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No2Atheism (m)
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Below is the progressive pictorial evidence showing what i believe is the gradual whitewash of the great military man known as Hannibal.
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No2Atheism (m)
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The first picture clearly shows someone with african features . . . yet . . .  as usual the white is made completely in the historical revisioning the Europeans. Guess who else was whitewashed . . . . THE MESSIAH . . . hence you have the so called "White Jesus" (whom some Atheists and Catholics in nairaland are doing their best to support and protect His so called "Whiteness"). Am telling you the whites have succeeded in brainwashing africans . . . so much so that the so called Atheists in nairaland do not understand that the whole idea of Evolution and Atheism has deep roots in racism . . . and so called white supremacy. |
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Gamine (f)
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Why should we believe that the first coin depicts Hannibal??
You just post something here, no backing
What gives?
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morpheus24
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@NO2Atheism
hannibal was most likely some one mixed ancestry with berber, mediterenean and Sub saharan features as it was commont with many AfroAsiatic peoples of that time.
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No2Atheism (m)
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@NO2Atheism
hannibal was most likely some one mixed ancestry with berber, mediterenean and Sub saharan features as it was commont with many AfroAsiatic peoples of that time.
I partly agree cus i know that Berbers today are a mixture of Europeans, Arabs and Real Black African Berbers . . . but the original hannibal coin does not show someone who is mixed instead it shows someone who looks more African than Barack Obama . . . The term Afro-Asiatic is a modern construct. . . Ham -> Canaan -> Phoenician -> Cathagians -> Hannibal. Hence as far as i am concerned He is basically an African being whitewashed by Europeans . . . one thing i have learnt that helps to cut through the bullshit of racism and european whitewash is to try and trace the lineage of the person in question instead of using a general dogma. . . Tracing the lineage of Egyptiains making it easy to know that they are black. Tracing the lineage of Nubians make it easy to know that they are black. Tracing the lineage of Ethiopians makes it easy to to know that they are black. Hence tracing the lineage of Hannibal ultimately makes it easy to know that he is black . . . So do you see that its only eurocentrism that makes it so much so that he is being whitewashed . . . Let me give you a recent example of active whitewash . . . Edit: Philip Emeagwali did something . . . that was published, but instead of using a cartoon image of a black man to report it . . . a cartoon image of a white man was used. Hence, it means that if they only use Emeagwali's first name (i.e. Philip) most people would not even know that he is not a white person. That my friend is how Europeans and Arabs are actively trying to write themselves into African History. . . hence i am not suprised that it did not take long for them to whitewash Hannibal. |
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morpheus24
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I partly agree cus i know that Berbers today are a mixture of Europeans, Arabs and Real Black African Berbers . . . but the original hannibal coin does not show someone who is mixed instead it shows someone who looks more African than Barack Obama . . .
The term Afro-Asiatic is a modern construct. . .
Ham -> Canaan -> Phoenician -> Cathagians -> Hannibal.
Hence as far as i am concerned He is basically an African being whitewashed by Europeans . . . one thing i have learnt that helps to cut through the bullshit of racism and european whitewash is to try and trace the lineage of the person in question instead of using a general dogma. . .
Tracing the lineage of Egyptiains making it easy to know that they are black.
Tracing the lineage of Nubians make it easy to know that they are black.
Tracing the lineage of Ethiopians makes it easy to to know that they are black.
Hence tracing the lineage of Hannibal ultimately makes it easy to know that they are black . . .
So do you see that its only eurocentrism that makes it so much so that he is being whitewashed . . .
Let me give you a recent example of active whitewash . . .
Philip Emeagwali did something . . . that was published, but instead of using a picture of a black man to report it . . . a picture of a white man was used. Hence, it means that if they used Emeagwali's first name i.e. Philip people would erroneously think he was white.
That my friend is how Europeans and Arabs are actively trying to write themselves into African History. . . hence i am not suprised that it did not take long for them to whitewash Hannibal.
Be careful not to get into the mind set of eurocentric people and read too much into their bias, thereby becoming Afrocentrist as well. It clouds judgment and objectivity. Bebers actually do not have a high percentage of Arab blood in them. They are Arabized culturally but genetically are quite distinct from Arabians. There was a back flow from the levant(modern day Israel and lebanon) back into Africa a very very long time ago.(neolithic times) These people were culturally nomadic and pastoral and established in this region along with the saharan Africans of that time. They were met by a few groups coming into Northern Africa including the phonecians who established Carthage, Romans and Vandals. The berbers have been in Africa long enough to be considered indigenous Africans. HANNIBAL could be termed an Afro Asiatic person because it describes people who may have had saharan African and west Asian Ancestry in them. These groupings include many lower Egyptian kingdom people, Carthaginians,Morrocans and Tunisians in general as well. The dilemma is in the two sided nature of Eurocentric people who on the one hand would not accept the termining of a carthaginian of this type as being Black but on the other other hand would accept the terminology for anyone with a stint of African DNA somewhere else on the planet aka The halle berry's, Shade Adu's and all other mixed ancestral peoples in America and Europe as black. Why not call them dark skinned Europeans!!! You get it now. |
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russellino
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Very interesting. Such whitewashing is more common than many of us dare imagine. I heard that alexander the great had his men hack the nose of the sphinx of egypt because the noses showed very strong african features.
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morpheus24
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Very interesting. Such whitewashing is more common than many of us dare imagine. I heard that alexander the great had his men hack the nose of the sphinx of egypt because the noses showed very strong african features.
Speculation!!,not fact. Alexander did not care much about racial identities as he was ready for he and his men to breed with who ever he conqured. |
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Beaf
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There's similar talk about Fibonacci, and I'm not sure between Handel and Mozzart.
@Negro
What is the source of that picture?
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morpheus24
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I've stoopped visiting that site. It is really full of a bunch of really hateful people who are bent on making themselves the only relevant population in this world rather than acutal europeans who are proud of their history which is actually full of barbarism and all sorts of monstrouscities. They will not tell you that though!! |
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MandingoII (m)
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europeans who are proud of their history which is actually full of barbarism and all sorts of monstrouscities.
They will not tell you that though!! This is the great cover-up. |
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tom28 (m)
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Well am not surprised about the whitewash becoz afterall white ppl would have us believe tht Jesus Christ is a blond haired man with green eyes.
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Be careful not to get into the mind set of eurocentric people and read too much into their bias, thereby becoming Afrocentrist as well. It clouds judgment and objectivity. Dear Brother Morpheus, It is very kind of you to display such a passion for the brotherhood of mankind. In this show of generosity it is indisputable to notice that you hold regard for a higher authority, that spirit which reside commonly in the souls of honorable men obligating in them a call to duty. . . for justice, for fairness. . . to do good by all and to all, regardless of background and creed. You are indeed a gentleman! The same spirit is awakened in men who in a blinding passion to defend the motherland ring out the bell tolls and rally the crowd to the town sqaure to broadcast and remind them of their civic duty to patriotism. What is patriotism? Is is the duty to bear arms against any threat to disposess or dishonor one's valuables, customs, traditions, rituals and so on. . .as to make them considerably insignificant to one's cultural heritage and philosophical beliefs. Afrocentrism is a noble cause if it rallies our feet to come together in defense of what is culturally significant to us. From your Brother in thoughts, Negro_Nations. |
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morpheus24
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Dear Brother Morpheus,
It is very kind of you to display such a passion for the brotherhood of mankind. In this show of generosity it is indisputable to notice that you hold regard for a higher authority, that spirit which reside commonly in the souls of honorable men obligating in them a call to duty. . . for justice, for fairness. . . to do good by all and to all, regardless of background and creed. You are indeed a gentleman!
The same spirit is awakened in men who in a blinding passion to defend the motherland ring out the bell tolls and rally the crowd to the town sqaure to broadcast and remind them of their civic duty to patriotism. What is patriotism? Is is the duty to bear arms against any threat to disposess or dishonor one's valuables, customs, traditions, rituals and so on. . .as to make them considerably insignificant to one's cultural heritage and philosophical beliefs.
Afrocentrism is a noble cause if it rallies our feet to come together in defense of what is culturally significant to us. From your Brother in thoughts,
Negro_Nations.
I appreciate your gesture and vote of confidence. However I am neither a supporter of the extremities of Afrocentrism nor Eurocentrism or any ism for that matter. The truth should be the truth regardless of what it says. What you may define as Afrocentrism is merely a cultural awareness of ones heritage and the safe guard of its truths. if that line is crossed and it is used to supersede another culture by deceptivness and made up truths with bias. it becomes an ism. Ergo it becomes dangerous in the minds of those who do not fully comprehend. CHEERS!!! |
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beneli (m)
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The truth should be the truth regardless of what it says. Excuse my barging in on your very interesting discourse but i just wanted to add a perspective. 'Truth', whatever that is, is always dangerous in 'the minds of those who do not fully comprehend'. Whether it be for the sake of the 'salvation' of the soul or the subjugation of the body, the 'truth' we come to believe in will always serve a function. That is why 'truth' is so dynamic. It changes with the need for other functions to be served, when the older ones have become obsolete. Or perhaps when the beholders of the 'truth' or their victims become more or less enlightened. I don't think we can afford to become complacent at this point in our development as a people, by buying into the 'universal' truth thing. It will not serve the function we need at this point in our history, which is to be able to completely break free from the mental slavery that has been used to subjugate our bodies and to limit our souls in the last few centuries. We need to manage the 'truth' that we have available to us, in order for it to serve the function we need. Other nations understand the need for this and continue to do this, albeit subtley, even until today. Besides one wonders whether there is really anything like 'universal truth', what with the whole issues of multiple realities etc that quantum physicists are bringing into the picture! The point i am making is that it's okay to be revisionist, even afrocentric, in our views concerning world history and the role of the African in it. It can't do any more harm than has already been done to us already by most of the 'truths' of the last few centuries! |
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morpheus24
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Excuse my barging in on your very interesting discourse but i just wanted to add a perspective. 'Truth', whatever that is, is always dangerous in 'the minds of those who do not fully comprehend'.
Whether it be for the sake of the 'salvation' of the soul or the subjugation of the body, the 'truth' we come to believe in will always serve a function. That is why 'truth' is so dynamic. It changes with the need for other functions to be served, when the older ones have become obsolete. Or perhaps when the beholders of the 'truth' or their victims become more or less enlightened.
I don't think we can afford to become complacent at this point in our development as a people, by buying into the 'universal' truth thing. It will not serve the function we need at this point in our history, which is to be able to completely break free from the mental slavery that has been used to subjugate our bodies and to limit our souls in the last few centuries. We need to manage the 'truth' that we have available to us, in order for it to serve the function we need. Other nations understand the need for this and continue to do this, albeit subtley, even until today. Besides one wonders whether there is really anything like 'universal truth', what with the whole issues of multiple realities etc that quantum physicists are bringing into the picture!
The point i am making is that it's okay to be revisionist, even afrocentric, in our views concerning world history and the role of the African in it. It can't do any more harm than has already been done to us already by most of the 'truths' of the last few centuries!
I focus on facts withouth prejudiced inferences. Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every object in this universe attracts every other object with a force which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of distance between their centres. In other words WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN. This is fact. This is truth. Anything infered on manipulated in this information is an illusion. Afrocentrism is much a manipulation on truth as Eurocentrism. I won't stand for that. |
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beneli (m)
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I focus on facts withouth prejudiced inferences.
Newton's law of universal gravitation states that every object in this universe attracts every other object with a force which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of distance between their centres.
In other words WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN. This is fact. This is truth. Anything infered on manipulated in this information is an illusion.
Afrocentrism is much a manipulation on truth as Eurocentrism. I won't stand for that.
The bolded part is relative though, isn't it. I mean, it only applies to systems that obey the laws of physics as we know them, wouldn't you agree? So something that goes up on the moon, may not necessarily come down would it.Or even here on earth at the level of quantum mechanics, these laws certainly no longer hold 'true', do they? These days the 'truth' about gravity is even being gradually revised. There's talk of 'gravitons' and other such weird concepts, the elaboration of which will throw newtononian physics and other such previously accepted 'facts' of sciences into the dustbins of have-been sciences. I am just trying to say that the whole issue of 'fact' and 'truth' is not set in stone. What's most important is actually the inferences we make from the 'facts' that have been made available to us. I agree with you that Afrocentrism and Eurocentrism are both manipulations of 'truth', but i think that what is most significance, at least for me, would be 'how do these maipulated truths affect us?' and what the motives of these manipulations 'truly' are? |
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morpheus24
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The bolded part is relative though, isn't it. I mean, it only applies to systems that obey the laws of physics as we know them, wouldn't you agree? So something that goes up on the moon, may not necessarily come down would it.Or even here on earth at the level of quantum mechanics, these laws certainly no longer hold 'true', do they? These days the 'truth' about gravity is even being gradually revised. There's talk of 'gravitons' and other such weird concepts, the elaboration of which will throw newtononian physics and other such previously accepted 'facts' of sciences into the dustbins of have-been sciences.
I am just trying to say that the whole issue of 'fact' and 'truth' is not set in stone. What's most important is actually the inferences we make from the 'facts' that have been made available to us. I agree with you that Afrocentrism and Eurocentrism are both manipulations of 'truth', but i think that what is most significance, at least for me, would be 'how do these maipulated truths affect us?' and what the motives of these manipulations 'truly' are?
Thats a different subject on its own. As for relativity. Thats fact in itself and a truth of its own. What you are concentrating on are outcomes of manipulative inferences. I do not deal with those subject matters. As they are subjective in reason and not "objective" |
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beneli (m)
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Thats a different subject on its own.
As for relativity. Thats fact in itself and a truth of its own. What you are concentrating on are outcomes of manipulative inferences.
I do not deal with those subject matters. As they are subjective in reason and not "objective"
It's interesting that you use the bolded words. In the field i work in, when we say 'objective', we usually mean as is witnessed by me. While 'subjective' is what is experienced by you! So what is 'objective' for you is 'subjective' to me and vice versa. But that's just me playing with words and concepts at the end of a very tiring day! I am off. Have a very nice evening/day. |
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tpia.
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like morpheus is objective?  must be sarcasm. |
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morpheus24
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like morpheus is objective? must be sarcasm. E bel like say somebody vex you this morning Go find who you go harass today I no get time. |
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Negro_Ntns (m)
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Morpheus, My input is talking about "WE". . .not "I" OR "ME". Cultural heritage in the sense Im talking is not negotiable. . .you will fall in line or you will get out of the way. It is bigger than you and I. It is a WE thang! You dig?  |
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morpheus24
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Morpheus, My input is talking about "WE". . .not "I" OR "ME". Cultural heritage in the sense Im talking is not negotiable. . .you will fall in line or you will get out of the way. It is bigger than you and I. It is a WE thang! You dig? I don't DIG! |
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