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posakosa (m)
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SO THIS HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY IN NIGERIA WHO DECIDES TO SIT DOWN AND DO BUSINESS?
WHAT ABOUT MILLIONS WHO HAVE NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT AND POLITICS AND YET ARE DOING GOOD IN THEIR BUSINESS? COME HOME AND I WILL POINT THESE TO YOU. I HAVE FRIENDS WHO AFTER GRADUATION DECIDED TO GO INTO BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY DID PROFFESSIONAL COURSES, TODAY THEY ARE MILLIONAIRES, AND WHEN THEY GO OUT IN THEIR CARS, OR WHEN THEY GO HOLIDAYING ABROAD, THE LIKES OF YOU CALL THEM THIEVES AND GOVERNMENT APOLOGISTS.
No need to write in all caps. I never suggested that this happens to everyone who starts a business. You probably don't know anything about the business climate in Nigeria. I don't have to tell you anything about myself nor will I brag and boast about the type of family I come from. Write in caps all you wants. NIGERIA WILL NEVER MOVE FORWARD PAST THIS NAIRALAND DEBATE IF WE CANNOT IDENTIFY STAKEHOLDERS.
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posakosa (m)
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btw, there is NO Big deal in going to holidays abroad, people in Nigeria go to
London for the weekend and back to work in Lagos on Monday so kini big deal ? Even my 16 year old niece does that ?  , she's among the few blessed to do that. I am speaking on behalf of the other 130 million who have NO FOOD to eat. RE-READ MY POST AGAIN AND THEN COMMENT.
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tosh_acer
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pOSAKOSA
What has writting in caps got to do with the point i am making. What has the family you come from got to do with what i wrote? and who says it is a big deal if you go holidaying abroad? I am confused!
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Tcrack
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There is this estate in ADIGBOLUJA area of lagos/ogun state. the houses in this estate can be compared to those in ikoyi and VI yet, the roads leading to the estate are IN A TERRIBLE CONDITION (you need to see the roads) .Instead of the landlords(who could afford such big house)to come together,contribute money and fix the roads, they wont.They keep appealing to governor Daniel.
its a two edged sword.
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SapeleGuy
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What does governance mean ?
The act of governing and administering. Add to that the processess of planning, implementation and performance review. Who are the stakeholders?
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posakosa (m)
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There is this estate in ADIGBOLUJA area of lagos/ogun state. the houses in this estate can be compared to those in ikoyi and VI yet, the roads leading to the estate are IN A TERRIBLE CONDITION (you need to see the roads) .Instead of the landlords(who could afford such big house)to come together,contribute money and fix the roads, they wont.They keep appealing to governor Daniel.
its a two edged sword.
GOOD Example: of STAKEHOLDERS. How do you serve our own interests ? and still serve the masses ?
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SapeleGuy
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ALL: This is a good debate don't spoil it with personal insults.
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OPCman
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What if it takes 20 years to change the current evil ideology in government (bearing in mind that country has been in steady decline since the mid 1980's), what are the people mean't to do in the mean time. wait for govt to change? or try and help themselves? Help themselves? How? I feel like coming back home and can you tell me how to help myself. To come back home, I need a generator to have constant electricity I need pipe borne water, I need gas not Kerosine or firewood to cook. I need two years rent for a decent flat I need a car to move about in search for business as public transport is not very reliable I need to pay my exorbitant re-charge cards to transact business. I don't need security guard as I will put my life in the hands of God I have approached the banks for loan and all the banker managers told me was that, I need collateral (land/property) which I haven't got. Now, please help. How can I help myself?
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ola_two
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NUZO AND KOBOJUNKIE HAS SAID IT ALL.  IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR US TO KEEP LIP SEALED FOR THE SAKE OF BEING PATRIOTIC. I ASK AGAING WHEN DID CRITICISM START CAUSING THE PROBLEM?,OR HOW IS IT your THIEVING BROTHERS WILL KNOW NIGERIANS PLIGHT IF WE KEEP  . I BET UU DONT KNOW WHAT REAL PORVERTY IS IN SOME AREAS IN NIGERIA. OR EVEN SEING HOW PEOPLE HAVE TO GO THROUGH HARDSHIP JUST TO GET EDUCATION. LOL
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posakosa (m)
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I won't say you're wrong but you speak of models/structure of certain aspects of government. governance is an attempt to " manage public resources in order to guarantee the realization of human rights of the masses" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_governance I don't think that any government has done this successfully. stakeholder is someone, organization, or business that affect or is affected by an organization's actions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StakeholderStakeholders in Nigeria 1. Business corporations 2. World Bank 3. Oil companies <legal and illegal> 4. Different governments around the world <China, U.S., Britain> 5. Individual Investors and much more
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posakosa (m)
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Help themselves? How? I feel like coming back home and can you tell me how to help myself. To come back home, I need a generator to have constant electricity I need pipe borne water, I need gas not Kerosine or firewood to cook. I need two years rent for a decent flat I need a car to move about in search for business as public transport is not very reliable I need to pay my exorbitant re-charge cards to transact business. I don't need security guard as I will put my life in the hands of God
I have approached the banks for loan and all the banker managers told me was that, I need collateral (land/property) which I haven't got.
Now, please help. How can I help myself?
Miniscule details THAT MATTER. Good questions. THANKS FOR MAKING IT PERSONAL cause some people just DON'T GET IT.
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posakosa (m)
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Pls READ my post carefully before responding to anything I've typed. THANK YOU! 
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SapeleGuy
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Help themselves? How? I feel like coming back home and can you tell me how to help myself[color=#990000]. First of all you need money, wherever you are in the world[/color] To come back home, I need a generator to have constant electricity Buy an inverter and a generator I need pipe borne water, I need gas not Kerosine or firewood to cook. Sink a bore hole or well I need two years rent for a decent flat Do you not pay rent/mortgage abroad? Do you not pay deposit? I need a car to move about in search for business as public transport is not very reliable Buy a car or are these free abroad I need to pay my exorbitant re-charge cards to transact business. Are mobile phone bills free abroad? I don't need security guard as I will put my life in the hands of God Okay
I have approached the banks for loan and all the banker managers told me was that, I need collateral (land/property) which I haven't got. All over the world, the banks are not lending. Have you tried microfinance or saving? In my experience quick money doesn't work out as planned
Now, please help. How can I help myself? Keep working and saving and 'do as your hand reach'
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posakosa (m)
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Sapele is NOT in Nigeria. Look at who is speaking. L O L
Bogus responses.
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rhymz (m)
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Nuzo,U guyz are the ones misconstruing the point,no one is supporting the government or denying that there are problems in Nigeria.People should realize that the so-called government comprises of everyone of us,the nigerians abroad commiting all sorts of crimes are also government,people in both private and public companies & parastatals are also government,teachers,engineers,ministers,public officers,bankers,doctors,farmers and even traders are all government coz every one of these professionals are in positions of leadership and influence,whatever they do affects the generality of nigeria and in effect the government, thesame ppl eventually find themselves in this so-called government.I mean,are these ppl in government not thesame nigerians like U and I? Our problem is us,pure and simple.U can stay outside and spit on Nigeria,kick it like U want,make Urself feel good by lambasting the leaders but that is all it is criticism,destructive one for that matter,u are part of the problem.If every nigerian has Nuzo or that other guy's mindset then Nigeria would ve been doomed. Like I will always say,'it's either U shape up or ship out'
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posakosa (m)
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No, people like NUZO <who have a realistic view of Nigeria> and people like the
poster NEED to come together to workout and find solutions for Nigeria. <with a mediator/neutral third party of course>  There is no right or wrong only difference in perception and views.
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SapeleGuy
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OPC & Posakosa - No food for lazy man, Nothing is free, whether at home or abroad.
Government is meant to create an enabling environment, the fact is they haven't. Keep waiting for them and see where it gets the people you claim to be advocating for. Stop encouraging dependency.
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posakosa (m)
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OPC & Posakosa - No food for lazy man, Nothing is free, whether at home or abroad.
Government is meant to create an enabling environment, the fact is they haven't. Keep waiting for them and see where it gets the people you claim to be advocating for. Stop encouraging dependency.
They haven't and they WILL. No one is advocating waiting for the government. Stop revealing what is in your dirty minuscule mind.
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rethink
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@OPCMAN
Help themselves? How? I feel like coming back home and can you tell me how to help myself. To come back home,
I need a generator to have constant electricity, There are other alternatives and since you are in a country that has power barges and co why dont you get it on credit. you can even start your own power companyI need pipe borne water, I need gas not Kerosine or firewood to cook. I need two years rent for a decent flat, You can rent a room, why, does everybody abroad live in Flats? I need a car to move about in search for business as public transport is not very reliable, You dont need that, you can use public transport and since you are abroad you can always get a tokunbo car I need to pay my exorbitant re-charge cards to transact business, No need just print business cards and hands bills besides there is VOIP I don't need security guard as I will put my life in the hands of God, In south Africa where there is alot of business and companies their lives is not in the hand of SATAN I have approached the banks for loan and all the banker managers told me was that, I need collateral (land/property) which I haven't got, That is a big lie banks when you sit with them with a good busines idea they can help you finance a project that can make the banks richer. One of the reason why our banks almost went dead is because they kept lending to Individuals and NOT IDEAS
Example
I have a business that can bring millions and billion to a bank but needs will power and reseacher the banks will loan you quick.
ok Let me just give you one practical exmple
You are a computer scientist and you know very well that people are very anornymous i.e people are not who they say they are to banks. So what do you do you can set up a Verifiable data company.
but you need
1) power 2) Super mega computers 3) Security 4) Scanner and other biodata equipments
You open centers where honest people will come and give there information so that if they want a loan or credit they can be given. The information gathered will be accessed by
1) Immigration 2) police 3) SSS 4) BANKS 5) cooperatives 6) Schools
All these would access for a fee
You dont need to Register the whole of Nigeria just a few thousand innitially. what will later happen is that the above named instituition will be asking for verifiable Data and you will be the source. So people will be forced to go on the data may this time for a token fee.
All the technology is outside where the diaspporeans but you need to do alot of travelling and research on this. I am not saying it will be perfect but I have imagined it but I need to be in nigeria and discuss with the scientist.
God bless Nigeria
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SapeleGuy
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They haven't and they WILL. No one is advocating waiting for the government. Stop revealing what is in your dirty minuscule mind.
I am totally honoured to be addressed with the greetings you reserve for your mother and father.
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agathamari (f)
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yes there are contries that are better and yes there are contries that are worse that isnt the issue. the issue is the people who stand on the street whining about why the government isnt doing things for them when some of it they can do themselves. the private sector has more power then the public (government) sector if people would get organised and be willing to put in the time and effort. start from the bottom, fix the little things first then work up to the larger issues just like other countries do both in africa and abroad.
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posakosa (m)
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yes there are contries that are better and yes there are contries that are worse that isnt the issue. the issue is the people who stand on the street whining about why the government isnt doing things for them when some of it they can do themselves. the private sector has more power then the public (government) sector if people would get organised and be willing to put in the time and effort. start from the bottom, fix the little things first then work up to the larger issues just like other countries do both in africa and abroad.
I think i've spoken with you about this issue before BUT what change means to different stakeholders in Nigeria is too VAST and different. This thread shows it, hence its hard to accomplish anything meaningful----everyone wants something different. <Tribes, religious leaders, business owners, madam bediako on the corner of the street, jobless university students> its just way too different.
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posakosa (m)
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Until there is a common definition on what it means to affect change <the cycle will ALWAYS continue> and people will always complain.
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df2006
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OPC & Posakosa - No food for lazy man, Nothing is free, whether at home or abroad.
Government is meant to create an enabling environment, the fact is they haven't. Keep waiting for them and see where it gets the people you claim to be advocating for. Stop encouraging dependency.
you of all people should not post this. it is a fact that people have stop waiting that is why they have taking up arms in the niger delta, it is a ball rolling if the status quo continues, nobody will come back home and the few remaining will take up arms to free themselves from the so called government.
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bibiking1
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Prejudice is the lazy man's way of thinking! Save for a few of the contributors on this post the greater part have kept that maxim true. One thing i find appalling is the ease with which we degenerate to petty insults thereby ignoring the main issue on ground. I like that little debate on good governance, and also the assumption that its a myth. Mo Ibrahim actually believed in its existence (of course in the African continent) until last year when it dawned on him that that phrase was quickly fading into the realm of mythology. Good governance has become a paper plane upon which our dreams are borne, nigeria has never known it and as such can only have a faint assumption of its characteristics. The absence of good governance has had an adverse ripple effect which is made more potent by our reticence. We can of course excel as individuals under this type of leadership, we can make ourselves wealthy, we can stop 'moaning' about the irregularities of our land, we can roll up our sleeves and work harder, we ca
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SapeleGuy
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They obviously didn't teach you any manners. Learn to be civil, otherwise you will continue to reap what you sow, treat everybody with respect.
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agathamari (f)
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I think i've spoken with you about this issue before BUT what change means to different stakeholders in Nigeria is too VAST and different. This thread shows it, hence its hard to accomplish anything meaningful----everyone wants something different. <Tribes, religious leaders, business owners, madam bediako on the corner of the street> its just way too different.
i just love how if a tree fell across the road in nigeria, people would stand there staring at it waiting for someone else to fixt the problem. complaining of why the government isnt doing anything to move it while in the us or uk or brazil or china or wherever, the neighborhood would get together and either push it to the side of the road or get out the axes and chainsaws and cut it up and then move it. nigeria needs to remeber that actions speak louder then words.
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bibiking1
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, can do all of this, BUT would it not amount to just a pyrrhic victory for that individual? Would we not be perpetuating the few wealthy many poor syndrome? Would we not by our further reticence compound the misery that has typified our existence since independence? We can collectively change the nigerian absurdity, good governance is not a myth! They want up to believe it is and accept the fallacy so that we stop questionin their treachery. However, i am certain that soon their blood shall water the tree of freedom
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princekevo (m)
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@OP Another pieces of trash from a coward Nigerian who thinks we should all fold our hands, close our eyes and watch things going the way it is in Nigerian or probably directly or indirectly benefiting from our corrupt leaders. Before you start blaming a child for his failure you have to first check the foundation giving to him by the parents. I don't jst wanna talk abt you comparing us to Uganda and Sir-re Leon is a waste of time, but how dare you compare Japanese and Chinese to Nigerians. How many Chinese or Japanese are studying in Nigeria jst to gain a better education? But we all run abroad to study overseas becoz there is no good educational system in Nigeria. How many Chinese or Japanese are hawking pure water on the street of china or Japan as it is Nigeria jst to make a living? How many graduates are roaming the street Nigeria without employment?
Do your know how many small scale business that could not breakeven jst becoz there is no constant light they depend solely on Gasoline Many companies are now relocating their business to Ghana, have you asked yourself why or would you also blame them for their failures in Nigeria? Stop deceiving yourself, the truth remains that foundation is what matters to the development of every nation and Nigerian Government has failed us in laying that foundation for us. You don't jst give birth to a child and expect him to be a great achiever when you laid less or no foundation for him. he will end up selling pure water on the street.
So the government should stand and live up to their responsibilities in creating opportunities for the citizen, then we can blame anyone that failed to make use of those opportunities. That is why we elected them, to put our resources together, manage them and turn them into opportunities for its citizens to make use of them. After all we can see even many developed country chasing their citizens with free education with all basic amenities in place and affordable yet the citizen don't wanna study, with job opportunities yet there are lazy to work. There you can blame the citizens for not making use of the opportunity giving to them. Not in Nigeria where one man prefer to pocket all the money for himself and the family, while the citizens the money is meant for can go to hell and rot. No body says the government should start sharing money to individuals( though our resource), but they should make effective use of it and transform them into opportunities to the citizens and not transferring it into their private accounts abroad, while nothing is being done. They already know all these and the solution to the problem so no one need to spell it out for them. You cant keep a shovel that belongs to someone jst for yourself, and ask him to make use his spoons in digging the ground. If i understand you write up well that is exactly what your are asking Nigerians to do.
The only thing i blames the citizens is letting these guys fool us for this long. Is not jst sitting down whining and complaining, is about time we rise up and claim back what belongs to us. We the youths know already what we want and how we want Nigeria to be. It is time we say NO to this corrupt drivers driving us to the wrong direction. They have failed us many times and will keep on failing us until we rise against.
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