What Are Your Views On Homosexuality?

Homosexuality is a mental imbalance, period.

aye. they're deluded. i quite agree

Someone once made an argument for homosexuality using the following premises -

Quote from: SEFAGO on September 24, 2009, 02:10 PM

I rebutted that argument with the following, which i repeat here:

Premise 1 - Humans are Animals.

Although this premise is only partially correct, and may be said to be an over-statement or a limitation of definition regarding the nature of humanity, i will not dwell on it because humans undisputably are given of some of the same physical instincts as animals are. I will therefore give this premise a pass mark. Let's proceed.

Premise 2 - Animals engage in Homo Sexuality.

Now this premise is fraught with severe problems. Some of these problems are:

    1. It is a mis-characterization of an exception as a rule:

Let me elucidate:If one were to state: "Human beings eat food" - the direct inference would be that eating food is a normal and standard practice for human beings. That would be a correct inference as the statement has been set out in broad, generalistic terms. 

Let's take another statement: "Human beings are cannibals." This is another broad generalistic statement that could lead to a wrong inference: namely, that it is in the nature of human beings to be cannibals, and thus a normal and standard human practice. The correct way to phrase this statement would be - "Some human beings are cannibals." In this way it becomes clear that it is not necessarily within the nature of human beings to be cannibals, but that some human beings do practice such.

This is why i said that the second premise is a mis-characterization of an exception as a rule. It should properly have read: "Some animals engage in homosexuality" - thus making it clear that homosexuality is not necessarily the norm within the animal sub-set.

If it is not the norm within the animan sub-set, we can hardly use this premise to reach a conclusion that it is anything but an exception for human beings (who, by the way, have a higher ethical reasoning capacity). That would be a fundamental contradiction in terms.

Even if the foregoing reasoning is wrong (i doubt that it is), there is a second and even more fundamental problem with the premise. This problem concerns the nature of animal homosexuality in the first place. To wit -

2. Animals are not homosexual in the proper definition of the word. Let's watch the cases of so-called animal homosexuality. Do such cases have any co-relation with human homosexuality? I contend that they are entirely dissimilar. This is the reason:

Animals do not make a distinction regarding the object of their sexual attention with reference to instinctive physical motions. For example when my dog is on heat, he will attempt to mount anything at all: including humans. He will push himself against a pole, against me, and against other dogs (male or female) in excercising the instinctive sexual motion. He does not see and develop a desire for a fellow male, he only makes instinctive sexual motions directed at anything. This is significantly different from humans who will see and have specific desires for persons of the same sex. No animal will engage in homosexual conduct if there is an available female on hand, against which it may throw its instinctive physical motions, but human homosexuality will actively disdain the female and specifically desire the male.

If you appreciate the foregoing, you will understand that animals are not in fact homosexual at all - in the proper sense of the word. Do they have a homosexual desire? Can you show me even one single animal that only sexually targets the same sex? You cannot, because animals are not homosexual in the definition of the word, and their so-called acts of homosexuality, comparatively speaking, are really just mindless acts of masturbation on any available entity.

Therefore, on either or both planks - the point must emphatically be made that animal acts of homosexuality can never be a premise for human homosexuality because as i have shown above -

    i. Animals are not homosexual within the context of homosexual desire and

   ii. Even if they are, it is the case that some animals are, and not all. It is the exception, rather than the rule, and as such this could not possibly make a case for human homo-sexuality being anything but the same: the exception and not the rule.

Given that the premise fails, the conclusion also naturally fails.

However, the Conclusion, if i might add, suffers independent problems of its own.

The conclusion states: "Therefore in the natural order of things homosexuality is not a deviance from expected biological behavior."

Can we define the word "deviation".

Without bothering to consult a dictionary, i suppose that we can all agree that a deviation is a departure from a norm, a variation or a digression.

"Expected biological behaviour", must clearly refer to the in-built sexual orientation geared towards biological goals. That's the only apt use of the word "biological" within that phrase. It is patently clear, from both the structure of reproductive organs, and the biological result of copulation (reproduction) that the sexual behaviour expected by nature should be heterosexual in nature. In addittion to the fact that homosexuality is not the norm in any human society, it could thus be said to be both un-natural and anti-social. At the very minimum, it definitely represents a deviation, however that may be defined.

With a heavy heart, although i do appreciate SEFAGO's good efforts and good reasoning, i am constrained on the basis of the deductions set forth above, to conclude that both his premises and his conclusion are deficient and significantly flawed even in terms of logic alone, but also in terms of sociological and biological considerations.

However: addressing the topic of this thread, i must state without much ado that although i previously had a murderous attitude to the very idea that any person could be gay, i concede that it is patently obvious, and also empirically verified, that some persons have abnormal hormonal imbalances which affect their sexual orientation. Some men have degrees of female hormones that render them effeminate, and some women (beard and all) have degrees of male hormones that render them mannish, and thus inclined to become lesbians. This is a scientific fact, and no person can contest this.

But in summary - it's ceratinly abnormal and unnatural and perhaps scientific solutions (such as hormonal re-balancing) should be sought.

Did u know that heterosexuals have more anal sex than gays??
Look up the statistics on that u ignorant son of B

It is part of the perversion that comes from being in contact with the western culture . . . as the Yorubas say A dog that moves around with a pig would ultimately eat feaces i.e. s.h.i.t

The truth is that pornography is part of the things that is causing us Africans to gradually lose our sense of right and wrong . . . normal and abnormal.

And i am sure the statisticians have video cameras in all bedrooms of the world to observe the amount of heterosexuals that have anal sex as opposed to the amount of homosexuals that do so? ? ?

Besides should the analysis not be according to ratio and percentage? Of course pretty much all homos have anal sex, so that should be like almost 100%? ? ? What per centage of heteros have anal sex? Can you guess? Can it be any where near the per centage of homos that do so? ? ?

Abeg think twice before you post.

remeber this next time you ask your gf for a blowjob dumb ass

I thought u said the only ones having Anal sex are gays huh. u've probably tried it out with your girl. wont be suprised.
 I guess u do have a camera to watch gays having sex. FYI: not all gays are having anal sex. And how does what 2 consenting adults are doing in the privacy of their home bother ya? Geez,

@agathamari

How come your imagination is so filthy?

Homosexuality is a choice rather than a natural order*some think it's a disorder * It apparently is gaining ground as a result of the failings of heterosexual relationships. A woman understands her fellow woman better than she would a man*at least that's what we hear*, so too a man with does his bud. The thing is like all things of life it has its shortcomings. One of the prevalent being the inability to produce offspring(s) from such offshoot. This brings me to the question, why do homosexual want kid(s)? - An aparent result only possible from heterosexual consumation. This is the crux of the matter. You want to be gay, be gay by all means, but why desire a child? Sounds rather contradictory, 

This is really a futile argument, those against can never agree with those for the motion. likewise, if you are not gay, you would never understand how it works. homosexuality usually goes beyond or even beneath anal sex, belive it or not, a high percentage of homos have never had anal sex, and some never actually intend to. it has a lot to do with the emotional side, you are just attracted to same sex, and nothing can stop it, no matter how you try. you can just seem to ignore it, or do what you dont actually find pleasing, but nothing would ever change your feelings for the same sex. maybe it is a freak of nature, mind you for those that talk without research, a high percentage of animals, some not even mammals have very high homosexual tendencies, from butterflies, to dolphins to regular apes like us. on the argument of the anus being a sex organ, neither is the mouth, nor the hand, nor the thighs sometimes which usually come in very handy and most often while having sex. some will be quick to castigate and judge homos as being sinful, or the devil themselves but i'd rather say they should count themselves rather lucky, cos belive me, you dont know what it feels like to be classified as that just because of your preference, not as if you chose it, that was how it came with the packaging. it's like being ridiculed in the past for being a black man, am telling you, that's the truth. some may argue that if homo is ok, then why nt paedophilia? come on guys, paedophilia is with an unconsenting young person, sex with same sex of an unconsenting person is equally very wrong. nowadays i get very tired about arguing gay issues cos it really never leads no where. some are quick to say homsexuality comes from being molested as a kid, that is equally wrong, some people have been staright there whole life, or so it seems, never got molested, but later in life found out that really, this is not what they enjoy doing, trust me when i tell you that. by and large, nothing anybody can say would possibly stop the double edged opinion of people, homophobes will always hate homos, and homos will always exist and do their own thing.

let me attack this piece by piece.

homosexuals in pre-colonial africa didn't have access to pro-"faggot" media.   

2.  What's an abominable act?  who gets to determine what's abominable or not abominable?  is pre-marital sex frequently practiced by gay bashers abominable?   What about anal or oral sex?

How do you know God is the creator of humans and which God are you talking about.  Sango, ifa?




yup the dan daudu in Northern Nigeria exists till this day.

we know. it's in his holy book written for us all. pls find the time to read it.

By not being homosexuals otherwise their would have been no childbirth . . . duuh

@bawolomo,agathamari,johnkent


How do homos and lesbians have sex if most homos never had anal sex


I want the full details so you won't have to cook up Obvious lies after your post have been flawed