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~Sauron~
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There was a thread created by @Beaf sometime ago on what mineral resources each state in Nigeria currently produces and there is another containing information on monthly state allocations. Please try to get yourself acquainted with some of the information presented on those threads, most from your own government's site. Trust me, MONEY is not the problem with many these governments.
How are these allocations shared? Does it take the staggering population of a state like Lagos into consideration. Nigeria cannot move forward if the citizens fail to pay their taxes. . . . .The Government cannot be held responsible for people's dishonesty of NOT declaring their monthly income.
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Kenny (m)
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Hey!, softly,, softly, , on them. Ignorance. Let them have a change of scene, maybe they'll see and decide for themselves.
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Kobojunkie
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How are these allocations shared? Does it take the staggering population of a state like Lagos into consideration. Nigeria cannot move forward if the citizens fail to pay their taxes. . . . .The Government cannot be held responsible for people's dishonesty of NOT declaring their monthly income.
Please spend some time looking up the information I suggested. You will be shocked to learn that a lot of these states get enough for development to be seen but none still. And also investigate the actual % of people who pay taxes and compare that to any assumed ideas you may have of people not paying taxes at all.
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akinalabi (m)
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How are these allocations shared? Does it take the staggering population of a state like Lagos into consideration. Nigeria cannot move forward if the citizens fail to pay their taxes. . . . .The Government cannot be held responsible for people's dishonesty of NOT declaring their monthly income.
There is no disputing the fact that we should pay our taxes. . . The point people are making (including myself) is that the government makes so much money which can be used for development purposes
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Isu ata
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arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it pains me alot to see (presumed-wu rily knows) adults tlk from all corners of the mouth
@kobo i rily like the way yu argue out yur points, shows a high sense of risoning(not necessarily corect but high) being able to hold out is a virtue especially widout the insults, kip it up
now dat sed
its soo case study to note dat most pple dnt think b4 they talk but its far more a worrying case study dat pple dont think b4 they type and post to forums. Y?
ow hard is it to simply understand wot the poster meant wen he(i honestly believs its a she)started this thread?
by far the only and i repeat,the only persona dat hs leveraged -the can do spirit and the message of the poster has been blackman more kudos to you my bro nd we dey expect you wen yu finish yur masters
to be petty, i wld say wot constructive criticism do you expect from diasporans wu re out dere doing menial jobs for a living, just to be petty
wia did d poster say yu guys shld neva criticise? but wot efforts re you making in yur criticism? wen yu criticise, wot solutions do you profer? dia is criticism and dia is complaining, most of the fame kings in NL complain, becos yu see gud constructions nd IQ but yu fail to see the solutions they profer (you myt wonder wia my solutions are, if yu do den yu must be readin upside down cos i just profered 1-criticise solution oriented)
most of us on NL mainly are complainers
take a typical example of the persona of blackman he proffered a typical solution dats practical except for kobo wu was able to argue wit the guy, non of the loud mouth croonies cld comment against his comments non!
wen we criticise, lets make it constructive by proferring solutions
to the major theme hia
we all know that the govt aint providing nada in terms of infrastructure and the enabling environment we need so shld we becos; we dont want to encourage the govt to be negligent, sit on our oars and starve to death or (or worse)-kill our dreams? no!
wot shld we do?
find alternatives(if govt remedy aint working), contray to wot most of yu think solar aint dat expensive as yu make it out to bein naija maybe they cld be inferior materials but i ahve seen far cheaper. (i gess 4 IT inclined pple we think open source all the time, ways to dispell the dominace of the proprietry kings)
my coy is workin with some koreans to build STB's in nigeria and we re practically going to be running on solar, the cost is crazilly realistic and cheaper its like a construction project i caught wind of a coy is presently engaged in with some Austarlians hia in Abuja, they re gonna be building houses or anyting buildable with some metal(forgotten the name-used to build planes i think) you wont beliv, cost of shipping it into the country and building a bungalow,fully furnished with some(alredy decorated woods or board)is way cheaper dan using blocks and its delivery time is in under 2 weeks wot do yu say about dat?, but the funny tins is dis, they hav a problem with setting a price tag(greedy followership)becos of ow cheap it is and ow fancyful it looks they wnt to charge tripple the cost(i min the naija partners) so you see, followership has a deep rooted problem in Naija which is not caused by the Ledership but by our degrading values as pple ow many fasholas and Dukes do we have in naija?
just becos govt aint doin it doesnt min we shldnt do anytin
it is either of two things channel yur frustrations and rage to providing an enabling environment for yurself or channel the rge to a revolution(weda peaceful or violent)
if the likes of MTN and the rest tot enabling environment no dey naija, dey wldnt be hia tody rakin in so much mony
some pple kip talking of taxes taxes taxes, do we pay taxes like they pay in western countries? i av been workin in a coy for some coy close to a yr, al i get is my cheque it doesnt say i paid some tax to dis or dat and it goes like dat all around the place and we wrk closely with FIRS to develop solutions(irony) like some1 sed in the previous page, we are all the problem of dis country not some imaginary govt
most of us fail to understand the butterfly effect it wld have if we positively provide alternativs for enabling our business and economic environment
take GLO as example, aftr discovering ow inefficient SAT3 crooners are ddnt he go bring his own link into the country, wen it launches bigtime, we'll see a crash in bandwidth cost, efficient communication and the magic communication will bring odas are following suit, phase 3 etc
all i am yapping about is dis @[b]kobo the summary of yur comments say we shld continue to complain and nt provide ourselves an enabling environment (if we can) so as not to allow govt rape the country, we shld just continually continue to complain and by some miracle govt will wake up[/b]minwilly we can starve to death,forget our dreams, jsut complain and dnt help govt provide wot we need to survive if yu dnt know, dats wot yur comments suggest and i aint hammering you its yur opinion and yu have a point to an extent but like dis we will ll die out and i dont see yu in the country doin same, lol
enuf 4 now the comments so far, BLACKMAN
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~Sauron~
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There is no disputing the fact that we should pay our taxes. . . The point people are making (including myself) is that the government makes so much money which can be used for development purposes
It's depressing!!!!
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Kobojunkie
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to be petty, i wld say wot constructive criticism do you expect from diasporans wu re out dere doing menial jobs for a living, just to be petty
You really believe people who live in the diaspora work MENIAL JOBS? DO you realize how IGNORANT that statement is? wia did d poster say yu guys shld neva criticise? but wot efforts re you making in yur criticism? wen yu criticise, wot solutions do you profer? dia is criticism and dia is complaining, most of the fame kings in NL complain, becos yu see gud constructions nd IQ but yu fail to see the solutions they profer (you myt wonder wia my solutions are, if yu do den yu must be readin upside down cos i just profered 1-criticise solution oriented)
most of us on NL mainly are complainers
You want a solution proffered? Here is one ! Go to the Government Agencies and FILE COMPLAINTS UPON COMPLAINTS until you start getting results ( NOTE this is NOTHING NEW and is COMMON SENSE) . Now, I have PROFFERED a solution. What are you going to do with this Solution? @Isu Ata I am challenging you to PROVE to me this SOLUTION will be implemented by YOU from this point on. File the Papers and POst the REF# and scans of the Complaint letters on here for at least a year to show that YOU Yourself are not Just another complainer like the ones we like to hate, but a doer at this point. PROVE to me that this demand that people who criticize also proffer a solution is not another VAIN attempt by Nigerians to FEEL RELEVANT and a pretentious way of claiming one is doing something about the situation .
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Isu ata
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@KOBo i sed to be petty, iam sure yu saw dat(wath!)
and 2.
wen i min solution oriented criticism,
digressing a lil
i use to work with some indians and dia mantra is simple, if you must complain come with a solution to it, a solution with a framework
dat sed, oga, in my long thesis above you dia , i told you of Mr.Blackman(yu havnt 4gotten him now-hav yu?)
why wld i wanna waste my time filling papers wen i cld use d same time to research into ow to create alternativ mins of doing summin the govt aint doin right?, i min
dia ws a time i tot businesses cldnt flourish in naija until i met my current boss, wnt mention his name came back from the US, Houston to be exact,
most businesses and solutions we venture into involves only brokering partnerships with foreign investors-das all he brings dem in and they begin processes of setting up, we plan ow the business rolls out, from cost to profit get or seek for investors (yu wnt beliv ow many foreigners want to invest in dis same country without enabling environment as most pple claim here) we even plan bribes in our costs, dats a detailed project plan, and wot av i lerned so far from dis man, he doesnt look at the environment and complain alone(becos as rich as he his,he complaians and comapares naija to US alot) but hes doing stuff about it.
i talked about an STB plant which wld be operational 2nd to 3rd Qrtr of nxt year in naija here, ow much is my coy investment in it? next to nothing! ow much re dis koreans spending? boy you dnt wanna know,
we re presently in a country wia tins dont want to work not becos they cant work
shld we sit and wait? it wld have been nice if tins jsut cldnt work but NO! some pple dnt want to make it work! so wot shld we do my OGA?
we re blessed with brains in dis country and we shld use it,
so many frends i meet dis days are enterpreneurs, operating from dia rooms in Abuja hia with inverters and half of dem solar dis and dat. and dey make sooo much mony yu'l think they re govt assassins becos its like dey practically do nottin, only using dia professional skillz, from investment experts to IT solution's specialists to forex holding experts and wot have i lernt from dem and kip lerning, find yur place in wateva environment and do yur part and be deligent becos surely dias always a place 4 you
so sir, i wnt spend my time filling papers to somewia
but sir kobo
i am definately working towards doin summin by creating an enabling environment to make wealth and also create jobs n livelyhood for my fellow country man
dnt worry yu'll be d 1st to know
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Isu ata
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example
ow many of you know about the DIY solar panels, do you knw it takes about $200-300 to build(i min everyting) ow many of you knw about the craze of FTA Sats and ow much it takes to watch betta channels dan govt owned stations and DSTV combined dis re just a lil of host of so many lil tins dat can dd value to our lives, make us some cool cash and so on
withh my FTA why wld i wanna file papers to govt house that NTA shows rubbish
with my DIY built solar panels under 25k, why wld i bother about filling papers to PHCN when i neva get to even use it my credit on my meter is stil intact dia for months now since they came to install it, neva once used it
dats open source solutions tailored to make lives more comfy and less govt dependent
and all can be found freely on the internet
i even browse the internet freely but heck, dats a professional skill, lol
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Ujujoan (f)
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You knos some peole on this forum feel so high and mighty that ther are in the diaspora and they feel they've earned the rights to not only condemn their home country, but also look down of the people therein!
I've watched the arguments on this thread and even though am not surpirsed by the things spewing from the mouth of a certain someone, I'm amazed at how someone who is a citizen of this country will feel comfortable to fold his hands and condemn the government, when he/she has done absolutely nothing to change the way things are done.
When people like us are putting in out two cents, it's sad to see people blabbing about what they even know to start with!
@ Isu ata
Please dont bother with people with hypicritical opinions. I know I dont!
Soludo came to contest for Governor and it's the same group of people that would rather have him run back to his nice and comfy world bank, when his own homeland is in disarray!
I wonder when the people outside this country will realize they share the same blame with every other citizen, in power or not.
Our leaders embezzle our fund because we allow them. No amount of criticism can change that!
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AjanleKoko
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My two cents: 1. People in Nigeria are disempowered, from knowledge and a bunch of other stuff. We can't ask everybody to ignore the government or pretend the constraints caused by the outrageous mismanagement of our resources, like the atrocities committed don't exist. I'm sure those Chinamen don't have to contend with not having the basics of food, clothing, shelter, education, medicare, good roads, power, etc. How many people in Nigeria even have Internet access? All the Nairaland agitators don't constitute 0.1% of the population.
2. After all said and done, poster, what are you doing to empower yourself and others? Seems to me all we do is talk. That in itself isn't bad, but we must all get involved, even if it is in bringing the current power bloc to its knees. Let's take care of the political problems, and you'll see how fast we will develop.
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Kobojunkie
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wen i min solution oriented criticism, digressing a lil i use to work with some indians and dia mantra is simple, if you must complain come with a solution to it, a solution with a framework You worked with Indians who has such a mantra and you EXPECT NIGERIANS to start doing as the Indians do? I think that is disturbing considering there is NO SOLID RESEARCH Out there that states that is the best way to COMPLAIN but then again . . . . moving on! dat sed, oga, in my long thesis above you dia , i told you of Mr.Blackman(yu havnt 4gotten him now-hav yu?) why wld i wanna waste my time filling papers wen i cld use d same time to research into ow to create alternativ mins of doing summin the govt aint doin right?, i min Do you REALIZE that filling out papers IS YOUR DUTY AS A CITIZEN OF NIGERIA? Do you? I think that is where this problem resides. Nigerian PEOPLE do not KNOW what their REAL RESPONSIBILITIES ARE. You can have your alternatives BUT THAT DOES NOT remove you from your RESPONSIBILITY as a CITIZEN or supposed PATRIOT. It is your PATRIOTIC Duty as a citizen to FILE A COMPLAINT as often as you need to, to get those YOU HIRED in government to start working ON YOUR BEHALF. There are almost 100 million Nigerians who cannot afford many of the alternatives you can. What is their fate if those who can afford the alternatives REFUSE to do their part as CITIZENS? If you really CARE about your country and those who are less fortunate than you are, don’t you think it makes sense for you to fight a cause that will better the lot of the many and not just the FEW( in most cases just SELF)? dia ws a time i tot businesses cldnt flourish in naija until i met my current boss, wnt mention his name came back from the US, Houston to be exact, most businesses and solutions we venture into involves only brokering partnerships with foreign investors-das all he brings dem in and they begin processes of setting up, we plan ow the business rolls out, from cost to profit get or seek for investors (yu wnt beliv ow many foreigners want to invest in dis same country without enabling environment as most pple claim here) we even plan bribes in our costs, dats a detailed project plan, and wot av i lerned so far from dis man, he doesnt look at the environment and complain alone(becos as rich as he his,he complaians and comapares naija to US alot) but hes doing stuff about it. If you really look into my posts, I don’t care whether businesses thrive or don’t thrive in Nigeria at this time considering these businesses have to MEANDER the current environment and some cut corners too in other to succeed. I don’t believe Businesses will save Nigeria. Again, I don’t care about any INDIVIDUALS business dream considering most of it all is ABOUT SELF, SELF, SELF, and less about actually helping FIX the Nigerian problem. So, let’s not even bother with that end any more. Seriously, if you want to run your business on generator and can afford it that is your business! But trying to propose that as possible SOLUTION to all others out there is not only ludicrous but sign that one is seriously out of touch with the reality of life in Nigeria over the last 20 years. I am more concerned about the average Nigerians RIGHT and freedom to COMPLAIN, which is what the @POSTER went on about and then tried to explain away by assuming more NGOS will come save the day. i talked about an STB plant which wld be operational 2nd to 3rd Qrtr of nxt year in naija here, ow much is my coy investment in it? next to nothing! ow much re dis koreans spending? boy you dnt wanna know, we re presently in a country wia tins dont want to work not becos they cant work shld we sit and wait? it wld have been nice if tins jsut cldnt work but NO! some pple dnt want to make it work! so wot shld we do my OGA?we re blessed with brains in dis country and we shld use it, so many frends i meet dis days are enterpreneurs, operating from dia rooms in Abuja hia with inverters and half of dem solar dis and dat.and dey make sooo much mony yu'l think they re govt assassins becos its like dey practically do nottin, only using dia professional skillz, from investment experts to IT solution's specialists to forex holding expertsand wot have i lernt from dem and kip lerning, find yur place in wateva environment and do yur part and be deligent becos surely dias always a place 4 you so sir, i wnt spend my time filling papers to somewia but sir kobo i am definately working towards doin summin by creating an enabling environment to make wealth and also create jobs n livelyhood for my fellow country man dnt worry yu'll be d 1st to know
You CANNOT create an ENABLING ENVIRONMENT for anyone else but YOURSELF until you start DOING what is required of you as a CITIZEN. Assuming one can do that, is akin to one, when called to improve healthcare for his family decides to stock up the refrigerator with the reasoning that if his family eats more, they will likely not get sick often. It does not work at all. In fact it is counter intuitive. Someone will argue that Dangote has helped CREATE an enabling environment in Nigeria as well. But you realize that even with the many he hires, the DEEP PROBLEMS continue to EXIST. More and more people fall below the poverty Line DAILY. Do you seriously believe that Your own business is the one that will suddenly CHANGE IT ALL when the thousands of businesses, many world recognized that are currently running in Nigeria today, have yet to put a DENT in the REAL problems faced by over 150 Million Nigerians? IF we were to bring in 200 million professionals from the WEST and other advanced nations into Nigeria today to fix the PROBLEMS, Change will not come still. Because Change needed in this case is for Average Nigerians to start SPEAKING OUT( COMPLAINING, FILING PAPERS at government Agencies, REVOLTING etc) against the DISRESPECT they get from their EMPLOYEES( those hired to be in government). 200 million world professionals can only provide a bandage which is bound to come off as soon as they all leave to go back to where they are from. There is definitely a place for businesses in society but please, can we stop this FANTASY that BUSINESSES will save the day. The more people who buy generators( which pollute the environment by the way) and register and run new businesses, the better the Nigerian problem? What PHOOEY!!! You can only deal with GOVERNMENT problems by DOING YOUR DUTY as a CITIZEN. Your duty is to FILE COMPLAINTS and PUSH TO ENSURE YOUR VOICE is heard ALL, not some, but ALL the times. Even if it takes YEARS, that is your MAIN responsibility as a CITIZEN. Not until you get that, will you have left that CLOSED SELF PORTAL there and actually come to understand your RIGHT, not only as a citizen but as a Human being and then will you be able to respect the rights of others.
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Kobojunkie
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My two cents: 1. People in Nigeria are disempowered, from knowledge and a bunch of other stuff. We can't ask everybody to ignore the government or pretend the constraints caused by the outrageous mismanagement of our resources, like the atrocities committed don't exist. I'm sure those Chinamen don't have to contend with not having the basics of food, clothing, shelter, education, medicare, good roads, power, etc. How many people in Nigeria even have Internet access? All the Nairaland agitators don't constitute 0.1% of the population.
2. After all said and done, poster, what are you doing to empower yourself and others? Seems to me all we do is talk. That in itself isn't bad, but we must all get involved, even if it is in bringing the current power bloc to its knees. Let's take care of the political problems, and you'll see how fast we will develop.
i doubt the number is even up to 0.001% of the Nigerian population. I do hope it is on the rise cause I am banking on that.
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manny4life (m)
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Damn y'all going at it again.
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posakosa (m)
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^^^^^^^ its NL for you 
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Isu ata
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You worked with Indians who has such a mantra and you EXPECT NIGERIANS to start doing as the Indians do? I think that is disturbing considering there is NO SOLID RESEARCH Out there that states that is the best way to COMPLAIN but then again . . . . moving on! Well wot wld you suggest…dat you have employees dat just complain and whine widout proposing a solution framework? Do you REALIZE that filling out papers IS YOUR DUTY AS A CITIZEN OF NIGERIA? Do you? I think that is where this problem resides. Nigerian PEOPLE do not KNOW what their REAL RESPONSIBILITIES ARE. I agree totally with you here and after dat is done….do I just use all my efforts to make sure the helms of affairs hia me? And wen dey do and don’t do anytin nko? Shld I den continue wasting my efforts I cld channel at finding OPENSOURCE-cheaper ways of finding alternativs to d essential services dey re supposed to give? You can have your alternatives BUT THAT DOES NOT remove you from your RESPONSIBILITY as a CITIZEN or supposed PATRIOT. It is your PATRIOTIC Duty as a citizen to FILE A COMPLAINT as often as you need to, to get those YOU HIRED in government to start working ON YOUR BEHALF. agreed 100% There are almost 100 million Nigerians who cannot afford many of the alternatives you can. ---not necessarily true, most of dis 100millions re wasteful spenders!yu’ll be surprised the amount dey spend on parties is enuf to get dem dis lternativs. What is their fate if those who can afford the alternatives REFUSE to do their part as CITIZENS? If you really CARE about your country and those who are less fortunate than you are, don’t you think it makes sense for you to fight a cause that will better the lot of the many and not just the FEW- I wld think at dis point think dat cause will be to provide an enabling scenario wia dey can get daily income and get a livelihood wia dia re some hell bent factors dedicated to make sure they stay on ground( in most cases just SELF)? If you really look into my posts, I don’t care whether businesses thrive or don’t thrive in Nigeria at this time considering these businesses have to MEANDER the current environment and some cut corners too in other to succeed. I don’t believe Businesses will save Nigeria. Again, I don’t care about any INDIVIDUALS business dream considering most of it all is ABOUT SELF, SELF, SELF, and less about actually helping FIX the Nigerian problem. So, let’s not even bother with that end any more. dis I don’t get…if I create a biz…I wnt spend d mony alone(ofcourse I myt make a considerable amount dan my employees) but in any case employ a fraction of d jobless populace [b]doin my own partbusinesses do help too, sir. [/b] Seriously, if you want to run your business on generator and can afford it that is your business! But trying to propose that as possible SOLUTION to all others out there is not only ludicrous but sign that one is seriously out of touch with the reality of life in Nigeria over the last 20 years. ….agreed but iam not …SIR iam all for cheaper alternativs, you shld enter yung pple’s homes dis days…yu’l marvel and laff at the alternativs dat exist.i ws impressed wen I saw a frend did to his UPS , adding extra batteries and other tins and turning it into a local inverter, hes gen is gathering dust!he earns below 50k a month! I am more concerned about the average Nigerians RIGHT and freedom to COMPLAIN, which is what the @POSTER went on about and then tried to explain away by assuming more NGOS will come save the day. all @poster ws tryn to say ws a more focused channeling of our rage and complains das all which is the same view I have for the precious militants of niger-delta(if dey had done strategic and selected bombing of some highly and influential thieves in naija and kidnapped dem instead…twld have made more revolutionary sense) You CANNOT create an ENABLING ENVIRONMENT for anyone else but YOURSELF until you start DOING what is required of you as a CITIZEN. Assuming one can do that, is akin to one, when called to improve healthcare for his family decides to stock up the refrigerator with the reasoning that if his family eats more, they will likely not get sick often. It does not work at all. In fact it is counter intuitive .lol, d average naija wld actually do dat….beliv me I knw Someone will argue that Dangote has helped CREATE an enabling environment in Nigeria as well. But you realize that even with the many he hires, the DEEP PROBLEMS continue to EXIST. More and more people fall below the poverty Line DAILY. Do you seriously believe that Your own business is the one that will suddenly CHANGE IT ALL when the thousands of businesses, many world recognized that are currently running in Nigeria today, have yet to put a DENT in the REAL problems faced by over 150 Million Nigerians? But yu gotta admit, hes doin hes part and dats d mentality we need to have…do yur own part and wen we all do…it will cause the miracle we nid in govt qrtrs. IF we were to bring in 200 million professionals from the WEST and other advanced nations into Nigeria today to fix the PROBLEMS, Change will not come still. Because Change needed in this case is for Average Nigerians to start SPEAKING OUT( COMPLAINING, FILING PAPERS at government Agencies, REVOLTING etc) against the DISRESPECT they get from their EMPLOYEES( those hired to be in government). 200 million world professionals can only provide a bandage which is bound to come off as soon as they all leave to go back to where they are from. There is definitely a place for businesses in society but please, can we stop this FANTASY that BUSINESSES will save the day. The more people who buy generators( which pollute the environment by the way) and register and run new businesses, the better the Nigerian problem? What PHOOEY!!! You can only deal with GOVERNMENT problems by DOING YOUR DUTY as a CITIZEN. Your duty is to FILE COMPLAINTS and PUSH TO ENSURE YOUR VOICE is heard ALL, not some, but ALL the times. Even if it takes YEARS, that is your MAIN responsibility as a CITIZEN. Not until you get that, will you have left that CLOSED SELF PORTAL there and actually come to understand your RIGHT, not only as a citizen but as a Human being and then will you be able to respect the rights of others.
Sir kobo, I understand yur points and also beliv govt shld liv up to her responsibilities but at the same time we cnt wait 4 dem…even wia govts work dey re mostly too slow to attend to pple’s needs!
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Kobojunkie
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Sir kobo, I understand yur points and also beliv govt shld liv up to her responsibilities but at the same time we cnt wait 4 dem…even wia govts work dey re mostly too slow to attend to pple’s needs!
Those we have in Government HAVE NOT lived up to its responsibilities. It is foolhardy to expect it to AT THIS POINT considering the POWER is NOT in the hands of the citizens to MAKE government live up to its responsibility. I think you are still missing the point here. In a democracy, the POWER NO LONGER RESIDES IN THE HANDS OF GOVERNMENT but in the HANDS of the people. So, waiting on Government is NO LONGER TO BE CONSIDERED because WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT Now. Those we have in leadership positions WORK FOR US. Since WE ARE THE MANAGERS/SUPERVISORS so to speak now, IT IS OUR DUTY as CITIZENS then to COMPLAIN/File complaints/fill out forms, in fact harangue those we HIRED(our civil servants) to do what needs to be done for us. If Government is NOT, in a democracy, living up to expectation, it is because the people are NOT putting enough pressure on Government to serve the people. So, while you can get an alternative for your PERSONAL CONVENIENCE, that does not excuse you from the fact that YOU ARE Not SUPERVISING GOVERNMENT enough as a CITIZEN. You can buy solar panels BUT YOU ALSO need to fulfill your duty as a CITIZEN; NOTHING excuses you from the RESPONSIBILITY. When GOVERNMENT IS SLOW, it is still your duty to step up, not to TAKE THE PLACE OF government but to demand Government WORK FASTER. There are currently over 100 Million Nigerians who do not have access to alternatives. They do not have access to BETTER education or ALTERNATIVES. They do not even have access to alternative Healthcare or alternative good water supply or even alternatives to toilet and the lot. They have no access to alternatives to the filth they current live in. Some people actually WORKED hard to get us DEMOCRACY so that the people can make more of the decisions. It has been 12 years and we are still making excuses for Government? 
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~Sauron~
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Some people actually WORKED hard to get us DEMOCRACY so that the people can make more of the decisions. It has been 12 years and we are still making excuses for Government?  It's barely TEN years. Nigeria go survive!!!
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Kobojunkie
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It's barely TEN years. Nigeria go survive!!!
Oh! my mistake!! NIgeria go survive? That is all you have to say after all this?
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~Sauron~
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Oh! my mistake!!
NIgeria go survive? That is all you have to say after all this?
What else is there to say? As much as i know the Nigerian Government is morally bankrupt, i still think the citizens don't do enough to help that country develop. Majority of Nigerians believe their FAITH is enough to feed em, house em and clothe em in this time and age. They'd rather invest all their income in a Church than doing something positive in their community.
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Kobojunkie
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What else is there to say?
As much as i know the Nigerian Government is morally bankrupt, i still think the citizens don't do enough to help that country develop. Majority of Nigerians believe their FAITH is enough to feed em, house em and clothe em in this time and age. They'd rather invest all their income in a Church than doing something positive in their community.
Is it the JOB of the citizens to spend their PERSONAL INCOMES DOING the Government's Job which, by the way, we already pay HEAVILY FOR both out in allocationsm, and via taxes or something? Did I miss that memo?
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Beaf
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What else is there to say?
As much as i know the Nigerian Government is morally bankrupt, i still think the citizens don't do enough to help that country develop. Majority of Nigerians believe their FAITH is enough to feed em, house em and clothe em in this time and age. They'd rather invest all their income in a Church than doing something positive in their community.
"Give up, all hope is lost." When people have been beaten right through the wall, they tend to lose hope and either accept anything that comes or turn to "higher powers".The amount of "faith" in the nation is an accurate measure of the trauma we have to live through.
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~Sauron~
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"Give up, all hope is lost." When people have been beaten right through the wall, they tend to lose hope and either accept anything that comes or turn to "higher powers". The amount of "faith" in the nation is an accurate measure of the trauma we have to live through.
MINT!!!!!Is it the JOB of the citizens to spend their PERSONAL INCOMES DOING the Government's Job which, by the way, we already pay HEAVILY FOR both out in allocationsm, and via taxes or something? Did I miss that memo?
It is not their JOB but they can help develop their own community. Rich people in Nigeria drop millions of Naira in the church and the streets they live are not motorable. Why not use that money to establish factories and help the jobless youths in their community. Nigerians love misplacing their priorities and that is where the problem lies.
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Kobojunkie
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Can we please stop waiting for people to spend their PERSONAL INCOME for us? How about all the Billions we give government each year? How about WASTING the energy we do, on trying to cajole ordinary citizens into INVESTING their personal income into society, on actually GETTING GOvernment to start spending the BILLIONS we already GIVE IT to GOOD use for our societies. That is bound to go a long way than trying to peek into every other persons Pocket to decide how much they ought to give of their PERSONAL PROPERTY.
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~Sauron~
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Can we please stop waiting for people to spend their PERSONAL INCOME for us? How about all the Billions we give government each year? How about WASTING the energy we do, on trying to cajole ordinary citizens into INVESTING their personal income into society, on actually GETTING GOvernment to start spending the BILLIONS we already GIVE IT to GOOD use for our societies. That is bound to go a long way than trying to peek into every other persons Pocket to decide how much they ought to give of their PERSONAL PROPERTY.
And if the government(The same corrupt politicians the citizens voted in because of their long throats) won't yield. . . .Should we then die in abject poverty?
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Kobojunkie
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It is not their JOB but they can help develop their own community. Rich people in Nigeria drop millions of Naira in the church and the streets they live are not motorable. What business of yours is it how much they drop in these churches though? Since when did it become their PROBLEM that Nigeria is the way it is for all? Are they the REASON for the turmoil? Why not accord them the same right you accord anyone else? Why not use that money to establish factories and help the jobless youths in their community. Why should they? Do they OWE YOU or anyone else that? It is THEIR money and they are FREE to use it as THEY please. Why IMPOSE on another man when it is not even your own property? Nigerians love misplacing their priorities and that is where the problem lies.
Even Nigerians are FREE to enjoy their MISPLACED PRIORITIES when it has to do with their PERSONAL INCOME/PROPERTY. If the man wants to use HIS money to buy a cloud, that is HIS BUSINESS AND HIS TO DEAL WITH. NOT Your place to tell em what to do with their own money for pete’s sake. Gosh!!! We TOO eye other people property!! Everyone seems to Know how ANOTHER should do HIS OWN !!! NA WA OO!!
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Kobojunkie
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And if the government(The same corrupt politicians the citizens voted in because of their long throats) won't yield. . . .Should we then die in abject poverty?
YES , OFCOURSE!!!
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~Sauron~
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What business of yours is it how much they drop in these churches though? Since when did it become their PROBLEM that Nigeria is the way it is for all? Are they the REASON for the turmoil? Why not accord them the same right you accord anyone else? Why should they? Do they OWE YOU or anyone else that? It is THEIR money and they are FREE to use it as THEY please. Why IMPOSE on another man when it is not even your own property? Even Nigerians are FREE to enjoy their MISPLACED PRIORITIES when it has to do with their PERSONAL INCOME/PROPERTY. If the man wants to use HIS money to buy a cloud, that is HIS BUSINESS AND HIS TO DEAL WITH. NOT Your place to tell em what to do with their own money for pete’s sake.
Gosh!!! We TOO eye other people property!! Everyone seems to Know how ANOTHER should do HIS OWN !!! NA WA OO!!
But it is the only way to move the country forward. . . There's a reason the British Government tax the rich people more than the low income earners(something we don't do in Nigeria). From next year, Football players earning more than £150k per annum are to be taxed 50%. . . . .low income earners are taxed 22%. Can we NOT deploy the same procedure in Nigeria to improve the lives of the poor people? YES , OFCOURSE!!!
U go wait TIRE!!!!
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Kobojunkie
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But it is the only way to move the country forward. . . That is a LIE. . . . The biggest lie of the century! Africa has received over 1 trillion dollars from the pockets of individuals over the last so many years. How come most all the countries have yet to move forward even with that? There's a reason the British Government tax the rich people more than the low income earners(something we don't do in Nigeria). Actually, tax is basically the more you earn, the more you pay. The BRITISH government DOES NOT, after collecting all necessary taxes, DEMAND that people USE their PERSONAL INCOME to do its work for it. That part is ALL YOU and not the British government. If you are trying to claim the rich people ,who you so willingly would like to place the responsibility of FIXING nigeria’s problems on their shoulders, do not pay their taxes, then again, I suggest you go do your homework as a citizen to find out the truth rather than assuming you imagine it makes it true. From next year, Football players earning more than £150k per annum are to be taxed 50%. . . . .low income earners are taxed 22%. Can we NOT deploy the same procedure in Nigeria to improve the lives of the poor people? You have YET TO ENSURE that BILLIONS in Allocations are even Used for developing the people. You are pushing to ADD more to the coffers so we can maybe get to a point where TRILLIONS are not being used instead? U go wait TIRE!!!!
I am not waiting for anyone. I am doing my part from where I am and hoping people like you, Nigerians out there, will get up and stop trying to blame willy! Willy!! and the rich, for your lack of stamina to do what you have to as a CITIZEN. If a man is not willing to fight for his right, then death is what he deserves!!! In fact, death is too good!
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~Sauron~
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If a man is not willing to fight for his right, then death is what he deserves!!!
Keep fighting. . . . . You will be holding hands with Ken Saro-Wiwa in the belly of the beast soon.
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Kobojunkie
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Keep fighting. . . . . You will be holding hands with Ken Saro-Wiwa in the belly of the beast soon.
Roflmao!!!! Lord have mercy on Nigeria ooo!!!
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~Sauron~
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Roflmao!!!! Lord have mercy on Nigeria ooo!!!
Hehe. What you seem to forget is how these corrupt Politicians got into power. . . . . They come around bribing the citizens into voting em in because of peanuts. Nigerians for what they are submit their moral values and vote in thugs in Agbada into power and yet they expect em to deliver. We cannot EAT our cakes and have em. Every country gets the government it deserves.
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