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1,2
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #32 on: October 29, 2009, 08:22 PM »

Quote from: tosh_acer on October 29, 2009, 08:09 PM
iwonder why south africans are not arguing themselves to death saying this project is not necessary.


If we complain about this project, we will complain about a lots of projects. The government is only spending R25,7Billion, in dollar term is $3.43Billion. This project is just one of the many projects that are going on. The government wants to spend R500billion or $67Billion on infrastructure for the next 3 years. Infrastructure projects started 2/3 years ago. They have been building all over the place, Roads, Dams, Stadiums, Upgrading the current METRORAIL, Hospitals, etc. You can see that this project is a small projects compare to other projects. They are spending R38Billion on stadiums alone. R25Billion on Freeways upgrade.
tosh_acer
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #33 on: October 29, 2009, 09:05 PM »

I,2

You dont get me, I said that because in Nigeria, any project the government embarks upon is seen as not being necessary, they will argue themselves to death to prove that is is a waste of time and money.
naijaway (m)
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #34 on: October 29, 2009, 10:23 PM »

Na wa o. Very nice pictures and a very big kudos to SA. God dey.
  Sometimes, or most times it is very clear to see Nigeria at the back burner. When SA is done with this now, they would 've gained expertise to build for surrounding countries and anyplace in the continent. Nigeria is upgrading craps and yet it is the chinese that will do the work. They (chinese) will position their people in all management and technical levels and just keep ordering the nigerians left and right.
   Countries that are serious are building lasting projects with knowledge and maintenance in mind but Nigeria is building tents that look big and calling them infrastructure. Nothing is completed in nigeria either it has infrastructural problems or the satelite is missing or a whole cargo ship missing or the buildings are not painted or something like the new crappy airport in akwa ibom. Nigeria's mentality is atleast they tried to/and did something, but serious nations say do it and do it right and on time also don't forget to train extensively.  May God help us o.
   Thanks to south africa's govt for setting trends. Next time it might be ghana, angola,  kenya, and even gabon, all having levitation trains; the only time nigeria might blink but still not do much is when it would be sudan, congo, sierra leone, liberia, benin, and cameroun or chad.  We are on a long tin in nigeria; that's not the problem to me, my problem is the lack of steadfast and absolute seriousness. It is so sad to see my country down the valley when the other racers have already left the valley, sped 200miles to the airport, flew to the supposed destination, and have since began their other mission (green technology and other break throughs).
   I know we will get there but the simple truth is that it is taking too long even if u'r a no more racing and decided to cruise, is like trying to leave a car on drive while trying to go up a hill, you have to hit the accelerator and even twik the car to have after burners or something.  Men, this kyn tin sef.
leye1234 (m)
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #35 on: October 30, 2009, 12:39 AM »

@poster
Thanks to the WHITE MAN in South Africa.

If we get it in Nigeria, how do we maintain it?
A_K_O (m)
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #36 on: October 30, 2009, 07:25 AM »

Quote from: leye1234 on October 30, 2009, 12:39 AM
If we get it in Nigeria, how do we maintain it?

Exactly. That's why Nigerians will say that its not necessary.
naliakar
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #37 on: October 30, 2009, 02:13 PM »

Quote from: leye1234 on October 30, 2009, 12:39 AM
@poster
Thanks to the WHITE MAN in South Africa.

If we get it in Nigeria, how do we maintain it?

How have we maintained Murtala Mohamed Airport. Surely 9ja is not that low.
leye1234 (m)
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #38 on: October 30, 2009, 08:36 PM »

@naliakar
Please, don't get me wrong, I will love to have it in Nigeria. If we can't maintain the ANTIQUATED railway system we currently have, how do we maintain an upgraded one? Besides, you will need NEPA to run the system. That in itself is a failed prospect.
faakay (m)
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #39 on: October 31, 2009, 02:20 AM »

Quote from: leye1234 on October 30, 2009, 08:36 PM
@naliakar
Please, don't get me wrong, I will love to have it in Nigeria. If we can't maintain the ANTIQUATED railway system we currently have, how do we maintain an upgraded one? Besides, you will need NEPA to run the system. That in itself is a failed prospect.

GBAM!!

Lightup Naija!

1,2
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #40 on: November 01, 2009, 03:06 AM »

Quote from: naijaway on October 29, 2009, 10:23 PM
Na wa o. Very nice pictures and a very big kudos to SA. God dey.
 Sometimes, or most times it is very clear to see Nigeria at the back burner. When SA is done with this now, they would 've gained expertise to build for surrounding countries and anyplace in the continent. Nigeria is upgrading craps and yet it is the chinese that will do the work. They (chinese) will position their people in all management and technical levels and just keep ordering the nigerians left and right.   Countries that are serious are building lasting projects with knowledge and maintenance in mind but Nigeria is building tents that look big and calling them infrastructure. Nothing is completed in nigeria either it has infrastructural problems or the satelite is missing or a whole cargo ship missing or the buildings are not painted or something like the new crappy airport in akwa ibom. Nigeria's mentality is atleast they tried to/and did something, but serious nations say do it and do it right and on time also don't forget to train extensively. May God help us o.
 Thanks to south africa's govt for setting trends. Next time it might be ghana, angola, kenya, and even gabon, all having levitation trains; the only time nigeria might blink but still not do much is when it would be sudan, congo, sierra leone, liberia, benin, and cameroun or chad. We are on a long tin in nigeria; that's not the problem to me, my problem is the lack of steadfast and absolute seriousness. It is so sad to see my country down the valley when the other racers have already left the valley, sped 200miles to the airport, flew to the supposed destination, and have since began their other mission (green technology and other break throughs).
 I know we will get there but the simple truth is that it is taking too long even if u'r a no more racing and decided to cruise, is like trying to leave a car on drive while trying to go up a hill, you have to hit the accelerator and even twik the car to have after burners or something. Men, this kyn tin sef.

Naijaway, thanks for the compliment. The different here is that South Africa has its own construction companies that are world known. The SkyScrapers that you see in Dubai, most of them are being built by South African companies, Marrey and Roberts, Group 5, WHBO, Grinaicker LTD. This construction companies are international. Thats where South Africa has an advantage to the rest of the continent.

SA 2010 stadiums are being built by these construction companies with a little help from overseas. Chinese have never entered South Africa. They know that the competition is tight. Its difficult to win a tenders here. They are messing up in Angola with 2010 African Cup of nation stadiums. Those stadiums might not be ready by end of January, they are working day and night to try and complete the stadium. Hopefully stadiums wont collupse during the tornament.
faakay (m)
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #41 on: November 01, 2009, 03:12 AM »

Quote from: 1,2 on November 01, 2009, 03:06 AM
Naijaway, thanks for the compliment. The different here is that South Africa has its own construction companies that are world known. The SkyScrapers that you see in Dubai, most of them are being built by South African companies, Marrey and Roberts, Group 5, WHBO, Grinaicker LTD. This construction companies are international. Thats where South Africa has an advantage to the rest of the continent.

SA 2010 stadiums are being built by these construction companies with a little help from overseas. Chinese have never entered South Africa. They know that the competition is tight. Its difficult to win a tenders here. They are messing up in Angola with 2010 African Cup of nation stadiums. Those stadiums might not be ready by end of January, they are working day and night to try and complete the stadium. Hopefully stadiums wont collupse during the tornament.

looooool  Grin Chinese with rush hour, thou they are still trying::
tosh_acer
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #42 on: November 01, 2009, 11:58 AM »

@1,2

Be truthful.

Are you saying the Bombella consortium building the rail system, a group consisting of Bombadier Transportation, Bouygues, Murray and Roberts, Strategic Partners Group, Regis and the rest, most of which are known French Compnies - are you saying they are South African?
1,2
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #43 on: November 01, 2009, 11:02 PM »

Quote from: tosh_acer on November 01, 2009, 11:58 AM
@1,2

Be truthful.

Are you saying the Bombella consortium building the rail system, a group consisting of Bombadier Transportation, Bouygues, Murray and Roberts, Strategic Partners Group, Regis and the rest, most of which are known French Compnies - are you saying they are South African?

Which French companies are you talking about? There is only 2 French companies out of 5. South African companies own 50% of the whole project. You must get your facts together. Read below



The project consists of financing, design-build, and operations and maintenance of the Gautrain Rapid Rail Link. The Bombela consortium consists of the following members: Bombardier; French civil contractor Bouygues Travaux Publics; RATP Développement, a major French rail and bus operating company; South African civil contractor Murray & Roberts; and Loliwe Rail Contractors and Loliwe Rail Express the consortium's black economic empowerment component, which are partnerships of South African companies who own 50 percent of Bombela.

The civil works of the 80km route linking Johannesburg, Tshwane (Pretoria) and the Johannesburg International Airport, will be undertaken by Bouygues Construction, Murray & Roberts and Loliwe Rail Contractors. Bombardier, the lead member of the consortium, will be responsible for the core electrical and mechanical systems, including a fleet of Bombardier Electrostar vehicles. The opening of the rail link system, which includes 10 stations ( three of which are underground), 20km of tunnel section, 9km of viaducts and bridges and a bus feeder system, is planned to coincide with the 2010 Soccer World Cup. Negotiation of the concession contract commenced in July 2005, with financial close expected in 2006.

The project is expected to stimulate Gauteng's economy, provide 148 000 jobs; promote the use of public transport; alleviate the congested highway between Johannesburg and Tshwane which at present is carrying 300 000 vehicles each week day between the country's commercial heart and its administrative capital.

Construction will begin in early 2006 and will be completed in time for the Soccer World Cup in 2010. Operation and maintenance of the system will be carried out for 15 years by RATP Développement in association with its South African partners, through a local operating company. Thereafter the contract will be transferred to the Gauteng government.
viaro
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #44 on: November 01, 2009, 11:50 PM »

Progress of this sort come at a price - and comes slowly in most places.
I think it's awesome to note that there are a few things to appreciate in Nigeria presently; but it would be great to see this kind established there as well. Would the diversity in her people and political divides dash such a hope? Undecided
yoruba
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #45 on: November 04, 2009, 07:41 AM »

I watched the news last night and I saw it was tested and it worked well. Apparently the construction is running so early that they might use it for 2010. This was a major breakthrough for Africa as it shows whatever the 'west' can do Africa can also do it better. Well done SA. Hope Nigeria, Egypt and the rest of Africa could come up with an engineering marvel so that the 'west' could drool upon and stop with there negative propaganda against Africa.
tosh_acer
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #46 on: November 04, 2009, 09:47 AM »

@Yoruba

Go and ask the white South Africans and they will tell you there is a difference between south africa and Africa as a whole - do not be deceived.
yoruba
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #47 on: November 04, 2009, 09:56 AM »

Quote from: tosh_acer on November 04, 2009, 09:47 AM
@Yoruba

Go and ask the white South Africans and they will tell you there is a difference between south africa and Africa as a whole - do not be deceived.
Its fair to say its true what you saying. White South Africans prefer to group themselves with Australians and New Zealanders, Indian SAns with Indians, but whatever SA is as African as the rest of Africa full stop.
RSA (m)
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #48 on: November 04, 2009, 11:53 AM »

Quote from: tosh_acer on November 04, 2009, 09:47 AM
@Yoruba

Go and ask the white South Africans and they will tell you there is a difference between south africa and Africa as a whole - do not be deceived.

If you ask the Brits,they will tell you there's a difference between them and the rest of Europe,it's not only white South Africans who sees that difference,blacks South Africans do as well.We all know that most African states are backward,barbaric,corrupt,undemocratic,undeveloped and plain uselss.South Africa and other countries on the other hand quite the opposite.
Yes SA was developed by whites and yes they own the economy,so what?They're paying tax that; is educating our youth,that is also building our infrustructure,that is creating jobs and  maintaining our hospitals.Thats all you need from your country,the rest you'll do it yourself.
morpheus24
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #49 on: November 04, 2009, 04:28 PM »

Quote from: RSA on November 04, 2009, 11:53 AM
If you ask the Brits,they will tell you there's a difference between them and the rest of Europe,it's not only white South Africans who sees that difference,blacks South Africans do as well.We all know that most African states are backward,barbaric,corrupt,undemocratic,undeveloped and plain uselss.South Africa and other countries on the other hand quite the opposite.
Yes SA was developed by whites and yes they own the economy,so what?They're paying tax that; is educating our youth,that is also building our infrustructure,that is creating jobs and maintaining our hospitals.Thats all you need from your country,the rest you'll do it yourself.

Bro, I won't even respond to that. I will leave that to one of your brother's whom I have met before and clearly explains your dilemma, 

Have you ever wondered why most Africans regardless of nationality identify themselves as "Africans" much more than other people from other continents

Hmmmmm?Huh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Tbr63NQxo
tpia.
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #50 on: November 04, 2009, 05:36 PM »

quite obviously, both the northern and southern tips of Africa are for "oyibo Africans" while everything in between except to some extent, Kenya (eastern coast), is for black Africans.

generalization, I know.
citizenY (m)
Re: Africa's First Underground Bullet Train - Gautrain
« #51 on: November 04, 2009, 06:35 PM »

speechless. want to gather myself in one whole and ruminate. Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided Undecided

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