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Deep Sight (m)
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@ deepsight. I think I can now say that the God u are trying to prove is the "God of the gaps"
Whatever science is yet to explain = God, or supernatural.
^^^ Hang on there! That's not fair at all! I have NEVER argued like that. This is not even about God. We are talking souls here. I said that emotions like love show that souls exist. The basis of my conclusion is that teh physical body cannot explain the cause of an emotion like love. So i reasoned that there must be something other than the physical at play. Bawomolo said no, neuroscience explains that. Within the context of my last post i demand that you both show me how neuroscience shows what causes emotions. Because i insist that it only shows the effects of such emotions in areas of the brain. |
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bawomolo (m)
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Nope, its not the physical brain alone: and i put you to the strictest proof thereof using neuroscience: go ahead! I am waiting.
yes it's the brain alone. studies have shown that men and women emitt certain scents when they are "horny". the human brain is responsible for our memory, sense of smell, imagination, and forgetful etc. drugs such as marijuana work by attaching themselves to nerves in the brain, thereby triggering certain emotions such as hunger (the munchies) and forgetfulness. This is more poignant when it comes to the realm of emotion, because you will only see electromagnetic evidence of emotions being felt, and never an electromagnetic cause of the emotions themselves. what you are making is the "assumption" and not proof that a soul is the responsible cause of emotion while I'd argue the cause of such emotions is stimuli from the brain and our nerves. When your skin is pricked, is it the soul that causes the release of emotion or the nerve endings at the point of contact? The unconscious/subconscious part of the brain is what generates emotions such as fear or even love. This comes from a rush of adrenaline. Our emotions are dependent on what has been previously stored in our brains. Hence the reason we have dreams about recent or past events in our life ( which some people to be God talking to them or a "winch" trying to attack them) . The subconscious doesn't have to be explained by a soul. Our brain does the work for us and neuroscience tries to explain to functioning of the brain. You might want to read up on neurobiology |
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Krayola (m)
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^^^ Hang on there! That's not fair at all! I have NEVER argued like that.
This is not even about God. We are talking souls here. I said that emotions like love show that souls exist. The basis of my conclusion is that teh physical body cannot explain the cause of an emotion like love. So i reasoned that there must be something other than the physical at play. Bawomolo said no, neuroscience explains that.
Within the context of my last post i demand that you both show me how neuroscience shows what causes emotions.
Because i insist that it only shows the effects of such emotions in areas of the brain.
It would be justified to make those claims if we knew EVERYTHING about how the human body functioned. WE DON'T. So when you say that because we cannot explain how exactly chemical processes become felt emotions, they come from the soul, it seems that u are conveniently filling in the gaps with the supernatural. Maybe I just don't understand the argument you are making. . . The unexplained singularity is God to you. The unexplained "source" of emotions is the soul to you. That is fine as a personal belief IMO, but they don't pass as proof as anything. |
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Deep Sight (m)
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yes it's the brain alone. studies have shown that men and women emitt certain scents when they are "horny".
I had a specific reason for choosing "Love" as my question. You will agree that love is significantly different from sexuality, which is a definite physical thing. what you are making is the "assumption" and not proof that a soul is the responsible cause of emotion while I'd argue the cause of such emotions is stimuli from the brain and our nerves. I make no assumption. I stated that if you can show me what part of the body love comes from, I will accept that non-physical parts do not exist. You seem to have missed the part where I talked about beauty. Because I see you here talking about stimuli. I had contended that if the brain truly responds to such stimuli such as to create love, then you will fall in love with every beautiful woman you see, yes? Because a beautiful woman is a stimulus, yes? And yet it is obvious that you do not fall in love with every beautiful woman you see, or even those your brain accepts as beautiful in your own sight. So can you tell me what causes you to fall in love? You are yet to answer this question, and I have just shown that it could not be just “stimuli” received by the brain, as you suggest.
Our emotions are dependent on what has been previously stored in our brains. Hence the reason we have dreams about recent or past events in our life ( which some people to be God talking to them or a "winch" trying to attack them)
. Really? And if this is so, what about dreams that reveal future events, details of which clearly could not have been stored in the memory (since they have not yet happened!). Or will you deny that people have detailed dreams about future events, which play out in reality in surprising detail? That has been the story of my own life since I was a child. Tell me in what part of my brain such details were stored. Thanks. |
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Deep Sight (m)
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It would be justified to make those claims if we knew EVERYTHING about how the human body functioned. WE DON'T.
I hope you realize here that YOU TOO have made an absolute assumption that everything resides in the physical body, and that once we discover everything about the body, then, we will see the source of emotions such as love. |
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Krayola (m)
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I never denied the possible existence of a soul. i said The water does not remain the the pot. It turns into steam. Death is not IMO a change of physical composition. . . It just means the system isn't working anymore.  I said everything I "believe" is tentative. I don't for the most part make any absolute statements. if i did i just wasn't thinking and got sloppy. YOu make your assertions like they are matter of fact and beyond reasonable doubt. that is why, IMO, rather than discussing your views, we just spend time debunking them. |
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Deep Sight (m)
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^^^ Hmmmm. . . thoughtful. . .
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agathamari (f)
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i had a philosophy teacher in school tell me that he believes we are all dead and this (earth/life) is purgatory. kind of a "unique" way to look at things. |
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bawomolo (m)
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Really? And if this is so, what about dreams that reveal future events but who says dreams or imaginations can't come true. does that mean there is a spirit behind the dream? I had a specific reason for choosing "Love" as my question. You will agree that love is significantly different from sexuality, which is a definite physical thing. I thought all functions of the body, whether physical or emotional are interconnection. Love is expressed through physical means which could include our "sexuality" . You are yet to answer this question, and I have just shown that it could not be just “stimuli” received by the brain, as you suggest. no you haven't, all you have made are assumptions of the workings of this thing called a soul which may or may not exist. I had contended that if the brain truly responds to such stimuli such as to create love, then you will fall in love with every beautiful woman you see, yes? nope being aroused by something doesn't mean or necessarily lead to being in love with something. You are making a lot of assumptions here. Or will you deny that people have detailed dreams about future events, which play out in reality in surprising detail? you live your life through your dreams. Some imaginations do come through, while others don't. It's just your mind "playing tricks on you" and not exactly a soul in particular. That's the power of man to predict things. Tell me in what part of my brain such details were stored. I really don't know. That won't be bad for some research. |
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Deep Sight (m)
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Love is expressed through physical means which could include our "sexuality" .
nope being aroused by something doesn't mean or necessarily lead to being in love with something. You are making a lot of assumptions here.
BAWO: I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THE GLARING CONTRADICTION IN THESE TWO QUOTES EXTRACTED FROM YOUR LAST POST. |
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viaro
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^^^He may not see any contradictions there; and yes, it could be argued either way that there is a coherence between both quotes. That is not to say I agree with him, as in the way he scuttles round your questions without actually addressing the substance in them. Take this as an example: Really? And if this is so, what about dreams that reveal future events but who says dreams or imaginations can't come true. does that mean there is a spirit behind the dream? @bawomolo, I'm afraid your answer was a copout and beggars the substance of your arguments. No one would be so confused about Deep Sight's question: he did not ask anything about whether or not anyone was saying that dreams or imaginations can't come true - that is way off the bridge, dude! Let me try and get this in a neat package: (a) bawo, this was your claim: "Our emotions are dependent on what has been previously stored in our brains. Hence the reason we have dreams about recent or past events in our life ( which some people to be God talking to them or a "winch" trying to attack them)" (b) whereupon Deep Sight observed this: Really? And if this is so, what about dreams that reveal future events, details of which clearly could not have been stored in the memory (since they have not yet happened!). Or will you deny that people have detailed dreams about future events, which play out in reality in surprising detail? That has been the story of my own life since I was a child. Tell me in what part of my brain such details were stored. Now bawo. . you quipped on conveniently about dreams of the PAST, as if that was sufficient to wrap this whole stuff for you. But Deep Sight was on about dreams revealing the FUTURE - which clearly are NOT stored in the brain! If you believed that the functions of the brain on dreams are a matter of what is stored there, please explain events that occur in the future after those dreams. Better still, you may please wish to tell us . . - "what part of the brain" such details are 'stored' while they are waiting to happen in the future; - "how they are stored" in that part of the brain - where the science of neurology has come up to decode the information stored in that part of the brain for such detailed events of the future before they happen Anyone can just make up fanciful jargon about neurological science doing this and that and amazingly screwed cacophony that wow gullible audiences. We should not just lick the hands and kiss the boots of any neurologist (however celebrated) who claims he's figured out these things - he HAS NOT! This is why when you bring up these silly tales about what neurology has done to explain the workings of the brain in matters of abstract realities, you will be put on spot with very simple questions that will throw your arguments in the bin. |
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Krayola (m)
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What is a soul?
Can anyone demonstrate that one exists?
Can someone please explain why and how emotions come from the soul?
Does the soul need a brain to think? does it have body parts? what is it, what is it's purpose, and how does it exist independent of the physical body?
I had a serious pain in my chest a lil while ago and I went to the ER. . .i did an x-ray and a CT scan and they found nothing wrong. Was the pain in my soul because it couldn't be explained?
I've had thousands of dreams in my lifetime. . .maybe 2 or 3 have ever come true. In my opinion, it's coincidence. I do not believe ANYONE can predict the future.
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viaro
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^^^Hey Krayo my man! Howdy, dude?  I think those are very good questions that we all as 'apprentice philosophers' (and any amateur metaphysicist??) should take time to tackle. I would not shy away, and in due course will post my thoughts about them. |
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VALIDATOR
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Interesting posts. Keep em coming guys.
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