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SEFAGO (m)
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viva la revolution africa. Viva la afrique noir
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Kobojunkie
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Now, how does that save us from the filth as everyone seem to have been doing what his uncle just did?
Exactly!!
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macfarland
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@POSTER
I am not suprised with the way you sound here. I have met many of your type. Check it well, this Yara Adua administration somehow somewhere must have been benefitting you and your family. Any day I can get same opportunity to corner and find myself in the favour of any Government at all, be it militaty self, I go dey shout on top of my voice pass you. Leave this story u tryna weep up here. A bad government that cant create enabling atmosphere for wealth and are not interested in the well being of its citizenry cannot be supported. A government that can help raise you $100 not to talk of $2000 you are talking about will in no way be supported. A government or nation that aid corruption, godfatherism and all sorts of neglect and unequal opportunity for its citizenry should get lost and you a fucking bomb-ass-female orifice enjoying from the crumbles of such ill-fated government should get a life. Hisssssssssssssssssssss!
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Chrisbenogor (m)
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I think I agree with the sentiment of the poster, if we put in just half the dedication it takes to be patriotic then we would be heading somewhere, it is not to say the government is good, if at all there is no amount of whining that will change it. They are already stealing money we know it, but how do we change things even if minutely? We see people who never visited a polling station to cast votes complain about Government this and Government that, how do you tell someone who was selected into a position of power to behave like he was elected? I mean if we are not satisfied with this Government, what have you done today to make sure they do not come back in 2011, in your own little way how have you helped Nigeria? I remember a thread here about a year ago about a man denouncing his Nigerian citizenship, you notice that the poor man flipped when he realized the most difficult thing to do is to rouse Nigerians to rise to the occasion. I am afraid that just as our parents have sacrificed us on the altar of cowardice, we might sacrifice our own children on the altar of lip service and constant analysis without any action whatsoever. We can open open one million threads and complain till death do us part about epileptic power supply and so on, but that will not change anything so why do we not adopt a positive approach, albeit a mass movement to unseat this president and take a mini poll here on Nairaland and see just how deep this country's problems are. IMO whining does not cut it, its the reason I rarely ever post on the politics section all whining and no action.
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tosh_acer
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@POSTER
I am not suprised with the way you sound here. I have met many of your type. Check it well, this Yara Adua administration somehow somewhere must have been benefitting you and your family. Any day I can get same opportunity to corner and find myself in the favour of any Government at all, be it militaty self, I go dey shout on top of my voice pass you. Leave this story u tryna weep up here. A bad government that cant create enabling atmosphere for wealth and are not interested in the well being of its citizenry cannot be supported. A government that can help raise you $100 not to talk of $2000 you are talking about will in no way be supported. A government or nation that aid corruption, godfatherism and all sorts of neglect and unequal opportunity for its citizenry should get lost and you a fucking bomb-ass-female orifice enjoying from the crumbles of such ill-fated government should get a life. Hisssssssssssssssssssss!
STUPID RANTING. THE POSTER IS TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTRY NIGERIA AND NOT ABOUT YOU SUPPORTING THE GOVERNMENT.
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Chrisbenogor (m)
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STUPID RANTING. THE POSTER IS TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTRY NIGERIA AND NOT ABOUT YOU SUPPORTING THE GOVERNMENT. Some people just don't read.
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rusky (m)
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my people,
I am very happy with ROSSIKE's posting. I completely agree with him that we should stop moaning and find a way to make our country better by ourselves. however i wish to also point out that it is very difficult to make changes if the people whom you are supposed to look up to and make these changes are doing the opposite.
I remember that in my previous workplace, we operated like a family and behaved based on the attitude and character and personality of our manager who was a very wonderful person. however in my current workplace the opposite is the case because the manager is arrogant, vengeful, untrustworthy and petty and this has rubbed off on a lot of staff who now behave like him.
My point is that our leaders need to give us hope and make us believe that they really want change for the better but that feeling is just not coming through, except maybe here in lagos where i strongly have faith in GOV. FASOLA. God bless him.
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nuzo (m)
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Wait a munite! Seems we are all misunderstood the poster or is the poster just as confused and deluded as all who supported him without understanding who or what he was whining about? First, I think we need to understand where the poster is coming from before we get to the 10th page only to find out that we've been answering the wrong question for a while.
1. Is the poster angry with those who have lost huge amount of money in their Nigerian investment due to unstable environment, and decided to use their last savings to travel abroad for a taxi driver's job even when Akala has provided an exact opportunity for a few graduates in nigeria?
2. Is the poster angry that some people have the courage to speak out on the ills of our society, and in so doing, will be heard by the appropriate authorities and action taken?
3. Is the poster mad that over 70% of Nigerian youths cannot afford to feed from their own pocket not to talk of investing about $2k (N300,000) in "solar panel factory"?
4. Or, is he just mad that people constantly criticize those who hold his daily meal ticket?
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nuzo (m)
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^^^^^
RUBBISH.
Of course, it will mean rubbish to me too if I were a block head like you.
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posakosa (m)
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I AGREE WITH NUZO.
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posakosa (m)
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@ Rossike: it became much easier for the chinese to open businesses in Nigeria because they have enormous access to capital for business development.
Only the RICH in Nigeria have such access to such capital <which they often squander>and NOT the average Nigerian who may have a very wise and intelligent business idea that can help move Nigeria forward.
Nothing exists in vacuum.
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SapeleGuy
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Rossike has a point. The grass is always greener on the other side (abroad) or so they think. Many people will spend up £20,000 to be smuggled out of the country, can that amount of money not start a business in Nigeria?
To ask this question does not mean that we are Yaradua or OBJ defenders (nothing could be further from the truth in my case).
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posakosa (m)
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The problem with Nigeria in my opinion is that business development is soo much tied to the political climate. Every time a new party comes in, to survive you must BRIBE and support that new party. Abroad it is not necessary so, in fact, to obtain the necessary votes YOU MUST SERVE the small business owners and listen to them.
What does this mean ?
I have a personal story, I had an uncle who studied engineering abroad and then went back to Nigeria to start an elevator company business; HE made a lot of money. But every time a new political candidate came in, he needed to BRIBE and such; apart from that unnecessary stress, he was KILLED in the end by armed robbers.
1. Take Bill Gates for example <I've never heard or read about him having to bribe this and that political candidate> in fact, the government THANKS him for creating jobs and promoting workforce and economic development
2. I have never seen Bill Gates worry so much about his safety. <Im sure he has body guard BUT light is not a problem, the fear of armed robbery attacks is NOT a daily problem for him.>
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posakosa (m)
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Rossike has a point. The grass is always greener on the other side (abroad) or so they think. Many people will spend up £20,000 to be smuggled out of the country, can that amount of money not start a business in Nigeria?
To ask this question does not mean that we are Yaradua or OBJ defenders (nothing could be further from the truth in my case).
No, the grass is NOT always greener. There is hope if you have access to capital to develop a business but in Nigeria so much is attached to OLIGARCHY. Nigeria is more than Capitalistic and Nigerians are more than entrepreneurial; its just some people would rather live in a place where they would NEVER have to worry about some basic necessities.
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Chrisbenogor (m)
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Typical Nigerian, putting the cart before the horse, we already know the country is bad, are you guys saying there is no panacea for the problem? We have to change the government first and at least try and choose our leaders then we can start tackling the problems, we will not achieve a thing without good governance let us stop reminding ourselves of the problem we already know what they are.
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posakosa (m)
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I do believe that there is hope to move Nigeria forward but the group of changers that can do so, must take the time to draw out and map out all of the stakeholders.
It is more than obvious that everyone is tired of the MESS, hence the SAME ACCUSATORY POSTS keep reoccurring and the same people keep contributing----- it is not about a right or wrong answer, its about HOPE and structure.
1. people need their daily meals <FOOD AND WATER> 2. the right to live in a safe area <without concern for ARMED ROBBERS> 3. Small business and business development needs to be FREE from political rubbish to ensure STABILITY.
Nigeria is NOT HOME to the Chinese, Nigeria is HOME to the Nigerians. If something happens, Chinese can always RUN BACK to China. Nigerians have NO WHERE to run to.
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posakosa (m)
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Typical Nigerian, putting the cart before the horse, we already know the country is bad, are you guys saying there is no panacea for the problem? We have to change the government first and at least try and choose our leaders then we can start tackling the problems, we will not achieve a thing without good governance let us stop reminding ourselves of the problem we already know what they are.
To me, there is NO SUCH THING as GOOD GOVERNANCE. No country has GOOD GOVERNANCE. . Its only a myth, but we need people in leadership positions that have some sort of concern for HUMAN RIGHTS, Justice, and business growth. Business development is very vital. Nigeria's problem is that of poisonous stakeholders. The number one step to change is to figure out who the STAKEHOLDERS are. Many people don't even know who these stakeholders are yet they want to CHANGE, CHANGE the country., How do you deal with well-invested STAKEHOLDERS ?
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posakosa (m)
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FASHOLA knows who some of these stakeholders are and he has done his best to please them as well as please MOST of the masses---- He is SHINING.
You give some, you take some. He learned a lot under Tinubu.
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SapeleGuy
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Typical Nigerian, putting the cart before the horse, we already know the country is bad, are you guys saying there is no panacea for the problem? We have to change the government first and at least try and choose our leaders then we can start tackling the problems, we will not achieve a thing without good governance let us stop reminding ourselves of the problem we already know what they are.
What if it takes 20 years to change the current evil ideology in government (bearing in mind that country has been in steady decline since the mid 1980's), what are the people mean't to do in the mean time. wait for govt to change? or try and help themselves?
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Chrisbenogor (m)
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PosaKosa, Very true brother, the problem of Nigeria is a hydra headed monster with many many many dimensions. I repeatedly tell my friends that you cannot expect anything from someone you did not put in a position to lead. Take lagos state for instance, yes they have not reached the pinnacle but we can see potential, which is very very important. When I use the term good governance I mean when the ruling class really begin to give a damn about the masses, take a look at your complaints , daily meals security and so on. How do we achieve these in this environment? Can we take the Government out of the equation? No.
Back to the issue of stakeholders, I am sure you are aware of the accusation that a cartel makes 500,000 dollars from fuel importation daily, maybe not totally true but we know in Nigeria things cannot be that far off, these are the stakeholders we are talking about, how do you stop a man who is used to making a cool maybe 10 million Naira off this country everyday?
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OPCman
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This is the problem in that country, many Nigerians are so selfish, self-centred, bloody arrogant and cruel to the extent that, because they are fortunate to be what they are (through, only God knows), think other Nigerians should be blamed for their misfortunes. How on earth should any sensible or rational person, be blaming handicapped Nigerians for not being so successful in an un-conducive environment we have in the country. Is it the insecurity in the country you want to talk about or lack basic amenities to live a normal life? And what can his/her suggested starting capital of $2,000 dollars fetch you in Nigeria anyway? By the time you buy one Tokunbo car, there will be nothing left to pay your monthly rent - (that’s if the landlord did not ask for two years in advance).
I think the poster and his/her enthusiasts are armed robbers who want people to come home (Nigeria) with dollars to boost their business.
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posakosa (m)
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author=Chrisbenogor link=topic=345743.msg4838915#msg4838915 date=1257070740] how do you stop a man who is used to making a cool maybe 10 million Naira off this country everyday? Exactly----Exactly, there are people who want things and will do ANYTHING to get it at the expense of other--- now how can we give this fools what they want yet STILL SERVE our own interest ? thats the questions we should be asking ? Because the bastards are very well INVESTED in the country and will kill anyone that comes in their ways. How do we fulfill the NEEDS of these stakeholders no matter how EVIL and STILL SERVE our own interest? care and concern for the masses? These stakeholders aint going no where. Thats the million dollar question and its HARD.
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Tcrack
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@rossike you have a valid point.however, the QUALITY OF LIFE is low in Nigeria which is why most of the people who are leaving are.its not all about greener pastures. infrastructure,security,human development etc. NO SECTOR IS WORKING
E.G NEPA TAKE LIGHT==>PETROL 4 GEN ==>FUEL SCARCITY==>DARKNESS===>BUSINESS GROUNDED.
Mention one business one can do without stable power/energy supply. NONE.
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Chiddysville (m)
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@ nuzo and your likes i believe your conscience is judging you. what have you really done in practical terms to make Nigeria a better place? Yes, we have bad leaders, no electricity etc but what have done to invent an alternative? Running to another man's country and spewing rubbish from there is not make our country better. You 'll agree with me that if most of us can put the kind of zeal and determination we put at the embassies and abroad, Nigeria would have been a better place. Do you know most of us are so misguided that we choose to go and die in the desert or on shark infested waters all in an effort to get to Europe rather than use our God given talent to fight for our land and look for alternatives to make it a better place for us all. Don't tell me about China and Asia, cos i lived there and know them much more than you. Wherever they are or whatever they are or whatever skill the acquire, they always go back home to make it better. What about you? You're waiting for the right time or when everything is perfectly ok? Then, that time will never come for you. Nigeria is going through some difficult times now and we can only solve the problem by facing it and surmounting it. Never by standing on the fence and spewing rubbish
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tosh_acer
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The problem with Nigeria in my opinion is that business development is soo much tied to the political climate. Every time a new party comes in, to survive you must BRIBE and support that new party. Abroad it is not necessary so, in fact, to obtain the necessary votes YOU MUST SERVE the small business owners and listen to them.
What does this mean ?
I have a personal story, I had an uncle who studied engineering abroad and then went back to Nigeria to start an elevator company business; HE made a lot of money. But every time a new political candidate came in, he needed to BRIBE and such; apart from that unnecessary stress, he was KILLED in the end by armed robbers.
1. Take Bill Gates for example <I've never heard or read about him having to bribe this and that political candidate> in fact, the government THANKS him for creating jobs and promoting workforce and economic development
2. I have never seen Bill Gates worry so much about his safety. <Im sure he has body guard BUT light is not a problem, the fear of armed robbery attacks is NOT a daily problem for him.>
SO THIS HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY IN NIGERIA WHO DECIDES TO SIT DOWN AND DO BUSINESS? WHAT ABOUT MILLIONS WHO HAVE NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT AND POLITICS AND YET ARE DOING GOOD IN THEIR BUSINESS? COME HOME AND I WILL POINT THESE TO YOU. I HAVE FRIENDS WHO AFTER GRADUATION DECIDED TO GO INTO BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY DID PROFFESSIONAL COURSES, TODAY THEY ARE MILLIONAIRES, AND WHEN THEY GO OUT IN THEIR CARS, OR WHEN THEY GO HOLIDAYING ABROAD, THE LIKES OF YOU CALL THEM THIEVES AND GOVERNMENT APOLOGISTS.
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macfarland
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@TOSH_ACER
You are a complete toso and dumb block head if you can understand that the bad image and and name the Nation is getting is caused by bad governance and that government holds key to a 'good' the poster wants everyone to see about the country. You and myopic folks here are a simply confused moron not see that a fish cant stay outside water without complaining of harsh treatment. Dumb idiot!
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Chiddysville (m)
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@ nuzo and your likes i believe your conscience is judging you. what have you really done in practical terms to make Nigeria a better place? Yes, we have bad leaders, no electricity etc but what have done to invent an alternative? Running to another man's country and spewing rubbish from there is not make our country better. You 'll agree with me that if most of us can put the kind of zeal and determination we put at the embassies and abroad, Nigeria would have been a better place. Do you know most of us are so misguided that we choose to go and die in the desert or on shark infested waters all in an effort to get to Europe rather than use our God given talent to fight for our land and look for alternatives to make it a better place for us all. Don't tell me about China and Asia, cos i lived there and know them much more than you. Wherever they are or whatever they are or whatever skill the acquire, they always go back home to make it better. What about you? You're waiting for the right time or when everything is perfectly ok? Then, that time will never come for you. Nigeria is going through some difficult times now and we can only solve the problem by facing it and surmounting it. Never by standing on the fence and spewing rubbish
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SapeleGuy
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To me, there is NO SUCH THING as GOOD GOVERNANCE. No country has GOOD GOVERNANCE. . Its only a myth, but we need people in leadership positions that have some sort of concern for HUMAN RIGHTS, Justice, and business growth. Business development is very vital.
Nigeria's problem is that of poisonous stakeholders. The number one step to change is to figure out who the STAKEHOLDERS are. Many people don't even know who these stakeholders are yet they want to CHANGE, CHANGE the country., How do you deal with well-invested STAKEHOLDERS ?
There are some fundamental contradictions in you statement. Good governance is simply doing things properly and efficiently. How can you say good governance is a myth ? My diesel bill is not a myth? Police cashpoints are not a myth? Lack of water is not a myth? These are symptoms and effects of bad governance.
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Chrisbenogor (m)
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What if it takes 20 years to change the current evil ideology in government (bearing in mind that country has been in steady decline since the mid 1980's), what are the people mean't to do in the mean time. wait for govt to change? or try and help themselves? Brother if it takes 20 years then we all have to wait, the alternative you mentioned is a lot worse. I flew into port harcourt last week from Abuja and I wanted to take an airport taxi into the town a roughly 15-20 min journey and the guy says five thousand naira. I was mad and made sure to tell him that I just entered a drop from WUSE II to the airport which is almost 4 if not five times the distance for just one thousand five hundred naira. He goes into the litany of problems in rivers state roads ( which you can only see with your eyes now, I have to be in town by 3 pm today and I am leaving in the next 5 mins its that bad) and one begins to see, when things are bad things are expensive and difficult, every single thing boils down to how both places are run. While Julius berger is busy building roads in the FCT, contracts are given to companies here that are way way below standard and the roads have been left in a really sorry state, so in turn the drivers can no longer make as many trips as possible and have to increase their fares, I hope you catch my drift. The problems are interwoven in so many ways that only when Fashola's begin to pop up, we have a chance to at least forge ahead and out of the gully of underdevelopment we find ourselves.
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posakosa (m)
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There are some fundamental contradictions in you statement. Good governance is simply doing things properly and efficiently. How can you say good governance is a myth ? My diesel bill is not a myth? Police cashpoints are not a myth? Lack of water is not a myth?
These are symptoms and effects of bad governance.
What does governance mean ?
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tosh_acer
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@TOSH_ACER
You are a complete toso and dumb block head if you can understand that the bad image and and name the Nation is getting is caused by bad governance and that government holds key to a 'good' the poster wants everyone to see about the country. You and myopic folks here are a simply confused moron not see that a fish cant stay outside water without complaining of harsh treatment. Dumb idiot!
Those names are exactly what you think of your father and mother. I am happy you call them just that.
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