the northern river tributaries are most sufficient for dam building as is the northern lands in general. Building a bunch of dams in the south would be devastating the the particular type of ecosystem in which presides in the south. The aftereffects of the dams would literally drown and choke the vegetation life out of the South and the people along with it, in that the south is significantly more densely populated than the North is. It is much cheaper to build and maintain a dam than a gas electrical power plant, yet only the north has the means to support an efficient enough number of dams to sufficiently power a nation like Nigeria and the nations poorer needy neighboring nations.

While the government is spending big bucks on building more dams in the north for power and irrigation of the farming lands in that region they have also in an effort to balance out the share of power production in the nation allowed the Southern states to begin producing the less proficient in the long term, gas power plants, else the north will eventually dominate the power production industry in the nation by a massive scale, with their loads of current and developing dams--- in which the government is looking into increasing the proficiency of by channeling water from the more consistent flowing Congo River tributary of  Ubangi by way of Lake Chad.

Obasanjo and his men are geniuses, they are working hard to rapidly boost the god given means for industrial affluence and self sufficiency in the north via electrical and agricultural production, and in the South East via natural resource, Steel, steel products, production along with tourism, South-South with massive investment into the gas and oil industry and solid attempts at pushing the oil and gas operators to operate more securely and economically in the region via mandates to end flaring by 2014, and heavy fines for spills caused by the companies along with penalties for failure to clean them up, some of which some oil companies have taken the government to court over having been hit by one or more of theme very stiff penalties, but these asshole, freedom fighters, aka thug militants out for their own selfish means are screwing everything all up by blowing up crucial installations in which cause more pollution and death than the oil companies ever did.

The point that I'm getting at is that there is no real useless part of Nigeria. Every part has an element of strength in which if they all operated at an equivalent level would easily make Nigeria an super power of at the least Industrial and economic standings in the world. Even with all the oil and gas the south-south has-- if the North's and Central's means to produce agriculture and hydro electricity was sufficiently funded in the same way the South-South's oil and gas production is--- they (North and Central regions) would be 3 times as wealthy as the South-South would be--- even if they owned 100% of the royalties in which is earned off of the oil and gas taken from their land.

No part of the nation is really dispensable from getting Nigeria and Nigerians to where it should be in this world by this time or in the future. If funds are sufficiently distributed to the industries in which each region has the means to dominate in, then there would be no need to complain, hate your neighbor and or place blame beyond the leaders at the center for any faults in the nation, because all would be living the life of economic irreplacability to the greater nation, and all will see and FEEL the importance of each-other.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #43 on: January 15, 2007, 02:19 AM »

Then Y are we still listed among the worlds poorest nation  Undecided

Everybody knows there are huge potentials in Nigeria but if that potential doesn't ever get to see the light of the day then it is as good as no potentials. If breaking up will make each sector realize its potentials then so be it. From 1960 to 2007, Nigeria has always been on a declining curve. Nigeria has gone from good to bad to worse and still counting. No improvement in sight. To me the Nigerian concept is not working, lets try another concept

Disunited we might stand, however United we are definitely falling!!!!!
Hero (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #44 on: January 15, 2007, 02:50 AM »

Nigeria is still falling, ey?  Huh Undecided That's news to me. Since when, cause as far as I know, it 's been a quite steady rise in which is actually picking up more and more speed with each passing year. In just 7 years Nigeria went from being a nation with less telephone lines of communication than a puny nation like Uganda to having more lines than South Africa, thus becoming the African nation with the most active lines.

Within the next 5 years it's expected to more than double the number of active lines in which it has now, and thus end up having nearly tripled the number of lines in which South Africa has. Nigeria is the worlds like 2nd or 3rd fastest growing telecommunications market Shocked Nigeria, is expect to become the world largest natural gas distributor within the next 10 years or less, depicting on the rapid speed at which its industry is growing.  Shocked

Nigeria, is just on th crest of becoming the worlds largest producer, and is already the worlds largest international distributor of Cassava, and its export profits on the product is now growing rapidly do to heavily increased sales to China and other Asian nations, in which is rapidly driving the nations sales of the product into the Billion $ annually rang.  Shocked

The nation's sale of Soybeans, rice, wheat and other staple goods have also experienced a rapid increase in both international sales and production in the past several years. Overall the nations agricultural industrial is on a fast track to once again becoming the largest most viable on the African continent.  Shocked The government has already began doing major repairs on the nations current major seaports and is in the process of developing several more major ones in which will be to par with major ports as one would see in Europe and or the US and East Asia.

A massive increase in shipments into and out of the nations ports over the past 5 years or so has called for such massive development of the nations ports. Airports around the nation are receiving massive funds for redevelopment. Once notarized national ports are now being redeveloped into International ports to help the nation better hand the massively increased incoming flow of international flights in which have been flooding into the nation over the past several years.

I can go on with this, but I think you get the point. Yes, progress has been a bit slower than it could be, but it's in no way stagnant nor in decline. By the way Nigeria's HIV/AIDS rate has dropped within the pass 7 years.  Shocked 
Donzman (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #45 on: January 15, 2007, 04:09 AM »

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Many folks downplay the north and central part of the nation as not being as economically viable as the rest of the nation; but this is false. The majority of the nations agricultural production in which is actually viable for international profit is produced in the north and central parts of the nation. The nations massive sale of cassava to China and other Asian nations, a sale in which is rapidly growing with each passing year,  making the nation the # 1 distributor in the world of the highly demanded product---- is vastly majoritively produced in the North and Central parts of the nation.

Huh?. . .Cassava majorly grown in the North and central parts?.  , Huh, Huh Undecided

We're talking about the massive decrease in groundnut, soybean and etcetera production in the North and here you are talking like we're in the 60's-70's when they were churning out cash crops in the North. Get your info. updated before I get upset. Most of the crops you're listing is actually decreasing in production with the exception of cassava so i don't know what you're talking about. It was 30 years ago when 75% of agricultural exports came from Nigeria, that isn't true nowadays. Oil makes up 97% of our current export so I do not quite get your point.

If we produced so much rice, why are rice importers millionaires in this country? Undecided

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Within the next 5 years it's expected to more than double the number of active lines in which it has now, and thus end up having nearly tripled the number of lines in which South Africa has. Nigeria is the worlds like 2nd or 3rd fastest growing telecommunications market Shocked Nigeria, is expect to become the world largest natural gas distributor within the next 10 years or less, depicting on the rapid speed at which its industry is growing.  Shocked

Not playing Devil's advocate but we're 4 times as populous as South Africa so I don't know how much weight the line argument holds.

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A massive increase in shipments into and out of the nations ports over the past 5 years or so has called for such massive development of the nations ports. Airports around the nation are receiving massive funds for redevelopment. Once notarized national ports are now being redeveloped into International ports to help the nation better hand the massively increased incoming flow of international flights in which have been flooding into the nation over the past several years.

When last did you visit Nigeria?. . .Terribly misinformed, which airport redevelopment do you speak of?. . .The type going on in Port Harcourt?

There are lots of positives in Nigeria like cassava production, natural gas and etcetera but for the rest of your post, I think you're in the 1960s-1970s or something.
davidylan (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #46 on: January 15, 2007, 05:21 PM »

@ hero,

How has all your listed "Achievements" benefited the common man? It is also a fact that more than 50% of Nigerians are classified as illiterates and 70% live below the poverty line on less than N130 a day!

Shocked!
kaboninc
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #47 on: January 15, 2007, 05:34 PM »

Good day people, am just a new member here. But as is it my right, I want to express my views concerning this topic. These people I mean the islam brothers, they are not praticising wht religion is all about. Look at all the nations of the world. Its only the arab world that combines religion with government and they even do it by force. lets take for instance that the ruler in iraq is a christian. They would plot a coup and overthrow the government. because of their greed. But one thing is common. The more christians are killed, the more they multiply.
Hero (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #48 on: January 15, 2007, 11:00 PM »

Quote from: davidylan on January 15, 2007, 05:21 PM
@ hero,

How has all your listed "Achievements" benefited the common man? It is also a fact that more than 50% of Nigerians are classified as illiterates and 70% live below the poverty line on less than N130 a day!

Shocked!

No, I am not shocked at all about your numbers showing just how impoverished the average Nigerian is, yet I do beg to differ on your presumption of that the achievement in which I've mentioned have had no effect on those whom are suffering from such poverty. Who, do you think has been and will be hired to develop and operate all that I've mentioned? Will it be or is it--- the rich and well off of the nation or a picking of the mass of individuals whom make up the nations massive underclass? I think we all know the obvious answers to those questions.

Yes, Nigeria spent nearly 40 years destroying itself, what kind of fool,  or better yet, full blown Idiot--- would it take for one to believe that such massive levels of decay in which has spread through every single last niche of the fabric of the nation can be resolved in only 7-8 years, while at the same time well known powerful miscreants are nipping away at any progress in which may bear its head all in the name of protecting their status of power and influence in which was built upon the degradation of their nation and people?

Now I implore you and others to think about what you just mentioned with those stats and connect them to the nations population of between 140M-150M people, and then compare that to the developments in which I mentioned and the average number of people in which each will or has reasonably employed--- and I assured you that the image one will see is that of insufficiency in the science of supply and demand; so much so many uninformed individuals may be tempted to think "OBJ and his staff has done ((nothing)) sense they've been in office."

But no, they've done much, though in comparison to the massive level of poor, and rapidly growing population in which they met upon coming into office, they've haven't found the means to do enough fast enough to effectively make it seem as if they've actually done something since they've been in office, and the fact of the matter is that, without international investment and a massive increase in investment into the nation and it people by those NIGERIANS in diaspora whom have the financial and knowledgeable means to effectively do so,  the government will NEVER EVER be able to effectively invest enough into the nation to be able to allow the people to be able to see and feel their contribution to any real effective level.   
shango (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #49 on: January 16, 2007, 04:40 AM »

Hero, I think you still think it is 1970. There is a reason Nigerians are in Diaspora in larger and larger numbers. Its not like things are improving in Nigeria and people are moving back home from Diaspora. THere is no steady rise  in any facet of Nigeria except government looting and scams and exodus to other countries.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Northern Muslims Plan Attack On Christians.
« #50 on: January 17, 2007, 12:48 AM »

I have said before and I am going to say it again the only set of people that will say that all is well with Nigeria are those same set of people that have connived to put Nigeria in its present state.

I am sick and tired of people touting communucation lines as an acheivement. That was just an economic move ; a nation with over 150 million people will definitely be a good market source for any telecommunication company that dares the murky business terrain of Nigeria. MTN did that and they are reaping the gains. It is not as if the Govt is subsidizing telecommunication services (whatever happened to NITEL  Undecided). The citizens are paying through their noses for airtime so I don't understand how that will count as an absolute achievement. Undecided
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